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Dáil Éireann debate -
Wednesday, 27 Apr 1994

Vol. 442 No. 1

Private Members' Business. - Women's Health: Motion.

I move:

That Dáil Éireann, conscious of the concern about women's health as recently indicated by the high incidence of breast cancer in this country and the many women who have tested positive in the course of the current Anti D screening process, calls on the Minister for Health:

(1) to immediately set up a nationwide breast cancer screening programme under the GMS for women in the high risk age group in the first instance, and

(2) to provide the resources necessary for a comprehensive scheme to identify, counsel and treat all women and their families suffering from the hepatitis C virus and antibodies arising from Anti-D immunoglobulin treatment from 1970 to 1994.

I wish to share my time with Deputies Theresa Ahearn and Doyle.

I am sure that is satisfactory and agreed.

This motion in my name and that of Deputy Ahearn, Chairperson of the Oireachtais Joint Committee on Women's Affairs, was inspired by the section of the Irish Countrywomen's Association that deals with breast cancer screening and by the lack of urgent and appropriate action by the Minister in dealing with the hepatitis C virus. I will outline Fine Gael's reservations on both matters and colleagues will deal in greater detail with them as appropriate.

For a long time breast cancer has been a source of worry to Irish women and that has been exacerbated by the fact that a seemingly higher proportion of Irish women die of cancer than other Europeans. In 1992, 650 women, of whom 250 were in the 45 to 64 age group, died as a result of breast cancer, a rather chilling thought. It helps focus our attention on the magnitude of the problem. Notwithstanding the Minister's proposals in the recently announced health document, it is appropriate to focus on that problem now.

The importance of research cannot be over emphasised. It is essential that women in the high risk, 50 to 64 age group, should have ready access to mammography screening in the light of the need for early detection. Services are available at a number of hospitals throughout the country, but those centres are not readily accessible to all women. I hope that will be remedied in the not too distant future as the delay in that area is disappointing. We are awaiting the results of pilot schemes before processing further, but I am not sure if that is the most appropriate course in this instance.

I am aware of the EU screening programme under way on a pilot basis at the Mater Foundation but that is not a sufficient response to a serious health problem for women which should be dealt with on a nationwide basis. I am aware of the debate on the effectiveness of mammography screening but it is necessary to implement procedures for earlier detection which I hope will reduce the number of deaths from breast cancer. The Minister should immediately set up a screening programme which would be readily available for women.

I pay tribute to the Irish Country Women's Association who focused attention on this subject in recent times.

I am aware of the debate within medical circles on the best means of dealing with this problem. Notwithstanding that, immediate action is required. I hope the Minister will act, signal clearly to women that he is serious about this and reassure them of his intentions to do whatever is required.

The second part of our motion arises from the recent concern of women who received Anti D immunoglobulin treatment, particularly in the 1970s. It should be noted that women's health suffered as a result of their following an approved and prescribed procedure whereby they were given intravenously an apparently contaminated blood product. It has caused untold concern, stress and perhaps, in a minority of cases a life threatening illness. I am disappointed at the way the crisis was handled by the Minister who seemed more intent on keeping the problem at arm's length than quickly implementing procedures to screen, identify and counsel those at risk.

Last February when the full scale of the problem became apparent the Minister announced that a screening process would be put in place immediately through the GP service. Many GPs first heard of the Minister's proposals through the media. The manner in which they received advance warning from the Minister was haphazard, unco-ordinated and unprofessional. In many cases the facilities to carry out blood tests were not available to GPs for several days or weeks following the Minister's announcement.

Meanwhile, the screening process attempted to address the problem. I give full credit to the general practitioners who have done an excellent job, with negligible back-up from the Minister. I will refer later to that. The Minister is smiling, he must not believe what I am saying but it is a fact that can be borne out by numerous women throughout the country.

I will give examples of people who experienced this problem. The son of a woman in the high risk group presented for screening and was told that no procedures were yet in place to deal with such cases. This was more than a week after the Minister's announcement.

Where did this person seek screening?

I referred that case to the Minister at the time and he should know about it. There is no point querying it now. In the case of a woman who presented for blood tests and made inquiries ten days later, she was told that the sample was still not sent to the laboratory for analysis. At a later stage, little or no information was available on the test except that it was positive. For this unfortunate woman who was naturally worried and anxious to ascertain what further information was available on the test, the only information available was vague.

In another case where a woman's test was positive and she went for counselling and treatment, she found the treatment — self-injection — cumbersome to administer and the counselling worthless due to the fact that insufficient information was available, with particular reference to her future health. This latter factor is particularly noticeable when patients inquire as to how they might be affected in the event of accelerated progression.

Another case is that of a woman who tested positive and who may have her employment position reviewed due to her employer's concern about her insurance cover, an item which the Minister stated was a matter between the insured and her insurance company. That presents a very serious problem for some women, particularly in the public service — insurance cover is required for public liability where people are dealing directly with members of the public. The Minister will recognise some of those cases; one of them is near his constituency.

The Minister has been particularly slow in providing information on the accuracy of the PCR test and other tests which might follow, including liver biopsy. There is equal vagueness as to the success rate of treatment by way of interferon. Little information has been made available on the advanced age factor in terms of progression. No provision has been suggested on compensation, which must be an issue where patients are innocent victims of circumstances outside their control, as in the case of haemophiliacs. The Minister will recall that when he was on this side of the House he brought to the attention of the then Minister, as did my colleague, Deputy Ivan Yates, the absolute and urgent necessity of addressing the question of compensation where it was clearly identifiable that the patients were in no way to blame for the problem with which they were faced.

No reliable information has been made available on methods of transmission, whether sexual transmission or otherwise. As the Minister knows, medical opinion is divided in that area. For example, in Japan it is presumed that sexual transmission is possible whereas in Germany and other countries it is believed it is not possible. This information should be available to counsellors, yet when women seek it in the course of counselling they are unable to get it. I can cite numerous cases where women had to seek out the information from international medical journals, and that is unacceptable.

It is incredible that women should be treated in such a slipshod, impersonal, demeaning and undignified fashion. It is intolerable that they should be treated more as numbers than as human beings and that they should be left to worry about their health with only the support of their families, while information readily available in other countries is unavailable to them. It is unbelievable that almost 1,000 women who have tested positive are left worried and confused as to their future health, notwithstanding the Minister's statements in the House and long-winded replies to parliamentary questions. Unfortunately, the Minister is not the only culprit in that area. Long-winded replies to parliamentary questions are commonplace and are more like statements than replies.

Lest it be felt that I am exaggerating I will cite an article by Carol A. Seymour in the British Medical Journal, volume 308 of 12 March 1994:

Irving et. al. found that all but two of 52 “healthy” blood donors infected with hepatitis C virus had abnormal liver biopsy tissue. The abnormalities ranged from fatty change, chronic persistent hepatitis, chronic active hepatitis to cirrhosis.

Several issues must now be addressed. Should further screening programmes be planned to pick up more of these "healthy" people in the community since they may be at risk of future liver disease by a synergistic effect with other agents such as alcohol and drugs (a couple of well-known drugs are named).

What should be done about a positive test result for hepatitis C virus? Counselling is essential, and Ryan et. al. have shown it to be effective on a limited scale. More studies of asymptomatic people will be needed to determine the precise risk of progression to chronic liver disease and the effects of treatment, when appropriate. At present the only results we have are of treatment of patients with hepatitis C. Up to half go on to have some form of chronic hepatitis and if untreated, up to a fifth of them may progress to cirrhosis. Patients with community acquired hepatitis C may have a lower risk of cirrhosis; meta-analysis suggests that the disease progress in one-fifth of such patients and that two-thirds of those develop chronic hepatitis. Furthermore Irving et. al. suggests that substantial proportion of donors with repeatedly positive result on hepatitis C virus testing should have liver biopsies to assess any liver pathology.

The Minister has recognised that the testing system is not 100 per cent accurate and I accept the difficulties there. The danger is that in this country we appear to accept the 75 per cent rate of effectiveness of the PCR test, and we do not suggest how patients might progress to further tests. I am not happy that the method by which the Minister is dealing with this matter is in the best interests of the women of Ireland or of his Department.

The New England Journal of Medicine, volume 330, No. 11 of 17 March 1994 states:

Epidemiologic studies show that the most efficient transmission of HCV is through the transfusion of blood or blood products or the transplantation of organs from infected donors and through the sharing of contaminated needles among injection-drug users. However, less than half of patients with acute hepatitis C report a history of such exposure. A small number of epidemiologic studies demonstrate that perinatal, sexual, household, and occupational transmission occurs.

I call on the Minister to reassess the problem and the manner in which he and his Department have managed it so far. They should be seen to be dealing with it in the best possible way. The Minister should review the matter with a view to making available to the women concerned every possible item of information so that some of their worst fears may be assuaged.

I wish to dwell mainly on the need for national screening for breast cancer. I am sure the Minister is aware that breast cancer is the most important and most urgent health issue for Irish women. It is the most dreaded enemy of every woman because every woman is a potential victim. It is the secret fear of every woman, including myself. For all of us, any indication of a lump or cyst causes shock waves through the system. Many women have experienced this awful and frightening feeling. I am certain that everyone in this House must know a family member, a friend or a neighbour who has lost a loved one through breast cancer.

The facts are frightening. Breast cancer is the most common cancer among women. It is the commonest cause of death in women between the ages of 35 to 45 years. It is diagnosed in approximately 1,200 women every year in Ireland and is responsible for more than 600 deaths per year. It is diagnosed generally from the age of 30 years onwards and, sadly, there is no known cause.

Tonight's motion concerns one known fact — the earlier the disease is diagnosed the more likely that treatment can cure it. Because of this I joined my colleague, Deputy Durkan, in tabling this motion because we know, and it has been proved, that early detection will prevent deaths. All the medical evidence and research supports the vital importance of early detection and there is living proof that this is the most vital element in curing breast cancer.

The issue is so important and urgent that it cannot be considered as just one of the many parts of a plan for women's health; any decisions to tackle this nationwide killer cannot be deferred until yet another study or pilot programme is completed and evaluated. It must be treated in isolation and dealt with urgently. Every week new cases are diagnosed; with every week's delay valuable opportunities are lost to provide methods of early detection and screening, thus preventing deaths.

It is an avoidable defect in our nation's health care that we have the second highest death rate from breast cancer within the European Union. This proves that the problem must be of national concern and a priority in our health policy and must, therefore, demand speedy reaction and resources provided swiftly. There is and will continue to be a debate as to the best way to tackle and attempt to reduce the alarming number of deaths caused by breast cancer but there is an emerging agreement that deaths can and will be avoided by the provision of a nationwide breast cancer screening programme for women in the high risk category.

I congratulate the Irish Countrywomen's Association for its initiative in undertaking a national campaign calling for the provision of such a screening programme. Its members deserve all our support in their efforts to establish a national focus and an increased awareness of the means of reducing death from this disease.

It is unfortunate that we hear more about those who die from breast cancer than of the huge number who overcome the disease and are cured. I appeal to the Minister to play his part in providing the necessary resources to turn the problem of breast cancer to the stage where we will record the number of cases cured rather than concentrating on the number of deaths.

The screening programme for which I and my party call for this evening can be established at a cost of approximately £5 million to £6 million. Surely this can be considered a worthwhile investment in view of the possible number of lives saved. I urge the Minister to respond positively by agreeing to the establishment of a screening programme without delay. While we are all aware that the screening programme is not the total answer, other effective measures must also be taken if we are determined to reduce the number of deaths from breast cancer.

At a meeting of the Oireachtas Joint Committee on Women's Rights on 9 March 1994 I placed this issue on the agenda. The meeting was addressed by Ms Aine Gillatt, the health promotions officer of the Irish Cancer Society, Professor Higgins, Professor of Surgery at UCC and St. Vincent's Hospital, Dr. Codd of the Mater Hospital and Dr. Jane Buttimer of the Department of Health. It was obvious to all of us who attended that meeting that not enough is being done to ensure early detection and that there is a need for a national strategic plan on breast cancer.

The clinic in St. Vincent's Hospital is hugely under-resourced and massively under-funded. I call on the Minister to provide the funds to allow this breast clinic to be developed into a major breast diagnostic centre. At present the clinic is operating for only one morning per week and is, therefore, unable to cope with the huge demand. This, unfortunately, leaves many women who have symptoms but who cannot have speedy examination enduring a stressful and distressing waiting time. This is most unfair, totally unjustified and should not be allowed to continue.

I ask the Minister also to promote an awareness of breast cancer and to provide psychological and community service support for those women who have been diagnosed with the disease, whose needs should be determined by survey and, most importantly, by speedy access to treatment. The message is quite clear; deaths can be prevented. The Minister must be committed to taking the first steps in providing a nationwide breast cancer screening programmes, it is the only way early detection can be achieved.

At present there are only 17 mammography machines around the country and for that reason only women who already have the symptoms can avail of that service. Early detection is important in women who may not have physical symptoms. It is only when we undertake and are committed to providing that type of screening programme that we will succeed in having early detection, the results of which will be the prevention of deaths.

All of us have met too many families with no mother and too many children without their loved ones all because breast cancer was diagnosed too late. This disease is a major killer and yet it is one where the number of deaths can be reduced. Is it too much to call on the Government to provide the necessary finances and resources to enable early detection? If the Minister responds favourably to this motion he will be providing a valuable service to women. He will relieve women's fears if they can be assured that screening facilities will be made available and may help to ensure that families are not left motherless. Even if the death rate is not reduced vastly, one life saved is one family saved and it would be a step in the right direction.

I appeal to the Minister not to look on this demand as part of his national health programme, for which I commend him. I ask him to look at it in isolation. This matter cannot be delayed because a delay will result in more deaths and more women who should have been detected but who will not be for months or perhaps years. The facts speak for themselves.

I feel strongly about this issue because I have lost loved ones as a result of breast cancer as I am sure have many Members of this House. We should commit ourselves in 1994 to tackling this enormous killer of women and to provide the necessary resources. I appeal to the Minister to respond positively to our request.

In regard to the second part of the motion, I am happy to support Deputy Durkan in calling for improved support for the many unfortunate women who received a positive result in the Anti D screening process. My concerns are in three areas. I understand that 12,000 women in the targeted area have not turned up for testing. I appeal to the Minister to initiate a nationwide programme urging these women to come forward for testing. I am concerned that there appears to be a delay of five to six weeks before the results of the second test are known. That is a time of enormous stress for women and anything the Minister can do in that regard would be very welcome.

The Minister promised that all support services would be available for women who tested positively. I received telephone calls from women concerned about the financial cost involved. One person was minding the children of a neighbour who had to go to Dublin for a test. Who pays the train fare and the childminder? Not only do families suffer stress but they also have an additional financial outlay. Many people cannot afford this and they should not have to worry about finance during this distressing period. There is a very little information on the disease. Financial support should be available to those who must undertake such journeys and leave their homes and jobs for further testing.

I appeal to the Minister to provide nationwide breast cancer screening. It is one of the major issues facing women today and he would be thanked for providing such a service.

It gives me great pleasure to support the motion, although I do so with concern. Given the huge morbidity and mortality rate from breast cancer we need answers and action urgently. The fact that early detection saves lives needs no further study or research. Detection at present involves the best use of electronic equipment, namely, mammography. I am aware of the discussions in medical circles but until something better is in place I ask the Minister not to deny the large body of women, particularly those in the higher age risk category, easy access to mammography. Sometimes it is too late when self-examination or examination by a general practitioner indicates there may be a problem. The Minister should ensure easy access to mammography under the GMS for all women who wish to avail of it.

I hesitate to say this but with the alarm being raised about the increasing rate of testicular cancer, men will not have the same difficulty getting immediate access to detection and treatment. I ask the Minister to ensure, on foot of this excellent, constructive and positive campaign of the ICA, that no woman has to wait to avail of a mammogram deemed necessary in her case. Please give easy access to all women regardless of their financial means to this important detection procedure. Detection is the only means we have of ensuring the rates of morbidity and mortality will be reduced. We do not need to await the findings of the Mater Hospital study to give us the rates.

I would be negligent if I did not point to the criminal neglect of medical research here. Research is a cinderella area. Medical research has not been given the priority it deserves and that is tragic in a country which has a reputation for the delivery of treatment and services in the medical field. Perhaps the Minister will address this issue. We will not be ahead in the medical field tomorrow if we do not put money into research today.

I support what Deputy Theresa Ahearn said regarding St. Vincent's breast clinic. It is under-resourced and under-financed. It is the only one in the country and is open for only half a day each week. It is unrealistic to expect that to continue. The Minister gave a grant towards the clinic recently but I ask him to give them the outstanding funding to ensure the clinic is properly funded with the equipment and staff resources it needs to do the job, given the huge rate of morbidity and mortality from breast cancer.

As regards the tragedy of hepatitis C from Anti D immunoglobulin treatment of women, no women who tested positive for hepatitis C has been advised not go give blood. The Minister may say that heat treatments and the different management of blood means this could not happen again but some advice should have been given in this area. Many of the women who tested positive gave blood since 1977. I am not sure that was wise. If infected blood went into the overall blood pool there is a much less chance of passing on hepatitis C than there was in the case of Anti D treatment but there is a slight risk. Many others are concerned that if they had a blood transfusion over the last ten years or so they may have caught hepatitis C. The Minister needs to extend the testing service to anyone who may have concerns in this area, to the husbands and families of those who may have tested positive and to anyone who may have had a blood transfusion or who has cause for concern, whether it is realistic or not. People who are worried do not need the bible of medicine preached to them. They need the blood screening test to allay their fears and I ask the Minister to ensure it is available to them.

The newspaper column inches attributed to the Minister on this issue since it broke last February run into thousands. Apart from doing a good PR exercise to shore up his image and that of Pelican House and all those who have been caught on this issue, there are huge gaps in the management of this problem. I will give the example of Frances from County Wexford. She made several attempts to contact the Minister and failed to do so. She contacted a named official in the Department who told her to write to them. She did so and up to three days ago had not received a reply. Frances is a school teacher. She is articulate and a great spokesperson for women who may not be able to express their concerns. Frances is married with four grown up children. She had a miscarriage in 1977 at the age of 37. She is rhesus negative, as is her husband. She should never have had Anti D immunoglobulin treatment but it was given to her on the insistence of her gynaecologist at Wexford General Hospital as a "precaution". How many other women were given Anti D unnecessarily apart from those who received it because it was thought to be the best medical practice? As an articulate educated woman, she pointed out that both she and her husband were rhesus negative and that she should not be given it but they insisted and she was given the treatment. She has now tested positive. The PCR was received from Edinburgh some time ago and she had high anti-bodies which means she had a recent bout of the virus.

This woman is awaiting a call for follow on treatment. She can get no information as to when she will be called. She does not know what kind of treatment she will be offered. Those who tested positive are alarmed, as are their families. The ABC of what happens when a positive test and PCR is received has not been spelled out so their fears cannot be allayed.

The Well Woman Centre tried to set up an advice centre but it cannot gain access to the information it needs. General practitioners are frustrated because blood tests results are not automatically sent to them. When Frances contacted Pelican House on being tested positive she was told by a doctor, whom I can name later, that everyone who has this disease will eventually die from it. This woman panicked and visited her GP. He phoned Pelican House and she was put in contact with another doctor who denied the statement. I will give the Minister the name of the doctor who made the statement.

These women need to know the truth. They also need counselling and information on the steps being taken in terms of treatment. I urge the Minister to accept this motion which will allay these women's fears. Many of the fears are perceived rather than real, but nevertheless they will not be allayed until such time as the Minister spells out the steps being taken in terms of treatment. Many women, their families and society in general are concerned about the way this unnecessary scare has been handled.

Unnecessary scare?

It will be an unnecessary scare until such time as they know the facts. Why do Britain and France, where women have received the Anti D immunoglobulin treatment, not have the same problem with hepatitis C? This woman would normally be well able to pursue her own interests without having to ask her public representative for help. However, having been totally frustrated by the response of the Department and the Minister who could not tell her where she should go next, this woman had to ask me for help. She is a teacher by profession and she should be applying for the principal's job which will come up next year. The staff are having a meeting this week to consider her future position in the school — parents have expressed concern about her. The Minister, or perhaps medical science, have not been able to allay the fears of people about the impact of this disease. The Minister must spell out precisely the counselling which will be made available immediately for all women who have tested positive and the treatment they will receive.

It is with pleasure that I support this motion. I hope the Minister will have some good news for us both in terms of access to screening for breast cancer and the handling of the hepatitis C problem which has tragically affected many more women than we initially envisaged would be affected. Will the Minister say when the immediate families of these women, people who have had blood transfusions and those who are concerned about hepatisis C, can gain access to the testing service? How does the Minister plan to deal with the large number of women who have tested positive? How will the treatment be financed and what criteria will be used in the selection of women for treatment?

I move amendment No. 1:

To delete all words after "That" and substitute the following:

"Dáil Éireann

—welcomes and supports the Minister for Health's proposals for the development of a comprehensive, integrated health care system as set out in the national health strategy, Shaping a Healthier Future,

—commends the proposals contained in the strategy regarding the development of a plan for women's health, including the proposal, in relation to screening for breast cancer, that a decision would be taken on the question of setting up a national screening service as soon as the findings of the present study at the Mater Hospital Foundation have been evaluated and

—commends the Minister for the action taken and proposed in relation to the identification, counselling and treatment of women and their families who have tested positive for hepatitis C arising from the national screening programme."

I will deal later with the specific issues raised in the motion and by Deputies on the other side of the House. Any discussion on the health services should now be placed firmly in the context of the comprehensive and integrated strategy on health services which I published last week. This strategy will guide the development and improvement of all health services. I welcome the opportunity to outline for the House the main principle and directions embodied in the strategy, so soon after its publication. The House will see that the strategy gives priority for the first time to the development of a comprehensive plan for women's health.

The publication of the health strategy discharges an important committment of my Department under the Programme for Competitiveness and Work. It is the culmination of a root and branch examination of all aspects of the health services to which I have devoted the last 16 months since becoming Minister. This examination has revealed a service with very many strengths, but one which cannot deliver on its full potential because of organisational and other difficulties. Foremost among its strengths is the quality and commitment of its staff. Another important asset, the extent of which is perhaps unique to Ireland, is the involvement of the voluntary sector as a substantial and integral part of the public services. There is a real enthusiasm within the services for development and change, for progress and improvement.

The principal weakness is a lack of clarity about the overall focus or direction of the health services. In the absence of specific goals or targets, it is very difficult to assess real effectiveness. This position is unsustainable in a service which spends more than £2.25 billion of taxpayers' money each year and which could spend very much more on undoubtedly worthwhile developments if the resources were available. Notwithstanding the rhetoric engaged in by the Deputies opposite in calling for significant expenditure cuts, I am sure that like me they could name many projects which would be worthy of funding.

A second weakness, and one which has long been recognised, is the inadequate development of community services and of appropriate linkages between community and hospital services. This works against the objective of providing appropriate care in the most appropriate setting. It is clear that the organisational and management structures of the health services need to be significantly updated if real progress is to be made in tackling the other weaknesses I have identified.

When I became Minister for Health I was determined that I would build on the existing strengths of the services and implement the reforms needed to overcome the weaknesses. Just over a year ago I announced that with the assistance of my Department I would draw up a comprehensive national health strategy. I said that the strategy would have a clearly stated philosophy and clear and unequivocal objectives and targets and would provide for the necessary legislative measures to back them up.

The document published last week delivers fully on this commitment and has the potential to transform our health services for many years to come. The title of the document "Shaping a Healthier Future" conveys its main theme — the reshaping of the health services in terms of a clear, strategic direction so that improving people's health and quality of life becomes the primary and unifying focus of all our efforts.

Three important principles underpin the entire strategy — equity, quality of service and accountability. The Government's commitment to social justice has been seen in a wide range of policies since we took office and is reflected in the commitments to further progress which we have included in our Programme for a Partnership Government and the Programme for Competitiveness and Work.

There are few areas of Government policy which can have a greater impact on social justice than health policy. I am particularly pleased that in endorsing the health strategy my colleagues in Government have agreed in the clearest statement yet that our health services should first and foremost help those whose health needs are greatest. It is now an established fact that factors such as unemployment and poverty are linked with poor health status. We have also known for some time that certain groups, such as travellers, particularly women travellers, have health status far below that of the population as a whole.

The strategy contains a number of measures which will address this inequality, the most innovative of which is the creation of health development sectors. This means that each health board will be required to identify within its region those sectors which need special attention in terms of targeting health services. These sectors may be geographic areas or specific population groups, such as travellers or single mothers. The strategy explains how the health services will focus particularly on improving the health status and quality of life of these sectors.

The second principle is the measurement of quality. This has several dimensions. The formal measurement of the technical quality of the services will become an essential, integral part of their provision and all health care professionals will be expected to become involved in an ongoing clinical audit of their own areas.

However, there are other aspects of quality which can have a marked effect on a patient's satisfaction or otherwise with the service provided — Members opposite touched on these in their earlier contributions — aspects such as dealing efficiently, courteously and comprehensively with patients, showing sensitivity to their requirements. These aspects will also be evaluated through regular consumer or patient surveys.

The third principle is accountability. The strategy sets out new arrangements for improved legal and financial accountability. But it goes far beyond that — it sets out a new approach to the provision of health care under which everyone providing a service knows what is required of them and accepts responsibility for the achievement of agreed objectives.

This principle is especially important in the context of the necessary reorganisation of health structures. The strategy sets out the decisions the Government has made in relation to structures which will be followed by the necessary legislation.

The strategy document is in two parts. The first part is the strategy proper — five chapters explain how the system will be reshaped to bring about the necessary transformation in accordance with the principles which I have described. The second part is a four-year action plan which itemises the detail of what will be achieved in each individual service.

The objective and targets set out in the strategy and the action plan do not deal merely with service developments. They also deal with the importance of focusing our health promotion policies on tackling the main causes of illness and premature death. There are very significant potential reductions in the extent of illness and premature mortality if we can, as a community, adopt the appropriate preventive measures. A cohesive programme to bring this about is included in the strategy.

I intend this document to be the working agenda for everyone in the health services from today on. Its implementation will take account of the views and ideas which emerge in response to it. It contains an explicit invitation to all interested parties to consider and debate the strategy and its implications for all of us.

The strategy sets out broad principles and objectives, but these will have to be translated into detailed plans at national and at local level. I want to see the widest possible participation in this process.

In summary, the strategy is a landmark document which sets out objectives for the health services to achieve, structures to achieve them and mechanisms to measure progress. I am very encouraged by the extremely positive response it has received so far from a wide range of groups and commentators both within and without the health services. This augurs well for the task which now lies ahead — the reshaping and development of our services in order to overcome the weaknesses by building on its undoubted strengths.

I want to focus now on one specific section of the strategy, that dealing with women's health. I do not agree with the view expressed opposite that we should compartmentalise our health services, that we should look at women's health in isolation from everything else, or that we should look at one aspect of women's health only. That is why I spent so long working on a national policy. That is why I introduced my remarks this evening by focusing on that national policy.

The strategy identifies the need for a policy which is based on a comprehensive view of women and the issues that affect their health. At present, health services for women are organised by function. There is no framework to provide unified objectives or common approaches.

The strategy sets out the major elements which now underlie Government policy on women's health. These objectives include the following: to ensure that women's health needs are identified and planned for in a comprehensive way; to ensure that women receive the health and welfare services that they need at the right time and in a way that respects their dignity and individuality, with ease of access and continuity of care; to promote greater consultation with women about their health and welfare needs, at national, regional and local levels and to promote within the health services greater participation by women both in the more senior positions and at the representative levels.

I now want to turn to the issue of cancer and particularly breast cancer. I am determined that I will do everything I can, as Minister for Health, to reduce the incidence of cancer in Ireland. In the health strategy document which I recently launched I have set a medium-term target to reduce the death rate from cancer in the under-65 age group by 15 per cent in the next ten years. The strategy sets out a number of action programmes designed to achieve this target. The increasing number of deaths from lung cancer among women is an area of particular concern to me, the number not so much fewer than the number of deaths from breast cancer, which is frightening and worrying.

Increasing deaths among women from tobacco-induced disease reflects the great growth in smoking among women since the fifties. Smoking is a major causative factor in up to 90 per cent of deaths from lung cancer. Deaths from lung cancer have been increasing as a proportion of all cancer deaths among women. In Ireland, a total of 500 women died from lung cancer in 1992.

Over the last few years the health promotion unit of my Department has been particularly concerned with tackling the very worrying upward trend in the number of women smoking in this country. The unit has launched anti-smoking campaigns and other initiatives specifically targeted at women. The unit would be anxious to enlist the support of women's groups in its efforts in this area.

Despite the advances made in chemotherapy, radiotherapy and surgery which have revolutionised cancer care, cancer is an illness which retains its power to inspire fear and distress. Many cancer patients and those close to them, feel a sense of powerlessness in the face of this terrible illness. This is, perhaps, because of the severity of the symptoms associated with some cancers and its ability to spread and attack healthy tissue. As Minister for Health I am extremely conscious of this. I am very aware of the particular anxieties felt by women regarding breast cancer.

Increasing emphasis is being placed on early detection and the prevention of illness where possible. The European Union has made the fight against cancer and the value of prevention an integral part of its health policy. This initiative has developed in tandem with increased health awareness and health promotion in this country. Few of us now remain unaware of the links between diet, smoking and lifestyle with heart disease and cancer. Unfortunately, the causes are less clear in the case of breast cancer. Hereditary factors, diet, alcohol and late first pregnancies have all been mentioned as being possible among the influences which can increase the risk of breast cancer.

While mortality from breast cancer is not separately identified in published Eurostat data, World Health Organisation statistics based on age-standardised data indicate — and this is important — that breast cancer mortality rates are lower in Ireland than in the United Kingdom or Holland, the only two European Union countries that have national screening programmes.

In terms of establishing breast cancer incidence levels in Ireland, the new national cancer registry — which I opened in Cork in January — will enable us to provide accurate and comprehensive statistics on national incidence levels of breast cancer. In the meantime, we can avail of data on incidence levels from the southern tumour registry which is the most reliable database available in the country. In fact most countries do not have a national registry but rely instead on local registers such as the southern tumour registry.

The much publicised claim that Ireland has the highest incidence rate of breast cancer in Europe is misleading and inaccurate. In fact, using age-standardised data from the southern tumour registry. Ireland ranks fifth within the European Union in terms of incidence levels behind Holland, Luxembourg, Belgium and Denmark. I give this fact purely and safely for the sake of accuracy, not to underscore in any way the terrible seriousness of the problem.

As I mentioned earlier, unlike lung cancer, with its well documented links with smoking, the causes of breast cancer remain to be clearly established. Because it is not possible to say how breast cancer can be prevented, emphasis is placed on early detection at the pre-invasive stage, through mammography and consequent early treatment.

At present in Ireland mammography is used largely for symptomatic or worried women on referral by their general practitioner, consultant or through their local breast clinic. There are now diagnostic units at 17 hospitals throughout the country and expertise has been growing in all aspects of the early detection of breast cancer and its treatment.

Mammography screening involves the carrying out of mammography on a mass population basis. All Deputies who contributed said mammography was available to all those who want it. I agree with that statement. A national screening programme is quite different, it reaches out to all women, many of whom will never otherwise present themselves for screening. We have to work out mechanisms to have the most effective means of early detection.

It may be helpful to outline briefly some of the general principles which are considered necessary to underpin a successful screening programme. One of these is that the natural history of the disease should be well understood. Another is that there should be a suitable screening test and one which is acceptable to the population to be screened. Another essential factor in the success of such a screening programme is a high and consistent participation rate among the population to be screened. The absence of a national population register in Ireland makes the implementation of a national screening programme all the more difficult.

There is considerable debate and discussion internationally regarding the effectiveness of mammography screening programmes in reducing mortality from breast cancer. Our objective must be to reduce mortality rates.

The United Kingdom and the Netherlands are the only two EU countries which have organised national screening programmes specifically for women aged between 50 and 64 years. There is general agreement that mammography screening programmes are not effective in reducing mortality in younger women. Unfortunately, women aged over 65 have proved reluctant to come forward for screening.

Critics of mass population mammography screening programmes consider that not enough is known about the natural history of the disease and how it should be treated. Mammography is technically difficult to carry out and requires a high level of professional expertise.

Screening does not reach an absolute conclusion on the presence or absence of disease. It does not give a definitive yes or no but merely divides the screened women into test negatives or test positives for further investigation, if necessary. It is essential that the number of false negatives — I know the Deputy will appreciate this point — and false positives is kept to an absolute minimum, both to avoid unnecessary further investigation which can be traumatic for women and also to prevent women who test negative falsely from being lulled into a false sense of security. Standards of excellence in both the mammography equipment used and the staff carrying out the technique are therefore critical to its effectiveness. In a well organised mammographic screening programme, women must be invited to come for a mammogram at specific intervals. As I mentioned earlier, the test must also be acceptable to the population to be screened since a reluctance to come forward for screening or to accept an invitation to be screened will jeopardise the success of the programme.

Since the probability of developing breast cancer increases with age, screening needs to be repeated at regular intervals. The optimum interval between repeated screens has not yet been agreed by doctors. We must be aware of, and guard against, any potential hazards such as any danger associated with ionising radiation and unnecessary biopsy operations in women with false positive results.

Before proceeding with a national screening programme for women aged 50-64 years, it is imperative that the benefits to be derived from a well-organised screening programme are carefully and fully assessed. It is vital that expertise is gathered on how best to organise and manage a screening programme. For these reasons, my Department is supporting a major breast cancer screening programme currently underway at the Mater Foundation. This programme — the Eccles breast screening programme — is one of a network of pilot schemes which are at present underway in seven countries within the European Union. The other countries are Belgium, France, Spain, Portugal, Greece and Italy.

The Irish pilot programme covers a defined catchment area of north Dublin and Cavan-Monaghan. All women in the catchment area aged between 50 and 64 years are eligible to attend. Screening is provided free of charge. The Eccles programme has established itself as one of the leading European pilot programmes. The key factors in its success are common to all successful programmes, namely a centralised screening programme, having proper regard to quality assurance mechanisms, with strong clinical leadership and trained and dedicated radiological, epidemiological and radiographical support.

The Eccles breast screening programme is the first of its kind undertaken in Ireland. As indicated in the new health strategy — Shaping a Healthier Future — national policy to be followed in this area will be guided and influenced by the information we gain from this programme by the end of the year. My objective in breast screening is to put in place whatever mechanisms are required to reduce mortality from this terrible cancer.

I wish to deal with the action taken and proposed in relation to the identification, counselling and treatment of women and their families who have tested positive for hepatitis C arising from the Anti D immunoglobulin product. The Blood Transfusion Service Board informed me on 17 February 1994 that evidence had emerged that there was a possible link between the product Anti D immunoglobulin and heapatisis C. The board made arrangements to change the product and this took place on Friday, 18 February 1994. It has introduced a new virally inactivated product which has been supplied to all hospitals. I have already outlined publicly the importance of Anti D immunoglobulin and I say this in reference to Deputy Durkan's remark. This is a huge breakthrough for women to allow them to have babies. Many hundreds of children have come into this world because of the availability of Anti D. There are many women who if given the choice now would take the risk of Anti D in order to have a healthy child.

The same treatment is applied worldwide.

Its importance cannot be overstated and that is something which has been made clear to me from all my contacts with women.

The hepatitis C virus was first described in 1989. The question of introducing a screening test for hepatitis C for donations nationally had been considered in 1989 and in 1990. During this period the Blood Transfusion Service Board and the Department of Health examined the possibility of introducing such a test. However, a review of international practices and discussions with medical experts abroad revealed that there was insufficient scientific information about the test to approve its routine introduction. The position was carefully monitored and when the test was considered sufficiently reliable it was introduced in Ireland. This occurred in 1991 at the same time as this screening was introduced in the UK. Cost was not the determining factor in the timing of the introduction of such tests and, in fact, £1 million for hepatitis C testing by the Blood Transfusion Service Board has been approved to date.

When the possible link between the Anti D product and hepatitis C was brought to my attention, my immediate concerns were the protection of all future recipients of Anti D immunoglobulin, the identification of any risk, however small, for any mothers who received the Anti D immunoglobulin product in the past and the provision of counselling and treatment for women who test positive for hepatitis C.

The Blood Transfusion Service Board has announced its intention to follow up all of the mothers, as far as is practicable, who may have been at risk of contracting hepatitis C from the Anti D immunoglobulin product. A special public awareness campaign was launched to inform the public as to the possible risks. This campaign will continue until every woman who wants to be tested has received a test. The board estimate that 60,000 women received the Anti D product from 1970 to 17 February 1994.

I have been informed by the Blood Transfusion Service Board that the number who have been screened for hepatitis C antibodies under their hepatitis C / Anti D screening programme is 48,358 and that the number who have tested positive in this preliminary testing is 893 up to and including yesterday, 26 April 1994. A further confirmatory test is being carried out on the blood samples given by these women and I have been informed by the Blood Transfusion Service Board that the indications now emerging are that a greater number are now proving to be negative.

I have also been informed by the Blood Transfusion Service Board that there are some encouraging signs emerging with regard to the results of the liver biopsies carried out to date; however, it is too early to say what the final overall outcome will be.

I would like to emphasise that all women who were administered with Anti D are being requested to avail of the nationwide free blood testing service by the Blood Transfusion Service Board. Expenditure totalling £1 million has been incurred by the Blood Transfusion Service Board on the national blood screening programme since last February. In addition, I have approved expenditure up to a total of £1.8 million by the hospitals involved in the treatment of those who test positive for hepatitis C antibodies. Anti D was introduced in 1970 and the object of the campaign is to advise all women who have had Anti D from 1970 up to the 17 February 1994 to come forward for testing.

The Blood Transfusion Service Board has informed me that in the five year period 1975-79, 90 per cent of those who received Anti D have presented for testing. In the five year periods 1970-74 and 1985-89, 75 per cent of those who have received the Anti D have presented to date for testing. In the five year period 1980-84 70 per cent have presented. However, in the period 1990-93 only 60 per cent of those who received Anti D have come forward. I urge these people to come forward immediately.

Screening of children and-or partners of women who test positive for hepatitis C has also commenced. This is being carried out in consultation with the three children's hospitals in Dublin and paediatric units at Cork and Galway. Women who test positive for hepatitis C are being offered screening for their children and partners by the Blood Transfusion Service Board who are making arrangements for the test to be carried out.

Counselling by medical counsellors is provided at the Blood Transfusion Service Board headquarters in Dublin, at the regional centre in Cork and at a number of other centres nationwide.

Counselling is available to those who have tested positive for hepatitis C anti-bodies. Many women are counselled by their general practitioner, but women may be referred by their general practitioners for counselling by the medical counsellor at the Blood Transfusion Service Board or may themselves elect to attend the medical counsellors at the Blood Transfusion Service Board. Further counselling is also offered if the confirmatory test is also positive.

Treatment for those who test positive for hepatitis C antibodies is being provided at the following hospitals: St. Vincent's Hospital, Dublin; Beaumont Hospital, Dublin; Mater Hospital, Dublin; St. James's Hospital, Dublin; Cork Regional Hospital and University College Hospital, Galway.

The treatment initially involves an outpatient visit at a special consultant staffed clinic which may be followed by a short admission for clinical investigation and follow-up treatment, if required. The treatment, including the provision of Interferon, if prescribed by clinicians, will be provided by the public hospital service free of charge.

I am concerned to ensure that public confidence in the Blood Transfusion Service Board remains high. Since its foundation the board has provided an essential service to thousands of Irish people. It is a service on which our health service relies daily. In view of the crucial importance of maintaining the highest possible standards for blood and blood products I am determined to take whatever action is necessary to ensure the highest possible safety standards.

I announced on 4 March last the establishment of an expert group to examine and report to me on all circumstances surrounding this issue and any other matter relevant to the maintenance of high standards. If the expert group finds any cause for concern in respect of any other aspect of the systems in place in the Blood Transfusion Service Board, it is being asked to look at that.

I am very pleased with the screening and treatment programmes being undertaken by the Blood Transfusion Service Board and the hospitals respectively. I am getting a very positive feedback from people who have availed of the services. I know it is very difficult to carry out such a mass screening programme, it is probably unprecedented. My immediate reaction was to give everybody information. I know some people did not want that and wanted it rationed out to different categories of people: general practitioners first and the general public afterwards. That is not my style and I decided on complete openness from the beginning.

It has worked.

I stress the importance for all women who received Anti D at anytime to come forward for testing, which will be carried out free of charge.

Any objective assessment will show that my commitment, and that of the Government, to the provision of an equitable and effective health service has been borne out by the publication of the national health strategy, and that women, as with all users of the services, will benefit greatly as a result.

I have indicated the action that is being taken in relation to cancer, and particularly in relation to breast cancer. This problem is being taken very seriously by the Government and, as indicated in the health strategy, the measures to tackle it will be implemented in the light of the results of the programmes I outlined to the House.

As regards the link between the Anti D product and hepatitis C, I indicated clearly the actions taken and proposed in relation to the identification, counselling and treatment of women who have tested positive and their families. These actions show the Government's willingness to face up, openly and rapidly, to problems that may emerge and this will continue to be my approach so long as I am Minister for Health.

I commend the amendment to the House.

Will the Chair clarify the time remaining as I was told at the outset I had only ten minutes?

There are 15 minutes remaining and the debate will adjourn at 8.30 p.m.

I understand the Progressive Democrats Party has 20 minutes. Will the additional time be given to a party spokesperson next week?

I understand that it was agreed to share the 30 minutes time slot between the Progressive Democrats Party and the Fine Gael Party but, perhaps, that matter can be sorted out later. The Deputy has 15 minutes.

The Progressive Democrats Party support this motion. Having listened to the debate there seems to be a disparity in the statistics and it has been disputed whether Irish women top the European Union league of deaths from cancer. I do not think that is the issue. Whatever the statistics, far too many Irish women die from breast cancer every year. That is the issue to which we must address public health policy.

I was comparing the statistics in countries that have screening programmes with those that have not.

Far too many women die and that must stir us to examine our public health policy as it relates to women. I pay tribute to the Irish Country Women's Association who have thrown down the gauntlet to the Minister and all of us and forced us to confront the issue in an unprecedented manner.

They are calling specifically for a national programme for mass screening for all women in the highest risk age group, that is women in the age group 50 to 64 years. In the circumstances that is a reasonable and well thought out request. It was only last Wednesday that the Minister and I debated this issue on the Adjourment and I do not think either of us anticipated that it would re-emerged so quickly. Nonetheless it is worth spending more time and giving more thought to this issue.

I will be repeating what I said a week ago. I urge the Minister to take note of the Irish Country Women's Association request and respond positively with the minimum of delay.

Breast cancer presents one of the major unsolved problems in medicine today. It is by far the most common form of cancer in women. The average Irish woman has a chance of 1:11 of developing breast cancer during her life time. It is the second most common cause of death in women aged between 25 and 34 years. In middle aged women it is the most common cause of death. More than half of the deaths in women aged between 50 and 64 are from breast cancer. Last year 660 Irish women died because of breast cancer, a horrendous figure. Women confronted with this problem experience anxiety and anguish and it is a terrible heartbreak for families when a young mother dies. It cannot be quantified but must never be ignored.

The years 25 to 34 are the major child bearing years and the mother is badly needed in the home. The middle years are the major years for rearing children. When one considers the anguish and the havoc in the home on the death of a mother at any time one can appreciate the difficulties it causes in the middle years. We must pursue all steps open to us to ensure that as many lives as possible are saved. It follows that all steps open to us in terms of public health policy must be pursued vigorously. There is ample evidence that the earlier the disease is diagnosed the greater the likelihood of successful treatment leading to a cure. A properly designed national screening programme is a key element in this respect. We have been informed by the experts in this field that such a programme could improve survival rates by as much as 33 per cent in women in the 50 to 64 age group; in other words, the lives of a sizeable number of women could be saved.

In respect of women under 50 — another high risk group — I understand that screening is not very effective. Yet, a huge number of women in this age group die from cancer. We must confront that issue.

In his comprehensive and promising health strategy published last week the Minister puts forward the concept of a vastly enhanced role for the general practitioner. Younger women should be advised, if not required, as a matter of policy to have a breast examination by their general practitioner twice yearly. This ought to form part of a public health service. They should also be encouraged consistently by their general practitioner to carry out this examination themselves based on the principle that early detection leads to a cure.

We must provide more money for research to establish the causes of cancer. There must be some reason more women are dying from cancer today than 20 years ago. Is this due to diet, some other environmental factor or a combination of factors? The Minister should make sufficient moneys available — this would be a good investment — to enable research to be carried out. Prevention and early detection must be the passwords.

I am advocating that we adopt a three pronged approach: a national screening programme as requested by the ICA, a programme to be implemented by general practitioners aimed at early detection in respect of women under 50 and additional funds for research. I do not have time to develop any of these points.

It is a pity that the two issues dealt with in the motion are being taken together as each would merit a full debate. In relation to the second issue a number of practical problems have arisen and I appeal to the Minister to address them as a matter of urgency.

It has come to my notice that women have to confront a range of obstacles, one of which is the policy of the VHI which refuses to provide cover for women who have tested positive for hepatitis C. This is a scandal. It is unacceptable that these women will not be covered under their VHI plan and it constitutes a gratuitous additional burden. I call on the Minister to intervene and direct the VHI to offer cover when it is sought. As the only shareholder in the VHI, he has the authority to do this and I call on him to exercise it. Previous Ministers in similar situations stepped in and ordered the VHI to act when they saw that such action was essential and desirable.

During a previous debate in this House the Minister promised priority treatment but this is not happening. It is not good enough that many of these women who are very worried face long delays for treatment. The Minister will have to take all the steps open to him to ensure the promises he made at the time are not broken.

A number of women who have tested positive believe that the counselling provided is inadequate. I have been informed that there is an unwillingness to provide even the most basic information. I know of women who have not yet received a copy of the blood test result. This is a disgrace and falls short of the full and frank disclosure promised by Dr. Walsh of the Blood Transfusion Service Board and confirmed by the Minister in the House.

I have been reliably informed that there are unnecessary delays in liver biopsy testing, which is also unacceptable. Delays may have been inevitable in the early days but there is now no justification for them. I am aware that the process is cumbersome and ought to be streamlined. I know of one woman undergoing interferon treatment who feels she is being sent from pillar to post. She has to visit the health board to obtain a script and return to the hospital to receive a month's supply of interferon and needles.

That happened in one case.

It is one case too many. I will give the Minister the details——

It will not happen again.

Is the Minister giving me that assurance?

Absolutely. I have the details.

That is unacceptable and must be condemned.

As the Minister is probably aware, an action group has been set up to help women who are experiencing a sense of fear, isolation and frustration in securing their rights. The Minister should ensure that this action group receives the support and co-operation of the Blood Transfusion Service Board. It is my information that this is not forthcoming. The Minister should provide resources to help this group achieve its aims and ambitions.

The implementation of the promises made when this issue was raised in the House was not monitored. If it had these sloppy practices would not have been allowed. The Minister should address these three key issues.

Debate adjourned.
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