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Seanad Éireann debate -
Wednesday, 15 May 1985

Vol. 108 No. 5

Combat Poverty Agency Bill, 1985: Committee Stage (Resumed).

Question again proposed: "That section 5 stand part of the Bill.".

This section obliges the agency to draw up a strategic plan every three years, the first within six months of its establishment. This provision is necessary both to ensure that a coherent programme is devised against poverty and to provide a yardstick for testing its results. The section also gives the Minister power to review the agency in all its aspects in the light of experience. The report of such review is to be laid before each House of the Oireachtas. This provision is in keeping with the Government decision of July 1983 requiring commercial State enterprises to produce corporate plans and a further Government decision of March 1985 requiring the major non-commercial State agencies to produce programmes setting out future activities.

The purpose of the section is to ensure that a coherent programme is devised by the agency, and, as I have stated, to provide a yardstick for testing its results. Pending approval of the agency's strategy plans, the agency will, of course, continue with the performance of its functions under the Act and will not be left in a limbo, so to speak. The approval of the strategic plan is not a pre-requisite for the carrying out of the functions outlined in section 4. It is essential that the Minister and the Minister for Finance approve the strategic plan because of the possible financial implications. It will be in the interests of the agency that it has a strategic plan approved as it will give it the assurance that it can continue in the knowledge that it has received approval from the responsible Minister.

I would welcome further clarification from the Minister as to the timescale within which the Minister will exercise the functions which he has under this section. Under subsection (3) there is provision that the Minister shall, from time to time, review the purposes, functions and activities of the agency. This does not give any clear indication of whether there will be a regular review or when the first review, for example, might emerge. Is there any reason why there should not be a specific provision that when the first strategic plan is drawn up by the agency, which would be submitted not later than six months after the date of the first meeting — hopefully, by the end of 1985 — there should not be a review produced by the Minister of that plan, within, say, six months of when it is submitted to him?

I am worried that the way section 5 is drafted may hamper the work of the agency. The agency may comply with the requirements for it to submit to the two Ministers — the Minister for Social Welfare and the Minister for Finance — the proposed strategic plan for the first two years: it may do so on the timescale given it, that is within six months of its first meeting, and then the whole thing may go into limbo. What is the agency to do, once it has submitted the plan to the two Ministers? Are the Ministers required to respond within a particular time? Otherwise, how does the agency know whether it can then get to the stage of implementation?

If, for some reason, the Ministers' approval is delayed, or not forthcoming, the agency would obviously have to discuss its plan with the appropriate authorities. The agency will, however, be able to continue to perform its functions within the limits of the financial provisions made for it under section 9, as subsection (3) (a) states:

The Minister shall, from time to time, review the purposes, functions and activities of the agency under this Act, in particular by reference to the strategic plan and shall cause, after consultation with the Minister for Finance, a report of such review to be laid before each House of the Oireachtas.

The Minister has not answered my question. This is an important question because it relates to the capacity of the agency to function. Under subsection (2) the agency has clear obligations to draw up a strategic plan, to do so within six months of the first meeting of the agency and to do so for a period ending on 31 December 1987 — hopefully, it would be for a two year period, say December 1985 to December 1987. This is fine, but the agency must then submit the plan for the approval of the Ministers for Finance and Social Welfare under subsection (1) — submit a programme outlining the agency's projected activities: this is what is meant by the strategic plan. If the plan is not approved, or if there is a delay in approving it, what can the agency do? What steps can the agency take in relation to implementation of the plan, or is there not a real danger, as the section is framed, that the work of the agency could be brought to a halt or placed in limbo, whilst awaiting an approval for which there is no timescale or provision made?

I should like to support Senator Robinson. This is a very important point. Could not the Minister write into the legislation at some stage that there would be a span of three or four months before total implementation by the Departments of Finance and Social Welfare? As the Senator points out, all the good work of the agency would be for naught if it were not proceeded with following the report of the plan.

Progress reported; Committee to sit again.
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