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Dáil Éireann debate -
Wednesday, 26 Feb 1992

Vol. 416 No. 3

Local Government (Planning and Development) Bill, 1991: Second Stage (Resumed).

Question again proposed: "That the Bill be now read a Second Time."

Last evening, before I adjourned the debate, I was referring to the question of accountability in relation to An Bord Pleanála. Before An Bord Pleanála were established, the Minister for Local Government was the appeals authority. No matter what decision he made, at least he had to go before the people to seek re-election to this House. For what I think were good reasons An Bord Pleanála were then set up. However the Minister for the Environment retained discretion to ask An Bord Pleanála to hold oral hearings. I am disappointed we have moved away from that provision during the past few years and that it is now proposed that, under section 12 of the Bill, the board will have sole discretion to hold an oral hearing.

An oral hearing forms a very important aspect of our planning procedures because the public are given an opportunity to make representations to the board. As a member of a local authority, I have attended many oral hearings. I should say that great credit is due to the board for the way in which they hold these hearings. Very often the developer is represented by senior or junior counsel who has extraordinary expertise in relation to the planning procedures, while local community representatives make the case for the community. The inspectorate who preside over these hearings on behalf of the board give every assistance to these local community representatives in making their case. I wish to acknowledge that now.

On Second Stage we are asked to comment on the contents of the Bill, or on issues that we feel should be addressed in the Bill. This morning I would like to address an issue which I feel should be addressed in the Bill. The local authorities are required to draw up a development plan every five years. They have to go through a detailed procedure before this is achieved. Following long and detailed discussions with their planning committee a draft development plan is put on display for three months in order that the public may view it and make their views known. These are then considered and an amended draft development plan is put on display for a period of one month. Following this the development plan is initiated.

If a developer submits a planning application to build a housing estate on land which has been zoned "amenity" or "open space" this would amount to a material contravention and if the local authority wish to consider this application they would have to initiate the material contravention process whereby an advertisement is put in the newspapers for at least one month to inform the public that such an application has been received and any objections received are considered. Under new legislation three-quarters of the council would have to agree to the material contravention. It is most unlikely, however, that a local authority would consider using this procedure if land had been zoned "amenity" and the manager would have to refuse the planning application.

The applicant could then appeal the decision of the local authority to An Bord Pleanála who, without holding an oral hearing or going through any procedure under this legislation, would be able to make a decision which runs contrary to the development plan of the local authority. It is only reasonable in a planning Bill of this nature that An Bord Pleanála should be required to go through the same procedure that the local authority are required to go through in relation to a material contravention of the development plan of the local authority. I also believe that if they make a decision which runs contrary to the development plan they should outline to the local authority the reasons they made that decision. Other speakers have said that An Bord Pleanála should be required to explain all their decisions to the local authority but I would not go that far; in cases where they make a decision which runs contrary to the local authority's development plan they should be required to make their reasons known to the local authority.

On each occasion the board hear an appeal, which involves a material contravention of a development plan, an oral hearing should be held. Such a provision should be included in the Bill. That is one of the weaknesses of our planning procedures.

Under section 6 a local authority will be required to respond to a request from An Bord Pleanála, with the documentation requested, within 14 days. As the planning Authority may find it difficult to comply with this request from An Bord Pleanála within the 14 days specified, I suggest that this period should run from the date the request is received by the planning Authority.

In relation to section 7, a request from An Bord Pleanála for observations on the grounds of an appeal can be misdirected if deliveries are delayed for a variety of reasons. I suggest, therefore, that the time limit should run from the date the request is received by the planning Authority.

Under this Bill the Minister for the Environment will be allowed to make regulations. Under section 18 (2) (c) the Minister may make regulations under which the board may invite an applicant to submit to the board revised plans or other drawings modifying the development to which the appeal relates. Under this section also the board will be enabled to grant permission in respect of the modified development.

A number of problems could arise in relation to this matter. I suggest that because such cases have given rise to difficulties for the planning Authority and other parties in making considered comment, there is a need to write into the Bill a requirement that any material submitted by the applicant should be circulated to all the parties involved to allow them make a considered comment on it.

Dublin Corporation, of which I am a member — I am also chairman of their planning committee — find it difficult to issue planning decisions within two months of the date an application is received. Up to some years ago this requirement was satisfied by sending a decision by registered post or by hand within two months. However, the High Court decided in the Freeney case that the decision must be received by the applicant within two months. Unfortunately, the planning Authority have no control over the matter once their decision has been handed over to the care of An Post. In addition, an applicant may not be present at the address to receive it. I strongly recommend, therefore, that the Bill should be amended to state specifically that it would be sufficient to issue a decision by registered post or to deliver it by hand within two months of the date an application is received. These are changes which I would like to see made in the Bill.

This is good legislation; the local authority now have to make a decision within two months and An Bord Pleanála will have to make a decision within four months. That is a reasonable request to make of the board and it will speed up important decisions in relation to development and employment. I hope the board will be able to comply with the four months period and speed up the planning appeals decisions.

The Planning and Development Act, 1963, represented a major departure in local government. It set down new challenges to local authorities and to their members. However, these challenges have at best been inadequately addressed. The Act has never operated to its full potential, it has been subject over the years to change, some of which I welcome. Nevertheless there is a need to look at the totality of the Act and the dual purposes which the Act was intended to address.

The Act was important for a number of reasons; two particular reasons spring to mind. First, it marked a major departure from the approach adopted to local government by successive Administrations. From the foundation of the State the trend has been and, as can be seen in the recently published Barrington proposals, continues to be in favour of greater centralisation of local government. Through the twenties, thirties and forties increasingly the tendency was to remove smaller units of local government and to increase the controls on the fewer number of local authorities which remained. This centralist tendency is evident throughout the history of the State. There are, of course, reasons put forward for these changes, economies of scale, greater efficiencies and the potential to limit corruption, or at least the curtailment of the opportunities for corruption in so far as members of local authorities were concerned.

The second reason the Planning and Development Act is important is that not only did it reverse that trend, it gave a new and positive role to local authorities. It charged the planning authorities identified in the Act with planning for development and the emphasis in virtually every discussion on the Planning and Development Act has been the planning control aspects of the legislation rather than planning for development. It is because I believe that the proposals in the Bill will help to reorient the planning process that I particularly welcome them. Incidentally, I should have said at the outset that I congratulate my good friend, Deputy Smith, on assuming the office of the Minister for the Environment. I wish him well and if this legislation is a foretaste of things to come, we have every reason to be confident that the Minister will make a worthwhile contribution to his office as he did previously in the Department of Energy.

The central purpose of a planning Bill, the planning of rational and well ordered development, is a point which has been lost sight of and, as a result, there have been chaotic consequences in the planning area. The Bill before us is welcome because it addresses some of the potential areas of chaos. The basic Act requires, as Members know, each county council, corporation, county borough, borough corporation and urban district council planning authority to draw up a development plan for their areas and to revise it at regular intervals. The aim of the development plan is twofold; first to control all significant physical development and at the same time to provide a blueprint within a geographical area for all future development. It is the first element which continuously receives attention and emphasis. The sterilisation of worthwhile development was never intended to be a part of the planning process yet, all too often, that is the effect of the current looseness in the central legislation.

Before dealing with specific elements in the new Bill, I wish to briefly address another point. The basic Act went further; it gave for the first time statutory recognition to the development role which could be played by local authorities who were encouraged at that time to become development corporations. Uniquely in the drafting of their development plan they were given a free hand and the plans were not subject to central control or adjudication. In addition to preparing a development plan and implementing planning control, the Act enabled the same planning authorities to become involved in urban renewal, to facilitate industrial and commercial development by providing sites, to contribute to training and research, to enforce control, to enter into agreements with land owners for joint developments and to support forced development of sites which had lain fallow, to assist bodies and persons to provide amenities and to make a wide range of amenity orders. They are just a small sample of the positive side to the Planning and Development Act which are largely ignored. In short, the Act provides not just for local authorities to act as planning control agencies, it provides a much more positive role for local authorities to plan for developments in the interests of the whole community.

To be fair, there are examples all over the country where local authorities act as "motors" for development. In my constituency we have many fine examples. In Bray there is very imaginative use of the council's planning role in an urban designation granted by the former Minister for the Environment, Deputy Flynn, which I welcomed at the time. The two have come together with the developer and the town hall, a fine building, has been effectively rebuilt. A new commercial hub for the town is being created.

The urban district council, Wicklow County Council, and the IDA have cooperated in the development of lands on the outskirts of Bray for industrial use. It is another good example of local authorities using the powers under the Act to operate as the "motor" for positive development.

While there are examples of the Act being positively used there are, unfortunately, many more examples where it is not being used positively, where rights conferred in the Act have been used to stymie development. On occasion they have been used to defeat worthwhile development which would have given jobs and helped to develop areas in a very positive way. One of the most spectacular examples of this in my area was the rejection of proposals to site a specific plant, the Sebulite factory, in an empty factory building in Kilcoole, County Wicklow. I refer to this case because it illustrates the importance of some of the specific proposals introduced in the Bill. The example which I gave is a case study in how things should not be done. For reasons which I will never understand, the development authority, the county council and the IDA failed, in spite of urgings from myself and other public representatives, to be open with the local community and to take the people of the village into their confidence. In this regard I acknowledge the role played by Deputy Kavanagh in support of my case.

As a result of failure to be open in the planning process, extraordinary exaggerated stories were circulated as to the dangers associated with the proposed development, and they took root. People who were positive in regard to the creation of jobs were convinced that the environmental and health costs of the development would be far too high. Faced with a High Court challenge the promoters decided that this would delay the project for two years and they pulled out. There is no doubt in my mind that the approach adopted in this case by the planning authority, the IDA and a small group of people turned something which could have been positive into something divisive and negative. There is equally no doubt in my mind that in this case a major foreign multinational company. 3M, which had previously frustrated the efforts of the same company, Sebulite, to locate in a County Kildare location, or one of their local representatives cleverly manipulated opinion and abused the very openness of Irish planning law to stymie an effective and potential competitor. Under the law as it stands no doubt this was not the first time this happened. I have no doubt that the law without amendment would be abused in this way on many further occasions.

Given the effective degeneration of planning which can be seen all over the country, the changes proposed in this Bill are particularly welcome. As the Minister said, the preliminary purpose of the Bill is to streamline and speed up the planning appeals system so that An Bord Pleanála will be able to determine the vast majority of appeals within four months. I believe every Member of the House welcomes this proposal. It is fundamentally wrong that planning appeals should be allowed to drag on for interminable periods, frustrating the community, developers and citizens who have a right to their view. Justice delayed is justice denied. The proposal to introduce a four month period for the hearing of appeals is welcomed by everyone. I suggest to the Minister that this aspect be closely monitored and, if necessary, supported by a specific requirement in later legislation. I will come back to this point later.

The Bill also proposes the establishment of new procedural arrangements for legal actions challenging the validity of a planning decision. The aim of this is to facilitate speedy determination of such actions. This proposal is particularly welcome as it will prevent our courts being used as a means of stopping development. We all accept the need for effective development control systems. The development control process must subject development proposals to detailed examination to ensure that they match up to the exacting standards which Irish people rightly demand nowadays. However, at the same time it is very important that the system of planning and planning control should be able to give conclusive decisions to citizens' proposals for development within a reasonable timescale. If it takes too long to reach a final decision worthwhile projects can be abandoned and imaginative developments stymied.

It should also be borne in mind that in many cases this country is competing with other countries for internationally mobile projects. Any view abroad that our planning system is inefficient or that it takes too long to give a decision could well influence companies to go elsewhere. In the case of the Sebulite plant in Kilcoole to which I referred, it is interesting to note that after a protracted planning period and threats of High Court action, which would have held up the development for another 18 months or two years, that corporation moved to Newry in County Down and within three weeks had received all of the necessary permits and permissions to go ahead with the development. The village of Kilcoole and north County Wicklow lost 250 jobs directly as a result of this. When one considers the mobility of international investment and the competition for this type of investment I have no doubt that this case will be cited by planning authorities and development agencies in other states to illustrate how difficult it is to set up in Ireland. I do not want to see dirty industry here but equally I do not want to see Ireland as a whole and, in particular, County Wicklow, being identified in the international mind or the business community mind as a no go area for development. We need jobs. We do not need jobs at any cost; we need clean jobs. It is frustrating in the extreme for anyone interested in employment to see how the planning process was abused in this case.

Delays in the planning appeals stage are a frustration we all recognise. The main problem currently confronting the development control process under the planning Acts is the time it takes An Bord Pleanála to determine planning appeals. Although there has been some improvement in this respect in the recent past the time taken to decide individual cases still cannot be viewed as satisfactory. A number of elements of the planning system seem to contribute and exacerbate the delays. There is no obligation at present on an appellant to submit the grounds of appeal when appealing thus putting the onus on the board to request submission of the grounds for that appeal. This is a ridiculous situation in law. I know of the multi-million pound development which was stymied by a one line letter handed into an Bord Pleanála one hour before the time for appeal expired. The writer of that letter said he would make known the basis of his opposition at a future date. In fact, the writer of that letter, and supporting letters which were submitted after the planning appeal period had expired, never indicated the specific basis of their objection. Nonetheless the development was stymied and, as a consequence, jobs were lost.

The second point which causes frustration is that appeals will typically involve the board in circulating a lengthy series of submissions and counter-submissions between the parties. Anyone who takes an interest in planning accepts that this process borders on the farcical with views, counter-views rebuttals and counter-rebuttals going backwards and forwards interminably. It is only right and proper that this ping pong or table tennis game, so to speak, should be stopped.

The third factor which causes delays is that a party to an appeal could make a further submission when the board's consideration of the appeal is well advanced. The board might then have to circulate this submission to other parties, effectively creating a chain reaction of views, counter-views, assertions and counter-assertions. The termination of an appeal can also be delayed when a request is made to the board at a very late stage for an oral hearing. It is ridiculous that in effect people can come in at the eleventh hour or 59th minute and start to change the rules, move the goal posts and demand an oral hearing. Very frequently this is done by people who do not necessarily have a positive reason for their actions.

I am not one of those who like to tar everybody who makes an appeal with the brush of obstructionism. Of course that is not the case. The vast majority of people who use the planning and appeal processes are citizens exercising their bona fide rights. Unfortunately in a significant minority of cases this is not the truth. The reality is that the circumstances have to be changed. The Minister is doing this in an imaginative way in this Bill.

The Bill proposes to speed up the determination of appeals by placing clear time limits on the various stages of the appeals process. I welcome this proposal. The Bill will help to define clearly the rights and duties of participants in appeals concerning submissions to An Bord Pleanála. I also welcome this proposal. These changes will enable the board to decide the bulk of appeals within the four month period, and section 2 will establish a legal objective for them to do so.

It is, of course, important to ensure that there is a balance between speed and the preservation of existing rights. This balance is struck in the Bill. The Irish planning appeals system is very open and democratic and any person can make an appeal to An Bord Pleanála against a planning authority's decision. This position will not be changed significantly — indeed, it may not be changed at all — in the Bill which seeks only to ensure that effective procedures are put in place for dealing with appeals.

However, I question the openness of Irish planning law. A German or Japanese tourist travelling across Ireland for the first and possibly last time in their lives may see an attractive area which he believes is worth preserving. He may then be told in the local pub that a planning appeal has been submitted in relation to that area. He can become a party to the planning appeal without showing any interest in it. I wonder if a balance is struck by such openness.

Is it not time that we considered how the system operates in other jurisdictions? For example, in other EC countries is there a requirement that people show an interest in a development before they can become involved in the planning appeals process? The Bill introduces new requirements concerning appeals. Under section 4 an appellant would have to set out the grounds for appeal and unless that is done the appeal will be invalid. This is a very important provision and I welcome it. It will return a degree of justice to the planning process which has been lacking in recent years. These new provisions will put no imposition on objectors, rather they will help to level the playing field.

The rights of other parties are also dealt with in the Bill. It is fundamental to the proper discharge of the board's role that they take account of the views of all parties to an appeal. Section 7 ensures that the other parties will have a fair opportunity to state their case by requiring the board to send them a copy of an appeal and by allowing them a month to make their submissions. This period will allow a comprehensive response to the appeal and will ensure that the board are fully appraised of the views of parties when making their final decision. This is reasonable. Some criticism has been levelled on these aspects of the Bill, but I cannot understand the basis of such criticism.

There is an important set of safeguards in section 9 which should commend themselves to all Members. The proposals ensure that appellants and other parties will have a fair opportunity of making their case to the board. However, it is possible to foresee circumstances, perhaps in the case of a particularly complex planning appeal, where the board might consider it necessary to ask a participant in an appeal to make further submissions by way of clarification of the issues. Section 9 proposes that the board request further submissions where they consider it appropriate and that this be done in the interests of justice. That is a fair and reasonable provision. Those people who fear that the timetable being introduced in the Bill may in some way prevent the fullest exposition of all arguments should realise that this provision ensures that the board approach the issue in a reasonable, rational and just way. It is an important provision and has a great deal to commend it.

The provisions dealing with oral hearings are particularly important. Section 12 proposes that any request for an oral hearing of an appeal will have to be made at the outset of the appeals process. I think everybody would agree that this is a fair and reasonable proposal. It seems to be a very sensible provision which will overcome the problems posed for the board and for citizens who wish to get involved in bona fide developments where a request for an oral hearing is received when consideration of the appeal is almost complete. The position under the current law is intolerable and needs to be addressed. This provision may, of course, have the effect of encouraging all objectors to ask for an oral hearing. However the requirement that fees be lodged may operate as a deterrent to any overdue enthusiasm for oral hearings. The point made by the last Fine Gael speaker about the determination of hearings being left solely to the discretion of An Bord Pleanála is a sensible one. There should be no ministerial involvement in that area.

The board's objectives for determining appeals is also dealt with in the Bill. Given the new procedures proposed in the Bill it seems quite feasible for the board to determine all but the most exceptional planning cases within a four month period. The approach in the Bill to setting a four month time limit for decisions is sensible and practical and will be welcomed by all interested in rational development. It is important that this matter be kept under review to ensure that there is no slippage. If a slippage occurs in the future the Minister should quickly intervene to ensure that we do not go back to the bad old days.

The Bill's provisions as far as legal proceedings are concerned are particularly important. I welcome the provisions dealing with legal challenges to the validity of decisions in the planning process by planning authorities or by An Bord Pleanála. They will not interfere with citizens rights of access to the courts but will facilitate the expeditious determination of any court case. This should ensure that a citizen wishing to undertake a permitted development can do so within a reasonable timescale where legal actions arise. The courts have a role to play here in that they should not permit threatened court actions to frustrate a citizen's right in vexatious cases. I do not wish to delay the House but I could instance cases where, to my knowledge, rich and powerful individuals have intervened, threatened court action and gone as far as issuing proceedings simply to frustrate positive developments from which communities could have benefited. That is unacceptable, and the Minister, by introducing changes here, has taken a step in the right direction.

The Minister's announcement that he will bring forward on Committee Stage amendments to allow access to the Circuit Court for orders against unauthorised developments and to substantially increase the fines for planning offences is welcome. It is fundamentally wrong that abuses continue and that law breakers can downface their local planning authorities through the use of tricks and devices. It is right that the Minister should set about ending that process. One case comes to mind of an illegal development in a highly scenic area of County Wicklow where for years people have been in and out of courts while the developer, without planning permission, has been allowed to use and abuse the law. That situation should never have arisen. I welcome the changes proposed in this regard.

The procedure introduced by the Planning Act, 1976, whereby any person can go to the High Court for an order against a development carried out without planning permission or which does not comply with the terms and permission granted has shown over the years to be effective. However, the process has been too slow. By allowing orders to be sought in the Circuit Court the effectiveness of the procedure will be enhanced and matters will be speeded up. It will certainly mean that planning authorities wishing to enforce the law will have a less costly and less onerous legal avenue open to them.

There is no doubt that the maximum fine of £10,000 for conviction on indictment under the Planning Act as it now stands is totally inadequate, particularly bearing in mind some of the serious offences involved. The Minister's proposal to raise the maximum fine to £1 million is very welcome. It will ensure that the penalty is a real deterrent to the small minority of developers who might otherwise be tempted to flaunt the planning laws with an eye only to profits.

Overall the Bill's approach is a reasonable one. A fair balance has been achieved between the need for a thorough and efficient development control process and the public interest in having final decisions on development proposals made within an acceptable period. I commend the Bill to the House and I compliment the Minister on the very important changes he has introduced.

First, I should like to welcome the Minister and compliment him on his recent appointment to a very important ministerial porfolio as Minister for the Environment. I am sure he will face many challenges in that position.

The Bill is to be commended. As far as public representatives are concerned, its main objective is to set a time limit of four months for the making of a decision. All public representatives are extremely concerned at the lengthy delays experienced in the decision-making process of An Bord Pleanála. At times we also feel helpless when dealing with such an august body as An Bord Pleanála trying to expedite a matter of concern to our constituents. Up to now An Bord Pleanála have been taking more than a year to reach decisions on applications.

While people certainly have a right to appeal to An Bord Pleanála, in many instances the objections made are somewhat trivial and result in considerable expense and hardship being suffered by those who apply for planning permission. Any effort to speed up the planning appeal system and thus reduce the lengthy waiting time has to be appreciated.

One has to recognise that the process cannot be speeded up by magic. It is obvious that if An Bord Pleanála take a considerable time to expedite planning appeals at present there must be a reason for that. One has to ask whether An Bord Pleanála have the staff and resources necessary to implement the planning laws and to carry out their work. The answer appears to be that An Bord Pleanála do not have sufficient staff. In my brief experience in the House I have noted serious deficiencies in the implementation of legislation that has been enacted. Quite often those deficiencies have arisen because the manpower resources are not adequate to truly bring into operation the spirit and intent of the legislation. I hope that in the implementation of this Bill An Bord Pleanála will be given the required resources in order to achieve the Bill's objective.

Will the Minister review the overall planning scene and the planning controls we have at present to determine whether it might be time for a change? As a member of a county council I am aware that county councils feel that the exercising of planning controls is one of their true functions. The power of local authorities has been eroded over a period and although there have been attempts to restore functions to local authorities there are still major deficiencies. Although it is a statutory function of the county manager to become involved in planning applications, any public representative may become involved. We usually become involved when an applicant runs into difficulties. Quite often we are, if anything, a mediator between an applicant and a county council.

I am concerned that although a county council may have to make a decision within two months quite often it takes much longer. I often wonder whether that might be because our planning system is clogged up with applications. Many applications for planning permission, perhaps for ordinary houses, go through fairly rapidly.

Applications for house extensions amount to about 25 per cent of planning applications and the reject rate of those applications is as low as 1 per cent. Should there be a certain amount of deregulation concerning such extensions? Could the process for dealing with such applications be streamlined to speed it up? Do we need planning permission for such extensions? I pose those questions because in my experience applications for house extensions go through rather easily. How many of us have found that such an application concerns a retention? Often it is only when an individual decides to sell a property that this or her lawyer suddenly discovers that it is necessary to apply for planning permission for an extension to the property which was built some years previously. It is often the case that the individual believed it was not necessary to obtain permission to carry out the extension.

Another matter that causes much concern, especially in rural areas, relates to applications for what is classified as ribbon-type development outside towns. In many instances individuals building a house need apply for permission to instal a sceptic tank. I understand caution is exercised in regard to the installation of sceptic tanks and it is usual for health board officials to become involved if their is an element of doubt. There must now be many areas where it is compulsory to dig a trial hole or to carry out percolation tests at a very early stage. Would the whole planning process be speeded up if early on it was pointed out to the applicant that because of the region involved and its planning application history the first requirement would be for the applicant to dig a trial hole? I make that point because applicants face much frustration because of the very lengthy process of having an engineer visit the site, prepare a report, and request the health board to carry out a sceptic tank investigation. The county council may recommend the digging of a bore hole and the visit of a health inspector. A further element of doubt may arise in respect of prevailing weather conditions and percolation tests may be suggested. Should the prevailing planning regulations be examined to determine whether it is possible to proceed with an amount of deregulation.

Although a council may make a planning decision there are many other aspects involved in such a decision such as safety and fire risk. Probably 40 per cent of the planning conditions imposed on individuals have no relevance to planning. How sincere are some of those conditions in relation to what the council are trying to apply? Quite often there appears to be a lack of enforcement of such conditions and I can understand why that might be the case. Most officials feel constrained and pressurised. How often has a condition of planning permission for a house recommended that a wall be erected or a hard shoulder near a roadway for safety or traffic considerations yet four or five years later nothing has been done although the house has been built? It is possible that an applicant has not met such a condition because of financial constraints. It is quite common for an individual to say that a condition will be met when he or she has the money available. How serious is the intent of the council or the local authority when making such conditions? Should such conditions include a recommended time scale for the implementation of it?

In relation to the planning process I should like the Minister to consider the aspect of privacy, a matter I have taken up with my local authority and one I am sure others also raised. Quite often the planning office in the county council is crowded and people have to do their business in public. That is not good enough. I have been critical of this in my own county. The right to privacy should be available to anybody dealing with council officials. This is something which should be examined by the Minister in relation to all local authority planning offices. In local authorities the people involved in planning always appear to be under pressure and I compliment them on the work they do. To introduce conditions and time scales without being able to enforce them demeans the whole planning process.

Very often when a person gets planning permission for a house in a scenic location, they are mean-minded enough to join an organisation like An Taisce in order to object to further development in the area. That certainly happens in the west.

The planning process has been helped by the recent changes with regard to the section 4 process. My county has never encouraged that process. The use of section 4 orders has helped to demean the planning process. Limerick County Council have been successful because there has been a unanimous agreement not to support section 4s as such. In my county council section 4s do not apply, so constituents do not go from one party TD to another trying to get planning permission. The history of section 4 orders is well known and people in Dublin are well aware of abuses in that area. I welcome the recent change with regard to section 4 orders. I appeal to my colleagues in other county councils to reconsider their use of section 4s because they are not in the interests of the public and it does not help the planning process.

The procedures under the draft development plan are convoluted. The intention is to involve the public but I wonder if in any county the public are truly involved in any draft development plan for the county. Usually the advertisement put in the local paper is that the plan is available for viewing by the members of the public in the local county council office. How many members of the public actually go to the trouble of studying the draft development plan and how it applies to their area? I wonder if a better system could be evolved which would really involve the public.

This Bill is welcome. I have already clarified my reservations in relation to the success of the four month process. Success can be achieved only if we beef up the division in An Bord Pleanála to achieve this objective. This is a worthwhile Bill, however, we need to reconsider the whole planning process to try to ensure it is not demeaned as a result of deficiencies which exist in the planning process. We may not need legislation but perhaps an examination of what is there to try to get better value for money.

I am extremely disappointed with the contributions from the Fine Gael Party. They appear to be far too close to the development and industry lobby. I would have thought that they had a duty in the House to provide some kind of balance to the Fianna Fáil attitude to development, but that is their right and privilege, while it gives me no pleasure to say that.

I accept what Fine Gael say about section 4s and I agree with what Deputy Finucane said, that on the whole Fine Gael have a much better record than the Fianna Fáil Party when it comes to section 4s. The type of section 4s to which I am referring are, of course where individuals are trying to get planning permission for something which has been turned down by the local authority planners.

On behalf of the Green Party — Comhaontas Glas — I wish to state that I have grave problems with many of the provisions of this Bill. In particular, I have a problem with the main purpose of the Bill which is to reduce to four months the time allowed to An Bord Pleanála to determine appeals. The Minister referred to the need to avoid delays in the planning system. At the risk of being pedantic I would make the point that delays are an inevitable feature of the planning system. Time has to be taken in this area, particularly with major projects. I would have thought if the Minister had prefixed "delays" with the word "undue" this might meet the Bill, so to speak.

I would refer the House to a typical example of the way in which planning permission can be granted hastily. I refer to the application by Merril Dow or a chemical plant in east Cork. This application was dealt with in the same time frame as an application by a nearby farmer for a hay shed. I am not convinced by the Minister who in blaming existing planning procedures for what he describes as "a serious competitive disadvantage" in attracting industry. The Minister refers to the fact that the proportion of cases on hand for more than six months now stands at 2.8 per cent. This, of course, is very commendable in so far as it is in no one's interest that the system should get snowed under with appeals. It would seems to me that this Bill was drawn up in the context of the serious delays which were occurring at the board, but the Minister has now clearly been overtaken by events and it removes the main raison d'tre for the Bill.

It is important that appeal decisions are not rushed in order to give preference to quantity over quality as often careful decisions are needed to resolve complex cases. In this context the board's comments in their 1985 annual report on page 5 are relevant:

Many appeals are probably cases that have raised difficult issues at local level arising from the implementation of the provisions of the Development plan, the protection of amenities and the need to reconcile proposals with the proper planning and development of the area. A number raise contentious Third Party Issues. These cases by their nature require more time for processing and careful consideration, a factor which is sometimes overlooked in criticisms of the system

This is clearly a case where the board at the time were more than satisfied with the time scales, and the Minister certainly has not made the case for any change.

Another problem we have with the Bill is section 4 which provides that all appeals must be lodged within one month of the decision to grant planning permission. This, in itself, is not unreasonable but what is unreasonable is that even in the most complex case the entire grounds for the appeal must be stated and no further grounds can be introduced at a later stage — perhaps at an oral hearing. This period is quite unrealistic as in many cases an environmental impact statement would be required. The Minister in his speech strays from the Bill and makes references to the planning application stage. He refers to the recommendation of the special task force on employment. I would now ask him to publish the report compiled by Frank Benson and Associates on the planning system presented to the Industry Policy Review Group. What is really needed now is a complete review of the planning laws. I would remind the House that the Principal Act — the 1963 Planning Act — is nearly 30 years old. Apart from the major revision of legislation comprised in the 1976 amending Act, there has been no substantial review of planning law as such. There are many defects in existing planning legislation, in particular, the concept of "retention planning". This was intended as a transitional measure in 1963, in other words, a planning application process where somebody can apply for permission to retain a structure or even a group of structures — as has happened in the case of several houses in Bray and Bundoran, County Donegal — once they have been built.

This is an outrageous situation. The developers know they need planning permission but they proceed to build and then plead that as the building is now up, and does not look too bad and the structure must remain. That type of carry on is totally unacceptable in this day and age. We all know this device is still used by developers as a means to evade enforcement action. Local authorities often encourage people to go for "retention" in order to "regularise" their situation. The major problem is that there are no significant penalties if one breaches the terms of any planning permission.

There is no definition of "material contravention" of a local authority development plan in the legislation. This means that the local authority managers define what is "material contravention". For example, Howth House, in County Dublin was in a residentially zoned area, yet Dublin County Council, on the advice of the manager, gave planning permission for a significant commercial development there without going through the process of a "material contravention". There is no protection for "conservation areas" which aim to protect groups of architecturally and historically important buildings such as the squares within Trinity College or Kenilworth Square, Dublin.

Developments by the State and local authorities are exempt from the normal planning process and thus cannot be formally appealed. In particular I would like to refer to the latest antics of the Office of Public Works who seem determined to impose these so-called interpretative centres in wilderness areas or areas of extreme sensitivity, such as those at Luggala, Mullaghmore, Dunquin and the Boyne Valley. It is quite appalling that these faceless Fascists should be able to completely ignore the views of elected representatives, residents, such groups as An Taisce, the Mountaineering Council of Ireland and local environmental groups in the relevant areas. A change in the law is absolutely essential to make these people amenable to democratic control.

There is no statutory recognition for action area plans for a defined area within a wider local authority functional area, for example, Athlone environs plan prepared by Roscommon County Council. No planning permission is required for the demolition of buildings that are not used as dwellings, unless they are listed buildings. Many of our finest commercial and industrial buildings are not listed, for example, mill complexes at Saggart, County Dublin, where I worked for three years, and I know it well.

I seem to be reciting a list of problems but I am afraid there are a great many problems with the existing planning procedures. Local authorities are not bound to provide an opportunity for public examination and comment before deciding on "submissions in compliance" by developers in relation to conditions and there is no appeal process if somebody considers the condition is not in compliance with the original permission. There is no obligation on applicants or local authorities to notify their immediate neighbours about their planning applications which could affect their neighbours. This is a source of considerable friction at present. There is no obligation on an applicant to provide a notice on site as well as in a newspaper, a very simple matter. An Bord Pleanála are not obliged to make available their inspector's reports for public examination and have strenuously resisted doing so. That is a very important example of the lack of any proper freedom of information in this country.

There is a need for a uniform standard of definition for scheduled towns, say, a town being a centre of population with over 1,000 people. For example, Rush is a schedule town in County Dublin but Dundrum and Shankill are not.

The application of financial incentives under the Urban Renewal Act, 1986, should be dependent on the preparation of a special local authority development plan for those areas involving public consultation.

Now, I must deal with the doubling of planning appeal fees by the Minister's predecessor. The new charges represent a 100 per cent increase in two years in a period when inflation has been less than 10 per cent. The previous increase in 1990 represented a 38 per cent increase in just over five years. Planning appeal fees have increased by 278 per cent since 1984. I have received representations from An Taisce who are very concerned that those on relatively low fixed incomes, such as people dependent on social welfare or pensioners, will be unable to afford the third party appeal charge of £100 in order to exercise their right to appeal a local authority decision which could adversely affect their dwelling, amenities or the whole neighbourhood to An Bord Pleanála.

If the Government insist on persisting with this colossal increase in planning appeal fees there is a real danger that by the time the Environmental Protection Agency is operational — whenever that will be — the public will no longer be able to afford to participate in the planning appeal process since individual submissions to an appeal once somebody else has initiated an appeal have also been doubled to £30 representing a 300 per cent increase since 1984.

These increases are pricing out any democracy in the planning appeal process to the ordinary people, to residents' and tenants' association and leaving this the reserve of the well off and wealthy sections of our community.

Might I suggest that at least a proportion of the appeal fee should be refundable for a bona fide application? Perhaps one could go further and provide that all the appeal fee be refunded.

In cases where An Bord Pleanála grant planning permission they are entitled to ignore that such planning permission is in "material contravention" of the development plan. This in my view makes a complete nonsense of the development plan, if An Bord Pleanála can simply ignore the fact that it exists.

The Bill is unrealistic in its desire to determine almost all planning appeals within four months. This unrealistic approach is compounded by restricting every party to a one submission approach. Unfortunately these negative features far outweigh the positive features of attempting to provide a one month appeal period for all parties and of requiring the local authority reports to be available to the public from the date of decision.

Debate adjourned.
Sitting suspended at 1.30 p.m. and resumed at 2.30 p.m.
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