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JOINT COMMITTEE ON COMMUNICATIONS, MARINE AND NATURAL RESOURCES debate -
Wednesday, 29 Jun 2005

EU Council Framework Decision: Motion.

I welcome the Minister of State at the Department of Communications, Marine and Natural Resources, Deputy Gallagher. The purpose of the meeting is to consider a motion referred by both Houses to the joint committee. The motion, as referred by the Dáil, reads as follows:

That Dáil Eireann approve the exercise by the State of the option or discretion provided by Article 1.11 of the Treaty of Amsterdam to take part in the adoption of a proposal for an EU Council framework decision to strengthen the criminal law framework for the enforcement of the law against ship-source pollution, a copy of which was laid before Dáil Éireann on 22 June 2005.

I thank the Minister of State for acknowledging our letter in regard to the committee's concerns about the sea fisheries (amendment) Bill which his Department is in the process of developing. I hope the Minister of State and the Minister, Deputy Dempsey, will respect the committee's views. We have asked them not to publish the Bill until we have had an opportunity in committee to engage with all of the stakeholders on a special day in September, when we will invite all the different fisheries groups to give their views on the difficulties they experience in regard to the harshness of fines and criminal prosecutions as a result of over-fishing or difficulties with loads, catches and so on. A number of meetings have been held throughout the country, including at Killybegs and Castletownbere. These indicate that the regime operating here under common law — forgive me for using the word "regime" — is far too harsh when one considers the administrative law in force in many European countries.

It is our intention with regard to this matter to invite EU officials to the committee as well as to engage experts to assist us in reviewing the relevant legislation and so on. I hope, at the end of the session we will produce a set of recommendations that will be helpful to the Minister of State, as the policy maker, and his Department.

I support that. It is a wise precedent to invite all the stakeholders to contribute before publishing the Bill and working on amendments. As it is clearly an important issue, to do our homework before the Bill is published shows this is very much a listening process, which sets a precedent other committees should appreciate. It has often been the case that legislation is published before working on amendments. This will speed the process of moving the Bill through the Oireachtas, one which is critically required in light of the draconian system that exists with regard to fines and the criminalisation of fishermen, who are given criminal records when convicted in court, which is exceptional among EU member states fishing in Irish waters.

It is a good precedent and I compliment the Chairman on taking this definite approach to dealing with it. I do not doubt the Minister of State and his officials will seriously consider the letter from the committee.

Perhaps at the same time we should bring in some of the scientists from the Marine Institute and others to highlight the real problems due to overfishing and the effect in the long run for the fishing industry if we do not have fish to catch. It should not be seen that we are here just to look for a relaxation or scaling back of any regime. We will probably need greater controls and better conservation. Within that, we must consider how it will be achieved in the most efficient, fair and equitable manner.

It is our intention to invite the Flag Officer of the Naval Service also. Members of the Houses have made a number of allegations about the Naval Service, inside and outside the Houses.

I received and acknowledged the letter from the committee. I will discuss its contents with the officials in the marine section of my Department and with the Minister, Deputy Dempsey, to whom I understand the committee also wrote. I have taken note of the views expressed by committee members and will respond as soon as possible.

I ask the Minister of State to begin discussion of the framework.

I am genuinely grateful to the committee for allowing me time prior to the recess to discuss this matter. I know it was arranged at short notice, for which I apologise, but I will explain the circumstances under which the matter is before us. Committee members will be aware of the provisions of Article 29.4.6° of the Constitution which reads:

The State may exercise the options or discretions provided by or under Articles 1.11, 2.5 and 2.15 referred to in section 5° of this section and the second and fourth protocols set out in the said Treaty but any such exercise shall be subject to the prior approval of both Houses of the Oireachtas.

The treaty referred to is the Treaty of Amsterdam and the Articles specified include Article 1.11, which introduced new provisions on police and judicial co-operation on criminal matters under which the framework decision was negotiated. The intention of the constitutional provision was that certain matters in respect of which the State could exercise an option or discretion would require the approval of both Houses of the Oireachtas before the Minister could indicate agreement. These could include framework decisions.

The framework decision arose out of the Prestige disaster off the coast of Spain in 2002. A number of initiatives were proposed and-or undertaken at EU and international level in regard to maritime safety and the protection of the marine environment. Among these was a proposal published in March 2003 by the European Commission for a directive of the European Parliament and Council on ship-source pollution and the introduction of sanctions and criminal sanctions for pollution offences.

The proposal was referred for examination at official level by the Council's maritime transport working group. Member states at the maritime transport working group including Ireland, supported the objective of the proposal, but opposed the inclusion of provisions on criminal sanctions in a community instrument. Accordingly, in May 2003, the Commission proposed a parallel framework decision to strengthen criminal law framework for consideration by justice and home affairs ministers. Maritime and transport ministers, under Ireland's presidency reached political agreement on a text for the proposed directive in June 2004. This text included, inter alia, removal of prescriptive criminal sanctions.

The council formally adopted a common position in October 2004. Justice and home affairs ministers reached political agreement on the framework decision in December 2004. The European Parliament's first reading in January 2004 proposed a number of amendments to the proposed directive. In January 2005 the Parliament recommended amendments to the common position for adoption at second reading, including pre-insertion of provisions for the relevant criminal aspects. In February 2005, with a view to reaching compromise and in light of informal discussions between Parliament, the Commission and the Presidency, Council proposed a revised text that has been accepted by Parliament. The revised text includes, inter alia, references to the framework decision relating to the criminal aspect. Council undertook to adopt the framework decision at the same time as the directive. Political agreement was reached on a framework decision, subject to parliamentary reservation by five member states, including Ireland.

Approval for the measure is required from both Houses of the Oireachtas prior to its adoption. The European Parliament procedures require the directive by mid-July of this year. Oireachtas approval is accordingly required before the summer recess. At the meeting of 21 June 2005, the Government approved the submission of motions to both Houses. All other member states are in a position to lift the remaining reservations. The framework decision requires member states, inter alia, to provide that certain ship-source pollution infringements be regarded as criminal offences; to provide for effective, proportionate and dissuasive criminal penalties; to ensure the liability of certain parties and to provide a certain level of maximum penalties.

The directive and the framework decision will be required to be transposed into Irish law. The Sea Pollution Act 1991 provides for offences and sanctions, including imprisonment, for pollution from ships as set out in both instruments. The Act may require amendment following adoption of the instruments at EU level. My Department will examine this aspect in consultation with the Department of Justice, Equality and Law Reform and the Attorney General's office. I regret the short notice given to the committee but I trust it will appreciate the importance of adopting these instruments at EU level. I have no hesitation in recommending the approval of both Houses of the Oireachtas on this matter.

I am in full agreement with the Minister of State on adopting these instruments as they concern very important issues. It makes good sense that there is uniformity within this very important framework.

I thank the Minister for setting out the sequence of events that result in his presenting this motion for approval. I accept the accuracy of the outline and understand the reasons as set out.

It would have been useful for the committee to have notice that the motion would go before the Oireachtas. That was the difficulty for the officials working with the committee. There is an important issue of communication between the Department and the committee that needs to be improved. On a number of occasions there have been overlaps in timing and Bills presented at short notice. We see large numbers of amendments proposed on Report Stage.

Was Ireland originally opposed to the principle of criminal charges being introduced in this directive? Was Ireland opposed to the general principle of EU directives incorporating criminal charges, which the Department of Justice, Equality and Law Reform was reluctant to accept, rather than criminal charges for pollution at sea?

The reason for our reservations here was that there was a question over the legal basis. The harmonisation and co-ordination of criminal law in the EU is provided for under title six of the Treaty on European Union. A number of states, including Ireland, in the Council's legal service, considered it inappropriate to provide for criminal sanctions. The questions of the first and third pillar arose. We felt it inappropriate to provide for criminal sanctions in a first pillar instrument. Our reservations were based on the legal basis of the directive.

The committee is pleased to facilitate the Minister on this non-contentious matter. I fully support what he is trying to achieve. My question is similar to that of Deputy Eamon Ryan on the maritime transport working group. Why was the parallel framework needed? It seems bureaucratic to have two documents incorporating one recommendation. The Minister has largely replied to this question.

I will paint the whole background for the members. After the Prestige disaster there were a series of initiatives that led to the Council’s proposal to sanction ship-source pollution. The original proposal contained criminal sanctions and this presented a legal problem. In parallel with this the justice and home affairs ministers agreed on the criminal law aspect of this in the framework decision.

The Clerk of the committee will send a message to the Clerk of the Dáil and the Clerk of the Seanad stating that the joint committee has considered the following motion:

That the proposal that Dáil Éireann approve the exercise by the State of the option or discretion provided by Article 1.11 of the Treaty of Amsterdam to take part in the adoption of a proposal for an EU Council Framework Decision to strengthen the criminal law framework for the enforcement of the law against ship-source pollution, a copy of which was laid before Dáil Éireann on 22 June, 2005, be referred to the Joint Committee on Communications, Marine and Natural Resources, in accordance with paragraph (2) of the Orders of Reference of that Committee, which, not later than 1 July 2005, shall send a message to the Dáil in the manner prescribed in Standing Order 85, and Standing Order 84(2) shall accordingly apply.

Is that agreed?

It is not agreed. I am sorry for being late but this meeting clashed with the Order of Business and the start of Dáil business. I was not aware of the clash. What are the implications for Irish law?

I referred to that in the course of my presentation. The directive and the framework decision will be required to be transposed into Irish law. The Sea Pollution Act 1991 provides for offences and sanctions for pollution from ships as set out in both of the instruments. The 1991 Act may require amendment and if so I will deal with that as expeditiously as possible. My Department, in consultation with the Department of Justice, Equality and Law Reform and the Attorney General's office, is considering this at the moment. It is necessary to expedite and fast track because the European Parliament's procedures require the directive to be adopted by mid-July 2005. Prior to the Deputy's arrival, I apologised to the committee for the short notice, which was not intentional. The short notice must be balanced with the necessity to be part of the directive on ship-source pollution. We have bought into this. During the course of the Irish Presidency of the European Union we progressed this directive and we are anxious to be part of it.

With regard to the information the Minister of State gave us earlier concerning single-hulled vessels, is that happening anyway or does it depend on this directive?

All new vessels must be double-hulled. At a practical level there are single-hulled vessels in operation. There are restrictions and constraints, but these vessels are being dealt with separately.

Is it intended to give Deputies an opportunity to discuss this in the Dáil?

No. It went through by agreement the other day because of the time constraints. It is unfortunate that there is a constraint. I want the matter to be as open and transparent as possible, but we had to have a conclusion on it before the recess.

Why, is there a second item on the agenda on this matter?

I am advised it is because the committee must report on the matter to the Whips this afternoon.

Is it agreed that we send a message from the clerk of the committee to the Clerks of the Dáil and Seanad stating that we have completed our consideration of this motion? Agreed.

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