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JOINT COMMITTEE ON FOREIGN AFFAIRS debate -
Tuesday, 12 Oct 2004

Western Sudan: Presentation.

I apologise to the representatives of Trócaire about the delay. It is the time of the Estimates, one of great concern to us regarding all the work in this area.

I welcome the delegation, which consists of the deputy director, Mr. Éamonn Meehan, and Ms Muireann Kirrane. Trócaire has been invited to brief the committee on the ongoing crisis in Darfur in western Sudan, including the current humanitarian and security situation, and to present recommendations on responding to the still very grave state of affairs.

Before we commence, I remind the meeting that while members are covered by privilege, others attending before it are not. I invite Mr. Meehan to begin the presentation.

Mr. Éamonn Meehan

I thank the Chairman and the committee for giving the representatives of Trócaire the opportunity to speak this afternoon. I hope members have accessed the document I have circulated to them. I do not intend to repeat its content. After I have made one or two brief opening comments, I propose to focus on the issues which Trócaire considers to be in need of the attention of the committee and the Government.

A devastating humanitarian situation has emerged in Sudan in the past 12 months. As we all know, it is not the first crisis of this type in the country. The problems have emerged as the 20 year civil war between the south of Sudan and the Government in Khartoum seemed to be reaching some form of resolution. There are many links between current events in Darfur and the overall peace process in Sudan. Everybody is aware of the emergence of the conflict. Local rebel groups in Darfur are seeking greater representation, more autonomy and additional resources for the region. According to UN figures, some 50,000 people have died and 1.5 million have been displaced as a result of the response of the Sudanese Government to these demands, as well as the re-emergence with renewed intensity of the well armed Janjaweed organisation. Some 200,000 have been displaced into neighbouring Chad.

It is worth noting, in the wider Sudanese context, that what is happening in Darfur is also happening, albeit not to the same extent, in smaller regional conflicts in other parts of Sudan such as the eastern Kordofan area. The Sudanese state faces major regional governance challenges, as it has over the past 20 years. The conflict in Darfur is the biggest example at present, but we need to be aware that others can be found in other parts of Sudan. I will speak about the links between the Darfur crisis and the peace process between northern and southern Sudan.

Conflict about access to and ownership of resources is a national issue in Sudan. It is not just an issue in the Darfur region. The committee will be aware that the problems in Darfur are causing wider political tensions within Sudan. The conflict is causing some stress to the Government and its authority. It is well known that at least one of the rebel groups in Darfur is linked to opposition groups in Khartoum.

Much has been made of the conflict as an ethnic struggle between Arab militia and people of African origin. While the problem has such an ethnic aspect, it would be wrong to focus on it as the critical issue. There is much inter-marriage and inter-mixing in the Darfur region, as there is in many other places where there are conflicts of this nature. It is difficult to say with any certainty who belongs, ethnically, to one group or the other.

I noted the comments by representatives of Development Co-operation Ireland about the current humanitarian situation. Trócaire considers that the humanitarian situation in Darfur continues to be grave. Some 1.5 million have been displaced and the vast majority of the people of the region will not have a harvest this year. Officials from the World Food Programme have indicated that up to 2 million people will require food aid for the next 12 months and possibly longer. One of the tragedies of the conflict is that there is no possibility that those who have been displaced will be able to produce their own food. It is highly unlikely that the vast majority will return to their own homes within the next 12 months. Therefore, it is probable that there will be no harvest next year also.

There continues to be a high monthly death toll in Darfur. The United Nations estimates that 10,000 are dying each month as a result of disease, a lack of food and the ongoing violence in the region. Those who leave the camps in search of food or firewood often become victims of violent attack. Many thousands who are not in camps have been displaced to isolated hilly and mountainous regions and cannot access humanitarian assistance.

I should have said my colleague, Ms Muireann Kirrane, spent a number of months in Nyala, working on the relief effort in Darfur where I spent one week in September looking at what was happening there and visiting camps for displaced people. The situation in many of the camps is stable in terms of access to food, water and sanitation. However, that is not the case throughout Darfur. The further one goes from centres of population and the capital towns of the different parts of Darfur, the more difficult it is for NGOs and UN agencies to access populations and ensure people are looked after properly.

Humanitarian problems continue in the Darfur region. I met numerous UN officials when I was in the area about four weeks ago. UN officials in Darfur were quite concerned at the time about their logistical capacity to meet the needs of displaced people in parts of the region. I accept that the logistical capacity of the United Nations is improving and has probably been improving in the weeks since I was there but with the NGOs it still faces problems in meeting people's needs.

Security is another problem faced by those trying to alleviate the humanitarian difficulties. Relations between the local Sudanese authorities and the humanitarian agencies, including the United Nations and NGOs, are, by and large, good. However, the Government is preventing travel in certain parts of Darfur, legitimately in certain cases. It is not possible for NGOs or the United Nations to enter the parts of Darfur nominated by the Sudanese Government as areas of conflict. There are doubts about the ability of the international community to ensure adequate protection for some in the Darfur area.

I wish to discuss some of the issues which Trócaire considers to be critical if the crisis in Darfur is to be stabilised, if not resolved. Such issues need to be addressed if we are to facilitate the development of circumstances in which a resolution could emerge. The presence of African Union troops on the ground is absolutely critical. People in the camps say they are most concerned about their own protection and safety. The vast majority continue to have a serious level of fear. It is the first thing they talk about, even before basic needs such as food, shelter or water.

It is clear that tens of thousands of African Union troops are required in the Darfur region. While Development Co-operation Ireland was right to refer to humanitarian workers as the eyes and ears of the international community, their role is not formalised. A formalised structure is needed to protect the population in the region. The Sudanese Government needs to be placed under continuous pressure to deliver in this regard. While it has accepted that additional troops are required, it considers that between 3,000 and 5,000 troops would be adequate. I am of the view that multiples of these figures are required. Countries like Ireland, other EU member states and the United States are required to provide the necessary logistical and financial training and backup expertise to enable this to happen.

The most recent report by Jan Pronk, the Secretary General's special representative to Sudan, stated the mandate of the African Union forces needs to be expanded beyond working as ceasefire monitors to operate as a protection force for the civilian population, protect the internally displaced people and those who, in many cases, are still living at home and ensure they monitor the activities of the Sudanese security forces. From our experience on the ground, this is critical because the displaced population has little trust in the Sudanese security forces. We also have credible stories of members of the militia being integrated into the Sudanese police force.

It is important that the Government of Sudan continues to be made aware of its responsibilities in regard to the protection of its people. Not only has it been negligent in this respect but it has also brought about circumstances in which many people have died and a humanitarian catastrophe has occurred. It must control and disarm the Janjaweed militia and bring to justice those responsible for the current situation. Our Government must take every available opportunity to press home this message and can do so by discussing the matter with the Government of Sudan. While I am aware it has already done so, it must happen on an ongoing basis.

Four members of the Security Council, including two permanent members, abstained from the Security Council vote on Resolution 1564. Discussion and dialogue with the governments in question would be useful.

As I stated, tensions remain high in the Darfur region. While relations are reasonably good between the NGO community and officials of the Government of Sudan, this is not the case as regards the population in the camps. We have noted a new development about which Sudanese colleagues have also informed us, namely, an increasing supply of small arms in the camps for displaced people. In other words, displaced people are arming themselves. This is creating further tension and the Sudanese security forces want to take action against those in the camps who are armed. Obviously, it also creates greater potential for further outbreaks of violence.

I mentioned the links between events in Darfur and developments in the peace talks between the Government of Sudan and the SPLM. While the international community has a responsibility to be clear and forthright with the Government of Sudan as regards its responsibilities in Darfur, we must also ensure that momentum is not lost in the peace process and the talks in Naivasha in Kenya between the Government of Sudan and the SPLM. If this process was to unravel, not only would it set back any hope of a peaceful settlement in Darfur, it would also be highly destabilising for Sudan as a whole at a time when local conflicts are emerging in other parts of the country.

As regards peace talks, we have many contacts with local Sudanese non-governmental organisations and civil society, including in Darfur. They tell us that peace processes need to be initiated through which the traditional local leadership in the communities from which the Janjaweed come, and in other communities which have been victims of the Janjaweed, have an opportunity to engage in dialogue. This could be effective in restoring some stability.

Attempts have been made by the Government of Sudan to encourage IDPs to return to their home areas. Some of those who left camps to return home have been forced to return to the camps due to a lack of security. It is critical that any repatriation of people to their home areas must be voluntary and informed. They need to know what is the position locally and they must not be coerced.

Another worrying proposal is that people in the camps be moved to other safe areas, rather than their home areas. This is unacceptable to displaced people who want to return to the villages and communities from which they have been displaced. They do not want — nor would it be acceptable — the current position to become a fait accompli, with communities prevented from re-establishing and people unable to have access to their traditional lands. That would be an unfortunate outcome.

The issue of sanctions has been raised on a number of occasions. At their meeting in September, EU Foreign Ministers stated that the option of imposing sanctions should remain a consideration. This is useful. The next few months will be critical in terms of the Government of Sudan meeting its international obligations. Time is passing and while the current position is not as bad as four to six months ago, it does not mean it could not be better. The Government of Sudan has made some progress — it has opened up to international NGOs and humanitarian workers — but violence, mistrust of the security forces and the activities of the Janjaweed are still problems and a serious humanitarian crisis persists. As I stated, the key aspect of the crisis is that the World Food Programme estimates it will need to feed at least 2 million people for at least another six months.

In terms of the critical issues the Irish Government should pursue on an ongoing basis, they include strengthening the African Union force in the region and elaborating on its mandate. While the inflow of funds to the UN has been good in recent weeks, UN appeals, including the World Food Programme and other programmes, continue to show shortfalls. Only voluntary returns to home areas should be allowed and any attempt to coerce people to return home or establish them in new areas should be resisted.

Sustained political pressure on the Government of Sudan is necessary to ensure it meets the commitments it has formally made to the United Nations and various political leaders who have travelled to Khartoum in recent months. In particular, the Sudanese Government must control and disarm the militias and work to bring to justice those who are responsible for the acts which have taken place. The Irish Government should continue to ensure it provides moral and, if possible, other support to the Sudanese peace process, in particular regarding the talks between the north and the south. I ask the joint committee to monitor the developments in Darfur in the coming months. It would also be useful if the committee monitored the reports of Mr. Jan Pronk, who has been critical of the Sudanese Government, to the Security Council and take whatever action it considers appropriate in response.

As regards Trócaire's humanitarian programme, we have raised significant funds from the public, amounting to approximately €5 million. We also received an additional €500,000 from DCI for our humanitarian programme. We are doing a number of things. We are providing resources to local Sudanese NGOs in Darfur. While they are quite small, their capacity is increasing. We believe it is important to continue to support these people because they have local knowledge, an instinctive understanding of the issues and a capacity to deliver, immediately and quickly, often in ways that larger and more unwieldy international operations do not possess.

In addition, we are providing personnel and finance to a major international relief effort put together by Caritas, the international network of Catholic relief agencies, and ACT, Action by Churches Together, which is the Protestant equivalent of Caritas. This is the first occasion on which the two international networks have established a joint programme. The latter is quite extensive, employs approximately 30 international staff and over 100 local Sudanese staff and has a budget of approximately €17 million. It provides support and relief across a variety of sectors to populations of IDPs and also to host communities. I should have mentioned that earlier because it is also critically important. In many instances, IDP camps are side by side with pre-existing Sudanese communities which suffer by virtue of the sudden influx of often tens of thousands of displaced people. Part of the programme is, therefore, to work with this host communities.

I thank Mr. Meehan.

I thank Trócaire for its presentation. I wish to make a point which will arise when the Secretary General of the United Nations visits Ireland during the week, namely, the distinction between humanitarian intervention — which has had an inglorious record for a long period — and humanitarian protection. As a concept, the latter has been developed by Dr. Sahnoun, who worked in Somalia for a period, and others. It is a very different concept in nature and we may see it evolving in the Sudanese context. I support the proposal in terms of widening and strengthening the mandate of the African Union and increasing support to it.

The concept of humanitarian intervention has been used since Mussolini's invasion of Africa. Humanitarian protection, as Dr. Sahnoun and others have developed it, involves inviting a group, through a mandate, to assure the protection of a people where a government, for some reason, is not able or willing to provide protection for significant proportions of its population. We are in the very early days of this concept as it is discussed in the context of UN reform. However, there is hope, through the mandate of the African Union, that it will be advanced during this conflict.

Related to this is the concept of considering the position of the Sudanese Government in an appropriate context. There should be international support and assistance for the wider peace process, a matter that was mentioned in the presentation. I agree with that, particularly in terms of the north-south process. Taking this approach would enable the Sudanese Government to step back and also make an admission about what it has not achieved. I do not see the merit, in the short term, of over-stressing that which the Sudanese Government has not been able to achieve. One can easily say so but it is a matter of evaluation for me considering it from an outside perspective. If one unleashes a certain kind of force, one cannot easily put it back in the bottle and it spins out of control in a new kind of context because a new element has been added into the conflict.

Reports such as that with which we have been presented are extremely valuable. They are particularly valuable because they go beyond the description of what is the humanitarian need. It always has been one of the strengths of Trócaire to try to see how we can begin to deal with the sources of conflicts.

That is all I want to say. The two concepts can be linked together and the role of the African Union can be expanded and strengthened. I am not sure whether opposing both concepts is an irredentist assertion of sovereignty. The point that will always be raised by those on the other side of this argument is that one must bear in mind the post-colonial, post-imperial past of the entire continent and that countries have often arrived painfully and, in some circumstances, through terrible struggle at a concept of sovereignty. The literature from the 1960s indicates that these countries joined the UN at that time as an exercise in sovereignty. To some extent, the acceptance of the concept of humanitarian protection, which is so desperately needed in a crisis of this nature, means that one must be willing to mitigate the strong assertion of one's sovereignty. That, perhaps, can only be brought about by the regional dialogue. I suspect that this is one of the themes that will be developed by the Secretary General of the UN, Kofi Annan, on his visit to Ireland later this week.

I welcome Mr. Meehan and Ms Kirrane. We have had a busy day and they were obliged to wait a long time before coming before the committee. However, I am sure they did not mind, particularly as they have had the opportunity to make the case for Darfur and Sudan. We have already heard the official view on the situation there and we have now heard Trócaire's view on it. I heard a woman on radio yesterday speaking about Darfur and she stated that the living conditions there at present are similar to those that existed here 1,000 years ago.

It was stated that 2 million people have been displaced, in one form or another, and are in need of assistance. Can members imagine what would be the situation if 50% of Ireland's population — which stands at 4 million — required assistance or support? It is important to continue to highlight and make the case in respect of this matter. It is also vital that people such as our guests continue to speak out. While we can do so much as individuals, it must be stressed that the message must continue to be put across. There are major problems in Darfur, some of which are outside of our control. However, the people there depend on the NGOs and the many other agencies operating in the region.

It is a pleasure, at any time, to hear from our guests. They should keep knocking at the door because the more they do so, the more we have to answer and the more other people to whom we have to make representations will continue to respond. I hope that we can have some impact on the lives of the people in the region in the years ahead.

The security and general political situation in the region seems to have deteriorated. Our guests stated that the return of displaced people from the camps must be voluntary and we would agree with them in that regard. The difficulty is that these people cannot get out. We visited Uganda recently and stayed in Gulu which is quite close to the border. Joseph Kony's rebels, the LRA, were extremely active in the area. People state that they want to see less intervention from the army but when we were there we wanted to see more of it because we felt we were out in the open to a large extent. The army had detailed soldiers to try to protect people working in the fields to bring crops to harvest. The situation there was very tense and people were killed. There are 1.2 million displaced people in the camps in Uganda. There are many problems in those camps but they are making the best of the situation and the NGOs are doing great work with the DCI and the missionaries.

It does not seem to be understood that if there is no security, people cannot work their lands. The lands may only amount to three or four acres. In Ethiopia, they measure only half a hectare. However, if the weather was good enough and water was available one could produce enough to live for the year on it. Deputy Carey mentioned the valley which has been transformed by the 6,000 people living there. They are able to get three crops per annum. They have patches of different crops, as well as honey.

Difficulties arise when the farm work cannot be done. This is happening in Uganda when people would leave the camp just for the day to tend the land so that they would have crops sown and have something to follow through.

The situation was improving. There is a greater possibility now of reaching some form of agreement and having negotiations. We met all the different religious groups who are trying to get negotiations underway at present.

We came across the difficulties to which Mr. Meehan referred and we appreciate the problem. What might help stop the 10,000 deaths per month? Greater security is the answer so that everybody can operate and work. That means recruiting substantial numbers of military personnel from the AU. I take it the AU only have 400 personnel there and it will increase that number to approximately 3,500. While it is the right way to proceed it is very little in the context of the problems there.

Do sanctions work, or if one can get people to move along with one is it better to opt for that route? There seems to be a difficulty in agreeing on sanctions that work. We will monitor the position over the coming months.

We hope to keep in close contact with Mr. Meehan. The sum €5 million which Trócaire raised and the sum of €0.5 million it got from DCI is indicative. This is a point I make in the context of the Estimates and the funds for DCI. For example, UNICEF made clear to us in Zambia that Ireland is the world's second largest contributor per capita to UNICEF. That is coming directly from the people. It is not official aid. As an indication of the generosity of people here, Trócaire appealed for funding and got €5 million. While Trócaire can do a great deal with that, it is a small sum in the context of the total requirement. However, it shows how good people here are in supporting Trócaire.

The Irish people want to see good governance and they do not want to see money wasted. They also want to see good accounting, as do we all, but it is so important to keep up the work of Trócaire and to get agreement in the area. There is a ceasefire of sorts but the challenge is to make it real.

Mr. Meehan, you may wish to say more at this stage. I am sorry so many of the members have had to leave but there are other meetings taking place around the House. That is what Deputy Carey was saying. I am supposed to be at the meeting he is attending.

Deputy O'Donnell has a meeting too.

Deputy O'Donnell said so.

I must also leave.

Mr. Meehan

I will make a couple of brief comments in response. On humanitarian protection and the African Union, at present there is close dialogue between the Government of Sudan and other African Union member states and that is very important. On the presence of African Union peace-keepers, there is a possibility here for some real learning and a building of confidence within the African Union that this project could be a model for how things might be achieved in the future. In a sense, it involves many African governments accepting responsibility for aspects of humanitarian protection in their own region, which is very important. It is good that that is happening and if we can continue to support it there would be a positive outcome.

The issue of sovereignty is critical. It is regularly evident within the Security Council when votes are being taken but there are occasions when one must step back from the notion of absolute sovereignty as the critical measure by which responses are judged.

In answer to Deputy Wallace's comment, it will take many years before what has happened over the past ten or 12 months is reversed. Even when people get the opportunity to return to their homes they find them destroyed, they have no animals and they have no seeds. Their farms will be overgrown when they get home. It will be many years, and will require much international support, to ensure the process of rehabilitation takes place and succeeds. In a sense the international community must make a long-term commitment to the people in Darfur.

There are links across the border between Sudan and Uganda in terms of the conflict in northern Uganda. Death within Darfur is caused by a number of different factors. Being displaced with no resources probably means that many people will die of disease. There is no sanitation or water for many of those displaced people. For children, in particular, that is critical and it is almost a death sentence. Problems of insecurity also lead to deaths. Malnutrition is a problem for young children, whose diet is greatly constrained and is not as rich as it would be if they were living in their own communities where they would have access to grain, meat and milk. All of those factors combine to bring about a situation where the UN states that what is happening is a humanitarian crisis by virtue of the numbers of people per 100,000 of population who die on a monthly basis. In a variety of different ways, intervention must happen which can help to reduce that over time.

Sanctions are a last resort. There are also questions over their political feasibility. The Sudanese Government has been relatively slow over recent months in making progress in terms of meeting its commitments. I note the statement by the Dutch Foreign Minister, who is currently in Khartoum, to the effect that the EU foreign ministers will come back to this issue at the end of the year. They are right to insist that it is still on their agenda as a possible option.

It is correct to say that members of the Irish public are inherently committed to the well-being of others far from our shores. It is true, in terms of voluntary contributions to agencies like ours and in terms of our commitment to the official aid programme. I do not think there is any doubt about it.

Thank you, Mr. Meehan, for contributing to the meeting and for waiting patiently. You heard a good deal about the Estimates, which was probably interesting.

Mr. Meehan

It was fascinating.

I thank you for your informative, if somewhat disturbing, presentation. We will take your advice and monitor the position over the coming months.

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