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Dáil Éireann debate -
Tuesday, 18 May 1999

Vol. 504 No. 7

Written Answers. - Pension Provisions.

Gay Mitchell

Question:

277 Mr. G. Mitchell asked the Minister for Social, Community and Family Affairs if he will make a statement on the possibility of having pre-1953 contributions taken into account for purposes of determination of pension entitlements. [12699/99]

Prior to 1953 different types of contributions were payable – national health insurance, widow's and orphan's pension and unemployment insurance contributions – which gave specific entitlement only to the benefits of the schemes under which they were paid. The unified system of social insurance was introduced in 1953 and the first major extension to the range of contingencies covered came in 1961 with the introduction of the old age (contributory) pension scheme.

While contributions paid prior to 1961 contained no pension element, it was decided to count all such contributions paid under the unified scheme towards qualification for the new pension. Special transitional arrangements were also made for people who were close to reaching pension age at that time, which permitted certain contributions paid before 1953 to be taken into account for satisfying the yearly average test.

In addition, provision was made for pre-1953 contributions, paid under the National Health Insurance Acts, to be taken into account for the purposes of satisfying two of the qualifying contribution conditions for the old age (contributory) pension, namely, that a person must (i) have entered insurance at least ten years before pension age and (ii) have, at least, 156 contributions paid. This arrangement still applies.

I have often stated my commitment to ensuring that contributory pension coverage is as widely available as possible. In this regard, a detailed review is now under way by the Department of the contribution conditions applying to the old age (contributory) and retirement pensions, including the possible use of contributions paid prior to 1953. This is a particularly complex exercise with issues of equity and redistribution within the social welfare system to be examined.
In undertaking this review I consider it important that the Department hears the views of older people, and in that context, the Department is consulting the main groups representing the interests of older people. I will report to the House on the outcome of the review which will, in the normal course, be publicly available when it has been considered by the Government.

Brian O'Shea

Question:

279 Mr. O'Shea asked the Minister for Social, Community and Family Affairs the proposals, if any, he has to bring forward the date for the payment of budgetary increases in pensions; and if he will make a statement on the matter. [12746/99]

The 1999 budget provides for an increase of £6 per week for old age pensioners and £3 a week for their spouses with effect from the beginning of June. These increases will mean that in the two years since taking office, the Government has moved half way towards meeting its commitment to increase the old age contributory pension to £100 per week over its five year term.

The question of future increases in social welfare payments, including the timing of these increases, are matters to be examined in a budgetary context in the light of available resources and having regard to the Government's other priorities.

Brian O'Shea

Question:

280 Mr. O'Shea asked the Minister for Social, Community and Family Affairs the proposals, if any, he has to bring the method of assessment of return on savings in relation to non-contributory old age pension in line with actual deposit interest rates; and if he will make a statement on the matter. [12747/99]

It would not be feasible to assess means from capital on the basis of actual returns from investments, as this would necessitate frequent reviews of entitlements of a very significant number of recipients whenever interest rates fluctuated or the capital was moved into a different investment option. For this reason a notional value is ascribed to the capital owned.

While the formula for the notional assessment of capital includes rates of 7.5 per cent and 15 per cent the actual effective assessment rates are much lower. For example, a single pensioner can have capital of up to £6,160 and a couple can have capital of up to £12,320 and still qualify for the maximum rate of old age (non-contributory) pension. In addition, a couple with capital of £20,000 would only be assessed with means of £600, giving an effective assessment rate of just 3 per cent. As only 2-4 per cent of pensioners have capital in excess of £20,000, this means that the effective assessment rates for the vast majority of pensioners are very much lower than the 7.5 per cent and 15 per cent rates which are used in the notional assessment formula.
The current system is designed to ensure that those with modest amounts of capital receive the greater share of available support, while the small proportion of people with larger amounts of capital should avail of it to contribute, at least partially, towards meeting their needs.
Nevertheless, the Department is reviewing the system in the light of the interest rates currently available on investments. However, it should be noted that simply reducing the assessment rates of 7.5 per cent and 15 per cent down to the current levels of interest available on bank deposit accounts would disproportionately benefit those who are well off and this consideration was among those informing the decision of the previous Government to set the assessment rates at their present levels.
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