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Dáil Éireann debate -
Wednesday, 5 Apr 1995

Vol. 451 No. 6

Ceisteanna—Questions. Oral Answers. - Local Loans Fund.

Martin Cullen

Question:

15 Mr. Cullen asked the Minister for Finance the proposals, if any, he has for the sale of the local loans fund, in whole or in part; whether the portfolio will be sold to the Housing Finance Agency, the National Treasury Management Agency or to a private institution; the criteria which will be used to assemble the portfolio; the annual income which will be lost to the State; the way in which such income is used at present; the reason he is prepared to breach the 6 per cent ceiling on non-capital supply services; if the 2 per cent increase in real terms for 1996/1997 will also be breached; and if he will make a statement on the matter. [7038/95]

Noel Dempsey

Question:

40 Mr. Dempsey asked the Minister for Finance when the Government decided to capitalise the local loans funds; the Government decision number which applies in this case; and the date of that decision. [6372/95]

I propose to take Questions Nos. 15 and 40 together.

The judgment of the High Court in relation to the entitlements of women under the Equal Treatment Directive was delivered on 3 February this year. The Government announced recently that it was accepting the judgment and we committed ourselves to paying the £260 million involved as quickly as possible, given that these payments are legally due. In the current year payments to the women affected will amount to approximately £200 million.

As I have already provided £60 million towards the cost of such payments in the budget, further expenditure this year will be limited to £140 million. I propose to finance this additional expenditure from the proceeds of the disposal of a portion of the local loans fund loan portfolio. Sales of these assets will be limited to the amount needed to cover the additional Exchequer cost arising from the decision to accept the court judgment.

The local loans fund is a statutory fund under the control of the Minister for Finance. It has assets of about £550 million, of which £490 million are fixed rate loans made to local authorities which the authorities used to advance mortgage loans to persons who satisfied a means test. The local authorities make capital and interest payments on these loans to the fund twice a year. Almost all of these loans were made prior to 1 July 1986 and since then most of the capital required by local authorities to finance their mortgage lending activities has been provided by the Housing Finance Agency at variable rates of interest.

Two avenues for disposal of part of the assets of the fund are being examined at present. One would involve a securitisation by the National Treasury Management Agency and the other would be by the activation of section 15 of the Housing (Miscellaneous Provisions) Act, 1992 which allows the sale of local loans fund assets to the Housing Finance Agency. The comparative merits of each course are being examined at present by officials in my Department who are being advised by the two agencies. I expect to make a decision on the route to be followed in relation to the sale of the assets in the near future.

The income from the local loans fund forms part of the general receipts into the Exchequer. The extent of loss of income to the State, if any, will depend on the route to be followed in relation to the sale of the local loans fund assets and the timing of the sale.

The increase in current Government spending underlying the budget was 5.8 per cent. The increase of £140 million in spending to which I have already referred will result in the increase in 1995 current spending compared with 1994 being 7.1 per cent. However, as the additional spending now envisaged is exceptional and once-off, it will not be taken into account in determining the 2 per cent target for non-capital spending in 1996 and 1997.

When I addressed the question of providing the resources to pay the legally determined entitlements of married women to social welfare equality payments in my 1995 Budget Statement, I indicated that "should it prove necessary to spend more on these exceptional payments this year, there are funding possibilities open to me through the disposal of State assets". I also stated that "my target for the EBR would not then be increased by making further payments" and that "the assets I will consider disposing of are not in commercial semi-State bodies". The assets I was referring to were, of course, the loans made by the Exchequer to the local authorities via the local loans fund, which were in turn used by the local authorities for their mortgage lending activities.

As my Budget Statement sets out the Government's budgetary and economic policy, its contents, including the extracts from it which I have just quoted, have the unequivocal support of the entire Government.

Lest there be any misunderstanding, my party is not opposed to the payment of the outstanding money to the women concerned. The Minister put great emphasis on the equality payments and I do not want anyone to think this party is questioning the right of those entitled to that money to receive it. I am questioning the way the Minister proposes to raise the funds. There are two clear options: to sell it to the private sector to raise the money or to allow the Exchequer to borrow the money, increasing the public sector borrowing requirement for this year. Which of those options will be taken?

I would have thought my reply was self-explanatory. I intend to dispose of a certain amount of assets within the local loans fund, which will raise approximately £140 million and will help make up the total amount of £200 million required this year. We are talking about the disposal of assets, not extra borrowing. I made that very clear in my budget speech and I have repeated the precise quotation from the Budget Statement of 8 February.

To whom will the Minister sell the fund? Will the privatise it?

The answer to that question cannot be given because the exact route — by way of section 15 of the Housing (Miscellaneous Provisions) Act, 1992, through the Housing Finance Agency, or alternatively by way of securitisation through the National Treasury Management Agency — has not been determined, but there will not be extra borrowing.

Will the assets be sold in the State or is the Minister considering selling them to an interest outside the country? Does he accept that if he takes the route of the Housing Finance Agency he is simply trying to hide the fact that further borrowing is required, but rather than the figures showing up under the Exchequer borrowing requirement they will appear under the public sector borrowing requirement?

It would be preferable in the overall strategic management of the nation's finances, if the assets were retained by Irish rather than foreign holders. The disposal of the assets will not affect the Exchequer borrowing requirement. I am determined to ensure that whatever route we ultimately choose, a number of factors will be taken into account but the dominant factor for evaluation will be the effect on the Exchequer borrowing requirement. I am committed to, and figures published yesterday confirm we are on target this year for, an Exchequer borrowing requirement of 2.4 per cent and I do not intend to do anything that will alter that figure.

The Minister is trying to be clever. We know he does not wish to alter the Exchequer borrowing requirement as that would give rise to concern in the marketplace. That was stated by the Minister's officials at the committee meeting on this matter. If the Minister takes the route of the Housing Finance Agency he will simply transfer the borrowing to another area, but it will be ultimately part of total borrowing. He did not answer my questions on the present income from the local loans fund, how that income is being dispersed by the State and what will the position be in the event that part of the fund is to be solid. When will we receive answers to those questions? There is a possibility that these assets will be sold outside the State. Will the Minister clarify that the option of these assets being sold outside the State still exists although it is not a preference?

The Deputy, in his assertions as much as in his questions, has indicated the desirability of taking the National Treasury Management Agency route as distinct from the Housing Finance Agency route.

I have not.

The Deputy has clearly made that point. In so far as I have choices, they will be dominated by my commitment to ensure the Exchequer borrowing requirement does not exceed the target set.

That is optical.

It is not at all optical. I am constrained by time in answering the question but I will be happy to answer any additional questions the Deputy puts down. On the question of when we will make the decision, it is currently under active consideration and it will be made fairly soon. It will not be possible to make these payments before July this year for administrative and procedural reasons. There is provision for £60 million in the Estimates and therefore there is not any pressure to make the decision to have the money in place to meet the commitments made. I am taking the time available to me to ensure I make the right decision.

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