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Dáil Éireann debate -
Tuesday, 30 Nov 1976

Vol. 294 No. 7

Private Members' Business. - Adjournment Debate: Skerries Harbour.

The question I tabled referred specifically to Skerries harbour—Skerries harbour as it is and as it will be in the light of the much publicised agreement in The Hague a number of weeks ago. I am bitterly disappointed with the answer given to me by the Parliamentary Secretary, which gives no hope to the fishermen at Skerries for the expansion of their fleet and the provision of proper landing facilities for them for the future. It casts doubt on the sincerity of the Minister for Foreign Affairs and his pronouncements from The Hague in relation to the expansion of the fishing fleet as he envisages it over the next couple of years. The Hague Agreement, as I understand it, promised roughly 300 extra boats into our ports over the next three years, a doubling of our catch over the same period. How can this be done if there are no proper harbour facilities?

The Parliamentary Secretary stated that the Fishery Harbour Centres Act of 1968 envisaged five major harbours in this country and Skerries was not one of them. The 1968 Act never envisaged the type of expansion we have seen and that is envisaged over the next couple of years. What we are talking about now is a 200-mile limit for Europe and, I hope, if we are not sold out by the Minister for Foreign Affairs, a 50-mile limit exclusively for our own fishermen. If we are to see the extra 300 boats, if we are to see the 50-mile limit and what it promises to us, how can we operate on the basis of the 1968 Act?

There are problems on the west and south coasts, but I want to talk about the east coast now. The main harbours of the east coast are Howth, Skerries, Balbriggan and Clogherhead. Howth had an intensive expansion campaign about four years ago. A great deal of money was spent on it, and no matter how much more money is spent on it, it can still only deal with the same size boats as they have now, and it is chock-a-block at the moment. No matter how much the inner harbour is deepened, nothing can be done with the outer reef. Balbriggan needs deepening and improvement to the harbour walls, something I have raised with the Parliamentary Secretary on a number of occasions, and Clogherhead needs extra facilities; but for both of them they would be merely improvements of existing harbours.

The one great hope for the eastern fishermen is a new harbour at Skerries. The Parliamentary Secretary ignored the depth of the question I tabled to him last week and instead of answering the question I asked him about a completely new harbour, he merely spoke about an extension of the existing harbour. In the light of The Hague Agreement and the possibility of a 50-mile exclusive limit for our fishermen, the expansion of the existing harbour would be of no benefit to the Skerries fishermen.

The existing situation in Skerries is this: there are roughly £10 million worth of boats there. There are orders and potential for a further £10 million worth of boats within the next ten years. Between £20 million and £25 million worth of boats will be in the Skerries harbour within the next two to two and a half years. There is a ludicrous situation even with the existing fleet in Skerries. The boats pull in at night-time. They are three or four abreast to the harbour wall. A half a million pounds worth of a boat pulls in in low water. If they are not in early, the crew have to unload their catch and carry it across four or five decks to the harbour wall. It is pulled up by ropes on to the quay and then taken by truck to the Dublin market. If the crew want to take ice on board they bring the ice along in a wheelbarrow to the harbour wall and again take it down by ropes and across a number of decks to their boat. When we are talking in terms of an investment of £250,000 or £500,000, such procedures for loading and unloading are ludicrous.

If there was a factory being opened in the Parliamentary Secretary's constituency in Cork, in Galway or in any other constituency and if the Government, the IDA or whatever State authority was involved had invested £500,000 in it, I have no doubt that there would be three or four Ministers down there opening it, a very good dinner at which all local dignitaries would be invited to celebrate the occasion. Here is a situation at Skerries where £500,000 worth of a boat operates in conditions which prevailed at the time of Our Lord in the Sea of Gallilee. In his reply to my question last Thursday the Parliamentary Secretary said:

I will provide a State contribution for the improvements needed at this harbour but I must obtain first an engineering report and an estimate of cost from the Office of Public Works on the works proposed. I understand that that office has placed a contract for a boring survey as a preliminary to drawing up the engineering report.

May I suggest to the Parliamentary Secretary that he should not insult the intelligence of the Skerries fishermen by talking any more about boring surveys. They have listened to that since this Government came into office. They have listened to promises about boring equipment being sent to Skerries. The boring equipment eventually arrived; one hole was dug and those involved took off never to be seen again. No survey has been done and no proper report has been prepared. I gather there is a further boring survey under way and that a contract has gone out for it.

The time for the petty thinking attached to providing a mere extension to Skerries harbour is gone. It might have been all right a few years ago but not any longer. The extension of the existing Skerries harbour would merely exacerbate an already difficult situation. All it would do is extend the harbour into shallow water. That would not accommodate the bigger boats, the 85- and 90-footers that are on order and being awaited.

I shall tell the Parliamentary Secretary a little story. About a month ago there was a north-westerly gale on a Friday night, and at about ten o'clock at night the crews of two of the boats had to go on board and take them out in that gale. They could not get into Howth because of the gale and the direction of the wind. They had to go right up to Butt Bridge. They took their lives in their hands that night. Had they stayed in Skerries harbour their boats would have been destroyed up on the beach. Surely the Parliamentary Secretary realises that talking about extending the harbour is only nibbling at the problem. The problem must be viewed broadly in the long term, not narrowly in the short term. I would ask the Parliamentary Secretary to lift himself up above mere extensions and look at the potential of the Irish fishing fleet and Irish fishing waters.

The one great hope of the east coast fishermen is a proper harbour in Skerries, a harbour which will give water at all times, a safe harbour from which men will not have to pull out in the middle of the night, no matter from where or how the wind blows. A proper harbour will mean that their half-million and quarter-million pound boats will not be sitting on an uneven harbour bed. That is what they are doing at the moment in Skerries.

What happens? A quarter of a million pounds worth of boat pulls into Skerries harbour. The tide ebbs and that boat is left sitting on an uneven harbour bed. The hull gets damaged. If the Parliamentary Secretary is unfamiliar with the situation he can check it out with An Bord Iascaigh Mhara because they have been examining it. They have walked it. I was with them. They examined the bed of the harbour. It is in a very, very dangerous condition.

If the Government are really serious about it in their much talked of interest in our fishing industry they simply cannot be unaware of the importance of Skerries harbour to east coast fishermen. The whole east coast fishing depends on a proper harbour at Skerries, a harbour providing deep water at all times, with proper berths, proper sale sheds, proper ioing plants and proper fuelling plants. All these can be provided but only if Skerries is provided with a new harbour.

The Parliamentary Secretary talked about the Fishery Harbour Centres Act of 1968 and the development of State fishery harbour centres and says he does not propose to extend these to include Skerries. When he makes a statement like that he is not thinking in terms of 1976. He is thinking in terms of 1968. I would like him to assure the House tonight that he will first of all, improve Balbriggan harbour and erect a proper harbour wall and a proper harbour bed; that he will also improve Clogherhead and survey and build a complete new harbour in Skerries which will form the basis of the fishing industry on the east coast.

Skerries is the harbour closest to the fishing grounds. If the Government are serious about the extension of our fishing limits and the doubling of our catch over the next couple of years we must have a new east coast harbour and in my view that can only be in Skerries. The extra 300 boats envisaged in The Hague agreement could not be accommodated in Howth or Balbriggan. Small boats can utilise the latter but, as I say, both Balbriggan and Clogherhead must be improved to accommodate these properly. If there is an extension of the existing position all you will do is go into shallow water and further exacerbate an already exacerbated situation. The only hope for the east coast fishermen with 300 extra boats and a 200-mile limit, with an exclusive 50-mile limit, is the building of a new harbour at Skerries.

I join with Deputy Burke in hoping that Skerries harbour and the fishing industry there will prosper in the years ahead. It was interesting listening to Deputy Burke's preamble when he mentioned the question of limits. Limits are not, of course, proper to this discussion but, since he mentioned them, it is only right that I should reply. He expressed the hope that this Government will not sell the fishermen out. The fact is this Government are trying to buy our fishermen back. It was the Fianna Fáil Government who sold them out in 1970, 1971 and 1972. There was no mention of any exclusive limits at all when Fianna Fáil were negotiating our accession to the European Economic Community. I have pointed that out again and again here. I repeat it once more now.

It is not a question of this Government selling the fishermen out. It is a question of this Government buying ourselves back. We were sold out. Fisheries were completely forgotten when the negotiations were under way. There was just no mention of them at all. What happened when Fianna Fáil signed on the dotted line was made clear last week by the Minister for Foreign Affairs. The actual emphasis was on free access for all our European partners up to our very shores. We are changing that. I shall not dwell further on the matter.

Skerries harbour needs to be developed. That has been said over and over again. Let us examine its history. An agitation commenced in the early 'fifties for much needed development works at Skerries. After almost 20 years agitation it was decided to carry out some works there at a cost of £71,000, 50 per cent to be borne by the Exchequer and 50 per cent by Dublin County Council. No sooner were the works carried out— the Deputy represented the area because Fianna Fáil were in office for 16 years up to 1971——

I was not a TD for the area at that time.

No sooner were the works carried out than they were found to be inadequate and ultimately it became the job of the new Government to try to overcome the difficulties that existed. I do not like to reflect on work done in the past but seemingly there was a lack of foresight in regard to the extent of the improvements needed at Skerries and we have been left by Fianna Fáil a big legacy of work needing to be done.

In 1971, when money was more freely available than it is now and when a great deal more work could be done with the money available, we had a most peculiar position obtaining in regard to harbours. Deputy Burke mentioned other harbours needing development besides Skerries. In 1971 this House voted £640,000 for harbour works. In that year, when Skerries needed additional moneys for further improvements, only £206,038 was expended and the balance of £393,962 went back into the Exchequer. That was the evolution when Fianna Fáil were in office so far as harbour development works were concerned. That was not an unusual year. In the previous year additional moneys went back to the Exchequer as well because Fianna Fáil were not interested in harbour development.

The next chapter started when we took office. I was out in Skerries with my advisers to examine the extent of the work required. I felt, and still feel, that a comprehensive job is required at Skerries to meet local requirements but before public moneys can be utilised for the provision of the necessary work there it is essential that a first-class survey be carried out, designs and structures drawn up by specialists in that field and reports made on them by the Department. My job is to ensure that any moneys expended on harbour or any other works by the Department of Agriculture and Fisheries are gainfully utilised for the benefit of the community. We are doing that. I indicated that position in my reply to Deputy Burke on Wednesday last. This is a peculiar situation—I merely mention it in passing—that we have a question on the Adjournment here this evening because, when it was answered in the Dáil on Wednesday last, the Deputy concerned was not present.

I was at home in bed with the flu.

Oh, I am sorry if the Deputy was. It is an unusual situation.

I have said I was at home in bed with flu and that is why it is being raised this evening.

I withdraw any reflection I may have made on the Deputy.

It was not worthy of the Parliamentary Secretary.

No, but it is unusual to have a question raised here.

The reason it was raised is that I was sick in bed last week and it was unworthy of the Parliamentary Secretary even to mention it.

But the Deputy did go into detail so far as the answer I gave was concerned and did pick meanings out of it not intended.

I read the book.

The Deputy misinterpreted the answer I gave. We were not too satisfied with the Office of Public Works carrying out this survey so we asked that it be given to a contractor. The estimated cost of the work for the survey is £20,000. That will give an idea of the magnitude of the boring surveys to be carried out. Our last discussions with the Board of Works were on the 19th November, less than two weeks ago, when we asked them what was happening so far as the survey was concerned. We were told that the contractor was ready to go ahead and was waiting on favourable weather. Therefore, it can be seen that there has been no undue delay on the part of the Department. We are not going to spend money, as was expended in 1971, on a scheme which, no sooner completed, was found to be completely inadequate. My case was, and is, that Skerries required a more comprehensive scheme in 1971 than was carried out then. Of course, Deputy Burke said we did not envisage then the expansion of the fishing industry now foreseeable. That was because Fianna Fáil were then in power. Now that we are in power, fishing has got a new status. Formerly, it was scarcely mentioned at all in the public press. Now it is the subject not alone of a great deal of writing in the national and provincial press but also of a number of editorials. That is what we like and demonstrates the new status of fishing under this Government.

I can assure Deputy Burke that, so far as Skerries is concerned, he will have my full support. I agree that it is a harbour needing development. I am sorry that the works carried out there in 1971 were not of a more comprehensive nature. We will obtain the report as early as we possibly can from the contractor charged with the job. As soon as that is obtained we will have it examined in the Department, investigate what will be the probable cost and endeavour to get the moneys necessary to have the work carried out. I shall not hazard a guess at the possible cost of this scheme; possibly it will be a sizeable amount and I am not ruling out the provision of a new harbour at Skerries. I am sure Deputy Burke will be satisfied that my Department are giving close and careful attention to this question, as we are to a number of other similar ones, perhaps not of the same size or importance—other harbours around our coast. We will endeavour to get more money for harbour development. My aim will be to distribute such moneys as equitably as possible around our coastline. I am giving priority to this scheme at Skerries because I think it is needed.

I am mindful always of the desirability of getting as much money as we possibly can for harbour development. I want to say to the fishermen of Skerries and to all the others who fish off harbours around our coast that all their representations and recommendations are receiving careful attention. We cannot undertake all of the work within a short period or even within a relatively short time. We are trying to establish a priority list and do the most needy jobs first.

When speaking on harbour development I want to say also that I am not ruling out the position of small harbours that can be improved for the benefit of smaller numbers of fishermen and their boats——

Balbriggan.

——with the help of State aid, such as 75 per cent and 50 per cent grants in what are termed to be the more favoured parts of the country.

I shall be only too pleased to let Deputy Burke have any information he may require on Skerries harbour from time to time.

The Dáil adjourned at 9.00 p.m. until 10.30 a.m. on Wednesday, 1st December, 1976.

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