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Dáil Éireann debate -
Wednesday, 27 Nov 2002

Vol. 558 No. 2

Ceisteanna – Questions (Resumed). Priority Questions. - Garda Recruitment.

Joe Costello

Question:

49 Mr. Costello asked the Minister for Justice, Equality and Law Reform the progress made to date with regard to the detailed planning and logistical issues involved in the recruitment of the 2,000 additional gardaí promised in An Agreed Programme for Government; the funds which have been allocated for the recruitment of the additional gardaí during 2003; the funds which have been allocated in 2003 for the expansion of the capacity of the Garda Training College to deal with the extra number of recruits; and if he will make a statement on the matter. [23851/02]

The Deputy will be aware that An Agreed Programme for Government contains a commitment to increase the strength of the Garda Síochána by a further 2,000. Increasing the strength of the force, which is now almost 12,000 on foot of a previous commitment, by 2,000 would represent an approximate 16% increase in the strength of the Garda Síochána and, as such, it will be appreciated that a sufficient element of planning is required to effectively implement the commitment.

As I previously informed the House, my Department wrote to the Garda authorities and requested them to identify the key issues which arise in the context of the implementation of the above commitment. Consultation is required not only with the Garda authorities but also with the Office of Public Works and the Civil Service and Local Appointments Commission.

The implementation of the Government commitment in this matter represents a significant challenge for the Garda training college at Templemore. The college currently accepts 500 to 550 trainees per year and has a maximum capacity of 650 trainees per annum. As the annual intake required to implement the commitment would exceed the current capacity of the Garda college, consideration is being given to increasing its physical capacity and to the provision of additional resources so that the maximum training capacity could be increased. In addition, such matters as the need for extra civilian staff, including medical staff, whether gardaí would need to be diverted from operational duties to training, the provision of sufficient facilities for catering, physical education and information technology require to be addressed. The expanded use of students living-out accommodation may also be required.

The provision for the Garda Vote in the Abridged Estimates for 2003 relates to the maintenance of the existing level of services. The Estimates are prepared on that basis. It does not, nor is it intended to, address the question of additional gardaí which is being considered separately.

The Department is currently in the final stages of its examination of the detailed planning and logistical issues involved in this matter, including costs. As soon as I have finalised my consideration of those issues, I will bring the matter to Government in the usual way. The question of allocating the necessary funding to underpin the implementation of the commitment is one of the matters which will arise for consideration by Government.

I am not getting much joy from the Minister today.

It is the way the questions are asked.

No, it is the way they are answered. I am sure the Minister has read the annual crime report for 2001 which was published yesterday. His predecessor had it before the last general election but chose not to make the figures available. Now we know why, and another fraud was perpetrated on the people prior to the election.

The number of serious crime offences committed in the past 12 months has gone through the roof. Overall there has been an 18% increase in serious crime. The increase in regard to assaults, homicides, murders and serious sexual offences is in the 80% range. It is a colossal increase and the trend is upwards. In view of that does the Minister not see the urgency of having some of the 2,000 gardaí on the beat and on the streets? The streets are no longer safe and the Minister is doing nothing about it.

The Minister has given me precisely the same answer as was given a month ago, that he is looking into the matter. We seem to have made little progress. A month ago the Minister had written to the Garda authorities and asked them about the logistics. Why did the Minister not indicate that he had got a response from the Garda authorities and that it has been on his desk for the past six weeks or so? He has not done anything about the logistics in regard to Templemore.

The Minister has not got a penny from the Minister for Finance in the Estimates with regard to putting a single garda on the street. His promises are for the dim and distant future and he has failed to get one extra garda to patrol the streets.

I refute the suggestion, made twice in the House today, that my predecessor, Deputy O'Donoghue, concealed figures for electoral purposes.

He had the figures and he failed to publish them.

I assure the Deputy that I investigated it. I undertook to do so, among other things, when speaking with Pat Kenny on the radio. As soon as the figures were made available to me I put them into the public domain. If memory serves me, that was in July this year. The suggestion that the Minister, Deputy O'Donoghue, concealed the figures is without foundation.

I will elaborate for the Deputy on the issue of recruitment so that he can see the size of the problem. Taking into account normal retirements and resignations etc. from the force we would need a recruitment rate for 2003 to 2007 of 860 extra gardaí per year to get to the figure of 14,000 by the end of the full term of this Government. Earlier I said that 650 is the maximum capacity of the present facility. Clearly, significant steps, over and above what is possible in Templemore, must be taken to achieve the figure of 14,000.

The Deputy has said I have not got a penny in the Estimates for this purpose. I am not here to predict what will be decided by the Government in respect of the budget. I concede that the case is as the Deputy states it. The Estimates are prepared on the basis of the existing level of service. If I am to make a start in 2003 and if resources are made available to me, progress will not be at a level which would reach the desired figure by the due date. It must be a back-loaded operation if I am to reach that. That is one of the vagaries of being a Minister and this is one of the things that must be settled at Government level.

An Leas-Cheann Comhairle:

We are way over time. I ask the Minister to proceed with the next question.

When does the Minister expect a start on this programme and when does he expect to get a penny if there is no provision in the Estimates?

I think I told the Deputy that.

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