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Seanad Éireann debate -
Wednesday, 3 Jun 1992

Vol. 132 No. 17

Adjournment Matters. - Army Presence at Religious Ceremonies.

The topic I want to raise this evening arises from the recent decision of the Army authorities that the participation of individual soldiers should no longer be obligatory at church parades. We may thank the trade union, PDFORRA, whose representations led to this historic decision. I want to raise an important related matter, that is the presence of Army units of the Regular Army or FCA contingents at religious ceremonies. I hasten to add I mean religious ceremonies of any denomination but, to be honest, the denominational complexion of this country being what it is, I suppose I am talking for the most part about Roman Catholic ceremonies. The topic is appropriate in view of the coming Eucharistic procession season, where we regularly see in numerous Corpus Christi processions units of the Army or the FCA acting as escorts to the corps of the religious procession where the clergy carrying the monstrance are frequently flanked by a military unit.

I do not know whether other variations of this custom have now died out. People of my vintage and the Minister will remember the sounds and sights of the trumpet fanfare and the flash of swords during the elevation of the Host at the consecration of the Mass and that was an even more incongruous example of the kind of thing I am talking about. In my native city of Cork the Corpus Christi procession is a big event. It is interesting that, not for the first time, the Cork Council of Trade Unions had quite a divisive debate about this issue recently. The question was whether the council should be represented collectively or corporately at this religious occasion and strong feelings were expressed. Some members said they had no objection, others said that as council members they simply did not want to have their presence interpreted as a kind of trade union participation in this procession.

The Army presence is a more salient example of that same relationship which in my view is unhealthy. Any State presence as an integral component in a religious ceremony is an unacceptable symbol of Church-State relationship in our secular age. I am glad it is a secular age because in the long term interests of peace and harmony in this country and of denominational relations we must have a secular State. Irish Society is now composed not only of Catholic, Protestant and dissenter but of Catholic, Protestant, lapsed Catholic and free thinker. All are taxpayers and it may no longer be taken for granted that all assent to this close relationship, this historically meshed thread of Church and State. I think I represent the view of an increasing number of citizens in that matter.

It could be said that the Constitution lends some vague authority to this custom in Article 44.1 which state:

The State acknowledges that the homage of public worship is due to Almighty God. It shall hold His name in reverence and shall respect and honour religion.

Frankly, there is no place for such a sentiment in the Constitution; it belongs to a now outdated concept of the confessional state. Even if we accept this article as a constitutional reality, it is hard too invoke it as a justification for these customs.

I do not want to be excessively rigorous or pedantic about this. Certain functionaries need to have an aide-de-camp present at a Church religious ceremony and that is accepted. I am talking about a more fundamental symbolic relationship suggested by the presence of regular Army or FCA units.

It is interesting to read what Alexis de Tocqueville, the celebrated French journalist, philosopher and observer had to say about this when he came to Ireland in 1835. He came across several bishops who had been in France during the Bourbon restoration and bishops such as Bishop Kinsella of Ossory were appalled that the Bourbons had learned nothing and forgotten nothing, that despite the sore lessons that ancien regime should have taught them about the danger of a relationship between Church and State nonetheless Charles X was still trying to identify Church and State. Bishop Kinsella of Ossory told de Tocqueville that he had witnessed sentries outside the palace of the Archbishop of Rouen and said that they made people think of the archbishop as the representative of the king rather than as that of Jesus Christ. He witnessed the Corpus Christi procession in the same city as I described it a moment ago; the clergy and host were flanked by lines of soldiers. The bishop's reflections were, “What are these soldiers for? Who wants a military show as part of a religious feast?” So, even from the point of view of religion 170 years ago Catholic bishops were beginning to realise that a close identification of Church and State was unhealthy and perhaps their present-day successors should take a leaf out of Bishop Kinsella's book.

That is not our concern here. Incidentally, a Chathaoirligh, I took the precaution of letting the Department of Defence know earlier this afternoon the subject of this Adjournment debate and the questions I proposed to ask. My questions are, who requests the involvement of military units as guards of honour at eucharistic processions, which is only an example of something wider, and who authorises the involvement of these military units? What is the policy of the Department of Defence in this matter? Does it reflect Government policy, and would the Minister agree that these practices should be discontinued forthwith?

All members of the Defence Forces are given every opportunity and assistance to attend religious services of their choice. Close liaison is maintained by the military authorities at local level with churches of different denominations and there are excellent relations between the Defence Forces and these churches. Defence Force regulations have provided for many years for guards of honour, escorts of honour or Army bands being made available on certain religious occasions often involving the civilian population.

Such occasions are relatively few and do not now normally arise in response to specific requests. In general, these occasions are of a traditional nature and the decision to participate will rest with the local military authorities and will be subject to the exigencies of the service. Military escorts, bands and firing parties are also provided for funerals of deceased members of the Permanent Defence Force of all denominations, as well of course for State funerals.

There is a separate but related matter I should like to comment on, namely, the practice of church parades. These parades whereby troops march in a body to church have been part of the tradition and ethos of the Defence Forces since the foundation of the State. In the past soldiers participated in such parades willingly, and indeed with pride. Senator Murphy said it was thanks to trade union activity that this practice has been modified or discontinued. I did some research in my Department and discovered that the Adjutant-General had been researching it for some time.

Post hoc ergo propter hoc.

A post hoc decision but not before it had been considered. Earlier this year a review of this whole matter was initiated by the military authorities and as a result of this review it was decided that the practice of religious parades should be discontinued except for certain important occasions which will be designated by the military authorities. Examples of such occasions would be the National Day of Commemoration ceremonies held in Kilmainham and the Annual 1916 Commemoration held in Arbour Hill. On those limited number of occasions on which church parades take place, there will, of course, be no obligation on any member of the Defence Forces to attend a particular religious service.

I understand that the practice of military personnel being involved in religious ceremonies is the same in foreign armies. I should like to stress, however, that the military authorities will organise such occasions on a strictly voluntary basis in so far as the military personnel are concerned except for essential military ceremonial elements such as bands and guards of honour.

The Senator asked who requested a military presence and in the body of my statement I indicated that this was a tradition in various local areas, as the Senator himself mentioned. A military presence is authorised by the local military command and I cannot give a blanket answer to the question of whether they should be discontinued. I think I covered those points in the substance of my reply.

Some people would not agree that it is an unhealthy state of affairs, although connecting military matters with religious matters in the instances given by the Senator would seem to me to be slightly out of kilter.

The Senator stated that Article 44.1 should have no place in the Constitution but it is in the Constitution and we are committed to observing the Constitution until it is changed.

Finally, with regard to our friend de Tocqueville who had some interesting comments to make on this country, to show the difference in interest between the Senator and myself what I remember from de Tocqueville is that he referred to a custom in our taverns whereby if one bought a tankard of ale one could take pheasant, partridge, duck and other fowl for nothing, it being the custom of the kingdom.

I think de Tocqueville travelled mostly in Leinster which was a very well off part of the country; he would not have received that treatment in Cavan or Cork. While I thank the Minister for his reply I am not altogether satisfied with it.

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