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Seanad Éireann debate -
Thursday, 15 Mar 1990

Vol. 124 No. 8

Adjournment Matter. - County Limerick National School Extension.

First, I thank the Minister for the fact that the building of the extension for Richill National School, Lisnagry, County Limerick, is commencing. It is a happy ending to a long saga that started some years back when two schools in the parish of Castleconnell were in a deplorable state and the first school in Castleconnell got its extension and Richill National School extension, I suppose for lack of finance etc. did not go ahead at that particular time.

This is in the environs of Limerick city. The urgency with which the parents, teachers and pupils pushed for this extension to be built relates to the fact that what one would call commuter people and locals, folk indigenous to the area, are under intense competition from city schools nearby and likewise neighbouring schools. It is a credit to the excellent teachers who are in the school and the parents that they actually tolerated the conditions of that school over a long period. They understand the importance of school to the life of a rural area. It is quite rural though it is within the city environs. The fact that the extension is going ahead now will mean that those parents and other parents in the area will choose that school for their students. This raises the point of the loss of a teacher over the last year because of falling numbers, not because of the lack of interest in the school but because the conditions were so deplorable that parents could not subject their children to this. As a teacher I am aware of the difficulties in relation to prefabs and so on, but that school was just unbelievably dilapidated, rat infested, no toilet facilities, with prefabs that really had seen a better time.

There are 250 children attending the school with eight teachers. At present they have just four classrooms. I want to refer briefly to the motion for the Adjournment of the Seanad, which I raised regarding the night of the big storm under Standing Order 29 some weeks ago, on that night, when fortuitously, as I said, the students were on a mid-term break, one pre-fab was actually blown down. The destruction to furniture etc. was so serious that if students had been in that classroom on that day I shudder to think what would have happened. It was an act of God but that focused the mind of both the media in the mid-west and the Minister on the situation. It was unfortunate in one way that it had to reach the stage where a serious accident could have happened. I am sure the Minister can understand the concern of parents.

That pre-fab was part and parcel of the pre-fabs in existence, so for the last number of weeks the children are sharing days. One half of the class comes in at 9 o'clock until 12 o'clock and the other half from 12 o'clock until 3 o'clock, so really the children are only getting a half day's education. The Minister smiles. It might be all right for one week to get the odd half day off. This has happened since that particular storm night in February and will continue until the pre-fabs are erected on the site.

The Minister has sanctioned the extension. I have some questions for her. First, has the contract been signed once and for all with the builder who actually appeared on the site today? It is very important that we have that clarified. Secondly, the completion of this building is very urgent because the situation with those students is still the same as it has been for the last few years. In fact, some students attending that school have never sat in a decent classroom for the whole of their primary school life. It is a credit to them and their parents that they feel so strongly about keeping their students at school that they have put up with this over such a long period.

The level of teaching is extraordinarily good in this school. The results are likewise. It is one school — I know this is something the Minister is very very keen on — where there is tremendous empathy between the parents, the staff and, of course, the students. All concerned are very anxious that the children are not left in the present circumstances for much longer..

I know that porto-cabins which have been sanctioned by the Office of Public Works. The Department pay nine-tenths of the overall price, of these which is quite sizeable but they will not arrive on site for six to eight weeks so we will have another two months at least of the half day student situation going on. That is something I, as a teacher, feel very strongly about. This whole school year, from September on — by March two-thirds of the school year has elapsed — has been completely disrupted for the students.

In regard to the pre-fabs is it within the power of the Minister's Department to see that they are placed quicker than within eight weeks so as to avoid any further disruption to the 250 students who are still attending school in these deplorable conditions where the pre-fabs they had have been blown away and they are left with four rooms.

I trust the Minister will treat this as an urgent case and that there will be monitoring of the pupil-teacher ratio at this school. The Minister's commitment to the replacement of a teacher when the numbers increase would give the school the support it needs at the moment when there is such commitment on behalf of the parents and teachers. They are very pleased that the extention is going ahead but it was as a result of intense lobbying and intense pressure continuously by the parents and teachers. I have visited that school on several occasions at different times and I found the conditions deplorable.

Would it be possible to have the school completed as a matter of urgency? The builder has to go through the various motions but I hope money will be forthcoming and that the whole operation will be speeded up. Secondly, when numbers increase — they decreased because parents took their children out and sent them elsewhere because some of them were not able to put up with the conditions — I trust that the teacher replacement will be forthcoming. Could something be done about the temporary solution of the porto-cabins to ensure that they are installed within a shorter period than eight weeks?

It is the first time I have met Senator Jackman in the Seanad. She is a member of the honourable profession to which I also belong. That does not mean that politics are not honourable, too. I am glad to be here to answer the debate. The whole chain of events relating to this school was most unusual in how it developed. The Senator spoke of her domestic knowledge of the scene and I have the political knowledge and the knowledge from within the Department of Education.

Senator Jackman asked when the contract would be signed. I am glad to tell her that the contract for the major extension was signed last week. The builder has advised my Department that he will commence work on the site at an early date so events have overtaken the whole matter.

The Senator asked if we can ensure that the building will proceed with all speed. I do not personally watch every builder on every site in Ireland. I have enough to do. It is a matter for the builder as to how he proceeds. I hope the local management and the various political interests, who have taken such a huge interest in this matter, would also keep an eye on the builder. I certainly would not have responsibility for the speed or otherwise at which various builders throughout the country operate. That is certainly a matter to which the local management can apply their energies. The builder in question has been in touch with the architect regarding the necessary arrangements for starting on site. I stress, from our side of it, that the contract was signed last week. After that it is out of my hands, as to how quickly the builder starts.

The temporary difficulties arise from a situation over which nobody had any control. A storm is an act of God and is so defined for insurance purposes. The severe storm on the night of 26 February damaged the three classroom prefabricated unit. It is, in the first instance, the responsibility of the board of management to deal with matters arising from storm damage including consultation with the school's insurers. Notwithstanding that, we intervened in the situation. Normally we would not.

My Department and the local architect have been very much involved in trying to secure an acceptable short term solution because let me stress that arrangements for the long term solution, i.e. the invitation for tenders, the arranging for tenders, the placing of the tenders and the signing by the builder had all gone ahead prior to any storm.

Officials from my Department met the principal on 1 March 1990. He said he was considering a number of options for the administration of the school. It has now emerged that the board of management of the school wish that four prefabricated classrooms be provided as temporary accommodation while the local architect takes up another point of view. They are talking to one another. The board of management are meeting this evening to finalise what they think should be the position. Because of the urgency of the case the local architect is awaiting tenders from suppliers of prefabricated classrooms. Talks are going on on that between the principal, the manager and the board of management.

I fully appreciate the school's difficulties in trying to continue classes in present circumstances. I know the Senator will accept that we have spared no energies in trying to secure a solution to the problem. The long term solution was, thankfully, arrived at some time before the storm ever erupted so that the future of Richhill school is well assured through the provision of the permanent accommodation.

The provision of the temporary accommodation arising out of storm damage is a matter for the board of management but because of the unusual circumstances and because of the urgency we have intervened and are making all possible haste in consultation with the board of management who must have the say finally on that matter to see what acceptable solution can be arrived at.

With regard to the supply of the extra teacher, as the Senator will be aware, there are arrangements with the Irish National Teachers Organisation for the retention and the acquisition of teacher appointments. Into this matter would fall the issue which the Senator has raised. On a general level the school at Richhill is regarded as a very well run, with excellent teachers who have a great rapport with the pupils and the parents. On a broader issue the Senator will be aware that there are huge demographic changes taking place in Ireland and there being fewer pupils in Richhill has nothing to do with either the conditions of the school or the nature of teaching. The teaching there is excellent, as the Senator has said. A reduction in the number of teachers would result only from a reduction in the number of pupils. Between 1980 and 1990 there has been a 28 per cent drop nationwide in births. While the provision of the excellent new permanent facilities will be of great benefit to the school and something which they are well due, I hope that the short term arrangements can be worked out satisfactorily. The overall question of numbers remains to be seen. It would be taken into account in the demographic changes.

Teacher appointments depend on pupil enrolments and they, in turn, are contained in the arrangements worked out with the INTO and the Department. I enter a caveat that they are now based as per the arrangement on the 30 September enrolment of the previous year. That is contained in a written agreement between the union and the Government. It is mostly for the good of schools. If you are looking back in a situation where numbers are falling then you stand to retain for a longer period. I thank the Senator for raising the matter, I am glad to have been here to put on the record my commitment to Richhill school.

May I ask another question? It is in relation to the demographic trends. I appreciate the Minister has to consider the falling numbers throughtout the country. I am just two miles from that school. Numbers are increasing in that area because there is intense building going on. It happens to be on the periphery of the city and I do not think there will be any fall in numbers. I have to disagree with the Minister there and say that the fall in numbers was due to the fact that some parents would not subject their children to the prevailing conditions there and had a choice of taking them to nearby schools on the outskirts of the city.

May I put it to the Senator if they are in Richhill the number will be down in another school so the Senator will be speaking in a Seanad debate demanding a teacher for another school.

The Seanad adjourned at 4.30 p.m. until 2.30 p.m. on Wednesday, 21 March 1990.

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