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Seanad Éireann debate -
Wednesday, 13 Dec 1978

Vol. 90 No. 8

Insurance (Amendment) Bill, 1978: Second and Subsequent Stages.

Question proposed: "That the Bill be now read a Second Time".

This measure is intended, broadly speaking, to facilitate our export business both in goods and services, to facilitate borrowing from external institutions for major industrial and other projects, and to make legal provision for a number of matters arising in the course of banking business.

To achieve these objectives the Bill proposes first, to allow banks licensed under the Central Bank Act, 1971 to engage in bonding and guarantee business required by Irish enterprises in relation to their exports or the provision of services outside the State. Secondly, to allow the licensed banks to engage in certain types of bonding and guarantee business, in order to facilitate the needs of the construction industry both home and export. Thirdly, to enable the licensed banks to guarantee loans for customers wishing to borrow for projects in Ireland from international financial institutions and to issue all forms of pure financial guarantee wherever the need for such guarantees arise. Fourthly, to enable foreign, non-licensed, banks to issue bonds or guarantees where such bonds or guarantees are required by licensed banks to enable them to make financial facilities available to clients in Ireland. Fifthly, to permit the licensed banks to engage in bonding and guarantee business in respect of a number of other matters related or incidental to banking business such as loss of bank notes, documents, bills of lading, and so on. Sixthly, to provide for an increase in the aggregate amount of the Minister's liability under the export credit scheme from £30 million to £100 million to enable the Minister to meet the growing demand for service under this scheme arising from the increase in the volume and value of exports.

For some years now Irish exporting industries, both goods and services, have been hampered by the fact that some importers abroad, particularly Middle Eastern countries, insisted, for their own good reasons, that bonds whether pure financial or guarantee bonds would only be accepted when issued by a licensed bank. Existing insurance law precluded this and it was not part of bonding business in which the Irish insurance industry had any real interest. The wider availability of bonds for exports will no doubt make it easier for Irish products and services to compete on foreign markets and this legislation is the answer to one very real difficulty being experienced by those engaged in the very important work of export promotion.

Over a considerable period the construction industry has made representations about difficulties being experienced by it in having its bonding requirements met by the insurance market in respect of contracts arising abroad. This situation has seriously affected the ability of our construction firms to compete in foreign markets and the problem is being accentuated by the tendency of many foreign clients to require that bonds be issued by banks rather than by insurers. In the course of considering this problem and in the light of further representations from the construction industry it emerged that difficulties are also being experienced by construction firms seeking bonding arrangements to cover contracts at home. I propose under this Bill to empower the licensed banks to engage in this business in future, both home and abroad, and to do what are commonly described as development bonds also.

On Committee Stage in the Dáil I accepted an amendment from the Opposition which would extend the definition of the construction contract to include the development of land for agricultural, mining or quarrying purposes or the exploration or exploitation of the seabed. These are areas closely related to construction work and which it is felt should have full availability of pure financial and performance bonds.

Provision was also made in the Bill —in clause (c) of subsection (1) (a) (ii) of section 2—to ensure that Irish banks will not face legal obstacles in guaranteeing loans to customers wishing to borrow, for projects in Ireland, from international financial institutions or from EEC sources such as the European Investment Bank. These bodies represent an important source of capital for industry or major projects. The law as it stands was regarded by the banks as not making clear their power to give guarantees of the kind referred to, and the provision now proposed is intended to put beyond doubt the power of the banks to give such guarantees.

Following publication of the Bill the licensed banks made representations that provision should be made to enable them to issue all forms of pure guarantee regardless of where the need for such arise. The Bill now before this House incorporates this amendment.

The Bill will also allow the licensed banks to engage in bonding and guarantee business in some further areas closely related to banking business such as in relation to lost bank notes, missing documents, bills of lading, and so on.

Another important area dealt with in the Bill relates to the issue by foreign banks of bonds or guarantees securing financial facilities made available by a licensed bank. The provision at subsection 2(1) (b) is seen as of assistance to the need of the operations in Ireland of foreign companies. Such Irish operations often depend on the guaranteed backing of their parent companies' banks when the Irish based enterprise is getting finance from the Irish banks. In the Bill, the ability at law of such foreign banks to engage in guarantee business is limited to cases where bonds or guarantees are required by the licensed banks as a condition of granting financial facilities, and the provision is no wider than this.

None of the provisions of the Bill will affect the ability of insurers to continue to engage in the business of giving bonds—by enabling the banks to issue the bonds specified in the Bill I am reflecting what is widespread practice in other countries. As a technical operation, it will also be necessary by Statutory Instrument to amend the European Communities (Non-Life Insurance) Regulations, 1976, to take account of the Bill's provisions and to free the banks from the requirements of those regulations in so far as they engage in the type of business provided for by the Bill.

The purpose of section 3 is to provide for an increase in the aggregate amount of the liability which may be assured by the Minister under the Insurance Acts, 1953, 1969, and 1971 for export guarantees covering the insurance of risks in connection with the external trade. This increase from the existing limit of £30 million to £100 million is made necessary by the growth in the value and volume of exports being insured under the present export credit insurance scheme. It is envisaged that the proposed limit of £100 million should be sufficient to cater for the growth in demand for export credit insurance over the next three to four years.

Export credit insurance enables exporters to insure against loss the risks entailed in selling goods abroad on credit terms. These risks fall into two main classes: commercial risks arising from default or insolvency of the buyer, and political risks, arising from the outbreak of war or revolution in the buyer's country or from Government action in the buyer's country which would prevent the goods being delivered or paid for. Examples of such action would be the introduction of new import controls or restrictions on payment transfers. It will be appreciated that the aggregate potential liability of the Minister under this scheme could only fall to be met if the multiplicity of risks covered by all policies issued should materialise. The possibility of this happening is extremely remote indeed.

The enactment of this Bill will, I feel sure, be warmly welcomed by the construction industry, manufacturers and exporters and indeed all of us who are aware of the importance of these industries to the nation's overall well being.

This Bill is welcome and very much overdue. It supplies a need which has been felt not for many months but for many years. It repairs the deficiency in the ability of Irish banks to cope with the needs of their customers, an inability from which their customers and everyone else in the community suffered. It is a matter for congratulation that the Bill which has reached this House is very different from the Bill as introduced. If Senators wished to see the full extent of the difference, they have only to read what the Minister said when introducing the Second Stage of the Bill in the other House and the speech which he made here today. If the Bill had been left in its original form it would be nothing like so good. It is not merely a matter of credit to the Minister that the Bill is now different because he accepted one Opposition amendment, which I think was and is seen to be an improvement, but he has also accepted as worthwhile the representations which were made to him and to which he referred in his Second Reading speech in the Dáil.

The House ought to look, if only for a moment, at the situation which is unfolded by this long delayed satisfaction of this long known need. I do not know, and it is not necessary for us to ask, why the restriction which is in the Insurance Act, 1936, was ever there. I believe insurance companies are satisfied that this extension to the normal powers of Irish licensed banks is not an intervention with the normal business of insurance companies. But this deficiency in Irish banks did not turn up when Irish construction companies set about seeking contracts abroad. It did not turn up when exporting became as widespread as it has become in the last 15 years. It has been known for at least 30 years and longer, and a make-shift arrangement existed to cope with the defect between insurance companies and banks.

We should ask ourselves why these Houses of Parliament were so slow in repairing this omission and why Irish banking had not engaged in the pure financial guarantee business which is the normal part of banking anywhere. Why has that been so? Why has it taken so long to effect such a necessary improvement? I do not know why the improvement has now come about, but one suspects it is because a strong lobby—not the lobby of the banks but another lobby—sought the repair.

I do not want to sound captious in relation to this, because I have commended the Minister and his advisers for the manner in which they have accepted the representations which were made since the Bill was introduced. I am not, therefore, talking about the Minister, I am not talking about even the Department, I am talking about our structure of Government. Why has it taken so long to correct something so wrong as this was? It has certainly been there to my knowledge for very many years. I do not know whether the Minister or Senators can throw any light on that, but it is worth mentioning.

I would like to welcome and support this very necessary Bill. It has been a very severe impediment to Irish firms working abroad or attempting to maintain contracts abroad, particularly in the fast developing Middle Eastern and Asian areas, where it is the practice to have bonds of a nature which it is not usual to have here or in western Europe, the United States or generally. It is very necessary that we should have this provision if we are to be able to compete effectively in these important markets in which our construction export firms and other industries have a good opportunity of entering. In certain instances they were effectively and totally excluded by the absence of these arrangements which were by regulation demanded by Government-sponsored and private industries in many of those countries. I hope the actual cost of these bonds will be kept within limits which are consistent with financial probity and the requirements of the firms and banks involved.

I notice that under section 2 service industries are mentioned. Do I understand that the bonds would be available for a service industry such as the dairy industry where it is established that the Government of the country concerned required the appropriate guarantees or if an engineering or management services of some form or other were being provided? Would the bonds be available? I believe they would under this Bill. Perhaps the Minister could confirm if they would cover all circumstances rather than those very narrowly associated with export or construction. There again there is an opportunity for industry here to develop. It would be a pity to impede it through any lack of the necessary bonding arrangements. I was delighted to see that the guarantee has been raised to £100 million. It sounds a vast sum when the existing limit is extended from £30 million to £100 million and, perhaps, under the heading of export guarantee insurance risks it is sufficient. I should like to know if the Minister will have to come back to the House again should it be necessary to increase the limit at any stage. There are certain types of bonds which are enormously expensive, particularly in relation to our off-shore exploration work. Certain bonds and promises were made appropriately in case of any undue happening in the course of exploration. The amounts of money concerned in such bonds are vast. I wonder if they would be covered under the Bill if there was an Irish company or group involved. Apart from this I must congratulate the Minister. I do not agree at all with the criticism of the delay. I am glad to see that the Minister has, at a relatively early stage in this Government, taken it upon himself to bring in this very practical measure, one which has support right across the House as it is basically for the benefit of all our people.

I welcome this Bill wholeheartedly for the reasons admirably expressed by Senator Alexis FitzGerald. I should like to refer to the need for speeding up the vetting of credit sanctioning, particularly in the area of the export of fast consuming Irish products. I have been critical of the liaison between our embassies and commercial enterprise in the past involved in the references but I should like to admit that the intelligence work on credit worthiness abroad has greatly improved. I should like to pay tribute to our foreign service in this respect.

I should like to thank Senators for the warm welcome they have given to this measure. As far as the comments made by Senator FitzGerald concerning the improvement on the original Bill introduced are concerned I should like to state that this improvement took place after the discussions with the banks. The necessary amendments would have been put in if the banks had made the suggestions earlier in the original discussions we had. In relation to the comment about the long delay, I am sure the Senator, from his own experience will agree that short Bills take most time to draft. The need has become more evident for this piece of legislation as our export efforts have developed over the years, in particular our newly developed construction industry. Senator Conroy referred to dairying and engineering which are covered under section 2 which deals with the provision of any service outside the State for the export of anything.

With regard to Senator Conroy's comments on the increase from £30 million to £100 million, obviously we are all pleased with the efforts that have been made by our exporters to continue to sell our products in even greater quantities around the world. Our economic and social targets can be reached only if our export drive continues and is expanded. At present our exports account for roughly 50 per cent of our total production, and to survive and meet our targets we must export. That is why the Government are committed to giving every encouragement possible to export effort. Senator Conroy asked if I would be coming back to the House with an increase above the £100 million, and I should like to state that this increase up to £100 million will cover efforts in the next three to four years. I would like to return in the morning and increase it further if we could get to that level.

I thank Senator Lambert for the warm welcome he gave the Bill. I should tell him that I will have the question of speeding up the vetting of applications for insurance examined to see what can be done within the Department. I am grateful to him for his comment about the situation with regard to knowledge and examination of potential buyers. As a nation we are relatively new in the export field. Our bank of knowledge is not as great as that of other competing countries but it is improving. I know that will continue to improve in the years ahead. We are making every effort to obtain as much information as we can. It is done through normal commercial channels and we are trying to reduce the delay to a minimum.

I should like to thank the Senators for the warm welcome that they have given the Bill.

Question put and agreed to.
Agreed to take remaining Stages today.
Bill put through Committee, reported without amendment, received for final consideration and passed.
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