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SELECT COMMITTEE ON FINANCE AND THE PUBLIC SERVICE debate -
Wednesday, 19 Nov 2008

Double Taxation Relief Orders: Motion.

We are dealing with draft orders concerning exchange of information on taxation matters and double taxation reliefs. I welcome the Minister of State at the Department of Finance and I thank him and his officials for attending and assisting in our consideration of the draft orders. I also thank the officials for providing briefing material in advance, which has been circulated to the members. On 18 November the Dáil referred the following motion to the committee:

That Dáil Éireann approves the following Orders in draft:

(i) Double Taxation Relief (Taxes on Income and Capital Gains) (Republic Turkey) Order 2008, and

(ii) Double Taxation Relief (Taxes on Income) (Malta) Order 2008,

The committee will consider the draft orders. I call the Minister of State to make his presentation. When he concludes, I will invite members to make a contribution.

I apologise for being a few minutes late. I must declare what might be considered a potential interest. My wife works in an oriental carpet business that imports a substantial number of certain categories of oriental carpet from Turkey. Neither she nor the business is even partially resident in Turkey and, therefore, there are no implications.

I am pleased to introduce draft Government orders giving force of law in Ireland to two new bilateral international taxation conventions. This is the second occasion within a short time that I have had the pleasure of addressing the committee on the topic of new double taxation agreements. The reason is that these two new agreements have been signed since I last appeared and there is urgency in securing approval of the committee and the Dáil in order that the agreements may be included in the Finance Bill, thereby completing Ireland's ratification procedures.

Double taxation agreements are recognised as one of the most effective mechanisms for developing and strengthening economic relations between nations. They reduce tax impediments that might otherwise deter the development of bilateral trading and investment activities between countries. The conclusion of such agreements is also important in developing diplomatic and political relations between countries. As a small, open economy heavily dependent on trade and investment activities with other countries, the continued expansion of Ireland's network of international tax agreements is of vital importance to the future of the economy.

The two orders concern double taxation conventions signed between Ireland and the Republic of Turkey and Malta. Ireland has 45 double taxation agreements in force, including with all EU countries, except Malta, and all OECD countries, except Turkey. These agreements, therefore, represent the completion of Ireland's network of double taxation agreements with all EU and OECD countries.

Negotiations are also ongoing with a range of other countries and they are at various stages. Treaty negotiations with Thailand, Albania, Georgia, Moldova, Azerbaijan and Bosnia Herzegovina have been concluded and are due to be signed shortly. Negotiations are also ongoing with other countries, including Egypt, Kuwait, Morocco, Ukraine, Serbia, Tunisia, and Armenia. The Department of Finance and the Revenue Commissioners also continue to liaise with business representative bodies in identifying other countries where tax agreements would assist Irish business.

The consideration of the agreements with Turkey and Malta by the committee is an important step in their ratification process. Draft Government orders confirming and giving effect in Ireland to the conventions were laid before Dáil Éireann on 17 November in accordance with the provisions of section 826 of the Taxes Consolidation Act 1997. A resolution by the House approving the draft orders is required before the Government can make the orders. The proposal that Dáil Éireann approve the draft orders has been referred to the committee for consideration. The draft orders will then be referred back to the Dáil for approval. After that, the Government may make the orders and the agreements will then be included in a Schedule to the Taxes Acts, by means of a section in the Finance Bill. On the passing of the Bill, the Irish ratification procedures will be complete. Once both countries have completed their parliamentary procedures, the conventions will take effect in accordance with their entry into force provisions.

I will describe the background to, and contents of, the conventions. The main purpose of double taxation agreements is to avoid the taxation in both countries of the same income or gains. This is achieved by allocating exclusive taxing rights to one country, or where both countries retain taxing rights, by requiring the country where the taxpayer is resident to grant credit against its tax for the tax paid in the other country. Double taxation agreements cover direct taxes, which in the case of Ireland are income tax, corporation tax and capital gains tax. They are comprehensive in scope, covering both the taxation of companies and individuals and are, in the main, based on the OECD model tax convention. Apart from relieving double taxation, such agreements include provisions dealing with non-discrimination in taxation matters. They also have mutual agreement procedures, which allow the tax authorities of both counties to consult each other on taxation matters affecting the agreement, and provisions that allow for the exchange of information for the purpose of preventing tax evasion.

The conclusion of the agreement with Turkey is tangible evidence of the expanding economic relations between Ireland and Turkey. During the past several years, the Republic of Turkey has gone through a comprehensive process of economic reform and restructuring. Turkey experienced major economic crises in 2000 and 2001 but, as a result of a reform programme put in place by the Turkish Government in 2001, the Turkish economy has undergone an impressive economic transformation, such that it now has one of the highest GDP growth rates in the OECD. Economic growth continues to be driven by substantial growth in exports and foreign direct investment and, despite the global financial crisis, GDP is expected to increase by 4% this year.

In 2007 Turkey was Ireland's 21st largest merchandise trading partner with merchandise trade worth €943 million. Exports were valued at €412 million and imports at €531 million with the principal merchandise exports being medical and pharmaceutical products, essential oils and chemical materials while the principal merchandise imports were road vehicles, apparel, iron and steel. With regard to tourism links, the Irish are the fifth largest group of foreign nationals owning property in Turkey. Turkey is also a potential EU accession country and it is, therefore, an important trading and investment partner for Ireland.

The double taxation agreement with Turkey covers direct taxes imposed in both countries. It is comprehensive in scope, and generally follows the OECD model tax convention. Specific provisions in the agreement deal, inter alia, with the taxation of business profits, dividends, interest and royalty payments, employment income and pensions. Other important matters dealt with include non-discrimination provisions, which protect nationals from discriminatory tax provisions in the other country, and exchange of information provisions, which are necessary to counter tax evasion. As I have stated already, the agreement is expected to have a positive impact on trade and investment between both countries. Apart from avoiding double taxation and reducing incidence of taxation, especially with regard to dividend, interest and royalty payments, it will provide certainty for taxpayers in both countries on cross-border taxation matters.

I now turn to the double taxation convention with Malta which was signed only last week. As I have stated, Malta was the only EU member state with which Ireland did not have a double taxation agreement. Malta is one of the smallest EU member countries, with a population of just 400,000 people. Malta joined the EU in 2004 and was admitted to the eurozone in 2008. Trade and investment between both countries is small, but good opportunities exist to develop closer economic relations in the future.

In common with other Irish double taxation agreements, the agreement with Malta generally follows the OECD model tax convention. It covers the direct taxes of both countries and covers the taxation of both individuals and companies. It provides for reduced rates of withholding tax on dividends and royalty payments and exemption at source for interest payments. These provisions are of importance in reducing fiscal barriers to investment flows between each country. Other important articles include non-discrimination provisions, which protect nationals from discriminatory tax provisions in the other country, and exchange of information provisions which are necessary to counter tax evasion.

I commend these two draft orders to the committee and, if required, will be happy to deal with any aspects of the agreements in more detail.

The double taxation agreement with Turkey covers capital gains, but the agreement with Malta does not. Why is that?

Malta does not have a separate capital gains tax, but taxes capital gains as part of an individual's income. Accordingly, Malta did not want to include capital gains in the title.

It is striking that Turkey has become such a significant trading partner and a popular place for Irish people to own property. Does the Minister of State know how many Irish people own properties in Turkey? Investments of that nature are an element of the tiger economy that have come under stress, but it would be interesting to have the factual information on property investments in Turkey.

What is the latest position on Turkey's application as an EU accession member and what is the Government view on that application?

We cannot broaden the discussion today.

It would be interesting to know.

I will make a qualified comment if the Chair permits.

An issue has arisen — it is very much a local issue — in the context of the recent betting tax proposed for bookmakers. It has become the practice that bookmakers running large tele-operations within Ireland have chosen to base themselves in Malta to where they can route their business. This business would, otherwise, appear to be entirely Irish based as it is an Irish outlet dealing with Irish customers. However, by having its licence from Malta, it avoids having to pay the betting tax that would apply here. It has been argued that this represents a substantial competitive advantage for those who have the scale to have tele-operations and base themselves outside the jurisdiction in comparison with the more ordinary corner bookmaker operation that is caught for the tax.

Do the double taxation arrangements look at issues such as those taxes and is there an appropriate test in the double taxation arrangement as to in which country a tax of that nature should fall to be paid? There is a 0% rate in Malta, but in Ireland the tax would be 2%. There is clearly a significant difference with regard to where the business is considered to be domiciled. If it is regarded as an Irish contract between Irish people using an Irish base, it would seem the business should pay the betting tax. However, current practice is to avoid such payment. How are decisions made with regard to deciding where such activity is domiciled for this type of tax?

In response to the first question my reply is off the top of my head and may be subject to correction. My understanding of the EU position is there is no a priori block on Turkey’s accession. It has long had the status of being a country eligible for accession, but this has led to lively internal political debate in some member states. Some political parties, before they took office, appeared to adopt positions close to a veto on Turkish membership. The formal position is there is no a priori block and there has been some agreement that at some time in the middle distance there is a possibility of negotiations. Accession will be subject to terms and conditions, both general ones relating to issues such as democracy and internal justice conditions and other specific matters.

The Irish position has, in principle, been positive about prospects for Turkish membership. It recognises this is not something that will happen in the immediate or near future. The jury is still out on the ultimate direction that will be taken. There are many ideological debates as to whether Turkey is or is not part of Europe. Geographically, I suppose a small bit of it is part of Europe. If I remember my Greek mythology correctly, Zeus, in one of his acts of rape, raped Europa in Asia Minor and carried her across to where Turkey now is.

Personally, I would not be inclined to exclude Turkey from future consideration as a member. There are power issues such as if Turkey joined the European Union it would probably be the largest member state in terms of population. Current large member states might be more concerned about that than state assets.

The Minister of State's background in foreign affairs is coming out.

The second part is we do not have a precise figure for the net number of homes in Turkey. It seems it is quite big, as it is in certain other Mediterranean countries. As the agreement with Malta does not cover betting tax, it does not affect the position. It is a matter of EU law, under which there is freedom of establishment. Nonetheless, the concerns the Deputy expressed will be brought to Revenue's attention. However, they are not directly relevant to this agreement.

When the Minister of State refers to freedom of establishment, he implies effectively it is legitimate to have an Irish operation brass-plated in another member state.

Subject to a further review by the Revenue Commissioners, that appears to be the case. Ireland is host to companies, the bulk of whose operations are not based in Ireland.

The defining principle is that there is a substantive business located in Ireland. That is the issue for Revenue.

The point is taken.

Regarding Zeus and Europa, we could talk about a lot of bull. It is very positive that Turkey has had such a good rate of economic growth. Ireland has enjoyed very cordial relations with it. Are the Revenue Commissioners aware of the numbers of Irish residents who own property in Turkey? I would be somewhat surprised if the Irish were the fifth largest group of owners of, presumably, holiday properties in Turkey. Given the fondness of a wide range of European countries for Turkey, it seems surprising. Does the agreement also cover northern Cyprus which is under Turkish governance?

As regards the numbers of homes in Turkey, as I replied to Deputy Bruton, we do not have precise figures. However, we can follow up the matter to ascertain whether we can obtain more detailed figures, in which case we will supply them to the Deputies.

As Deputy Burton knows, the Government does not recognise the Government of northern Cyprus, nor a fortiori would we regard it as being part of Turkey or under Turkish jurisdiction, whatever the de facto position may be. Therefore, it is not covered by the agreement.

What are the rates of corporation tax in Turkey and Malta? The Minister of State mentioned the level of trade with Malta. With the double taxation agreements in place, what will be the net tax gain or loss to the Exchequer?

The corporation tax rate in Turkey is 20%, which is higher than that in Ireland. Was the Deputy asking about Malta or Turkey?

In the case of Turkey, obviously, firms would have no particular interest in relocating there. The rate in Malta is even higher. It is 35%.

Are there special rates for particular companies such as those involved in financial services in either country?

There is small print in the tax code of any country. I cannot tell the Deputy what amplifications or modifications there might be. The standard rate is 35%. Like Ireland, Malta would be subject to the EU code of conduct regarding tax competition.

Is there an estimate of the net tax gain or loss to the Exchequer? On a personal note, the Minister of State has said his wife has an involvement with Turkey.

She works in a business. She does not own it.

Does she contribute to exports from or imports to Ireland?

That is no mythology this time.

Might she contribute to exports?

The company sells carpets outside the jurisdiction, notably to Northern Ireland.

I thank the members for their questions. I take it that the select committee recommends that there should be no further debate on the motion by Dáil Éireann. Is that agreed? Agreed. The clerk has circulated a draft report. Is it agreed to, with the inclusion of the starting and finishing times and the names of the members who contributed to the debate? Agreed. Is it agreed that the report be laid before both Houses of the Oireachtas and sent to the Whips for their information? Agreed. I thank the Minister of State, Deputy Mansergh, and his officials for attending.

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