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Dáil Éireann debate -
Thursday, 25 Jun 1998

Vol. 493 No. 2

Ceisteanna — Questions. Priority Questions. - Juvenile Offenders.

Jan O'Sullivan

Question:

4 Ms O'Sullivan asked the Minister for Justice, Equality and Law Reform whether a sentence of seven years' detention imposed recently on a 16 year old girl by a judge (details supplied) is capable of being implemented by the State; whether a suitable place of detention is available; whether the girl is capable of being detained in Oberstown House pursuant to a court sentence for longer than a three week period; the situation in relation to a place of detention for juveniles, both male and female; and if he will make a statement on the matter. [15587/98]

I have asked the Attorney General for advice relating to the committal warrant in question. In the circumstances it would be inappropriate to comment further on this case.

The rules applying to juvenile offenders are complex and I hope Deputies bear with me while I explain them. It would not be possible to provide the Deputy with an adequate answer to her question without explaining the committal options available.

Male offenders aged 16 and 17 and up to the age of 21 may be committed on remand to or to serve a period of detention in St. Patrick's Institution. Male offenders aged 17 and over may be committed on remand or sentenced to imprisonment to the four adult committal prisons, Mountjoy, Cork, Limerick and Portlaoise. Sentenced male offenders aged 16 and 17 may be transferred from any of the four adult committal prisons and from St. Patrick's Institution to Wheatfield Place of Detention, Fort Mitchel and Shanganagh Castle to serve their sentences.

Wheatfield and Fort Mitchel provide a more suitable environment for young offenders sentenced to imprisonment or detention. The age structure of the population at Wheatfield and Fort Mitchel is relatively young and the regimes place greater emphasis on education and work training for young offenders than the regimes in the adult prisons. Shanganagh Castle is an open centre reserved exclusively for male offenders aged between 16 and 21.

Female offenders aged 17 and over may be committed on remand or sentenced to imprisonment to Mountjoy and Limerick Women's Prisons. However, very few female offenders aged 17 are committed to penal institutions each year. At present there are no female offenders aged 17 in custody in Mountjoy or Limerick Prisons.

Offenders under the age of 15 cannot be committed to a prison under any circumstances. Fifteen year old male offenders and 15 and 16 year old female offenders can be committed to prison only in exceptional circumstances. This can occur only in cases where the court certifies under the provisions of sections 97 and 102 of the Children Act, 1908, that the young person is so unruly or depraved of character that he or she cannot be detained in a place of detention provided under Part V of the Act.

Additional Information.

The legal provisions for the committal of young offenders under the age of 18 will change on enactment of the Children Bill, 1996. The Bill proposes that, where a court imposes a period of detention on a child, it shall order the child to be detained in a children's detention school operated by the Department of Education and Science where the child is under 16 years of age, or to be detained in a place of detention provided by the Minister for Justice, Equality and Law Reform where the child is 16 or 17 years of age.

When a child who was under 16 when they were committed on indictment reaches 18, the chief executive of the children detention schools can apply to the court to have the child transferred to a place of detention provided by the Minister for Justice, Equality and Law Reform. Such application has to set out the reasons for it and to justify it. Otherwise the court may refuse to make the order resulting in the child remaining in the children detention school until he or she reached 18. At that stage, if the sentence was not fully served, as in a murder case, the child would then transfer to a place of detention operated by the Minister for Justice, Equality and Law Reform. A child convicted of murder will be liable to the same penalty as an adult, that is, life imprisonment.

I understand a girl under 17 cannot be sent to prison but can be sent to a place of detention. However, there is no such place in the State for girls between 16 and 17. Oberstown House is a remand and assessment centre and no detention is possible there for more than three weeks. In effect, there is nowhere to put a girl between 16 and 17 who has been sentenced to detention. This is a serious situation. What does the State do when a girl between 16 and 17 has been sentenced to detention?

Oberstown House is the responsibility of the Department of Education and Science and the issue of the committal warrant in this case gives rise to complicated legal matters which I have raised with the Attorney General. I do not wish to go into detail on that. However, I assure the Deputy that I am taking the Attorney General's advice on the issue but it would be inappropriate to comment further.

Sixteen year old females can only be committed to a prison in the exceptional circumstances of a court certifying that she is so unruly or depraved of character that she cannot be detained in a place of detention provided under the Act. In the case of a person convicted of murder, the certificate would not apply in that instance because the offence would be regarded as being very grave and this would also apply to the offence of manslaughter. The issue of committal in circumstances where complications arise would be referred by any responsible Minster to the Attorney General and his advice is awaited in the case which the Deputy perhaps has in mind.

Is it not of concern to the Minister that, if a girl has committed an offence serious enough for her to be sentenced to detention, there is no proper provision for her? Surely a girl of that age who would commit such an offence would need to be detained where she could have proper rehabilitation to ensure she would not reoffend. We are all agreed that, if young people offend at that age, it is absolutely essential there is proper intervention to ensure they do not set out on a criminal path. Does the Minister intend to take further action in this regard?

I accept that Mountjoy Women's Prison is not a suitable environment for women prisoners, irrespective of their age, and that is why I am providing a new women's prison there. It is one of only two facilities in the State for the detention of women.

Where a young female offender has been committed, I assure the Deputy that special arrangements are made. This would include allocation to a suitable single cell and the designation of a female prison officer to remain with her during all times she is out of the cell to protect her, if that should prove to be necessary. The new women's prison, which will be operational towards the end of the year, will provide a higher standard of accommodation, greater access to recreational and other facilities and more scope for the proper segregation of young offenders. Special account is taken of the fact that they are young offenders.

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