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Seanad Éireann debate -
Tuesday, 13 Dec 1932

Vol. 16 No. 7

Rates on Agricultural Land (Relief) Bill, 1932.—Second Stage.

Question proposed—"That the Bill be now read a Second Time.

The object of this Bill is to provide for the grant and distribution amongst county councils and certain urban districts of a sum of £250,000 to be applied by them in relieving to a certain extent the rates leviable during the current financial year in respect of agricultural land. The Bill proposes that the sum of £250,000 should be allocated in the proportions set forth in the Schedule to the Bill.

It is intended that the benefit of the grant should be given primarily to small farmers who, for this purpose, are taken to be persons in possession of agricultural land, the rateable value of which does not exceed £10. Larger farmers in possession of land of greater value are not excluded from benefit but will rank as if they were small farmers in possession of land not exceeding £10 in value. Other persons in occupation of agricultural land will participate in the benefit of the grant to the same extent as if they were small farmers. The benefit to be given was fixed at approximately three-fourths of the current rates leviable on such valuations.

Accordingly the proportion on which the grant is allocated is based on the aggregate of the number of valuation units of £10 or less in each county and urban district and the current rates leviable thereon. For this purpose, with certain exceptions, a person in occupation of agricultural land the total valuation of which exceeds £10 is treated as in occupation of land of a valuation of £10. These exceptions are specified in Section 2 of the Bill and comprise land in respect of which owners, not being occupiers, are rated under the Local Government (Rates on Small Dwellings) Act, 1928, or land acquired by local authorities under the Labourers Acts or held by the Land Commission. Each tenement held by these persons and bodies is for the purpose of the Bill regarded as having a separate valuation unit and accordingly they get the benefit of the grant in respect of each holding.

The sum of £250,000 has therefore been apportioned between each of the counties and urban districts in proportion to the total of the valuation units calculated as described in each such county and urban district and the rates leviable thereon. Thus if each of the sums set forth in the Schedule is divided by the sum of the valuation units in each county and urban district, it will produce a rate in the £ equivalent to approximately three-fourths of the current rates leviable thereon in respect of agricultural land.

The remission of rates which each person will obtain is therefore measured by the product of his unit of valuation and such rates as so ascertained. The remission on this basis would roughly be equivalent to three-fourths of the current rates on land on the basis of a valuation of £10 or less.

At the time the Government announced their intention of making this grant, most of the rates in the counties and urban districts had either been made or were in process of being made and it was not considered practicable to have the rates revised on the basis of the grants to be made to each county and urban district. It is accordingly proposed that the allowances to be made to ratepayers will be made by the issue of credit notes to the amount of the remission due to each ratepayer.

On presentation of any such credit note in part payment of rates, credit will be given to the ratepayer concerned to the extent of the amount specified in the note. Such credit note may be presented in part payment of any rate due by the ratepayer. Provision is made for the refund either in whole or in part to a ratepayer, who has paid all his rates for the current year, of the amount of a credit note issued to him.

With a view to expediting the payment of rates it is provided that the benefit of credit notes must be claimed on or before the 31st day of March, 1933, the last day of the current financial year. Any proportion of the grant which is not disposed of by the end of that year will be applied in the subsequent year in like manner as the ordinary agricultural grant would be applicable, and thus any balance outstanding will go in relief of the general body of persons rated in respect of agricultural land.

It was necessary to give certain directions and instructions to county and urban district councils in anticipation of the provisions of this Bill, and accordingly by Section 10 of the Bill provision is made for their validation, and the validation of the acts done by those councils under such directions or instructions.

Attached to this Bill there is a Schedule in which, if I understand it rightly, the various amounts are allocated to the different counties. I should like to know on what basis that Schedule is prepared, because it seems somewhat arbitrary, in the absence of explanation, that a county of rather large holdings like Limerick gets proportionately such a large grant. Personally, I do not see a reason for the Schedule at all if it is going to apply to holdings of a certain denomination. One cannot see the necessity for making it water-tight in counties also. On this whole question of our local finances generally could the Minister give the House any indication of how the current rates are being met? Is there going to be any likelihood of a deficit in the current rates and, if so, how is that deficiency going to be met? The Minister can understand that he cannot expect the ordinary commercial sources, such as the banks who ordinarily provide the finances, to continue to finance a situation where, apparently, the rates are not being paid Where the rates are not being paid a totally different situation is being created, which would appear to need the aid of a central authority. I should like to know whether the Minister anticipates any demand on the Central Fund in order to make good deficits on the rates?

On a point of information, I should like to know from the Minister what is the effect of the Bill? Many farmers with whom I am acquainted got a credit note for £1. Nearly everybody got it. I should like to know whether the small man, up to £10, is getting the benefit of three-fourths of his rates. I understood that rates on £10 of land are written off for everybody, but £1 would not be three-fourths of the rates of a £10 man. My rates are about £280 and I got £1 relief, so I am doing well. But am I correct in understanding the Minister to say that the small man gets three-fourths of the rates he would pay allowed now under this Act?

So far as I know, there is a certain sum of money available and there is a certain number of ratepayers' rates divided up between them. I also got a credit note for £1 and I intend to pay my rates before the 31st March, 1933. I am sure Senator Wilson will pay his rates also.

Of course I will. This is a question of information I want, and has nothing to do with whether I pay my rates or not.

Section 3 gives the definition that the Senator asked for, I think. I admit it is an involved section, but I need not read it for you as you can read it for yourselves. That section sets out the basis on which the money has been allocated and the desire was to give three-fourths of the net rate after taking into account the million and three-quarters on agricultural land that has already been granted at different times to holders of agricultural land, not in any case to relieve it to more than three-fourths of the net rate due. To give such relief, as I believe, would not be more than three-fourths. That was the principle that was allotted as to how the money was divided between the Twenty-Six Counties.

Generally speaking, with regard to the collection of rates, I may say that we would be pleased if the rates were coming in more rapidly and better than they are, but on the whole, taking the economic situation of the country as it is, we are not dissatisfied. From some statements I read in the Press—newspaper statements and the statements of statesmen and politicians—I did think that at the end of the half year we would have been in a much worse state. I am glad to say, however, that we were agreeably surprised with the collection of rates in many counties. On the whole, we are not dissatisfied and we do not look upon the prospect for the end of the financial year as a bad one.

Question put and agreed to.
Ordered — That the Committee Stage be taken on Wednesday, 14th December.
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