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Seanad Éireann debate -
Wednesday, 27 Jun 1979

Vol. 92 No. 7

Irish Steel Holdings Limited (Amendment) Bill, 1979: Committee and Final Stages.

Sections 1 and 2 agreed to.
SECTION 3.
Question proposed: "That section 3 stand part of the Bill."

This is the section which enables the Minister to subscribe additional share capital for the company. I should like to take advantage of Committee Stage to ask the Minister how the proportion which is to be subscribed as share capital was arrived at. He mentioned on Second Reading that of the £45 million required, £10,500,000 would be provided by the Exchequer as share capital, that £4 million would be provided by way of IDA grant and so on. Is there a rationale to this or is the £10,500,000 the residual that remains to be provided after the loan from the European Coal and Steel Communities and the leasing arrangements and IDA grant? I am particularly interested in this because the equity contribution is the capital contribution which does not have to be remunerated in all circumstances. Therefore it is the element of capital which could be a channel for subsidisation of the company in case of need—in other words, by not drawing a dividend on the share capital.

The Minister has assured us that the modern methods of steel production which will be brought into being will ensure that unit costs of production will be on a competitive level with that in the European Community. That is a careful statement. It does not necessarily mean that production will be profitable. The company however, he says, have made projections showing that allowing for the servicing of the loans there will be profits in the third and subsequent years of operation. If those profits happily materialise then they provide a source from which the Exchequer's equity contribution could be remunerated. If they do not materialise for any reason then the equity goes unrewarded and in effect, in addition to the IDA grant interest-free capital is being provided for the company—a form of subsidy.

I wonder when the Minister is replying could he clarify also a point where the language in his speech was perhaps a little careful. He said the consultants are satisfied that the export targets can be met. I realise that to get on a competitive unit-cost level output has to be considerably enlarged and that, therefore, exports have to be arranged. I yield to nobody in admiration for the valiant work done by previous chairmen, the present chairman and the Board and management of the company in trying to achieve viability under the handicap of a very low throughput and difficult labour relations at times, as the Minister has said. When it is said that the export targets can be met does that mean—which would be rather obvious—that production for export on that scale is possible, or that in fact remunerative markets for the export surplus of the company are likely to be found?

On the points raised by Senator Whitaker and regarding the figure of £10.5 million as the equity, I would say in relation to that figure, without wanting to appear evasive, that the figure was fixed in consultation with the Minister for Finance. I have no doubt the Senator will appreciate all that that entails. There are certain alternatives when it comes to the residual financing. It was the judgment of the Minister for Finance that the top part of the £10.5 million might with greatest advantage to the State be subscribed by him as equity.

So far as dividends are concerned it is very much the policy of the present Minister for Finance that dividends where at all possible should be paid and should be paid in a commercial fashion. For too long it has been taken for granted by companies, even the relatively small proportion of our State manufacturing companies who are profitable, that State equity was some sort of free gift, or interest-free loan with which they could do as they wished. If there was a greater realisation generally of the nature of equity investment and the fact that when the State makes the investment or the Exchequer or the taxpayer make it, it is no less deserving of its due reward, there might not be a tendency to the same extent to regard some State companies as fair game for what one can get out of them. The taxpayer is entitled to get his pound of flesh out of those that succeed, particularly so in the light of the fact that he gets so little out of those that do not succeed.

In regard to exports, there has been a marked contraction, as the House will know, in the European steel-manufacturing industry. There is far less competition within the European industry now. I gave the House a list of the actual products that are projected and some of which are being made already. The number of competitors that the revamped Irish Steel will have to meet in the European steel market is much reduced to what it was some years ago. Because of their sharing arrangement with the Normandy company, apart from what the Normandy company will sell for them, their prospects of selling in the European market are a great deal better. The House will be aware that in recent times Commissioner d'Avignon introduced certain controls, particularly in relation to prices, which have proved helpful to the European steel industry and have had the effect of cutting down some of the imports, particularly from some far Eastern countries which had created a great difficulty, particularly for some of the older established steel mills such as those in Lorraine, and had caused great difficulties for the British steel industry also. It is worth remembering that the losses reported by some nationalised steel industries in western Europe in recent times have been astronomical. Small and all as our steel industry is it has performed not too badly in all the circumstances. It is now in a much stronger position. This improved situation I am confident will extend to its marketing ability. It did not have a very extensive marketing arm, but it will have now. Its prospects are much better, because the degree of competition it will have to meet will be a good deal less. There has been a good deal of rationalisation and order brought into the European steel market in recent times principally as a result of the initiatives of Commissioner d'Avignon.

Question put and agreed to.
Sections 4 to 8, inclusive, agreed to.
Title agreed to.
Bill reported without amendment, received for final consideration and passed.
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