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Seanad Éireann debate -
Wednesday, 11 May 1949

Vol. 36 No. 11

British Bill—Protest Motion.

I move:—

Seanad Éireann,

SOLEMNLY REASSERTING the indefeasible right of the Irish nation to the unity and integrity of the national territory,

REAFFIRMING the sovereign right of the people of Ireland to choose its own form of Government and, through its democratic institutions, to decide all questions of national policy, free from outside interference,

REPUDIATING the claim of the British Parliament to enact legislation affecting Ireland's territorial integrity in violation of those rights, and

PLEDGING the determination of the Irish people to continue the struggle against the unjust and unnatural partition of our country until it is brought to a successful conclusion;

PLACES ON RECORD its indignant protest against the introduction in the British Parliament of legislation purporting to endorse and continue the existing partition of Ireland, and

CALLS UPON the British Government and people to end the present occupation of our six north-eastern counties, and thereby enable the unity of Ireland to be restored and the age-long difference between the two nations brought to an end.

The terms of the motion which I have the honour to propose seem to an Irishman to be very clear and very simple. A great deal was said yesterday in the other House about the political aspect of this problem but it might be well to remark that there are other aspects too. It is true that no State for any part of Ireland, in the modern sense, emerged until 27 years ago—1922—but it is also true that there has been for a great many years, perhaps for a couple of thousand years, in this island population with a keen sense of Irishmans; a population not necessarily of the same race but composed of people who felt that Ireland was their country, that they were Irish —people who were attracted by what has sometimes been called "the personality of Ireland". Various races contributed to that position—Gaels, Norwegians, Normans, Welsh, English, Scots, even French Huguenots and Palatine Germans. All made their contribution to Ireland and all showed that sense of unity and that sense of being Irish. That is one of the first facts that has to be taken into consideration when we discuss this motion. It deals with the difference between the nation and the State and the fact that the nation comes before the State in point of time. There is, in Irish literature, a very great deal of the most beautiful poetry dealing entirely with deóruíocht, or exile. As far back as the sixth century there is the story of Colmcille, the saint who evangelised Scotland and who founded schools in Scotland as well. Saint Colmcille was exiled from Ireland —not from Derry, the city which bears his name, but from Ireland. In all our poems and in all the literature and folklore of our country up to the present moment this country has always been regarded as an island which included Antrim and Down as well as Cork and Kerry. As a matter of fact, that particular attraction of Ireland, that particular capacity of Ireland to attract people and to hold people and to make them Irish, had many manifestations. In the County Down, in the early part of the 19th century, a Presbyterian Minister could not take up a living unless he were able to preach to his flock in the Irish language. That applied to other religions too.

I want to suggest that that Irishness is a natural historical growth. It is something of very great strength and something which no Act of Parliament of Great Britain or anywhere else can destroy or arrest. It is evident everywhere, particularly in the North, because even the Belfast Orangeman is incurably Irish and the notion that he can be made British by any form of propaganda is simply foolish. Nobody is clearer upon that than himself. When I speak of this Irishness which is so remarkable in this country with its natural boundaries, I do not mean that I desire accomplishment here, or that there ever was an accomplishment here, of complete uniformity, unity or sameness racially. I do not speak for racialism at all. I believe that variety of population, variety of culture and variety of outlook lead to strength in a nation just as variety in industry and agriculture leads to economic strength. This Irish nation of which we speak is something of natural and historic growth. Northern Ireland as an area is something brought about by the British, an entirely artificial thing created by the British Parliament for its own purposes and, it is well I think to observe, exclusively by British votes. It has no roots in history, geography or economics. It has no natural boundaries, either river or mountain. It has no homogeneous population. In many areas, as has been said over and over again, there are nationalist majorities, but even in the place where there is the most homogeneous Partitionist population, in Belfast City and its surroundings, there is still a strong, vocal, dissatisfied minority of one-third of the people. Neither from the point of view of history nor from the point of view of present population, therefore, is there anything but artificiality in that carefully selected area. The boundary deprives a countryside of its natural markets and deprives country towns of their natural customers.

Both the central and local government in Northern Ireland have had many charges made against them, charges of bigotry, charges of favouritism on political grounds, charges that membership of the Orange Order is more important if you want a house or a job than service in the British Army or wounds honourably received in war in the service of the King. Our objection to the existence in this country of another State governed ultimately from Great Britain does not depend on the nature of that Government. If it were flawless and without reproach our objection would still subsist. It is also well to remember that the differences between us are not differences as to loyalty to the Crown. I can remember the time when a Home Rule Bill was going to be accepted here with enthusiasm by a great number of people and with the acquiescence of the vast majority of the remainder and which contained a full-blooded Oath of Allegiance to the Crown and no provision for an Irish Army or an Irish voice in foreign affairs. It was to fight that particular Bill and to prevent the Irish people from accepting it that arms were brought into Ireland by the Orangemen, and Great Britain observed towards those arms brought in by Orangemen a very benevolent neutrality, a neutrality for which they have since paid a very heavy price indeed. We hear of other objections to unity; objections based on genuine fear. Surely these fears could be met by the repeated declarations of the minority in this State and the record of Government in this country since 1922 where different Governments of widely different points of view have agreed, not only in theory but in practice, to accommodate themselves to people who, for cultural, historical and religious reasons, are in disagreement with the majority.

We in this country have every reason to desire that Great Britain should be strong. There are ties of blood between us and I suppose that even blood spilt between nations gives certain ties. Recently we have had messages from the King, from the Prime Minister of the British Government and from the Prime Minister of other States in the British Commonwealth and we believed that our friendship was being accepted. Now, however, this Bill which is being brought into the British Parliament seems to shatter that particular illusion.

But there is no necessity for us to be excited about British Acts of Parliament. The British Statute Book is cluttered up with Acts of various kinds against the Irish people. There have been Acts of the British Parliament and of the Parliament in Ireland, misnamed the Irish Parliament, against the Irish language, Irish customs, Irish law, the Irish way of wearing clothes, the Irish way of wearing one's hair and the Irish way of riding horses. These Acts have been put into operation, or an endeavour has been made to put these Acts into operation, with every possible weapon at the disposal of a Government and a State. They have all now lapsed into being musty, historical documents, into something, as has been aptly said, for Englishmen to remember and for Irishmen to forget. This Act will pass into the same sphere of mustiness and of history and the Irish people will survive it.

We sometimes hear it said that there is a special peculiarity about Irishmen: they ask for something nobody else wants. They are strange, odd, or perhaps they have a double dose of original sin. We ask no more for ourselves in this island than what the people of Great Britain have for themselves politically in their island, something they have and enjoy, something they have so often and so recently heroically defended. We feel that there is nothing strange in asking for that. The Irish sense of unity, Irish persistence and Irish prayer will surely survive this Act of the British Parliament.

The Act itself purports to give certain guarantees to some of our people in the North. One would imagine, if a guarantee were to be asked for, that it would be asked for and given by us, not by the British. If it were given by us it would last longer and be more valuable than a guarantee given by the British because this guarantee contained in the Ireland Bill is surely illusory and was inserted for a political rather than for a legal purpose. No British Government can guarantee the future. No British Parliament can bind the next. Nobody can be more eloquent and persuasive than a British statesman explaining that he is going back on something that has been passed and guaranteed.

We are not hostile to the British Labour movement or to the Labour Government in Britain. In fact, we are not hostile to any movement or Party there. On the contrary, we are very friendly towards them and recognise that in many ways our fate is bound up with theirs. We want to see Britain strong and we will lend our assistance, the assistance of our people everywhere to that end, but if she persists in pursuing the present course of action with regard to Ireland, that surely cannot happen. I have been at conferences and was received with the greatest courtesy by British Ministers and members of Parliament. But when they were discussing problems concerning the ends of the earth, I always asked myself: are they as ignorant about other places as they are about Dublin because if they are their foreign policy must be a pathetic thing indeed? There is a blindness there with regard to us. The vision of British statesmen pierces to the Eastern world, pierces to the ends of the earth, but Irish problems are hidden by a curtain of ignorance, blindness and ancient injustice.

Nothing would strengthen the cause of Britain in the world or the cause of these islands more than the just solution of Partition or even a movement towards its solution, but this Bill now before the British Parliament seems to go directly contrary to that particular idea.

We could ask a great variety of questions. Great Britain made it her business to declare and fight over five Continents for what they call the recognition of every people's rights to self determination and for the elimination of racial prejudices and religious discrimination. Britain prevented France from going into the Ruhr and from going into the Rhineland. If the Ruhr, why not Fermanagh and if the Rhineland why not Tyrone? England applies one rule to the world and another special rule to Ireland.

We feel that we can face this situation with calm, with discipline and confidence. All of our history teaches us that there is in our people persistence in the idea of the unity of their own country and there is an enormous number of Irishmen with that sense of Irishness beyond the seas to assist us. That makes us confident that no Act of the British Parliament, no matter how it is passed or by whom it is passed, can prevail against us. We need not be anything but disciplined and calm on the subject, and I think we can be confident that in the future, and perhaps the not too distant future, we shall see another British Government and another British Parliament, more enlightened and, we would hope, more powerful than the present British Parliament, regretting and annulling this Act, regretting the haste, the ignorance and the furtive bigotry that seems to me to be behind the Act.

I wish to second the motion proposed by Senator Michael Hayes. The motion asks us to join with Dáil Éireann in making a solemn protest against the action of the British Government in introducing the Ireland Bill, which attempts to perpetuate the unnatural division of our country.

The history of Great Britain's relations with this country is in the main a series of blunders, and this latest blunder which has aroused bitter resentment from one end of this country to the other is all the more difficult to understand when such great efforts are being made by the democracies of the world at the present time to build up anew a world where the natural rights of man would be safeguarded against dictatorship and tyranny in whatever guise they may present themselves. The leadership and generosity of that great Republic with which we have so many ties, the United States of America, in this matter have evoked warm admiration and expressions of appreciation from democratic minded people the world over. This country is one—and it is a natural geographical entity—and Antrim is as much a part of Ireland as Cork.

A great statesman who in his day served his country well, said: "Frontiers traced with ink on other inks can be modified. It is quite another thing when the frontiers were traced by Providence." The Irish nation has the right to decide its own forms of Government and the vast majority of the people of this country have decided most emphatically that a republican form of Government suits the needs of this country better than any other. Surely it is not asking too much of the minority to respect the firm convictions of the majority—it is the democratic way. Minorities have their rights— our Constitution safeguards these rights—civil and religious liberty is guaranteed—but majorities also have their rights.

I said at the beginning that England's relations with this country had been in the main a series of blunders, and that this latest blunder was the most difficult to understand. I had hoped that in the course of the years better relations were growing up between the two countries—better understanding by the peoples of the two countries of each other's problems and difficulties was surely developing. The old prejudices and animosities, in the main, were slowly dying out. The respecting of our neutrality during the last war seemed to me to give hope that might at last was giving way to right in England's relations with this country. Now all that goodwill has been swept away almost overnight by this unqualified action on the part of the British Government. The deepest feelings of the country have been roused and resentment is widespread. Partition will go—I have no doubt about that, and I think there is no one in this Assembly to-day who has any doubt about it either—but many, many years will elapse before the Irish people will forget the latest insult that has been thrown in their teeth.

As to the future, we have to face the facts. All our own efforts and the efforts of what the Taoiseach called yesterday in the Dáil "our far-flung spiritual empire" must be bent to the task of placing before the free peoples of the world the facts about Partition. Everywhere that England's statesmen prate about democracy and democratic principles they must be met with the question: "Why not apply those principles to the small nation at your own doorstep?" These efforts of ours must be persisted in. The leadership in these efforts rests on those who have the right to lead—the elected representatives of the people. Let not ill-considered or rash act on the part of anyone, no matter how high the motives may be that actuate him, be attempted that would harm the national cause. The passage of this motion in the Dáil yesterday and its certain passage in the Seanad to-day indicates clearly that the full resources of this small nation are available to make our protest effective in a disciplined and orderly manner.

I feel it to be my duty to comment on some aspects of this motion and on the speeches which it has evoked. I would like to say at first how much I appreciate the spirit of Senator Hayes' opening remarks in general. It breathed the spirit of Thomas Davis, who is my ideal in Irish politics. I welcome the universality of his definition of Irishmen. I welcome his statement that variety leads to strength and I hope I may be forgiven if I introduce a little variety in this debate this afternoon. I hope ultimately it will strengthen the debate and do it good and if I say anything that is wrong, that it will fall on my head and on my head only. I share in the firm belief in the persistence of Irish unity, and most of those for whom I stand do the same. I have heard with interest and general agreement Senator Hearne's remarks on the respect due to the firm convictions held by the majority. I heard with solemnity his remarks on ill-considered and rash acts. What I am doing is not an ill-considered act—it may be a wrong one: time will tell. In speaking on this motion I share his ultimate belief that Partition will go, but I insist that the would must first be cleansed and healed in the right way or it will go septic.

May I say how much impressed I was by the dignity and force of the language in this motion? It has the whole weight of tradition behind it, the tradition of the Irish independence movement. But this tradition was that of a revolutionary movement and we must consider very carefully whether we should still use words, in this year of grace, 1949, that always before led to violence. It is the idiom of violent action. Are we wise to use it? I felt the weight of tradition behind these words and felt that tradition vibrant in every phrase of the speeches coming afterwards, but I think it is for us to keep cool heads in this matter and I wonder are we quite sure where these words will lead us. I feel there is danger in the phrasing of the motion and misrepresentation in one paragraph. I think it is my duty, as representative of the university, to keep a cool head and a calm heart. This I will try to do. Many people may regret any note of criticism or dissentience in this debate; I do not enjoy the task of introducing it.

It seems to me that the whole problem of Partition turns on this very issue, namely, a true understanding and fair handling of the problems of our minorities, north and south. Accusations of disloyalty or treachery will do no good. We must on both sides, on the side of the majority and on the side of the minority, exercise patience and forbearance. I have said I was deeply moved at the solemn emphasis in the wording of the motion. Let me, as a token of respect, borrow some of its phrases to express certain sentiments which I feel deeply and which the majority of those whom I represent feel deeply also. I use the words of the motion out of respect. I solemnly reassert the indefeasible right of every Irishman, north and south, to disagree with any majority when he is convinced that they are doing wrong.

I reaffirm my loyalty and the loyalty of many of my constituents to the Republic and to its ideals of liberal nationalism. I pledge my and their fullest efforts to bring about a genuine concurrence of wills. I feel I may fairly say that the university which I represent, Dublin University, in its own way is doing something to bring about that concurrence of wills. Within its walls, 30 per cent. from the North and some 50 or 60 per cent. from the South live happily, without disorder and without bitterness—and I believe that, when they go from our halls, they are better Irishmen as a result of that friendly living together. Lastly, I repudiate the belief that violence of language can do any good in this context.

I come to my specific criticism of the motion. It is of paragraph 5, which states:—

"Places on record its indignant protest against the introduction in the British Parliament of legislation purporting to endorse and continue the existing partition of Ireland."

I have read the clause in the British Bill with the greatest care and I firmly feel that this is a misrepresentation. It seems to me that the sole purpose of that clause in the British Bill is to transfer the ultimate decision about Partition from Westminster to Stormont. Now, I agree that this is a constitutional development. It gives power to the Stormont Parliament which they did not hold under the Government of Ireland Act, 1920. We must ask ourselves is it in the right direction, is it more or less democratic, to leave the final word to the minority concerned? Or to put it more cogently, do we want to force unification against the will of 800,000 Irishmen? That is the ultimate question. Do we want to force unification against the will of 800,000 Irishmen? It seems to me that the British Act leaves it open to us to persuade the North, but they will only accept a process of persuasion. In other words, I feel that the language used in the motion is too strong. The clause does not, to my mind, purport to endorse and continue; it accepts the present de facto state of affairs and says: “Go on that, if you wish.” The implication is, “persuade”. In fact, the leading article in the Manchester Guardian emphasises most emphatically that, if the Irishmen, North and South, desire unity, England will do nothing to stop it. There I believe the Manchester Guardian speaks the true voice of England.

There is another matter in this British Bill. I find no reference in our motion to what is the most important clause to thousands and tens of thousands of Irishmen to-day, especially graduates of our universities, namely, the fact that this Bill confers a special citizenship on our people. I wish to put on record here, as representative of Dublin University and as a representative of others who wish to have an open market for their talents when they need it, that we are grateful for that clause, that we consider it is proof that there is no vindictiveness in the British Government's attitude. Many have questioned the motives of the British Government. May I say quite definitely that there is nothing more futile in practical politics than questioning other people's motives. Let us question our own with the utmost scrupulousness, but when we begin questioning others', we are simply putting our progress back.

I have a further general criticism to add. I feel that the general tone of the discussion in the other House and outside it—not here—has been that of violent words. I do feel that violent words may lead to violent deeds. I feel that if we or anyone else, by violence of word, move violence of deed nearer by one hairbreadth, we may be guilty of the most terrible crime to the Irish people. We should be guarded against using even such words as we find in this motion, restrained and all as it is in its general phrasing. "In violation of those rights"—"violation"—very close to violence; "indignant protest"—I think we should be most guarded and restrained in this matter. I heard elsewhere such words as "resentment", "indignation", "hate", "blame", "vindictiveness" and "bigotry". When I hear language of that kind, I feel like Kubla Khan—"and mid this tumult Kubla heard from far ancestral voices prophesying war". God forbid that that be so, but there are already echoes of that tumult of ancestral voices prophesying war. I welcome the Taoiseach's phrase that we must be dignified, orderly and calm. Are we to live up to it? Senator Hayes has endorsed it. I welcome the Minister for Finance's phrases, that we should do this calmly, dispassionately, quickly and quietly. We will all agree about quickly, but will we entirely agree with the other terms? I wish to express the attitude of the minority, which I on the whole represent, to violence of words or violence of deeds. We cannot accept the suggestion: "We would, if we could, but we can't." The majority I represent repudiate that suggestion. It will not support in any way words or deeds of violence against our fellow-Irishmen.

I want to make one more remark in general. Since the national collection in this country there has been a steady propagandist pressure on the minority in the Twenty-Six Counties to toe the line and I want to talk about that. The minority in general is entirely agreed with the ends before us in this House. We do want unity, but we are not agreed about the means which are or may be employed. Some of us are not "determined to do everything that lies in our power to put an end to this wrong." There are things that lie within our power that may be wrong. If they are wrong, we will not support them. I recall Daniel O'Connell's statement on Repeal—that it was worth not one drop of Irish blood. I wish that every leader in this country would say the same thing firmly and emphatically on the present issue.

Deputy de Valera yesterday used a prophetic and profound phrase when he said:—

"It seems to me that, if a malignant spirit was attempting to stir up the old animosity, it could not have discovered a more effective means."

He was deeply and profoundly right. There is and has been since the Fall a malignant spirit trying to foster this old animosity, but a more effective means it could not find than that one side to the quarrel should think it had the whole truth and the whole right and that one side to the quarrel should believe that depth of feeling is a proof of rightness of action. I insist that, though there are strong rights on our side, there are other rights to be considered. I insist that depth of feeling is not a proof of rightness of action.

I do not propose to occupy the time of the Seanad at any great length. Indeed, I had hoped that I would not be expected to speak at all this evening. It was not the speech of Senator Stanford that brought me to my feet, but that I felt that it might be misunderstood if I did not say at least a few words here to-day. I spoke at length yesterday evening in the Dáil on this motion and I endeavoured to speak as calmly as the circumstances warranted.

I spoke as forcibly as I knew how and with all the ability and eloquence that God has endowed me because I felt that not for very many years had this country faced such a serious situation as we face to-day. I endeavoured to interpret the feelings of the vast majority of our people from North to South when I spoke yesterday evening, and, in endeavouring to do that, I spoke strongly and forcibly and, I hope, calmly and, as I said, with sobriety of language. Looking back to-day, I feel that, far from having spoken too strongly, far from having uttered the expressions to which I endeavoured to give expression, too forcibly, I failed to express in adequate language the feeling of deep resentment that exists amongst our people, North and South, on this issue, and, if I intervene to-day, it is merely to state that anything I said yesterday was a failure properly to express that depth of feeling and to put into words as solemn a warning as could possibly be given to these people who are responsible for the situation which has been brought about. Further than that, I do not intend to go to-day.

Since I took up the leadership of the present Government, I have enunciated the policy for which I stood and stand and the policy for which the Government of which I am head stands and has stood. That policy was friendship with Britain. That policy, first of all, was peace at home. The enmity and bitterness between Irishmen at home had, at all costs, to be ended, even if in ending it, we did tread upon the feelings and the prejudices of certain people at home and certain people in Great Britain. That, I felt, was our first duty and, thank God, that has been achieved. We stand here on this issue of the unity of our country a unified people, with a unified purpose and a resolute determination.

I sympathise fully with the views to which Senator Stanford has given expression. There are not many things he has said with which I am in very great disagreement, but it did appear to me that, while he was speaking about a one-sided approach to the problem, the real criticism of his approach is that it was one-sided. He spoke about our attitude to the North. What about the attitude of the 800,000 about whom he spoke towards our minority in the North? I will endeavour to do what Senator Stanford said and meet him in the spirit in which he has spoken and to speak with calmness; but I do feel that, unless the terrible consequences that may ensue from this action are made clear, as it does not yet appear to have become clear to people in Great Britain, we may be facing a very serious situation which we cannot control.

I have wanted peace at home, first of all. I want peace in the North and, above all, we want unity, North and South, and it is only a few short weeks since I stated in the Dáil my policy with regard to this minority, these 800,000 of whom Senator Stanford has spoken. I said that, whatever the provocation might be and however great the temptation might be to answer in kind the insults hurled at our people during the general election in the North of Ireland, the slights cast upon this Government and this people down here by the spokesmen of the Northern Government, it was our duty to restrain our language and our feelings, so that when Partition is ended, as it must inevitably be ended, we would have these people coming in on a basis of friendship with us and not in a surly way, with feelings of resentment and hatred smouldering in their hearts. That is my policy and the policy of the Government towards these people.

As we wanted the friendship of Great Britain and her people, so we want the friendship of the Irish people who differ from us in religion but not in race, in so-called Northern Ireland. Is there anything wrong with that—peace at home and an end of bitterness in this free part of this country, the taking of the necessary steps to achieve that, and then the achievement of the unity of our country on the basis of friendship and the fullest recognition of the rights of minorities? No Government in this country since 1922 has ever been accused of ill-treating minorities. Can that be said of the Northern Government?

I cannot put into words what I have been told is the feeling of our minority in the six north-eastern counties, and it is for that reason that this motion was put down in the Dáil and Seanad. It is an unusual step for a Parliament to take, to pass a motion commenting upon the action of the Parliament of another State. We are now a sovereign independent nation with the right of audience in the councils of the comity of nations. There is a definite diplomatic procedure by which protests against the action of one State infringing the rights of another may be made. We have taken all these steps and adopted that procedure, but we felt that the situation was so urgent, the conditions were so fraught with terrible consequences, that, unless we took this unusual step of getting the Parliament of this independent State to pass a resolution of the kind which was passed yesterday, we could not get our views and our feelings heard and our warnings issued sufficiently far flung and with sufficient emphasis to try to stave off the terrible consequences that may ensue.

I speak to-day, as I said, merely to emphasise and underline the purpose of this resolution and again to issue a warning. I spoke in a recent broadcast of our policy as regards force and the use of force. I referred in it to the Christmas message of His Holiness, the Pope, speaking to nations who might have a very good and just cause, in which he exhorted these nations, however good their cause, however just their cause, to pause before they resorted to the terrible arbitrament of force, because of the frightful moral consequences that would ensue. We followed that lead in this country. Senator Stanford deprecates the suggestion that we would use force, if we could. If we had the force here to-day to use against the North, I would follow the lead of His Holiness, the Pope, before I used force or allowed force to be used, because I want these people in the North to live with us, as they must eventually live with us as Irishmen and Irishwomen with Irishmen and Irishwomen, on the basis of friendship and equal citizenship of a free nation.

Senator Stanford has spoken about the true understanding and handling of minorities. I have stated frequently in public and in private, in official and unofficial conversations I have had about this issue with various responsible people, that, if these 800,000 people referred to by Senator Stanford think there is anything more they want in the way of guarantees than are written solemnly into our Constitution, let them write their own ticket and we will give them to them. If they are afraid for their religion or the exercise of their religion or the free expression of their views, if human language can find any more emphatic method of expressing it than is to be found in the Constitution under which we operate in this country, let us have it and we will give it to them. If they are afraid of their industries, we will give them guarantees. If they are afraid of their social services, we will give them guarantees. What more do they want?

Senator Stanford asks do we want to bring about the unification of these 800,000 people without their consent? We have the right to do so and we do want it, with or without their consent, but preferably with their consent. The British people through their representatives have signed the North Atlantic Treaty and in the preamble to that treaty parties who become signatories thereto express their determination to safeguard the freedom, common heritage and civilisations of their people founded on the principles of democracy. We ask for no more than that the problem of Partition and the conduct of our ancient nation of Ireland should be governed and guided and founded on the principles of democracy and the essential principle of democracy is that the majority of the nation decides, with due reference to the rights of minorities. This nation is one and undivided. It is the right of the majority of the Irish nation, without interference from outside, to say what its form of government will be and then to give every proper safeguard and due observance for the right of minorities.

This area of the six north-eastern counties, as Senator Hayes has pointed out, was created by a British Parliament for British purposes. It is an artificial area. It has no right to say that that Six County area is to be taken as a separate entity and the principles of democracy applied to it without any reference to the fact that it is essentially a part of this whole island of ours, the island of Ireland. That is not democracy. The case that is endeavoured to be made for these 800,000 of a minority is that they have a little piece of our country carved out deliberately for them by the British Parliament to bring about the situation that is in existence at the present time and has been in exisence for 27 or 28 years past, that they must always have a majority in that particular area without reference to the wishes of the people of the whole island. That is not democracy. It is spurious democracy, artificially created in order to give a false impression throughout the country and throughout the world. That is all we ask.

I said yesterday there was a choice. We offered friendship to the North, friendship to Great Britain. We have endeavoured to strengthen the bonds that exist, or ought to exist, between us and the people of Great Britain. We have achieved the strengthening of the bonds that have existed and should exist between us and Canada, Australia, New Zealand, South Africa and we have the friendship of the new Republic of India and the Dominions of Ceylon and Pakistan. With all countries of the world we wish to live in friendship. We wish to give the contribution that we can give to the spiritual values that are so much needed in the world at the present moment and to the maintenance of world peace, but we are prevented from doing that. We are prevented from joining this North Atlantic Pact, which we would join if it were not for Partition, as, I believe, in accordance with the wishes of the people, and that veto is given by this Bill that was introduced into the British House of Commons a little over a week ago, not to the Parliament of a democratic country but to the Parliament deliberately created and artificially set up in order that there should exist in that particular area a majority which would always be in a position to enforce its will against the majority of the Irish people, and a minority that was brought into that area against its will and is being kept in there against its will.

Senator Stanford asks, do we want to have this unification of 800,000 people against their will? Who asked for the will of the people of Fermanagh, Tyrone and Derry City? Were they consulted when they were brought in by force of British arms and are kept there at the present moment by force of British arms? What is the use of talking about bringing 800,000 people against their will into this country when hundreds of thousands of Irish Catholics and of Irish Protestants are being kept in the North against their will and were brought into the North against their will? If there is any truth or any justification for this proposal that these people should be consulted and given a veto let them as a first instalment of justice give us back Tyrone, Fermanagh and South Armagh and where would your homogeneous area of North of Ireland be then? Our Catholics were brought into the North of Ireland in order to create an economic entity of such a kind that could stand as an economic unit. Without Tyrone and Fermanagh and the other areas that I have referred to, Northern Ireland as an economic unit could not exist for a moment. That is why we were brought in, forced in and kept in by force.

I feel that it is essential to bring these facts before the decent people of England and the decent people of Northern Ireland and I do sincerely believe that there are decent people in England and decent people in Northern Ireland who want to know the real facts and to do justice to us. We have to get over the veto of these people, a ruling, privileged class in the North. We have to get beyond the politicians in England and get down to the decent people in England. We have had many troubles, many trials and many conflicts with Great Britain and the British people. Always after tragedies and always too late, the essential decency of the British people rose up and gave us at least some measure of justice. It is to those people we have to appeal.

There are, as I said in the Dáil last week, many decent people in the North who wish this ended. There is a growing volume of opinion, I believe, in the North that is being prevented from giving its expression by the ruling privileged class in the North. We want to get to them. We want to get to the decent people in Great Britain and that is the way we will do it without resort to arms and by the force of the justice of our case just as we won in days gone by, by the justice of our case.

Senator Stanford said that we must not fall into the error of thinking that right and justice lie all on the one side. I agree. But what is wrong is that these people in the North think that right lies on their side because they have might to back them up.

I want to end the remarks I have to make by again stating that those people of ours in the North, who were coerced into that area by a British Act of Parliament and who are being kept there by British force and who are going to be handed over by this Bill to the permanent veto of the ruling privileged class of the North, have had a feeling of frustration. Their minds and their bodies have been tortured with this Partition, not physically tortured but tortured spiritually by the lack of hope. They want to get out of that prison in which they are being coerced and kept at the present moment. If we here in this country do not give them the lead, if we, with the unity we have here now on this issue, cannot restrain them from doing what we, all of us, want to do, then I shudder at the consequences which this Bill that was brought in by a Labour Government may bring about.

Senator Stanford appears to think that we have in some way minister-preted the effect of this Bill. He gave the precise interpretation that we have given, namely, that it transfers, or purports to transfer, the ultimate decision from Westminster to Stormont. I think Senator Stanford has not fully appreciated the significance of that undoubtedly correct statement—from Westminster to Stormont. Stormont means an artificially created majority of a privileged class who will always say "No". That is what we object to. Why was it necessary to put into this Bill language such as this:—

"In no event will Northern Ireland or any part thereof cease to be part of His Majesty's Dominions"?

Was it not essential to see that the privileged ruling class in the North, who were expressly and artificially created for the purpose of having a majority there all the time at the expense of our people there, would have a veto? Why was it necessary that they should have that veto, even as against the majority of the British people in the Parliament of West-minister, even though a majority of the British people in the Parliament of Westminster might want to let Tyrone, Fermanagh, Derry City and South Armagh, where there are undoubtedly nationalist majorities, have their right, and wanted to give that instalment of justice?

Why should that privileged class have that? What was the necessity for putting it in that language? The fact that it is in that language shows the sinister motives behind this Bill. That language, the form of the language, the reference to the territorial integrity of Northern Ireland in the long title to the Bill, using the phrase in Article 4 of the North Atlantic Treaty—these are the things that have roused our people North and South. These are the things that have gratuitously and unnecessarily caused the bitter and widespread feelings that are in existence to-day.

However strong the language that I might use, whatever words of hyperbole or even exaggeration I might employ, I assert here solemnly and, I hope, calmly and with all due sense of my responsibility, that they would be inadequate to express the feelings of rage and frustration that exist in the country to-day amongst the vast majority of our people North and South.

Motion put and agreed to.

I move that a copy be sent to the equivalent Chamber in friendly Parliaments, as has been done in the case of the Dáil.

Agreed.

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