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Dáil Éireann debate -
Tuesday, 7 Jul 1992

Ceisteanna—Questions. Oral Answers. - Violence in South Africa.

Joe Sherlock

Question:

27 Mr. Sherlock asked the Minister for Foreign Affairs whether Ireland has protested to the South African authorities regarding the recent massacre of almost 50 people at Boipatong by a group reported to have been acting with the collusion of members of the South African security forces; if, in the light of the deteriorating situation in South Africa, he will outline his views on the prospects for progress towards a new non-racial constitution, based on one person-one-vote; and if he will make a statement on the matter.

Mary Flaherty

Question:

35 Miss Flaherty asked the Minister for Foreign Affairs if he will support and call on the EC to seek a report from its own ambassador on (1) the causes of the violence in South Africa and (2) any possible effective intervention.

Michael Ferris

Question:

36 Mr. Ferris asked the Minister for Foreign Affairs if he will outline this country's current political and economic ties with South Africa; and if he will make a statement on the matter.

Mervyn Taylor

Question:

77 Mr. Taylor asked the Minister for Foreign Affairs if he will make a statement about the current prospects for a democratic settlement in South Africa.

Nora Owen

Question:

283 Mrs. Owen asked the Minister for Foreign Affairs if he will outline the current EC position on the remaining EC sanctions against South Africa; and if he will further outline the position Ireland is taking.

Roger T. Garland

Question:

284 Mr. Garland asked the Minister for Foreign Affairs whether it is the Government's position that reforms introduced in South Africa cannot be considered to be irreversible as long as the white minority regime holds power there.

Jim O'Keeffe

Question:

295 Mr. J. O'Keeffe asked the Minister for Foreign Affairs if he will outline his views on the latest development in South Africa; and whether the EC has any proposals to help to get settlement discussions under way again.

Joe Sherlock

Question:

301 Mr. Sherlock asked the Minister for Foreign Affairs the steps the Government have taken to promote rapid progress towards the adoption of a new non-racial constitution in South Africa, based on one-person, one-vote; whether the Government support the principle of the establishment of an interim government for the period of transition; and if he will make a statement on the matter.

I propose to take Questions Nos. 27, 35, 36, 77, 283, 284, 295 and 301 together.

Ireland has consistently condemned the apartheid system and has worked actively at the United Nations and with their partners in the European Community to bring international pressure to bear on the Government of South Africa for change.

In calling for the total removal of apartheid, the Irish people have, over the years, stressed that this must be by peaceful means. We remain convinced, however, that the vicious cycle of repression and violence, provoked by apartheid, can be ended only through constructive dialogue and negotiation.

In December of last year, the main parties and organisations in South Africa, including the South African Government, ANC and Inkatha, began to work together in the Convention for a Democratic South Africa, CODESA.

The Government regret that the parties were not able to reach agreement at the second plenary meeting of CODESA in May on the decisive issues of the structures for the negotiations on a new constitution and the form transitional arrangements for governing the country might take. Mr. Mandela's suggestion that the management committee of CODESA try to find agreement on the outstanding differences gave us renewed hope that the deadlock in the discussions could be overcome.

Our hopes were shattered by the brutal massacre at Boipatong on 17 June. It was yet another terrible incident in the continuing violence which has wracked South Africa since 1990, resulting in the deaths of over 7,000 people. Ireland joined in condemning the massacre in a statement made by the European Community on 23 June, which has been brought to the attention of the South African authorities.

The ANC suspended their talks with the South African Government, including within CODESA, because of the increasing violence. The full facts behind the massacre have yet to be established, but it must be said that the failure of the South African Government to recognise their responsibilities and to take the necessary action has allowed the instigators of the political violence free rein.

The European Council, in Lisbon on 26-27 June, in expressing its shock at what had happened at Boipatong, underlined the absolute need for effective control of the South African police and security forces. The question of violence is the regular subject of reports by the ambassadors of European Community countries in South Africa who follow events closely and report in a co-ordinated way through the European Political Co-operation procedures. It will be taken up by the Troika of Community Foreign Ministers during their visit to South Africa in the near future. As the Taoiseach informed the house last week, Ireland fully supports this. It is necessary that the conditions be created which will allow the parties to resume their talks under CODESA.

We have noted the South African Government's agreement to the participation by outside legal experts in the Goldstone Commission, who are investigating the Boipatong massacre. We hope that it represents the beginning of a change in official attitudes in South Africa.

Community Foreign Ministers considered the remaining Community sanctions on 6 April. They decided, in the light of the positive developments up to that date, to lift the ban on oil exports, in effect since 1985. They also agreed formally to lift the restrictions on scientific, cultural and sporting contacts, which had already been relaxed. Ireland supported these decisions. We believe it right that the Community, including Ireland, should respond appropriately to the developments taking place in South Africa.

The Community will continue to keep under review its sanctions policy. The arms embargo should remain until a new constitution and a new government are in place in South Africa. Other sanctions will be reviewed in the light of progress in South Africa.

At the moment, Ireland does not have diplomatic relations with South Africa. The honorary consul in Johannesburg, who has responsibility for the consular protection of Irish citizens, is the only official Irish presence in South Africa.

The Minister for Industry and Commerce led a delegation to South Africa last November and has answered questions in the House on his visit, which was intended to promote the development of trade and investment links between Ireland and South Africa. The balance of trade has consistently remained in Ireland's favour since 1981. Irish trade with South Africa has declined, however, in recent years. The balance of trade figure in our favour for 1991 was £17.6 million. The Minister for Industry and Commerce, noting the potential of the South African market, concluded from his visit that there were some worthwhile opportunities for developing trade and business links, over time.

A number of Deputies have tabled questions in relation to the subject matter involved. I call on Deputy Jim O'Keeffe who has a question tabled on the subject and is present in the House.

I suppose our concern is that Ireland on its own initiative and secondly as a member of the EC will do everyting possible to try to encourage the re-starting of talks. Will the Minister assure this House that whatever diplomatic efforts can be made of our own accord and through the Community will be made to ensure that the talks and negotiations get back on the rails?

I have gone to great trouble to give that assurance to the Deputy. He must be well aware of the efforts made in this regard and of our record in this area. We will continue to use our influence to the very best of our ability.

Will the Minister agree that it was the sanctions imposed by the EC countries in particular which resulted in the South African Government finally agreeing to negotiations with the ANC? Will he not agree, therefore, in view of the recent developments and the clear implication that South African security forces were at least in support of the massacre in Boipatong, that sanctions should be strengthened rather than reduced in order to ensure that the talks get back under way? There is no other way of doing it. Economic pressure must be applied to bring white South Africa back to the negotiating table in a serious way and force them to bring their security forces under control.

The position was that sanctions would be reviewed in the light of progress. That works both ways. I take the point the Deputy is making. If an event is deteriorating that must be taken into consideration. The intention always was that sanctions would be reviewed in the light of the progress being made. As progress was being made sanctions were eased. As I said, that works both ways.

May I take it that the attitude of the Department of Foreign Affairs is that they would reply if necessary at national level and through the Twelve to any campaign of disinformation which suggested that the ANC were primarily responsible for the breakdown of the talks?

I am not certain at this stage that we could add anything further that would help resolve the situation, which is very complex and at the moment very threatening and dangerous. In the light of the views that have been expressed here we will keep in very close touch with the situation there and ensure that whatever action we can take, either bilaterally or through our involvement in the Community, we will take.

That disposes of questions for today.

Sir, while the Minister is here will you allow him to give us an indication whether his Department are in contact with the French Government with regard to the condition of Irish people who are caught——

Deputy, please desist.

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