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Dáil Éireann debate -
Friday, 13 Dec 1991

Vol. 414 No. 7

Supplementary Estimates, 1991. - Vote 26: Office of the Minister for Education.

I move:

That a supplementary sum not exceeding £1,000 be granted to defray the charge which will come in course of payment during the year ending on the 31st day of December, 1991, for the salaries and expenses of the Office of the Minister for Education, for certain services administered by that Office, and for payment of certain grants and grants-in-aid.

I am seeking the approval of the House for a token Supplementary Estimate of £1,000 to enable a grant-in-aid of £250,000 to be paid to Dublin Zoo. This payment will enable the zoo to address the problems arising from its present level of overdraft and the further deficit it will be incurring in the unfavourable months ahead for attendances at the zoo.

Arising from the report of the committee set up by Government to examine the future operation of the zoo certain proposals are at present before the Government and I would expect to be in a position to announce the outcome of the Government's deliberations in the not too distant future.

Dublin Zoo plays an important role in the social and cultural life of this city and in the country as a whole. There would, I feel, be a high level of interest in the country in seeing the problems of the zoo resolved and to have it operating on a satisfactory financial basis once more. In the meantime the payment of the £250,000 to the zoo, for which I am now seeking approval, is necessary to enable it to cope with its present financial difficulties.

The provision for the zoo will be offset by savings under subhead B.9 — Grants for the Provision of Recreational Facilities. The savings have arisen because construction activity on outstanding projects did not progress as was originally anticipated.

I want to assure the House that grants will be paid as soon as these projects reach the stages when they become eligible for grant payments.

In the very limited time available to me I would like to thank the Minister for introducing this very welcome Supplementary Estimate and I support it. The zoo has at present overdraft facilities from the bank for £150,000. This money will be used up in the next two weeks and the bank was unwilling to grant them additional overdraft facilities without this indication of Government support today. Because of the crisis facing the zoo this Supplementary Estimate is both opportune and welcome. However, it is only a temporary measure. We need a clearcut policy from the Government to ensure the future of our zoo. This policy should be accompanied by realistic funding in order to ensure that this great national asset is preserved.

The Government appointed a zoo committee in 1989 under Mr. Mick Doyle which reported to the Minister for Education in July 1990. I appeal to the Government to accept the recommendations proposed by the zoo committee, including the recommendation to establish a new State company to take over the zoo. Immediate funding of at least £5 million and extra land in the Phoenix Park should be provided as a matter of urgency. The zoo has 30 acres out of roughly 2,000 acres in the Phoenix Park and of that 30 acres ten are covered by water. The zoo covers only a very small section of the Phoenix Park. Because of the genuine concern of a number of people I would ask the Government to introduce new animal legislation to monitor the welfare of the zoo animals and to deal with the granting or refusal of zoo licences. We should build a national aquarium in Dublin Zoo and serious consideration should be given to the possibility of a partnership between the Government and private enterprise with regard to the zoo.

As is well known, Dublin Zoo is one of the oldest zoos in the world, having opened to the public in 1830. It is generally acknowledged to be one of the most beautiful of national zoos because of its location in extensive parkland and its being landscaped around a central lake. It also enjoys the great advantage of being conveniently available to a major populated city. Because of its location in the capital city it is relatively easy for people from all over Ireland to have access to the zoo. It has been visited by 5,133,723 people over the last ten years and by 886,341 people over the last two years.

As the national zoo, it has today, and will have over the next fifty years, a role to play that was never envisaged when the zoo was founded in 1830. From the point of view of education the zoo has major potential. During a visit to the zoo both adults and children are introduced to exotic and some native species which they can easily view and associate with.

The education officer at Dublin Zoo has developed an education programme which is targeted at school children, particularly primary school children, but which also covers secondary schools and third level institutions and of course all the visitors to the zoo. This education programme is aimed at stimulating an interest in the animal kingdom and in global conservation issues and at disseminating information which will make the visitor more conscious of the threat that all animals are under if the rate of destruction of habitat all over the world continues at its present rate.

With regard to conservation, the rate of habitat destruction is so great that it is estimated that one-third of all known species — plant and animals — will be extinct by the end of the century.

Conservation is about safeguarding as far as possible the continuity of the genetic diversity of all species. No assurances can be given on the survival of many species as their habitat is under threat. Many species are doing extremely badly in the wild even though they are protected internationally and have special reserves set aside for them in their natural habitat.

The number of animals that are in danger of becoming extinct increases every year. There is an international scientific community supported by Governments in Europe, North America and many other parts of the world which has developed a sophisticated framework for the protection of species on a global basis. Dublin Zoo at present plays a role in this and we have many animals from zoos all over the world in Dublin on breeding loan — for example gorillas, orangutans, white rhinoceros, snow leopards and so on. Dublin Zoo also has many animals abroad on breeding loan.

The existence of this framework is a measure of the experience of the scientific zoo community on the inadequacies of relying on the survival of species in the wild and on the advantage, from a conservation point of view, of having a body of knowledge on husbandry of the endangered species worldwide to ensure their chance of long term survival.

The zoo is also a major tourist attraction and a recreation and general amenity attraction. Dublin Zoo at present is looked on by many people as an old zoo, where transition and improvement is necessary and desirable, but it requires investment and resources which Dublin Zoo cannot generate by its own efforts. Most zoos in Europe and North America are supported by public funds and this has resulted in better facilities in their zoos. Belfast Zoo, for example, gets an annual maintenance grant of £500,000 together with all its capital costs and tens of millions of pounds have been spent developing the Belfast Zoo in recent years.

I hesitate to interrupt the Deputy but I must ask him to bring his remarks to a close.

Following the receipt of a grant of £670,000, for the first time in many years, a number of significant improvements have been made in the level of maintenance, appearance and in improved facilities for a number of the animals kept in the zoo.

I again appeal to the Minister to adopt the recommendations of the report immediately as this is a great national asset which we must preserve.

To attempt to deal with the fundamental problems in the zoo through this Supplementary Estimate is deplorable. The problems have been there for a number of years. I was a member of an ad hoc committee which had reason to visit the zoo when the elephant “Judy” was seen by the public to be in distress. The elephant eventually had to be put down. As a lay person it was obvious to me that the facilities for elephants, particularly the outside facilities, were totally inadequate. The zoo committee report clearly outlined that.

The committee was set up by the Government in 1989 and still the report has not been published and made generally available to the public. That shows a lack of commitment by the Government to the future of the zoo and its animals. The report recommended an injection of £5 million into the zoo, yet the report has not been put before us for consideration so that the sum could be considered in the Estimates. It seems that there will not be any real financial commitment in order to implement the improvements required in the zoo.

The Labour Party want a restructured zoo with animal welfare being the priority. There should be greater control over operations in the zoo. This report has been on the desk of the Minister, admittedly not this Minister, for the last 18 months and it suggests that fundamental changes can be made, with certain improvements. The report clearly states that some areas are satisfactory, some require modification and some require major improvements. The report says that unless these improvements are made the areas in question should be closed down.

I am sorry to interrupt Deputy Ryan but his time is well nigh exhausted.

I regret that we have no opportunity to discuss this fundamental report which is vital to the proper operation of the zoo. I would ask the Minister to put the report before this House and let this House discuss it to see what is required so that the zoo can meet the requirements of the modern day and do justice to this country and this House.

I know the Minister is new on the job, but I am very disappointed with his brief comment. A very substantial report was issued by Mr. Mick Doyle 18 months ago. I do not know if the Minister has got around to reading it. It is surprising that he has not said whether he agrees with the thrust of it. It is amazing that this report has not been published after 18 months although it is circulating and anybody can get hold of it. Because it has not been officially published there can be no public debate on the contents of this major report. It is a very fine report and I would agree with many if not all, of its recommendations. It points out that Dublin zoo's funding is totally inadequate and the consequent lack of facilities has caused distress particularly to the larger animals in the zoo over recent years.

Even before the report was issued the zoo had been looking for land, specifically, the President's lake. I wrote to the previous President, President Hillery a couple of years ago in regard to this lake and the surrounding land, approximately 25 acres, to see if it could be made available to the zoo because it would be a tremendous facility and a wonderful entrance to áras an Uachtaráin with the wildlife element on one side.

The Office of Public Works are reluctant to give up portions of land in the park. They are very protective of the public lands of the park where people can wander about, and I can understand that. I would ask the Minister to look at their recommendations which are probably a bit drastic. Also, the Dublin public are reluctant to see the old polo grounds going. It is the only place where people can walk in and see a polo match free which other people can only see on television.

Ashtown Castle, which was the residence of Alibrandi, the Papal Nuncio above áras an Uachtaráin has been refurbished by the Office of Public Works. That is a very fine place for a wildlife park. It has the old moat around it, as áras an Uachtaráin has, and so would be easily protected. It will be open from January 1992 and will be a major tourist attraction. It would be marvellous to have giraffes and other animals on each side as one went in, just as in Fota. It was never open to the public before, so it would not be an intrusion on the Office of Public Works desire to keep the park open to the public.

I would ask the Minister to consider this and the other recommendations of the report. No previous Minister for Education has had the slightest interest in Dublin zoo, they did not want to know about it. They had little enough to spend in their own Department without providing money for Dublin zoo.

I think the zoo should be taken from the Department of Education. I do not know if I would fully support the idea of a separate State company as recommended in Mr. Doyle's report but maybe the Office of Public Works could take it over as part of the park — they have wildlife parks in other areas of the country. I certainly think it should be taken over by somebody with a specific interest in keeping the zoo open with ample space for animals.

I was in Amsterdam zoo two months ago and I can say that their facilities in the elephant house were no better, in fact they were much worse, than the existing facilities in Dublin Zoo. Dublin Zoo is not that much worse than other zoos. I would say to those who want Dublin Zoo closed that there are worse areas of entrapment of animals in major piggeries and cattle fattening stations where animals are all held in captivity while they are being fattened up for slaughter. The zoo is a major resource both for Dublin and nationally and is also a major scientific area. I would urge the Minister to have the report published. I am not sure what proposals are before the Government but I would hope they are in line with the recommendations here and that there will be definite funding, restructuring and a new zoo.

First, I agree completely with what Deputies Ryan and Mac Giolla say about the non-publication of this report. It is an absolute scandal and indicates there is no proper freedom of information in this country. Of course, everyone has the report and it has just become a joke. For some reason — stubbornness, I suppose — the Government have decided not to publish it. I cannot blame the present Minister for this impasse. I am sure he is a fair-minded man and will see the absolute absurdity of refusing to officially publish this report.

On behalf of the Green Party, Comhaontas Glas, I want to say that we are opposing this Estimate. There are so many issues to cover in such a short time. The first thing that is so unsatisfactory about it is that it is just a continuation of "ad hocery". This is the fourth time that the zoo have had to come cap in hand to the Government. In fairness to the zoo they want some new permanent arrangements made. They want a State company set up. This should be done, and if we need legislation, let us get it through the House quickly. We have had plenty of rushed legislation through the House, so let us rush this one through. It should be fairly simple. It would get the zoo on a proper basis even if it is only to phase it out in a way that will take into consideration the needs of the animals.

I agree also with Deputy Mac Giolla that the zoo should be taken out of the ambit of the Department of Education. It clearly does not belong there. The fact that it is there, illustrates that there is no legislation covering the welfare of animals in zoos. Clearly legislation is needed in that area. It is most unsatisfactory that taxpayers' money is given to any private concern without any accountability.

The other Deputies in the House are broadly supportive of the principle of zoos. That is where I would fundamentally disagree with them. We have to see zoos basically as animal prisons. Animals are kept without their consent to gratify us. It may have been educational 50 or 60 years ago but nowadays it is no longer educational. There is no serious educational input at all, so let us put that one to rest. If children or adults want to study wild animals they have plenty of opportunities to watch television and films and read illustrated books which were not available to people when zoos were started up. The zoo of the future will be opening in Leicester in 1995. It will be an animalless zoo which would seem a very peculiar concept. It will have a whole series of videos and examples of wildlife habitat. That is the road we should be going down.

Together with Deputy Ryan, I was involved in a small ad hoc group of Dáil Deputies who visit the zoo from time to time, and like Deputy Ryan, I am very concerned about the condition of the large animals in particular. The recent history of Dublin Zoo with regard to the elephants is very disturbing. There has been tremendous cruelty — unintentional, no doubt — and two of the elephants had to be put down recently. In addition, one of the polar bear cubs was eaten by its father. This is a clear indication that the Dublin Zoo authorities are not capable of looking after large wild animals. We will not solve the problem by giving them more money.

I am sorry to interrupt the Deputy, but his time is well nigh exhausted.

Zoos are definitely on the way out. Is this going to be the last city in the world where they are phased out? I hope not.

Vote put and declared carried.
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