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Select Committee on Enterprise and Economic Strategy debate -
Wednesday, 3 May 1995

SECTION 6.

Question proposed: "That section 6 stand part of the Bill."

This section updates all the original penalties for offences under the 1940 Act. Section 6 (a) provides that those guilty of offences may be liable "on summary conviction to a fine not exceeding £1,500 or to imprisonment for a term not excedding 6 months or to both". Section 6 (b) provides that they may be liable "on conviction on indictment to a fine or to imprisonment for a term not exceeding 3 years or to both".

Section 6 (b) does not put any limit on what the fine might be. How will the courts assess what the fine might be in such cases? The damage which may have been done in contravening the lease or the licence could be the cause of major controversy and could involve substantial costs in restoring ground which had been improperly disturbed. There was a recent famous case where there was a great deal of public anxiety about activities undertaken by an exploration company on the side of a very important mountain and the scar is to be seen to this day. It will probably be many decades before it melts into the background. If one does damage, the costs of restoring works can be enormous and unlimited.

The Minister is deciding to leave it totally to the discretion of the judge to impose fines without any lmits. We have had other legislation where foreign fishing trawlers were to be subjected to fines for which maximum amounts were set. Due to the arguments of some Opposition Deputies at the time, the fine was very substantially increased from what the Minister responsible proposed and, fortunately, it is acting as a major deterrent and a successful weapon for the Irish Government to prosecute offenders.

I would like the Minister of State to speak on the issue of fines. She does not seem to have considered it necessary to put limits on the fine, whether it was to be £100,000 or £100 million.

I am advised that nowadays in relation to conviction on indictment for serious crimes, the procedure is not to tie the hands of the judge and to leave discretion with him. All of us have called for this under different legislation. The penalty ultimately must fit the crime. If there was any question of an excessive monetary penalty being imposed on a defendant, there would be very good grounds for appeal and the decision could be overturned by a higher court. It is the normal procedure today to leave discretion with the judge.

A great deal of legislation contains outdated penalties because we have not amended it. The Mineral Development Act, 1940 provided for penalties of as little as £5, £10 and £50 for different offences, which would in no way act as a deterrent today. With regard to summary convictions, we would have to increase by a factor of 32 the original monetary penalties of 1940 to maintain their monetary value today. I am sure the same factoring up would have to be done for penalties on indictment. The law is such that if any judge is deemed to have behaved unreasonably with regard to the level of penalties imposed, there is redress for the defendant.

Question put and agreed.
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