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Seanad Éireann debate -
Wednesday, 27 Apr 1994

Vol. 140 No. 3

Order of Business.

Before I announce the Order of Business, I am sure the House welcomes what is happening in South Africa today because it has always been consistent in its support of developments there. It is phenomenal that, for the first time, people aged up to 100 years can vote.

Today's Order of Business is Item 1, Irish Shipping Limited (Payments to Former Employees) Bill, 1994, from now until 6 p.m. We will deal with all Stages of that Bill today. Item 39 will be taken from 6 p.m. to 8 p.m. I suggest 20 minutes for spokespersons on Item 1 and 15 minutes thereafter. If necessary, we will continue Item 1 after 8 p.m.

My party concurs with the Leader of the House; this is a great day in the history of the world as well as of South Africa. I congratulate the millions of people in South Africa who are voting for the first time. This marks the culmination of their prolonged struggle for liberation. We congratulate those who have turned out in great numbers to vote despite the terrorist campaign designed to intimidate them against voting. It is also a great day for people in Ireland who campaigned for many years for freedom in South Africa. I congratulate Members of this and the other House who have gone to South Africa to assist, supervise and observe what is happening. They are playing a part in ensuring the success of these elections.

I again call for a debate on Northern Ireland. I also wish to condemn the murder of one individual and the kneecapping of 16 others by the IRA. I concur with the sentiments expressed by Dr. Joe Hendron, the West Belfast SDLP MP who said the IRA shootings were nauseating and hypocritical and that it is a waste of time appealing to Mr. Gerry Adams and the IRA, but that the people must stand up to them.

I understand the Local Government Bill, 1994, will be before the House tomorrow. As all Stages of the Bill will be completed in the other House tonight, we will not have an opportunity to study it. There are also some amendments to this comprehensive Bill. Although we will not have the opportunity to discuss it, we are requested to debate Second Stage at 10.30 a.m. tomorrow. If that is the case, it is unfair and a misuse of our role to expect us to fully debate a Bill which will be completed late this evening, which will be printed over night and which will be before the House at 10.30 a.m. tomorrow.

While I support points made about the emerging democracy in South Africa, it is ironic that over the past two days citizens or emigrants from South Africa have voted at their embassy in this country. We discussed this issue long before we discussed the need for a democratic state in South Africa. The Government should take example from what is happening there and learn from the new state and give votes to Irish emigrants who are entitled to vote. This House has asked for that time and time again. South Africa is a model as to how it would work.

I want to refer to recent celebrations of the First Dáil. This week we were invited to celebrate the memory of the 1916 Rising. It is disgraceful and cynical for the main Government party to use the celebration of the Rising as a photo opportunity for election candidates. It is more than people can be expected to accept.

That is rubbish.

It is not appropriate to the Order of Business.

I rarely criticise Government and I ask people to take it the way it was intended. It is unacceptable. There is enough confusion about nationalism in this country.

It is cheap of the Senator to take that shot at us.

Senator O'Toole, it is not appropriate to the Order of Business. Your comments will be noted.

It is unacceptable.

I join with other Members in congratulating the people of South Africa on this historic day which sees the first all race elections. We should pay tribute to the strong leadership of Mr. Mandela and Mr. de Klerk. It is the strength of that leadership which has brought this about in such a quick and effective manner. I heard somebody from South Africa on the radio this morning say that the spirit of reconciliation motivated both men and the people in South Africa and brought them to this situation effectively and quickly. There may be a lesson for this country in what has happened.

I join with Senator Neville in condemning atrocities on both sides in Northern Ireland in the past week. I hope we will get the kind of leadership that brings reconciliation as it has done in South Africa. I realise the situations are very different and that there has been some positive leadership in the North of Ireland. However, there is room for more positive and reconciliatory leadership in the North. There is a lesson to be learned from South Africa today.

I join with other Senators in congratulating the people of South Africa on this historic occasion. For any of us who watched it on television yesterday and today it made very emotional viewing.

I support Senator Neville's comments about the atrocities in the North; I also support last week's call for a debate on Northern Ireland. The giant step taken in South Africa is an example to the people in the North of what could happen and, hopefully, we will see that in the not too distant future.

I also call for a debate on the recent health strategies launched by the Minister for Health, particularly to deal with women's health.

I join with Members who spoke about the significance of this day in terms of the liberation of the people of South Africa. We in this country can recall with pride the action of the young strikers at Dunnes Stores who, by their action, helped to create a change in attitude and policy here. They paid for it dearly economically through the loss of their jobs. We can take pride in the fact that the action of ordinary Irish people had an impact outside this island.

We should remember the many people who sacrificed their lives in South Africa, particularly noble figures like Steve Biko, who were brutally murdered by a regime of which we, as humans, are all ashamed. We should be glad that Nelson Mandela and President de Klerk have so courageously and with initiative and broad thinking managed to create a situation in which they can be tolerant of each other. The generosity of the black and coloured people in extending a hand of friendship and tolerance to the white people who, as a group, so consistently abused the human rights of their fellow South Africans, has been remarkable.

I agree with Senator Neville about the importance of a continuing debate on Northern Ireland and with everything he said about the atrocities committed by both sides over the last few days and weeks. If we want to see the kind of country we would live in if Sinn Féin/IRA had their way, we need only look north of the Border over the last few days and observe the way "justice" is meted out by these gentle persons.

Members may not realise — I just heard it on the news — that one of our colleagues from the other House, Deputy Michael Ferris, who is acting as monitor in South Africa suffered a heart attack and is in hospital. I am sure the House would like to send its best wishes for his recovery.

I agree with the sentiments expressed particularly by the Leader of the House and Senator Neville. I am not going to add anything about lessons we can learn. It is a glorious day for South Africa and South Africans. Senator Norris referred to the two young girls, shopworkers, who, to be honest, were better visionaries than most of us. They ran up a flag when it was unpopular to do so. It is also good to record today people like Terence McCaughey, Kader Asmal, a young Senator Mary Burke, all young people with me in Cork involved in Amnesty International.

One would have to be inhuman not to be moved when listening last night to a man of 70 years voting for the first time in his own country. I wish to join with others in paying tribute to Nelson Mandela. History from time to time gives us somebody who can save the human race. I wish also to pay tribute to the outstanding courage and vision of FW de Klerk without whose courage this step could not have been taken. It is only fair to say that it has taken the whites in South Africa a long time to see the light, but at least they had a leader who matched the vision of Nelson Mandela. All we can do here today is wish them well.

I wish to be associated with the comments made about what is happening in South Africa today, yesterday and tomorrow.

I wish to support a point made by Senator Neville with regard to a proposal for tomorrow's business. In regard to the Local Government Bill, whatever about Second Stage, we should be very careful where Committee Stage is concerned. I say that because local government and local government representatives will always have a special relationship with this House. Therefore, matters that concern local government should be given time for mature discussion here and I appeal to the Leader to allow this.

Reference has already been made to the rights of voters abroad. I wish to deal with voters in this country and I address this matter to the Leader of the House. It has been brought to my attention that there are approximately 400,000 illiterate people in this country, and we should know that from our adult literacy classes and everything that is geared towards them. When it comes to an election these people are effectively disenfranchised. My proposal — and this is the ideal Chamber in which to discuss the matter because it would take very little to rectify it but it needs proper debate — is that we should have photographs of the candidates on every ballot paper. This practice has the agreement of Údarás na Gaeltachta candidates. This matter could be discussed in the Seanad.

I support the statements made on South Africa. It has been proved beyond doubt that it is not those who inflict most but those who can endure most who win in the end. That has been the case in regard to the people of South Africa. Congratulations are due to Nelson Mandela and his people. The enthusiasm with which the people of South Africa have used their franchise should be a lesson for the Irish people, because a high percentage do not appreciate it. I also support the condemnation of the atrocities in the North of Ireland.

I support Senator Honan's call for a debate on the health proposals. When does the Minister for the Environment propose to bring in a proper statistical analysis on a sex and age basis so that, before we start any screening programmes, we will have some notion of where we will find those people whom we propose to screen? I also support Senator Gallagher's call for photographs of candidates on ballot papers. I am sure there was no self-interest on her part in asking for this.

The Senator could say that, we could not.

I have no chance.

We all would condemn what has happened in Northern Ireland in the last week but, unfortunately, this seems to happen on a weekly basis. We will deal with the Local Government Bill, 1994, on the Order of Business tomorrow, but it is a Bill for early signature and will have to be dealt with within the next two days. I have taken note of what Senator Howard has said and, with the agreement of the House, we will deal with Second Stage tomorrow.

Order of Business agreed to.
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