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JOINT COMMITTEE ON AGRICULTURE AND FOOD debate -
Wednesday, 10 May 2006

European Agricultural Policy: Statements.

On my behalf and on behalf of Members of both Houses of the Oireachtas, I extend to the EU Commissioner for Agriculture and Rural Development, Mariann Fischer Boel, céad míle fáilte, one hundred thousand welcomes, and our appreciation of her coming to Dublin for this historic occasion. It is the first time a European Commissioner has addressed a meeting in the Chamber and taken questions from the floor.

We are very pleased to have a full day of parliamentary proceedings devoted to European issues. Co-operation among national parliaments in the European Union has, since the signing of the Amsterdam treaty, been recognised as a key issue in the EU treaties. Europe Day in the Irish Parliament follows from debates by speakers of EU parliaments, COSAC, and members of our Joint Committee on European Affairs, all of whom have spent much time deciding how best to raise public awareness of European issues through the national Parliament. We very much appreciate the Government providing a full day for debate.

The presence of the Commissioner, the Taoiseach, other members of the Government and Members of both Houses in the Chamber is an indication of our desire, at national Parliament and Commission levels, to bring the workings of the European Union closer to the people of Ireland.

We welcome the number of questions and comments on today's proceedings that were submitted by members of the public to the Oireachtas website. Many of these submissions will be incorporated into the contributions of Deputies and Senators.

I invite the Commissioner to address us.

Commissioner Mariann Fischer Boel

Mr. Speaker and honourable Members, let me express my warmest thanks to you for the kind invitation to join you for the celebration of Europe Day. I am deeply honoured to be the first Commissioner to address this great Parliament, the seat of Irish democracy.

This year, 2006, is the second year in which Europe Day has been celebrated while I have been a Commissioner. This is also the second time I have been invited to a country to talk about agriculture to mark this special occasion. It is no accident that I was invited because, although Robert Schuman did not specifically mention it in his declaration of 9 May 1950, agriculture has been close to the heart of what is now the European Union since the signing of the Treaty of Rome in 1957. It remains one of the EU's key policy areas and also one of the most debated areas. The matter of the future we can expect for agriculture and agricultural policy is doubly important for this great country, which has historically built so much of its prosperity and identity on farming and which calls itself "the food island", with justifiable pride.

I will not attempt to give a detailed account of the likely future of agriculture in the EU and Ireland in the time available, but I can provide a sense of our direction of travel and allow Members to ask specific questions afterwards. I have tried to imagine what questions will be posed and I will tell Members afterwards if I was correct.

In recent years, our direction has changed to some extent. The Common Agricultural Policy, CAP, has had many successes but it has been obliged to alter course because of inefficiency, strain on the EU budget, EU enlargement and a more open global trading environment. Change was needed and has taken place. The reforms set out in 2003 and extended since then — particularly decoupling of subsidy from production — have marked one of the biggest shifts since the Common Agricultural Policy was created and demanded one of the most significant adjustments for Irish agriculture since Ireland joined the then European Economic Community in 1973.

Ireland has embraced that change with firm purpose. During the reform negotiations, Irish Ministers fought hard for Irish interests and often obtained impressive results. That was their job as elected representatives of the Irish people. When the deal on CAP reform was agreed, Ireland quickly accepted the new realities, including those that appeared less pleasant, and got down to the task of making them work in practice. Ireland was the first member state to announce a decision on the national application of 100% decoupling. This is a very healthy way of doing business in the EU.

The basic themes of our policy for the years ahead are clear. We are building a CAP that is freeing farmers to work for the best returns they can obtain on the market rather than seeking the best combination of subsidies from Brussels. It will examine the high standards of environmental care, animal welfare and food safety expected by the consumer and the taxpayer and operate within the constraints of a reasonable international trade framework.

Much of the necessary construction work on this new CAP has been done but it is not yet complete. We must bring more product sectors under the umbrella of general reform. Last year we agreed how to do this for our sugar industry and this year we are doing the same in respect of wine, fruit and vegetables. We must also review how well the reforms agreed in 2003 are functioning and make adjustments, if necessary. I refer to this as the health check of the CAP due to be carried out in 2008. I have a clear concept of what this health check will comprise and what will not be included. It will be a means of making the CAP work as closely as possible in line with its new principles. It will not be a pretext for simplistic budget-cutting within the context of the general review of the overall financial framework scheduled for 2009 to be agreed by Heads of State, the Commission and the European Parliament.

Where action is needed, I will not hesitate to recommend it but this is not the time to make further fundamental changes to the CAP. I wish to give farmers in Ireland and the rest of the EU as much stability as possible. No economic sector can be profitable and sustainable if the policy framework is in a constant state of revolution. Predictability is important for agriculture and I intend to discuss the future of agriculture after 2013, following which changes will take place, with the young farmers' union. The conference next May will link discussions with young farmers and young consumers. A common understanding of the future market for agricultural commodities is necessary and this discussion could give us an indication of direction we will be taking after 2013.

One of the pivotal influences on agriculture in Ireland and the EU in the years ahead will be the global market. The EU will continue to work hard to achieve success in the Doha Round. It is in our interest to promote world trade and to reinforce the multilateral trading system, but we do not seek to achieve a deal at any price. We have always said that we will only accept a deal that has balance between the three pillars within agriculture — market access, domestic support and export refunds — and other areas of the Doha discussions, namely, non-agricultural market access, NAMA, industrial products and services and the simplification of rules. We have been doing our utmost to sustain negotiations in the Doha Round on the 2004 framework agreement and put on the table our willingness to phase out all export subsidies. In Hong Kong we offered a fixed phasing out date of 2013. What we have put on the table is at the edge of what we can afford, given our mandate. If our trading partners expect us to improve our offer on agriculture, ready to sacrifice the industry on the altar of world trade, they will be disappointed.

Regardless of whether the Doha Round ends in success, in the coming years Ireland can expect fierce competition in key agricultural markets such as beef and dairy production. A large part of the response must be for the Irish to carry on doing what they are doing, making their supply chain more efficient, producing to the very highest standards and letting consumers know why Irish products are worth a premium. The low cost producers of the world have some advantages, but they do not hold all the cards. Ireland must play its own cards to best effect. In an environment where more consumers are seeking higher quality and becoming aware of links between food, the environment, animal welfare and safety I am sure that those cards have a high value.

There may well also be openings in new product sectors. I am specifically targeting biofuels. Channelling more agricultural products into the biofuel market will not solve all the problems faced by farmers in Ireland or the European Union as a whole. Nevertheless, opportunities seem to be emerging in that sector. As members know, the issue is moving up the European agenda. The EU spring summit of Heads of State and Government agreed a renewable target of 8% of transport fuel by 2015. That will mean great possibilities if it is to be met. The agriculture sector has its own characteristics. Nevertheless, to some extent its success depends on the approaches and attitudes that bring success in other sectors and the economy as a whole.

Two decades ago Ireland was burdened by emigration and economic weakness. It was said Ireland had lost its bite, but the Irish turned the situation around, rebuilding their economy, becoming the Celtic tiger and biting back. I am sure the determination, sense of enterprise and imagination that fuelled Ireland's return to economic health will also serve it well in agriculture. Many challenges lie ahead. In the 21st century that will be true not only in agriculture but in all sectors also. However, in the right policy environment Irish farmers will continue to hold their heads high. I pledge to do everything in my power to create the right environment.

Cuirim fíorchaoin fáilte roimh an Choimisinéir, atá sa Dáil den chéad uair le páirt a ghlacadh sa díospóireacht seo ar an earnáil talmhaíochta agus polasaí san Aontas Eorpach. D'oibrigh mé féin agus an Coimisinéir go dícheallach le chéile san Aontas Eorpach, agus ba mhaith liom mo bhuíochas pearsanta a ghabháil léi as ucht na tacaíochta a thugann sí don earnáil talmhaíochta sa tír seo.

Today's initiative is an ideal opportunity to reflect on the changes we have experienced as members of the European Union, to appreciate what we have gained and contributed and also to consider how the enlarged Union should continue to serve our people in a rapidly changing world.

National parliaments should reflect their involvement in EU affairs. The European Union forms an integral part of our public life to the point that it is often difficult to separate domestic issues from European ones. In that sense, European issues should be embraced as an integral part of our legislative process and so help underpin the democratic legitimacy of the Union.

There is a tendency on the part of the public to take for granted the massive benefits of EU membership and focus on the occasional more negative or restrictive proposal that emerges from Brussels from time to time. It is worth reminding ourselves, therefore, of the enormous advantages that have accrued to Ireland from our participation in the European Union. Our membership has been a key factor in the transformation of the economy. The benefits to every aspect of Irish life have been immense. As a small, open economy that must trade in order to prosper, EU membership has provided Ireland with a huge barrier free market for our products. That trading access and the single EU currency, combined with our highly educated workforce, tax regime and the social stability provided by our system of social partnership, have made Ireland an attractive base for companies exporting into the EU market.

We have derived enormous benefit through EU Structural Funds to develop our infrastructure faster than we would have done otherwise. EU funding has also underpinned such key elements of economic success as research and development and marketing and training, all of which have contributed to the high levels of economic growth that we have witnessed in recent years. Combined with EU membership, sound economic and fiscal policies, foreign direct investment and hard work have allowed the economy to reach its potential.

Agriculture is the sector in which the European Union has probably had the single biggest influence since we joined the Community in 1973. The agrifood industry has been among the principal beneficiaries of EU membership. In the period from 1973 to 2005 Irish agriculture received in excess of €36 billion in the form of direct payments and market supports. We also received some €2.7 billion for capital investments in farms and the food industry. The on-farm investment has increased product diversity and productivity and facilitated quality, hygiene and anti-pollution measures.

EU membership has transformed our food sector, in particular. Where once commodity trading was the staple of the industry, we now see a diverse, modern, consumer focused sector. As EU membership provided us with guaranteed access to a range of European markets, we could plan ahead to develop an industry able to compete with the best on international markets. The various supports offered by the Common Agricultural Policy provided stability and public funding for new routes to the market through capital investment in the industry, marketing, research and infrastructure. Follow-up private investment by companies and targeted assistance from the Government demonstrated high ambition, confidence, professionalism and a real understanding that change was not a one-off.

The agrifood industry has taken Ireland's two greatest resources, her land and people, and, through technology, innovation and sheer determination, built a dynamic and sophisticated sector that is feeding markets across the globe. Who would have thought 15 years ago that Ireland would be exporting over €1.5 billion of prepared consumer foods? Who would have imagined that Irish companies would be leading world players in the ingredients and cheese markets? Ireland is now the fourth largest food exporter in the European Union and our international reputation as the food island is well deserved, given the range and diversity of foodstuffs produced here. The agrifood and drinks sector accounts for more than 8% of Ireland's GDP, 7.1% of Irish exports and 9.5% of total employment. Gross output is valued at €16.8 billion, with exports of over €7 billion spread across Europe and the rest of the world. These are very encouraging figures considering the competitive pressures faced by exporters and it is clear that the EU Common Agricultural Policy has been a significant factor in the increased prosperity of the sector.

Enlargement of the Union, which we have supported and encouraged, has also provided us with opportunities. The accession of the ten central and east European and Mediterranean countries in 2003 added more than 100 million people to the population of the Union. The creation of a single market of approximately 500 million consumers without tariff or other trade barriers created a new impetus for growth in the market, with increased possibilities for all member states, old and new.

Agriculture has changed not just in Ireland since 1973 but throughout the European Union and the Common Agricultural Policy has been the subject of ongoing and broad-based reform for more than two decades reflecting the changing demands of society. Since the 1980s we have had continual reforms beginning with the milk production quotas introduced in 1984 and the budgetary stabilisers introduced in the 1980s. Over the past 15 years, the CAP has been subjected to three major broad-based reforms, in 1992, 1999 and 2003. There has been a fundamental transformation from product support as evidenced by the intervention mountains which were built up during the 1980s, to support for farmers by way of direct payments. These reforms have brought the CAP into line with present-day realities.

In June 2003, the Agriculture and Fisheries Council agreed the most fundamental reform of the CAP since its establishment. That reform is now being implemented by the member states. It was the most radical of all, in that it decoupled subsidies from production and provided that decoupled payments may be reduced or eliminated if a farmer failed to comply with 18 different EU legal instruments governing food safety, the environment, and animal health and welfare. Ireland, having negotiated strongly in the reform process, subsequently embraced fully the new developed model with the confidence that our agrifood sector can benefit generally from the flexibility provided.

These reforms will ensure that European agriculture is more competitive, more market and consumer orientated, better prepared, therefore, for globalisation, more compliant with food safety requirements, more environmentally sustainable and more conscious of animal welfare requirements. Farmers are now free to respond to market signals in their production decisions and to continue with traditional enterprises or to engage in new activities whether in other crops or products, forestry or even biofuels, as mentioned by the Commissioner.

The sector is barely recognisable today compared with ten or 20 years ago. I will give a few examples. In the 1980s and early 1990s there were more than 1 million tonnes of beef in intervention stores throughout the EU. Today no beef is in intervention. In the early 1990s more than 30 different types of premium were in place. We now have the single farm payment. In the early 1990s farmers were geared to maximising their income by increasing outputs and optimising support levels. Today they are geared up to meet market needs and consumer demands and to obtaining fair payment for the additional services they provide in terms of landscape, bio-diversity and recreation. In essence, the CAP is now focused on guaranteeing the continued availability of high quality, safe food, protecting the environment and addressing the overall social and economic needs of EU citizens. I am happy to say we are in the forefront of member states in implementing this new policy.

The mechanisms of the CAP have not been set in stone; they have been made responsive to evolving societal needs. In this connection we must be careful to control the pace of reform and to ensure that most recent reforms are bedded down. Farmers are entitled to a period of stability to come to terms with the new market realities in an non-threatening policy environment. The financial perspectives agreement of December last was a welcome development in this regard. The agreement in the European Council on the Financial Perspective 2007-2013, and in particular, the budget for the CAP and rural development provides much needed stability for the future. While a review of the EU budget will take place in 2008 and 2009, fundamental change or further CAP reform should not be contemplated before the beginning of the next financial perspective in 2014 and I will oppose any attempt to introduce any such change.

Rural development, the second pillar of the CAP, has become increasingly important in parallel with the reform process. To see the EU influence we need only consider the range of related measures that we apply here. I will give some examples. The compensatory allowance scheme benefits more than 100,000 farmers in the disadvantaged agricultural areas. The rural environmental protection scheme, REPS, has close to 50,000 participants and it is widely acknowledged as contributing to environmental enhancement. Both these schemes and many more benefit from EU support.

The EU rural development policy framework for 2007-2013 is a good one. It has three priorities — competitiveness, environment, and quality of life and the wider rural community. I fully support these priorities. In collaboration with the Department of Community, Rural and Gaeltacht Affairs, we are engaged in formulating a new rural development strategy and programme. In so far as the agriculture elements are concerned, the priorities set have a two-fold benefit. They will help the sector to adapt to increasing competitive pressure, and they will provide support for the public-good aspect of farming and the positive contribution it makes to the environment and land management.

While we can be satisfied with the outcome on the next financial perspective, the negotiations on the next WTO agreement now represent a major challenge, as the Commissioner has said. The negotiations aimed at liberalising trade and at reducing substantially the levels of support and protection which can be provided for agriculture are continuing with a view to concluding a new agreement later this year.

While world trade has been opening up in recent decades, there are still plenty of barriers to our agricultural and food products, industrial goods, our investors and our service providers. An overall agreement in which obstacles are reduced further would be of considerable benefit to the Union and to Ireland. A round that brings real gains in agricultural trade would also be hugely beneficial for developing countries. I am committed, therefore, to securing a new WTO agreement. However, I am determined that this will not prevent us, in the EU and Ireland, from enjoying the benefits of an active and supportive CAP and a rural development policy that protects the agriculture and food sector. In particular I welcome the Commissioner's view that this should be a balanced outcome.

I ask the Minister to speed up her contribution.

I will place a bet with the Commissioner as to what topics might be raised in the House. As the Commissioner has outlined, the beef and dairy sectors will find huge challenges in the context of the WTO agreement. I look forward to working with her in the development and support of that sector. We should look at the issue of the poultry sector and as we have discussed recently the issue of avian influenza. I particularly thank the Commissioner for the tremendous support for that sector she has given to me and my Minister of State.

I welcome the Commissioner's initiative in attending. I welcome the House's initiative to encourage and develop further working relationships with the Commissioner personally and particularly in her stewardship of European agricultural policy. I wish her well. Our views are almost ad idem and I look forward to working out the challenges of the future.

As Chairman of the Oireachtas Joint Committee on Agriculture and Food, I support the words of welcome extended earlier by the Ceann Comhairle and the Minister to the Commissioner, Ms Fischer Boel. She is welcome to the House and to Ireland — a country which benefits greatly from EU membership and which has also contributed much to its progress to date. I was honoured to meet the Commissioner last year when she attended a function to mark the 50th anniversary of the Irish Farmers Association. I am glad the new president of the IFA, Mr. Padraig Walshe, his director general and other executive members are in the public Gallery today.

The agriculture sector faces a challenging transition and I wish the Commissioner every success in her role as European Commissioner for Agriculture and Rural Development in advancing balanced reforms that respect agreed understandings. The Commissioner will be aware of the issues we have with the nitrates directive. I understand this was one of the issues the Minister raised with her this morning. We are anxious to ensure agreement is reached with the Commission on this matter in the coming weeks. Is the Commissioner satisfied with the balance in the WTO negotiations or is there too much emphasis on agriculture? Will she outline the Commission's plan for underpinning rural development?

Would the Commissioner like to take a couple of questions first, or to take them individually?

Commissioner Fischer Boel

I am in the hands of the Speaker.

Like the rest of us.

The Commissioner will take questions individually.

Commissioner Fischer Boel

Excuse me for not standing when making my speech but I was unsure of the rules of this Parliament.

The Ceann Comhairle would have told the Commissioner to sit down fairly quickly.

Commissioner Fischer Boel

In that case I will try to make it short.

The WTO negotiations are a difficult and very important issue to be discussed. When we left Hong Kong in December, just before Christmas, we agreed to try to finalise the modalities on the Doha Round before the end of April. Many negotiations were ongoing at high official level in Geneva. The Ministers met in different places in Europe with the big players in agriculture, namely, the United States, Brazil, India, Australia and Japan, representing different parts of the groups in the negotiations. It was clear before the end of April that we would not finalise the negotiations at political level because so many technical issues had not been resolved. Therefore, we have postponed the discussion without fixing any new dates but it is ongoing. This week the senior officials of the big players are in Geneva to see whether it is possible to move ahead on some of the technical issues involved. We hope to decide in the middle of June whether it is possible at political level for Ministers to meet in Geneva.

I do not want to participate in the blame game. On whose back will the monkey be placed if this does not work? We must do our utmost to achieve — I underline again the necessity for it — a balanced outcome. It has been crucial for me in the discussions at the Councils of Ministers for Agriculture and Foreign Affairs that the Commission receive full backing in the ongoing negotiations. This is essential in order for us to negotiate. As long as we remain within the mandate, we can negotiate. If at some stage we cross a border, we will need a new mandate from the Council.

Before calling Deputy Naughten, I ask Members of both Houses to be concise in their questions, not to make statements, to ensure as many Members as possible can participate.

It is a pity Deputy Brady did not receive that direction.

On behalf of the Fine Gael Party, I welcome Commissioner Fischer Boel. I thank her, the Ceann Comhairle and the Government for putting the debate on agriculture policy centre stage.

Security of its citizens is a core principle of the European Union. The Union has a net deficit of beef, lamb, chicken and other food products which is growing owing to the CAP reform negotiations and the concessions made to factory farm producers in the WTO negotiations. What will happen if the current sources of supply dry up for one reason or another, whether disease, transport difficulties or changes in policy by foreign governments, as has happened in Argentina? If food supplies are cut off, as GATT supplies have been from Russia, what backup or supports have been put in place at European level to guarantee the security of food supply to European citizens?

The Commissioner's comments on biofuels are welcome. EU reforms have forced the closure of the sugar industry here. Under EU regulations, the Mallow sugar plant, the only one that was in operation, must be completely demolished for farmers to gain the maximum level of compensation possible under the reform programme. Surely in that context, a distinction must be made between producing ethanol and sugar. Should growers not be able to avail of the maximum level of compensation if the facilities in Mallow are used to produce ethanol rather than sugar? Do the regulations issued by the Commission contradict stated EU policy and the Commissioner's comments this morning encouraging and promoting biofuels production?

Commissioner Fischer Boel

I would like first to answer Deputy Brady's question on rural development. This is where one hears the music of the future for agriculture policy. Great attention will be paid to the possibilities within rural development policy. That was one reason, in the 2003 CAP reform programme, we started the modulation, namely, taking money from the direct payment and putting it towards rural development, or what we usually call the second pillar. We started with a figure of 3% in 2005. It is 4% this year and will be 5% next year. When fully implemented, approximately €9 billion will be transferred. We should try to continue this compulsory modulation. The agreement on the financial perspectives creates the possibility for member states to decide whether they want to use a figure up to 20% in voluntary modulation without co-financing. This is the first step in renationalising the CAP. I want to stick to the model we have in CAP reform of a compulsory transfer of money from the first to the second pillar, including co-financing by member states. When the financial perspectives were agreed, it was clear that there would be cuts in rural development policy funding. We asked for a sum of €89 billion but received €70 billion. That is the deal. I can only encourage member states to use the money as intelligently as possible, within the limits of the discussions in member states on what to give to rural development. It is crucial that this is successful.

I am fully aware of the political difficulties created by the nitrates directive because I saw what had happened when Denmark, the country I know best, implemented it in 1998. Ireland has had some years to prepare for implementation of the directive. I am not responsible for the directive but have had some positive and encouraging discussions with the Minister for Agriculture and Food, Deputy Coughlan, on the flexibility needed for investments in the farming sector to store manure. I think we have found a decent and responsible solution to this issue.

On the question of food security, it is important to underline that the high level of food security which exists within the European Union has given us many possibilities to go into the export market. The threats and the challenges in a global trade market are like a two-sided coin. As a result of the high level of food security in Europe, we might be very strong in new markets in countries with a fast-growing middle class which will want products with high food security which we can deliver. This will be one of Europe's strengths because it is clear that Europe will never be able to compete with the low-priced countries such as Brazil; everybody knows we mean Brazil. That country is very competitive on bulk production and no matter what we do, we will never be able to compete with it so we must take another approach, namely, to focus on the areas where we can find markets — I would not even say niche — for our high quality products.

I refer to Deputy Naughten's question about beef supplies. As Brazil has foot-and-mouth disease and Argentina has stopped exporting, it is clear this might influence the world market price. However, these are not the only countries from which Europe imports and up to now we have not seen dramatic consequences as a result of events in South America.

On the subject of energy, I am very happy with the support I meet in most of the member states. Given the stockpiling which is happening in the landlocked areas of the European Union, we need to find a decent, proper and smart way to use the huge stockpiles of corn. Given the current price of oil it should be possible, once the second generation of bio-ethanol has been developed, to be very competitive. I do not know if it will be possible for us to reach what we have now targeted by 2010, namely 5.75% of the mix for transport, because it is not compulsory for member states. At this stage we are at 1.4% mix and we have to import ethanol produced from sugar cane from Brazil. I think we can manage an import.

I ask the committee to imagine if we manage to achieve the 5.75% in 2010. This would require 18 million hectares and Europe has a total production area of approximately 100 million hectares. I do not think the use of 18 million hectares, 20% of the total European area, solely for energy production is around the corner. The balance between domestic production and imports must be found.

On sugar reform, it was quite clear from the beginning that it was necessary to make it possible for those areas which agreed to cut their sugar production to use the sugar beet to make ethanol. This had not previously been possible but it is now possible. The €45 used as the carrot for production of renewable energy in agriculture needs to be discussed to see how this carrot works. This discussion will take place at the end of 2006 to see whether it is necessary to refine the system.

On behalf of the Labour Party, I welcome the Commissioner and thank her for her attendance and her presentation. She stated that post-2013 there will be significant changes and that she would meet the young farmers' unions to discuss those changes as she envisages them. What does she regard as the major challenges post-2013 and how can we best adapt to them? More specifically, as the issue of substantial transformation causes considerable problems for both the food industry and the consumer, has the Commissioner any plans to define more strictly the meaning of substantial transformation in the case of food? For instance, something such as the addition of breadcrumbs can allow a food product to be defined as Irish when it actually comes from some other country. It is clear this applies to many European countries where food is imported from third countries and when some small added value or changes are made which allow the product to be defined or classified as Irish or as European.

The World Trade Organisation talks have been commented upon but developing countries have not been mentioned. Will the Commissioner support the demands from developing countries at the WTO talks for the special safeguard mechanism and special products mechanism to be inserted into any future WTO agreement? Is she satisfied that the agricultural enterprises of poorer countries will be adequately protected if other bargaining tools are applied?

Commissioner Fischer Boel

The discussion on what can be done for developing countries is very important. When we agreed on the reform of the sugar industry, it was quite clear that the poorest countries in the world, those normally referred to as the "everything but arms" countries, the 49 poorest countries in the world, had been exporting sugar to Europe at a very high price. It was clear that following reform, this price would drop and these countries would not gain as much from their sugar production as previously. We therefore agreed to reserve a specific fund for ACP countries.

With a new agreement on financial perspectives, we managed to maintain almost completely the funding for the least developed countries. Currently €184 million a year in the next financial period will be available, not as compensation but to help these countries either to improve their sugar production or to change to something different, for example, industrial production or the tourism sector. We are willing to help them when they deliver their views on what can be done.

The special safeguard is part of the WTO discussions. It is clear that when we talk about reduction of trade barriers, we do not ask the same from the developing countries as we do from the developed countries. When we talk about tariff reduction we only ask the developing countries to deliver two thirds of what the developed countries do. On the question of the safeguard clauses, we should be able to find the correct balance.

I do not know yet what the challenges post-2013 will be but it is clear there will be challenges. I do not think that we will have the same direct payment available after 2013. That is the reason the transfer of money to implement rural development policy, with the possibility of member states introducing national schemes, can present a major opportunity to specifically target areas the Government wishes to support. Agri-environmental schemes are important.

I do not have any specific ideas. That is the reason it is important to talk to young farmers to learn of their views. They are entrepreneurial, which is important for the future of agriculture. It does not work if farmers do what their ancestors did. Farmers must operate in a different way today. Young farmers are good at trying to find sustainable solutions in what has become a much more competitive world.

On the issue of imports and the question of labelling, I may be on thin ice in answering that question because I am not the Commissioner for consumer protection or for health. Therefore, I had better be cautious.

On behalf of the Green Party, An Comhaontas Glas, I welcome the Commissioner to Dáil Éireann. This is an interesting debate and it is important it is taking place. I am glad the Commissioner is here to be part of it.

The Minister for Agriculture and Food mentioned that more than 9% of employment here is in the agriculture sector. However, as the Commissioner may be aware since this trend is not unique to Ireland, the number of full-time farmers is decreasing. There has been a loss to farming of 100 full-time farmers per year in recent years. The number of part-time farmers is also decreasing but not at as high a rate. Fewer farmers supply milk and grow fruit and vegetables. Some 40% of fruit and vegetables produced here are grown in my constituency, where such farming is concentrated. However, many farmers are trying to leave farming because the returns are not sufficient for farming to provide a viable livelihood.

Is it the case that the economic return to farmers is so low that it is not viable for many to continue in production? How does the Commissioner respond to that conundrum? She said in the Doha Round that she would not accept a deal at any price, which I was glad to hear. What price might such a deal include? Would it include stricter labelling requirements, as that is a fundamental way in which prices have been under-cut? For example, the price of imported potatoes, which are subsequently washed and labelled as Irish, under-cuts the price of local produce. Likewise, beef is imported and subsequently cut and vacuum packed here and sold as Irish beef. Scallions have been imported from Mexico with traces of DDT, a chemical that was banned in the European Union, yet such imported vegetables have been sold here as if they were of a standard acceptable to the European Union.

I ask the Deputy to confine himself to brief questions, as more than 20 Members are offering.

I appreciate that but I would like answers to those questions.

The Commissioner said that Ireland must play its own cards to their best effect. Would that include the Commissioner at the Doha Round defending the right of self-determination of regions in the European Union not to grow genetically modified products if that is their choice? Would the Commissioner defend that right to sovereignty to which we signed up in the European Union?

Commissioner Fischer Boel

I expected that a Member would ask a question on GM foods. Clearly, it is a hot topic. The platform for proceeding with the discussion on this topic was set in November 2002 when the Council agreed on a labelling and traceability system. If a farmer does not want to grow products with the use of GM technology, soya beans being a good example — imported soya beans, if produced with GM technology, must be labelled as such — he or she can buy traditionally produced soya beans. If consumers do not want to buy GM products, they can buy organic produce or avoid products labelled as having been produced with GM technology. Clearly, there are possibilities presented in this respect in the labelling and traceability system. Freedom to choose, both for the producer and the consumer, is essential.

The Deputy mentioned the question of imported vegetables with traces of DDT. I hope a company that imports such vegetables will refuse immediately to import any product that has been preserved or on which pesticides have been used such as the old fashioned, outdated DDT. We never accept imports into Europe which are not in line with the requirements we have put in place. Acceptance of such imports is out of the question. One need not find such products on supermarket shelves in Ireland or in other European Union member states.

The CAP reform in 2003 was essential to give farmers freedom to produce what the market wants instead of producing what gave the best pay off in direct payment to farmers. Basing the direct payment on historical production was the way Ireland operated in the past. I hope farmers will explore other areas of activity.

Regardless of how we would all like to have small, medium and large farms, structural adaptions are taking place. There will be more large farms in the dairy sector and the number of part-time farmers will increase. Some people like to live in the countryside and it is possible to work in the city and maintain a certain level of production on a part-time basis. The Deputy might be right that there will be a more polarised agriculture sector but it is my intention — this is the reason I am so fond of the rural development — to promote the development of an agriculture sector that will comprise small family farms and bigger farms. I hope that will be possible in the future.

As chairperson of the committee with responsibility for rural affairs of the Houses of the Oireachtas and as a musician coming from a rural background, it was music to my ears to hear the Commissioner say that rural development is where the music will be. I hope she will continue to work in harmony and in tune with our Ministers to significantly develop this element of agriculture. It is a major step forward that we are in concord on this aspect.

Ensuring a sustainable future for communities in the rural economy is central to what we want to achieve.

Has the Deputy a question?

I have two questions.

I would prefer if Members asked only one question.

I will be brief. The Commissioner intends to bring together young farmers and young consumers, which is extremely important. Would she consider also involving young business people to examine the percentage take by business and the price paid by the consumer?

My second question is similar to one asked by Deputy Naughten. Given the fashionable trend towards the production of biofuels, which seems to be the answer to the non-viability issues concerning farming, are we running a risk in the near or medium-term future of losing out in terms of the quality and security of the food supply in Europe? As people rush to solve the energy crisis, we might reach a point where there will be a food supply crisis in Europe.

Commissioner Fischer Boel

Bringing young business people into these discussions might be an idea but young farmers are business people. One must be able to manage one's farm in a businesslike manner. Otherwise, one would not be able to survive. I do not see any risk in the agriculture sector becoming involved in the energy sector by developing renewable products. I think it is a possibility, although it will not solve all our problems. Some farmers will avail of this opportunity. I do not see it as a threat to our food supply, I see it as a possibility in the energy sector.

I welcome the Commissioner. The Minister referred to the vibrancy of the agriculture sector in the mid-1990s, when there were 3,600 beet farmers in this country. However, there are now no beet farmers. Will the Commissioner ensure that this country's beet farmers will not suffer decreases in their compensation payments if our only remaining sugar plant, which is located in Mallow, starts to produce ethanol? Will the farmers receive full compensation? Given that Ireland's pig and poultry farmers are likely to follow suit as a result of the nitrates and phosphorous directives, will the Commissioner consider the possibility of revising the farm retirement scheme to make it more attractive to farmers and to open up more land to younger farmers?

Commissioner Fischer Boel

I will speak first about sugar reform. The restructuring fund, under which €730 per tonne will be made available, is a crucial element of the political agreement on sugar reform. The restructuring envelope for Ireland will be €145 million. The work of Ireland's very skilful negotiator helped to make it possible for member states that reduce sugar production by 50% or more to qualify for a specific diversification fund, which will be worth €45 million to Ireland. The restructuring fund was agreed not to try to compensate the industry but rather to try to ensure that significant problems for the labour forces in those areas where sugar plants are being closed will be avoided. It was decided in the agreement that at least 10% of the restructuring fund should be channelled directly to the farmers. It is possible for member states to give their farmers, as some of them obviously want to do, more than 10% of the restructuring fund.

It is necessary to strike the right balance between the demands of farmers and those of the entrepreneurs who run the machines for sugar beet farms. The latter group should also receive a share of the restructuring fund. The moneys made available under the diversification fund, some €45 million in the case of Ireland, can be distributed according to the political agreements that are reached in the various member states; they will not be earmarked beforehand. Negotiations are taking place in the various member states. I do not usually become involved in national decisions or negotiations. I am sure that the right balance will be struck in Ireland in this instance.

I apologise for speaking from behind the Commissioner, who is very welcome. As a Member of the Dáil who is a farmer and a former lobbyist on behalf of the farming sector, I had many dealings with Commissioner Fischer Boel's predecessor, Mr. Franz Fischler. I appreciate Commissioner Fischer Boel's presence in the Chamber as part of this national debate.

The biggest issue I can see is that it is not viable to hire qualified farm labour to work on one's farm. The farm gate price received by the typical family farm in respect of milk, beef, lamb, pigmeat or grain is not sufficient to sustain an income. I would be interested in hearing Commissioner Fischer Boel's views on this matter. As she said, there is a time limit on the single farm payment, which is sustaining and subsidising modern commercial farming. The Commissioner also referred to the pressures relating to the Doha Round and the fierce competition among Irish farmers. The difficulty with farm gate prices is that they are not sufficient to sustain farm families. I suspect and fear that the Commissioner's confidence in the future of young farmers will not receive much support here. Typical family farms are encountering major difficulties in trying to encourage young people to take over the land. I would be interested to hear the Commissioner's views on farm prices, which constitute the biggest difficulty in this sector.

Commissioner Fischer Boel

I will try to comment briefly on the milk sector. When we agreed the CAP reform, we reduced the prices and increased the quota. The decrease in prices was necessary to be more competitive in the world market. When I examine ex-farm prices in Ireland, I see that they have remained more or less stable. They fell by approximately 30 cent, but not by more than that, in 2004-05. The direct payment to farmers was increased by €2.35 in the same period. Sometimes I think that farmers do not link the increases in their entitlements with the slight decreases in milk prices.

The Commissioner is not alone in thinking that.

Commissioner Fischer Boel

If I examine the figures, I see that the incomes of farmers in the dairy sector have not decreased by as much as we expected.

Their costs have increased.

Commissioner Fischer Boel

That may be the case.

Has the Commissioner not heard the Minister of State, Deputy Parlon, boasting about how well he is doing for farmers?

The Commissioner should not pay any attention to Deputy Stagg.

Commissioner Fischer Boel

It is clear that prices in the milk sector have not decreased at the speed that we would have expected. If, therefore, one examines the bottom line, one will see that there has been a positive outcome for Irish farmers. I do not include the extra costs of labour, fertilisers, oil, etc. I have been presented with some problems by farmers who have tried to convince me that the oil crisis is completely spoiling their competitiveness. I wonder how many farmers are running their tractors on bioethanol, which could be a possibility.

On behalf of Sinn Féin, I welcome the Commissioner and thank her for her presentation. She spoke about the need to make exceptions for underdeveloped countries. While I wholeheartedly support that view, I am concerned about the competition faced by the Irish beef industry as a result of the importation of beef from South America, particularly Argentina and Brazil. Does the Commissioner agree that producers in this country are discriminated against because there is no level playing pitch in areas such as health and safety and animal welfare and due to the fact that there is no individual traceability in the countries to which I refer? The most vulnerable people in society are also discriminated against because the cheap beef that is available to them does not benefit from the same levels of traceability or the same safety mechanisms as less affordable beef.

Commissioner Fischer Boel

It is clear that countries which want to export beef into the European Union must be able to apply certain traceability systems.

I asked about individual traceability.

Commissioner Fischer Boel

On a recent trip to Australia I visited a slaughterhouse that reserves two days each week specifically for slaughters for the European Union market. If the slaughterhouse did not have such a system in place, it could not adapt to the European Union's very strict rules in respect of individual traceability systems.

I call Deputy Wilkinson.

On a point of order, could we take questions from a few Deputies because if we run out of time it will be unfair to those who are offering?

We need to extend the time.

If the Commissioner is agreeable, we might take a few questions together.

The Ceann Comhairle should give each Deputy a chance to ask at least one question.

I will call DeputyWilkinson first.

I welcome the Commissioner. Agriculture is of vital importance to Ireland and milk to the agriculture sector. In recent months the level of EU export competitiveness has declined sharply in the case of butter and other milk products owing to weaker world markets and an increase in the value of the euro. There is a need for the Commission to increase supports; otherwise there is a high risk that the EU dairy market could be destabilised. Will the Commissioner provide assurances that increased supports will be provided to offset the decline in the level of EU export competitiveness?

I have a very simple question. How does the Commissioner expect young people to stay on the land? The reality in Ireland is that agricultural colleges are closing down. Young people are leaving the land because they cannot make a living. The sugar production sector has been completely closed down. Some 60% of farmers in one of the largest milk producing areas in Europe are no longer producing milk.

Does the Deputy have a question?

Let me ask the Commissioner a very simple question. How does she expect farmers to stay on the land between now and 2013? Young farmers are fed up. There is frustration. The veterinary legislation that has come from the European Union has caused immense problems for farmers who specialise in animal husbandry because they have to go to the local vet and pay a huge price for a prescription to administer a simple drug. These farmers are specialists. That is what is happening in Ireland; not the pious stuff we have had to listen to for hours. The reality is that they are being driven off the land. How does the Commissioner expect young people to stay on it?

Following on from the question from the Minister of State at the Department of Finance, Deputy Parlon, Ireland has the lowest milk prices in Europe——

Will the Deputy please confine himself to a question?

How does Commissioner Fischer Boel see the milk quota being applied in the future? We are half way through a review year. We only produce 5 million tonnes of milk in Ireland as against a figure of 14 million tonnes in New Zealand. The country from which the Commissioner comes is only the size of Munster but it has a larger quota. What does the future hold? I take issue with the Commissioner on the price of milk, on which the Minister of State, Deputy Parlon, made a good point. The compensation offered would not——

We can discuss that issue another time.

The Commissioner is here today. We are in a unique situation today in that the gender balance is right.

The Commissioner has been asked a question to which I would like a clear answer. In the Mallow area there is much confusion. Will the Commissioner confirm that the compensatory package on offer from the European Commission is conditional on there being no further production at the Irish sugar plant? Greencore and the contractors are receiving compensation but there is nothing for the workers.

Commissioner Fischer Boel

It is clear that the strong euro against the US dollar is creating problems in the European dairy sector. That is obvious. On the other hand, the decrease in prices which we thought would be sharper makes the sector more competitive on the world market. If European farmers think they can continue to produce butter and skimmed milk powder at the same level as today, they will face problems. They need to do something else. I can only recommend that they be cautious.

Ireland has the lowest prices in Europe.

Commissioner Fischer Boel

No.

Will Deputy O'Keeffe allow the Commissioner to reply without interruption, please?

Commissioner Fischer Boel

The ex-farm price in the milk sector compared to the rest of Europe is not very high but we still have not seen a decrease that corresponds with what we had calculated at the beginning. Therefore, I would like to underline again that if one looks at the price against the quota, the final outcome is not that bad because the level of compensation which is linked to the direct payment to the farmers as part of CAP reform, based on reductions in 2000, 2001 and 2002, gives a fairly good result for farmers because the increase in the direct payment is bigger than the decrease in the milk price.

I do not accept that.

Commissioner Fischer Boel

That is clear but members can discuss it from now until the time my aeroplane leaves.

On the issue of export competition in the case of butter and full milk powder, we increased export refunds by 8% at the management committee meeting recently. Therefore, we are taking care of specific needs in specific sectors. There are limits to what we can do but we have taken into account the specific needs of this sector.

The view on the future of agriculture was very pessimistic.

I am living in the real world.

Commissioner Fischer Boel

If the Deputy is making speeches in the countryside, I understand why young people are staying out of business.

I represent them.

Will the Deputy please allow the Commissioner to reply without interruption?

Commissioner Fischer Boel

I did not want to be rude.

I represent them.

Commissioner Fischer Boel

What I think the Deputy should say to the young farmers is that they have to act like businessmen more than previously and encourage the Government to give us good ideas on how to simplify the system. There is one point on which I agree with the Deputy. We must try to make things simpler——

Commissioner Fischer Boel

——because young farmers want to do what they are good at, being in the fields, not behind their desks.

Commissioner Fischer Boel

If things can be made simpler, I will do my utmost in that regard.

There was a question about the Mallow sugar factory. Does it have to close?

Please allow the Commissioner to conclude.

Commissioner Fischer Boel

That is the reason there are certain possibilities in respect of the health check as part of the CAP reforms in 2008 to see what can be done without demolishing the idea behind them.

I will give one——

I ask the Deputy to please allow the Commissioner to respond without interruption. She is entitled to the courtesy he was afforded.

Commissioner Fischer Boel

This is a little more undisciplined than what I am used to. On the closing down of the Mallow sugar factory, it is clear that when production is disappearing, one can get all the money available. If one wants to maintain production——

Convert to ethanol.

Commissioner Fischer Boel

——be it of sugar or ethanol, as far as I remember, one does not get a figure of 100% but there is that possibility. If I can get the Deputy's card, I would like to give him the exact information in writing——

Commissioner Fischer Boel

——so as not to confuse any of us.

Fair enough.

Commissioner Fischer Boel

I promise the Deputy that I will provide the information quickly.

What about milk quotas?

Commissioner Fischer Boel

I will try to be as precise and quick as possible. In examining the Irish system, I found it to be somewhat static due to the use of a fixed price for milk quotas. Young and optimistic farmers did not have any possibility to negotiate. The price for a quota should be a mirror of the market and it is therefore useful that a new, more flexible system has been implemented to allow the price to vary according to the demand. I have never been in favour of quotas for milk or in any other area. It is a personal view and I would never pass through Council with it, but in looking to the future we should discuss the need for quotas at a time when prices are decreasing. The reason for quotas originally, after all, was to maintain high prices. As a Commissioner, one cannot decide. One suggests and the discussion takes place in Council afterwards.

I acknowledge the presence in the Visitors Gallery of the president of the ICSA, Mr. Malcolm Thompson, the president of the ICMSA, Mr. Jackie Cahill, the president of ICOS, Mr. Pádraig Gibbons, and the president of Macra na Feirme, Mr. Colm Markey. I thank the Commissioner and the Minister for their openness in responding to questions from Members of both Houses as well as those put forward by the public. I hope today sees the start of a greater appreciation of the progress which can be made on agriculture through intensified dialogue between the national Parliament and the European Commission.

I am very conscious of time constraints, Commissioner, but you can see for yourself the interest in and importance Members of the Oireachtas attach to agriculture. Unfortunately, I had to disappoint at least ten colleagues who submitted their names for a question. I thank the Commissioner most sincerely for attending the House and for being so frank in her contribution, replies and exchanges with Members. Today is an important day in the history of our Parliament. I have no doubt the session will help to create much more sustainable relations in communications between the Parliament and the Commission.

The joint committee adjourned at 1.45 p.m. until 12.30 p.m. on Wednesday, 17 May 2006.

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