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Dáil Éireann debate -
Thursday, 11 May 1995

Vol. 452 No. 7

Adjournment Debate. - Control of Horses in Urban Areas.

Thank you, Sir, for allowing me to raise this matter on the Adjournment. I appreciate that the Minister has come in to respond.

The problem of wandering horses in urban areas is very serious and often not appreciated by those living outside the main urban centres. Sometimes people have a romantic idea about horses, akin to the film "Into the West" which included romantic scenes of traveller children riding horses bareback across the green areas between high rise apartment blocks in the Dublin suburbs and eventually leaving the city. That appears romantic, but in reality there is nothing romantic about wandering horses. I want to make it clear that those horses do not belong to travellers because sometimes people believe they do. I am referring to the problem in urban areas, principally in Dublin, where horses are often owned by children and teenagers who have dropped out of school. Their young owners, get a great thrill riding their horses, but they pose a serious threat in many urban areas, principally in Dublin.

In recent months those animals have caused a number of injuries to motorists and pedestrians. Many of us who live in Dublin have encountered that problem when driving through housing estates where horses on open spaces frequently run out in front of cars or pedestrians. The problem of wandering horses kept on open spaces in housing estates and often in the backyards of ordinary houses has been brought to my attention by many of my constituents.

For many Dublin children owning a horse has become something of a status symbol. I am aware of instances where such horses have been used in crime and drug dealing. The ability of people on horseback to make their getaway makes life difficult for gardaí as it is virtually impossible to pursue them. On one level that may be considered amusing, but for people living in these areas it is a serious problem.

Those horses, with few exceptions, are not properly looked after. They are often kept in unsuitable conditions, tethered to trees and railings, in public open spaces and sometimes kept in the backyard of the owners' houses. Those horses are often in bad condition when purchased and we need to pay closer attention to the Smithfield horse fair which is held on a monthly basis. Many of the horses on sale there are not in good condition, and very often are sold to young people who know very little about caring for them and who keep them in unsuitable conditions. There is much to be learned about the cruelty aspect. There have been many cases of serious abuse and the Dublin Society for the Prevention of Cruelty to Animals has called for immediate action on this problem.

The problems presented in terms of public safety are obvious. Much good environmental work undertaken at community level by members of residents' associations and so on is being undermined by these horses destroying cultivated areas. However, my main concern is the lawlessness such wandering horses represent, exacerbating problems in many housing estates. While the Minister indicated that he is preparing a Bill I must ask that it be expedited because it is a serious problem in the Dublin area warranting urgent attention. In the interim, he should investigate the existing powers of the Garda and local authorities which can be used to great effect.

I thank Deputy Shortall for raising this matter in which she has an obvious deep understanding and is of great concern to her.

I am aware that the problems caused by wandering horses in urban areas, and particularly in parts of Dublin, have increased significantly in recent years. I am also well aware of the concern expressed by many Members of the Oireachtas, local authorities and the general public at the hazards posed by these animals, the threat to public safety and the damage being caused to property. Therefore, I can readily sympathise with the feelings of frustration which this topic has generated. There is also a welfare dimension to be considered, as many of these animals bear obvious signs of neglect and ill-treatment and are frequently subjected to serious abuse.

On the specific issue of cruelty to horses, I would point out that legislation already in place — the Protection of Animals Acts, 1911 and 1965 — deals with cruelty to all animals, including horses. These Acts are the principal statutes governing cruelty to animals here. They are enforced by the Garda and provide for penalties in the form of fines or imprisonment as appropriate. Any person with information about abuse or cruelty to animals should contact the Garda in the matter. The House will be aware that an order was made last year which doubled the potential fine for cruelty from £500 to £1,000.

On straying horses, I should mention that the Animals Act, 1985, administered by the Department of Justice, includes provisions for increased powers for local authorities and the Garda to impound wandering horses together with increased fines for allowing horses to be turned loose and to wander on the public road. It also abolished the immunity of owners/occupiers of land adjoining the public road in relation to damage caused by their animals straying on to the public road.

Notwithstanding the foregoing, I accept that problems persist and we need to adopt additional measures to control horses in urban areas. Therefore, I am pleased that as provided for in the programme A Government of Renewal, I will be introducing legislation to seek to address the remaining difficulties. My Department has commenced consultations with a view to the early drafting of the necessary legislation. Among the options being considered are the compulsory licensing and identification of horses; a ban on the sale of horses to minors; the disposal of horses where they have been repeatedly confiscated by local authorities and the recovery in full of confiscation costs. Issues such as grazing and stabling of horses are among those which need to be addressed, as well as the questions of liability, penalties and related matters.

As the issues involved extend beyond the traditional role of my Department and impinge on other areas, I have been in touch with my counterparts in Justice and the Environment as well as the Garda Síochána, Dublin Corporation and South Dublin County Council with a view to expediting examination of all the issues involved and developing comprehensive proposals to deal with them. My Department has also written to every county council and to the corporations of larger towns requesting their views and recommendations. I shall consider all relevant issues in this matter. I would welcome views and comments from all interested parties on the topic to assist in completing the draft. It is my hope, fully realising its urgency, the relevant Bill will be ready for the autumn session.

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