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Dáil Éireann debate -
Wednesday, 3 Jun 1998

Vol. 491 No. 6

Other Questions. - Nuclear Waste.

Eamon Gilmore

Question:

23 Mr. Gilmore asked the Minister for Public Enterprise if her attention has been drawn to the recent decision of the German authorities to halt all shipments of nuclear waste, including those going to Sellafield, following the disclosure that shipments of nuclear waste leaving Germany were excessively radioactive; if the implications of this have been considered by the ministerial committee on nuclear safety; the number of occasions on which the committee has met since its first meeting in February 1998; and if she will make a statement on the matter. [12748/98]

Brendan Howlin

Question:

28 Mr. Howlin asked the Minister for Public Enterprise if the ministerial committee on nuclear safety has met since its first meeting on 5 February 1998; and if she will make a statement on the matter. [12867/98]

I propose to answer Questions Nos. 23 and 28 together.

The ministerial committee on nuclear safety held its second meeting on 6 May. At that meeting, the committee adopted a work programme encompassing a range of nuclear safety and radiological protection issues including the campaign against Sellafield.

The main activities under the work programme would come within the area of responsibility of my Department and the Radiological Protection Institute of Ireland. However, the broad based composition of the committee will ensure an effective input, where relevant, of other Government Departments into the implementation of the programme. As appropriate, the committee will review progress of the implementation of the work programme with a view to ensuring its effective implementation.

In addition to issues directly relating to the Government's ongoing campaign against Sellafield and the UK nuclear industry generally, the committee's work programme will include a review of the national emergency plan for nuclear accidents, issues arising in regard to the County Louth residents' legal action against BNFL, a review of radon remediation measures and progress in regard to implementation of the EU Basic Safety Standards Directive.

The committee did not consider the recent ban on shipments of nuclear waste to the reprocessing plants at La Hague in France and at Sellafield as this issue arose after the committee last met. I was concerned to learn that a number of containers arriving at both plants were found to have radiation levels in excess of the acceptable limits.

I understand the German Federal Government has introduced a series of actions to deal with the problem including an investigation into the contamination, the introduction of a better reporting system, an improvement in technical measures and a ban on any further shipments until the transport system has been reorganised.

It is essential that the highest levels of safety are enforced in the transport of radioactive materials. I have been assured by the Radiological Protection Institute of Ireland that the incident is of no radiological significance to Ireland. Nevertheless, I am concerned about the dangers associated with the transport of nuclear fuel which have been highlighted by this incident and my Department will raise this matter at a meeting of the UK/Ireland Contact Group on radioactivity and nuclear safety matters tomorrow.

On a point of order, in her reply to the previous question the Minister may have inadvertently misled the House when she stated that she read a letter into the record.

I cannot deal with a point of order at this stage. I will take it at the conclusion of our deliberations on Questions Nos. 23 and 28.

Is the Deputy referring to John O'Neill's letter.

Yes, but the Minister referred to a different letter from John O'Neill.

Therefore, I did not mislead the House in a major way.

The Minister referred to a completely different letter.

When will the ministerial committee meet again? Will the Minister of State publish the programme of work agreed by the committee on 6 May? Does that programme include any action relating to the transportation of nuclear and irradiated materials through the Irish Sea, particularly in light of the fact that the German authorities recently concluded that it is unsafe to transport nuclear waste? How many shipments of nuclear waste are transported via the Irish Sea? What action does the Government propose to take to have such shipments banned and to bring the transportation of nuclear waste on the Irish Sea into line with the ban on the transport on nuclear waste imposed in Germany, from whence a great deal of such waste originates?

The Deputy asked a number of questions and I will endeavour to answer them. As he is aware, the committee met on two occasions in the past three months.

Twelve months.

I have not decided when the committee will meet again. However, we may meet during the current session which would bring the total number of meetings to three.

The committee set out an extensive work programme.

Does the Minister of State intend to publish it?

I will inform the Deputy about the programme in due course.

The Deputy can obtain what he requires under the Freedom of Information Act.

The committee's work programme will be broadly based. Apart from the ongoing campaign against Sellafield and the other matters listed in my original reply, the committee will discuss issues such as the project sponsored by the Department of Health and Children on epidemiological research relating to the impact of Sellafield in the North Eastern Health Board area and initiatives taken by the Department of the Marine and Natural Resources in respect of the transport of radioactive waste on the Irish Sea. As chairman of the committee I will review, with fellow members, the matters in respect of which we can make a positive contribution.

The committee set out a comprehensive programme of work, details of which I will be glad to make available to the Deputy. As already stated, the programme will include the campaign against Sellafield and all it entails, discharge authorisations, Magnox reactors, HLW storage and the transport of spent fuels on the Irish Sea. It will also include a review of our progress on BNFL's application to the UK Environment Agency on the justification for a new MOX plant. The EU inspectorate for nuclear facilities will also be considered. There is a wide range of activities, including the issue of the transportation of nuclear waste in the Irish Sea. We will be dealing with the various aspects of the OSPAR convention, the International Atomic Energy Agency and international conventions.

We will also consider the County Louth residents' court action, nuclear liability and basic safety standards. We will review progress on the implementation of the EU Directive 96/29 EUR-ATOM and other directives. We will be dealing with radon on an ongoing basis. Other items in the work programme will be emergency planning and the draft Ireland-UK bilateral agreement on the exchange of information on radiological protection.

I do not have information on the number of shipments thus far but I will endeavour to get it for the Deputy.

I am reminded of the old saying "You never ring, you never write". Will the Minister of State agree that there has been a dearth of activity in his Department on nuclear safety? It started with the scrapping of the radon grants scheme introduced by the previous Government——

The Deputy should be brief.

Will he agree that downplaying the public campaign against Sellafield and related nuclear dangers since he took office has had the effect of letting the British off the hook? In a situation where Sellafield is leaking like a sieve and enough atomic fuel was stolen from Dounreay to make five atomic bombs the silence from the Irish Government is deafening. The nuclear energy committee which was set up under pressure from the Opposition has only met twice in 12 months. Does the Minister of State agree that such a level of activity is not sufficient? Will he seek support from the Cabinet and the committee to raise its activity to a level at which the British will realise we are worried about the matter?

Before calling the Minister of State to reply I will allow brief supplementary questions from Deputies Yates, Sargent and Gilmore.

With regard to the work programme set out, will the Minister of State agree that more needs to be done about radon gas? It is a serious threat about which many people are not aware. Is all well with regard to the STAD court case? Can the Minister of State reassure the House that the case is proceeding satisfactorily and that all necessary research funding is being provided by the Government?

Will the Minister of State revise his reference to acceptable levels of radiation? In the case of radon we must accept the facts of life and do what we can about them. However, the Minister of State should not speak in terms of acceptable levels of man made radiation. Will he forward the programme of work and the terms of reference of the ministerial committee to me? What is the remit of the committee with regard to the Dounreay controversy? According to the North Scottish News Service enough sensitive uranium to make a dozen atomic bombs is missing from Dounreay. Can that matter be dealt with along with the German shipments issue at the next committee meeting? When will that meeting be held?

The Minister of State is aware that the German Government has halted all shipments of nuclear waste. Will the Government seek a complete ban on nuclear waste shipments in the Irish Sea? Will it permit a regime in the Irish Sea which is less stringent than that being applied by the German authorities?

I do not agree with Deputy Stagg that there has been a diminution in activity. On the contrary, there is a steady effort being made in the campaign against Sellafield and for nuclear safety in general. In accordance with the programme for Government, the Government is working strongly on the issue. I refute what the Deputy has said in that regard.

The committee has met twice in three months — once is February on its formation and once in May. On a pro rata rate that would be eight meetings per annum.

One would not want to have to claim expenses on that basis.

During the life of the previous Government, of which Deputy Yates was a member, the committee met seven times in total.

I am delighted with the support I am getting from the Minister, the Taoiseach and the other members of the Government. It gives me great joy and encouragement——

The Minister of State is waffling.

I am giving specific answers to specific questions.

Deputy Yates referred to radon gas. The Leas-Cheann Comhairle might chide me if I deal with that matter given that the matter is raised in another of Deputy Stagg's questions. The issue of the STAD court case is also the subject of another question.

In response to Deputy Sargent, there are no acceptable levels of radiation as far as the Department, the Government and I are concerned. I will forward the programme of work and the terms of reference of the committee to the Deputy. The Dounreay issue is an extension of the question, but it is topical——

I would prefer if the Minister of State did not go into that issue as we are running over time.

I am sure Deputy Sargent will find another way to raise the matter.

The German Government has decided to review the arrangements for the shipment of nuclear waste in the light of the recent incident and to impose tighter controls. I am pleased with the way it has tackled this issue. My Department, with the assistance of the Department of Foreign Affairs, will keep in touch with developments in Germany. For the moment I will not make direct representations to the German authorities in the light of the intensive measures being taken. However, I will not rule out making such contacts if I deem it necessary.

Among the actions taken by the German Government was the stopping of all shipments of nuclear waste on 21 May 1998 after it emerged that the surface of German nuclear waste containers arriving at reprocessing plants at La Hague in France and Sellafield in Britain were found to be contaminated.

My question was not about what the German Government is doing but about what the Irish Government will do. Will the Minister of State answer it?

The Government will continue the campaign it has begun. The UK-Ireland contact group, to which I referred, a bilateral group which meets twice a year, will meet tomorrow with my Department, the RPII and its equivalent in the UK to discuss the matter in light of the German action. Tomorrow will be a very good opportunity to raise yet again this subject. I will advise the Deputy of the outcome of the meeting.

On a point of order, I should clarify the record in so far as I referred to a letter of 10 April 1990 from the general manager, personnel, Mr. John O'Neill, and the Minister said it had been read into the record on a previous occasion, but the letter to which she was referring was a different letter dated 29 June 1990 from the same person.

It was received after the letter to which the Deputy referred.

It had nothing to do with it.

I fully accept it was from the same person but was of a different date.

Written Answers follow Adjournment Debate.

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