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Dáil Éireann debate -
Tuesday, 7 Mar 1989

Vol. 387 No. 10

Private Members' Business. - Economic Development Bill, 1989: Second Stage.

I move: "That the Bill be now read a Second Time."

When introducing their recently published document, An Economic Accord for 1992, Fine Gael announced their intention to publish this Bill. It is a comprehensive Bill, attempting to cover all aspects of preparation for 1992. Fine Gael believe it is only by a comprehensive, integrated approach that the country will reap full benefits from the Single European Market.

The process of preparation for 1992 is the last opportunity Ireland has this century to lift itself from the relative economic decline from which it has suffered for over 100 years, almost since the Famine. In the Single European Market every inefficiency in our economy will be exposed, any costs that are out of line will lead to job losses, any sluggishness in our response to market opportunities will be fatal; others will get in before us. That is why every aspect of the economy must be modernised in preparation for 1992. A comprehensive Bill of this kind is the quickest way to remove a whole series of legal roadblocks to our development. If each of the legal changes proposed in this Bill, ranging from education right through to roads policy, is left aside to be dealt with in individual Bills emanating from individual Departments, valuable time will be lost. Some of the measures may not be implemented for years because they are low in the priorities of individual Departments.

I do not expect that the Government will agree with every detail of the individual provisions in this Bill. They may even want provisions to be removed entirely. That can be dealt with on Committee Stage. The issue to be decided now on Second Stage is a different one. It is the question of whether we should seek to have a comprehensive Bill to deal with 1992. Do the Government agree that 1992 issues should be put at the top of our legislative agenda and dealt with right away? This Bill would enable the House to do that, to put 1992 and everything germaine to preparing for it at the top of our agenda and deal with it comprehensively and quickly. If politicians can be seen to work together to prepare for 1992, as would be seen to be the case if this Bill is accepted, this example will encourage others. If, on the other hand, politicians are seen not to wish to co-operate in a matter of this kind, some of the ritual sermonising to the rest of the economy about preparation and co-operation for 1992 will seem much less credible.

Let me refer to some of the detailed provisions in the Bill. Section 12 sets formal targets for national industrial performance as a result of the measures proposed. We must set our sights high and aim at something worthwhile. These targets will be established by law, and are to achieve by the years 2000, (a), an increase in the labour force at work by 100,000, that is up to 320,000 in industry and related services and, (b), a doubling of Ireland's share of the world market for industrial products by reference to our share in 1987. These targets are not drawn from the air; they are based on the OECD study on innovation policy in Ireland published in 1987. The Bill also provides in section 12 for the establishment in all seven regions of the country of regional development authorities similar to SFADCo, who already operate successfully in the mid west. All agree that SFADCo have worked well. Why then should other regions be denied the same opportunity that SFADCo afforded to the mid west? Local talent can best be harnessed if there is local decision making. The flair and imagination of our people will not be harnessed by schemes and plans that are simply handed down from Dublin. There must be genuine local responsibility. That is the way to get results and that is why in this Bill we propose regional development authorities throughout the country.

The Bill provides in section 7 for regular reporting by the Government to a joint committee of the Dáil and Seanad on the progress of preparation for 1992. This committee could provide the basis for a national forum for 1992 as proposed in the Fine Gael document An Economic Accord for 1992. Such a national forum of 1992 would bring together politicians of the main parties along with the social partners. One of the positive achievements of this Government has been the constructive involvement of the social partners in decision making. If it has been successful in the limited area to which it has already been applied, why not, as was done in the New Ireland Forum in regard to Northern Ireland, extend this consensus approach to involve political parties as well in regard to the economy? Surely 1992 is a topic important enough to warrant such a radical departure. Such a forum on 1992 would provide a means whereby the valuable work of bodies like the NESC could have a direct input to the political system. The NESC have produced numerous reports on a variety of topics in respect of which there is no direct access to the political system and which, as a result, have little impact. The involvement of all the major political parties in a forum on preparation for 1992 would also tend to obviate the danger of a recurrence of manifesto politics of the 1977 variety. Regardless of whether one has read that manifesto document, one must agree that manifesto politics of that type did nothing but harm to this country. With a forum approach in which fundamental economic policies were being looked at together by politicians of all major parties, the scope, the temptation and the credibility of manifesto politics will be greatly diminished.

The Bill provides in section 8 for the statutory establishment of an independent national roads development authority. Such an authority have already been set up by the Government but on a non-statutory basis. Section 8 would enable the Minister to give them a statutory basis. Only if they have a statutory basis will they have real authority, as is intended, to make decisions.

It is essential that there be effective, co-ordinated, long-term planning for road development. This cannot be left to a multiplicity of local authorities pursuing individual plans. One can drive at present on a wide spacious road but suddenly the road narrows, the surface worsens and one realises that one has crossed into a different county council area. That is no way to plan and a national roads authority would ensure that this type of phenomenon would become a thing of the past. Delays on our roads can cost dearly in competition for orders in the European market. Just in time delivery to minimise the holding of stocks in industry is a key element in industrial success. If goods are supposed to be at the harbour in Antwerp at 5 a.m. it is not a sufficient excuse to say that they were stuck in a traffic jam at Lucan. That is why we need a road development authority.

Section 8 also requires the Minister for the Environment to present to the Dáil before 30 June a report on improvements to country roads and the reclassification of roads. The recent cuts in the rate support grants by the Minister for the Environment make such a report on the situation of county roads a matter of urgency. Reclassification of some of these roads would relieve some of the pressure on them. Many of them are carrying traffic volumes which are inappropriate to their status as county roads.

Section 1 of this Bill makes statutory provision for the first time for the promotion of the teaching of continental languages in our schools. It provides that EC funds should be sought for the retraining of teachers in additional continental languages for this purpose. A certificate in continental languages for adults as well as for school children is also proposed. International teacher and pupil exchanges are to be promoted under the terms of the Bill. Only in this way will Irish people begin, through learning both the language and lifestyle of continental Europeans, to think as Europeans. If we continue to see ourselves, despite all the hype about 1992, as really part of the Australian-American culture, we will not get the best out of Europe.

At present the vocational education committees and regional technical colleges are precluded by law from co-operating effectively with industry. Section 1 (2) of the Bill will give them for the first time the statutory authority to co-operate with industry. This will allow for the placement of students and graduates in firms with a view to promoting employment and technological competence in Irish industry. It will enable regional technical colleges to do research for industry. Linking industry and education is a key area. Most people would agree that innovation is the key to success. The OECD in their study on innovation policy in Ireland identified above all else better links between industry and education as the key to success. This Bill provides for the first time the statutory basis on which this can be done, both in regard to vocational and regional colleges in section 1 and in regard to higher education in a later section.

The Bill also provides for the introduction of effective competition policy in our economy, thereby reducing business costs. This is necessary if we are to increase our share of the international market. It is to be done under this Bill by incorporating EC competition legislation, Articles 85 and 86 of the Treaty of Rome, in domestic law through section 14 of this Bill. These Articles of the Treaty of Rome would then become directly enforceable in the Irish courts as regards domestic as well as international business transactions. Predatory pricing, market sharing and all other abuses of a dominant position in the market would then become crimes in Irish law. That is the only way to stamp them out. It is much more effective than our present cumbersome procedure whereby there has first to be a complaint, then an inquiry, a report, a recommendation to the Government, the drafting of an order which has to be approved by the Dáil and finally action. That process can take two or three years. This Bill would make such activities illegal from the date of enactment and legal proceedings could be instituted without any of that wasteful process.

I recognise that a study is being done by the Fair Trade Commission into the feasibility of bringing Articles 85 and 86 into domestic law. I recognise that the Minister for Industry and Commerce may wish to have this report before bringing section 14 of this Bill into effect, if the Bill is passed. There is, therefore, provision in section 14 to give the Minister the power to deal with various administrative matters by regulation and also the power to delay the implementation of this section until he has the report and is satisfied that everything is ready for its introduction. I hope this overcomes some, if not all, of the objections the Minister advanced to an earlier proposal along the lines of section 14 promoted by Deputy Cullen and the Progressive Democrats.

Section 12 also requires regular reporting by the Government on the actual reduction of Irish costs for energy, electricity, road transport, postal services, telecommunications and air and sea transport to a level at or below that obtaining in other member states. It is important that there should be a legal requirement on the Government to report regularly to this House on the progress they are making in bringing down our costs. Only then will the Government have consistent pressure on them and be able in turn to put consistent pressure on the relevant agencies to bring down our costs to European levels. There is a great discipline for the public service in the requirement to present a regular report to this House on progress in a particular area. That provision in section 12 will be of great assistance in ensuring the consistent application of policy to reduce to European levels and below Irish energy, electricity, road transport and other relevant costs.

Section 6 of the Bill amends the Higher Education Act to give the HEA a specific mandate to promote links between institutions of higher education and industry. This will be achieved, for example, by joint ventures and research. At the moment the Higher Education Authority have no particular mandate to concern themselves with whether individual colleges are making an effort to establish links with industry or are making no effort. If colleges do make this effort, they may perhaps do it to get money to maintain programmes they want to continue. That is not the best motive. We believe that there should be a consistent policy applied by the Higher Education Authority in favour of getting closer links between higher education and industry for the reasons I have already quoted in regard to the OECD report.

The Higher Education Authority are also being required under section 6 to make provision for second chance or part-time education for those who have already spent time at work. Second chance education is vital as a means of providing a route back to work for those who have become unemployed. By putting emphasis on second chance education, we can also help to reduce emigration. Voluntary emigration is highest amongst those who have been in full-time education up to graduation from university, without ever having worked in Ireland. Young people who go from school to university, who have helped to finance their university education by summer jobs in America or Britain, never work in Ireland. Immediately on reaching graduation those young people see jobs in Britain or America as their natural destiny. If more of those people, in order to qualify for the maximum grants for university, or in order to have enough money to help finance their education, were encouraged to work for some time in Ireland before going to university I believe they would have a greater tendency to look to the Irish job market as a possible place of employment rather than, as many seem to do, going straight from the country to admittedly better paid jobs overseas. The brain drain is one of our biggest problems. It has been probably the biggest single problem inhibiting the development of the country since the famine.

In the case of the Finns, the Austrians and others who have suffered much more trauma than us, their talented people have to stay at home. They do not have the option of emigration because of the linguistic barrier and they are prepared to work, perhaps for less than they could get in America or Australia, in their own country. They may not have a choice because they do not speak sufficiently good English to take up a job in America, but the fact that they are forced to work at home means they invest their talent in their own economy. We have, on the other hand, a process whereby the best are being creamed off by recruiting agencies from overseas. People who should be the natural leaders in this community will become the natural leaders and wealth creators in other countries and that has been happening since the famine. We have had a process of negative selection in so far as our population is concerned over that period.

If we are to get into the European fast lane rather than the slow lane between now and 1992, we must do something about that. Putting more emphasis on second chance education, putting more emphasis on going to work for a while before completing higher education — preferably working here rather than elsewhere, but at least giving an incentive to people to work before going to university — is one way of fixing more of our people here and encouraging them to put their talents back into our economy. The composition of the Higher Education Authority is also being altered under the Bill in order to give greater emphasis to broad national concerns in the planning of higher education. More non-academic members are being introduced to enable the HEA to better perform a genuinely independent analytical role. Academics totally dominate the Authority at the moment. This is unhealthy. In future, under the Bill, a minimum of ten members of the Authority should be non-academic, of whom seven shall have had practical commercial experience.

The Higher Education Authority are also being required under the Bill to emphasise university disciplines which have good employment prospects in Ireland, and to eliminate unnecessary duplication of facilities. There is a high degree of wasteful duplication of facilities at the moment. This is money we cannot afford when so many of our young people are still leaving school without any basic qualification. As a result of this Bill, Irish higher education will be given a new statutory mandate to prepare for the next century.

Fine Gael believe it is essential that banks give greater support to economic development. Section 2 amends the Central Bank Act to this effect. The Central Bank are being asked to co-operate more closely with industrial development agencies. The asset fixation of our banking system and our bankers must change. Human resources, not physical assets, are what produce wealth. Human resources should be the best possible security for our bankers. They are not at the moment but I hope we can in a small way through legislation like this change those fundamental attitudes in our banking system.

Delays in obtaining planning permission from local authorities can inhibit commercial and industrial development. We propose in sections 3, 4 and 5 to reduce the time limits for decisions on planning applications. Similar provisions are being made in regard to by-law approval in urban areas. Section 4 also requires that, in the case of all planning applications, a notice shall always be erected on the site.

Ireland ties up a disproportionate amount of its national savings in houses. We are a relatively overhoused population in terms of our actual needs. Ordinary people do not tend to save at all in the form of wealth generating assets. The general public must be encouraged to put their savings into productive business which generates new wealth rather than the generation of consumer goods like houses. We cannot afford to have a disproportionate amount of our savings tied up in fixed assets where the employment spin-off on a continuing basis is small or nil.

Section 9, therefore, makes a radical new proposal to encourage greater investment in Irish industry by ordinary individuals. Taxpayers will be allowed under this section to use any unused portion of their normal mortgage interest tax relief as tax relief on interest paid on borrowings for investment in firms established under the business expansion scheme. Taxpayers with no, small or declining mortgages, will thus be given a major incentive to invest in job creation. This is much more productive than the present system which encourages people who have no, small or declining mortgages to invest only in trading up to a larger house in order to ensure that they get the maximum tax relief. By providing an option to take that tax relief in the form of interest on investment in something that will generate a flow of wealth rather than being a consumer good itself, like a house, we will remove the bias in favour of fixed asset investment in housing. We will then move more of our private savings into the productive sector.

It should be remembered that the Government, whoever is in power, cannot create jobs on their own. It is only if private individuals are prepared to use their savings as well to create jobs, and get a profit for so doing, they they will lift our economy. A tax incentive of this kind, which would encourage ordinary people to use mortgage interest relief as a means of investing in shares, will help us to achieve our full potential in that area.

The Government are asked under the Bill to investigate the possibility of selling shares in State companies to provide funds for the expansion of employment and activity by those companies. There is a provision in section 12 that the Government must present a report on the possible sale of shares in State companies to the House on or before 30 September 1989. I stress that the purpose of the sale of such shares would be to finance expansion by the companies concerned into other areas. The section also requires that the report be objective and cover the disadvantages as well as the advantages of the possible sale of shares. I trust that nobody could object to such an inquiry being conducted. Certainly it is a subject upon which a great deal of heat has been expended and, perhaps, the proposal in the Bill will shed a little light on to it and lead to constructive action on an agreed basis. It might perhaps find a way in which the Government could get over some of the objectives they are facing from some members of the central review committee in regard to this matter.

The creation of a single European market provides major opportunities for Irish agriculture. Irish agriculture still suffers from severe structural problems. Much of the land of Ireland is under-utilised. This is because the occupiers of the land are too old in some cases to utilise it fully but, for understandable reasons, do not wish to surrender ownership of the land. Long-term leasing provides a solution to this dilemma. It allows the ownership of the land to be retained by the original occupier while a younger or more highly motivated person has the opportunity to actually use the land and use it more intensively for a period on a secure basis.

Section 10 proposes to more than double the existing tax relief available to those who let their land under long-term leases contracted before the end of 1992. The provision of a cut-off date, the end of 1990, for this extra tax relief and the revision after that date to the present level of relief in designed to ensure that such leases are contracted speedily. This will give a major boost to long-term leasing and will provide a target towards which agricultural advisers, solicitors and others can work in ensuring that these leases are drawn up. It will be, if accepted, a major agricultural reform.

The 1986 Finance Act introduced a tax incentive for investment in research and development by Irish companies. Complex restrictions were however included in it by the then Minister for Finance. These have meant that these improved incentives have remained unused, despite the good intentions of the promoter and his advisers. Time is always available to people to repent their errors; therefore section 11 of this Bill proposes to remove these unnecessary restrictions. This is very necessary. Research and development are vital in preparation for 1992. State funds are not available to finance sufficient research and development, at least on the scale that we need it here. This section if approved will provide the means to get more private Irish money into research and development in Irish companies. Some of the money that is now going out, through the Irish Stock Exchange, to oil companies that are engaging in speculative developments in the South China Sea or off the Northern Coast of South America will be attracted back into similarly speculative research and development in Irish companies by the offer of a better tax deal for investment into research and development than is available for investment in offshore oil in those exotic locations. It is a pity that our Stock Exchange is most exciting and excited in dealing with the development potential of the continental shelf in such remote parts of the world. I would like, through this tax incentive, to create conditions in which our Stock Exchange might perhaps become excited about research and development leading to major products being produced by Irish industry.

The mandate of the Industrial Development Authority is also being radically altered in this Bill. The Minister for Industry and Commerce is being required in section 12 to report to the Dáil on the progressive reduction in the share of IDA aid being given to fixed assets and the commensurate increase in the share of the systems to marketing, research and development and the acquisition of product and process technology. This is already policy but it is simply being included in a statutory form to ensure that it is implemented in full. In one of the recent years there has been a lapse away from this trend and this would be exposed under this section.

The IDA is also being required by law in this Bill to work towards a replacement by private equity investment of State grants as the main source of extra finance for industrial expansion. The IDA will be specifically required to encourage small companies to take in outside equity and strengthen their boards of directors with outside expertise. This is vital. Too many companies fail because they do not take in outside capital and equity or if they do they take it in too late in the form of a director from Fóir Teoranta and funds from that source which was available until it was prematurely and unwisely stopped by the present Minister. There is a need to give the IDA a clear statutory direction to reduce the level of grants and increase the level of private equity right across industry, and that would be a very healthy development.

If a programme of modernisation of our economy is to work we must develop the Irish venture capital industry. At the moment this is unduly concentrated in Dublin. It has a heavy banking bias; many of the people involved are former bankers. It is cautious and, like all bankers, in Ireland at least, it is asset-oriented in its investment policy.

Section 13 proposes that the National Development Corporation be required to establish regional investment funds. Regional investment funds of this kind will bring venture capital closer to practical reality throughout Ireland and out of the office suites of Dublin 4 and Dublin 2.

I intervene to advise Deputy Bruton that five minutes now remain of the time available to him.

I will not use it all, Sir.

Preparation for 1992 requires a central thrust at Government level. Delays in individual Departments must be eliminated. The best way to do this is through a comprehensive economic development Bill like this amending a range of statutes. In this way much faster progress can be made than if we were to wait for individual measures to be produced. I invite the Government to use this Bill as a vehicle to get some of their own proposals, if they have them, out of the queue that they may at present be lying in in various Departments, and into law under the umbrella of preparation for 1992. A comprehensive Bill of this kind has not been introduced before. Such an approach would have its critics but if we were to stick only to things that have been done before we would certainly fail to meet the challenge of 1992. The traditional way of doing things in this House and in this country has left us, after 60 years of independence, with one of the lowest incomes per head and certainly the highest rate of emigration in Europe. So, old ways of doing things are not necessarily best.

I am afraid that now that the publicity campaign is over the debate about 1992 is lapsing into arguments about how and by whom the begging bowl can best be presented in Brussels. The truth is that EC aid is a minor matter by comparison with what we can do ourselves here in this country and in this House to prepare ourselves for 1992. That is what this Bill is about. It is not about a better way to get other people's money. It is about a better way to organise our own affairs so that we will, through our own initiative, be better able to prepare our economy for 1992. It is a huge challenge that this House should be seen to respond to in a comprehensive way. I hope that will be the way the Government will look at it and that they will use this Bill, and amend it if necessary, as a means of preparing our entire administrative machine for 1992.

I appreciate the Deputy's interest in the Single European market and share his concern to ensure that we prepare adequately for this development. The Government have long since made full arrangements to this end. A committee of Ministers and secretaries under the chairmanship of the Taoiseach has been established to deal with all matters relating to the completion of the internal market. We have also launched the national European campaign to make the community and especially the business sector more aware of events and to generate a greater sense of urgency about the changes that are inevitable. As part of the campaign booklets and leaflets of interest to both the general public and those with specialised interest in specific topics and policies have been published.

That was stage one in the awareness campaign on behalf of the Government. Indeed, I can assure the Deputies and the House that further measures to increase awareness of the issues involved are being planned. The European campaign was indeed an unqualified success and the business sector and any surveys done have shown that. Quite clearly it brought the whole topic into the forefront of the debate and brought the message home to every individual company here that they had a job to do. The Government had a job to do and it was up to the business and industrial sectors to get their own house in order. We created a partnership awareness between the two and spelled out who the person of 1992 was in each Government Department and each State agency to ensure that there is no need for people to be without information.

Many individuals and economic interest groups are responding very positively to this campaign. I acknowledge, however, that the response of others is not always as good as we would hope but that has been a common experience across Europe in relation to such campaigns. It is the resolve of Government to sustain a strong awareness, to keep the pressure on for changes where they are deemed to be necessary and to do whatever is required to facilitiate these changes. There is still a widespread perception that, somehow, integration is down the road, whereas the reality is that it is already happening. It is imperative, therefore, that we maintain a sense of urgency about the preparations.

This integration of the European market is a historic development that opens up new opportunities and great challenges for us. We will have direct and full access to a market of 320 million people. As a small open economy, we have to trade abroad to survive and to grow and we have to be able to withstand the winds of competition. We export more than two-thirds of our national output and three quarters of these exports go to the other member states of the Community. It follows, therefore, that any dismantling of barriers to trade within the Community should be to our advantage, provided we are ready to exploit such a development.

But the internal market is not simply about free trade. It will embrace every facet of economic activity and entail the freedom of goods, services, labour and capital to circulate without hindrance throughout the Community. For instance, it provides for mutual recognition of professional qualifications and, with our high standards of education and training, we should benefit from this. Similarly, it will open up tendering for public contracts, a development which should be to our advantage. Public contracts worth perhaps up to £300 billion a year will be open to Irish business. This aspect of the single market alone represents 15 per cent of GDP throughout the Community.

One of the more significant features of the opening up of the internal market will be the elimination of restrictions on capital movements. This means, in short, that all residents of the Community will be free to raise or invest funds in any member state or Community currency. We are committed to removing all controls by the end of 1992 but we have already taken a big step forward. Since 1 January there are no longer any restrictions on investment by Irish residents in medium and long-term foreign securities. There is no evidence so far that this relaxation has had any adverse effect for us. It is a lesson for the business community, however, that capital can be much more volatile than before and that it will tend to find a home elsewhere if we do not provide an attractive environment for investment here.

There is continuing debate about the likely overall impact of the integrated market on the Community. The Cecchini studies, sponsored by the European Commission, estimated the benefit of removing the trade barriers at between 4.25 per cent and 6.50 per cent of the Community's gross national product. This is big by any standards. I know that the findings of these studies have been challenged and there is a minority view that integration will not be of any benefit. Whatever the merits of different arguments, there is abundant evidence that the Community as a whole will stand to benefit substantially. The Cecchini studies also estimated that the completion of the single market could lead to an increase of five million jobs in the Communtiy and we must ensure that we get our share of this increase.

There is a clear acknowledgment that, in a unified market, the central and more prosperous areas of the Community are likely to benefit to a greater extent than other areas. There is a natural tendency for activity in any single marketplace to gravitate towards the centre. To compensate for this unevenness in growth potential, there has been a commitment from the beginning to a greater effort to counter regional imbalances. The objectives of economic and social cohesion are written into the Single European Act. Moreover, we have secured agreement from the Commission to establish a task force within the Commission to interact with our committee of Ministers and secretaries. This will put our relationships with the Community on a new footing and ensure speedy and effective co-ordination of national and Community policies.

The developments in relation to the Structural Funds to remedy the structural deficiencies in the market are of crucial importance to us. The European Council have agreed that the funds for the least developed regions, among which all of Ireland is included, will be doubled by 1992. In addition, there will be an increase in the rates of contribution from the funds to a maximum of 75 per cent. It is the Government's intention that these additional resources will be used to strengthen our ability to compete successfully in the completed internal market, to reduce unemployment and to raise per capita incomes towards average Community levels.

Our regional development plan, which is the basis for applications for assistance from the Structural Funds, is now nearing completion and it will be submitted to the European Commission before the deadline of 31 March. As the Taoiseach has already indicated, arrangements will be made to debate the plan in this House.

We have had consultations with the Commission as well as extensive local consultations in drawing up this plan. The agreed objectives of the plan are: to prepare the economy to compete successfully in the internal market when completed in 1992; to stimulate the economic growth needed to reduce unemployment and to raise per capita incomes towards average Community levels; to improve further the state of the public finances and to complement economic growth with a greater social dimension in our society.

In seeking to achieve these objectives, two types of programmes will be implemented. The first type will be directed at improving our competitiveness by reducing the costs imposed by our peripheral location and inadequate infrastructure. This will involve, for example, improving our road and transportation network and providing adequate port and airport facilities.

The second type of programme will be directed at developing the productive capacity of the economy. This will be done, for example, through assisting industrial development, including expanding the marketing and technological capacity of industry, the development of tourism, forestry, agriculture, rural development and the development of human skills through training and work experience schemes.

I can assure the Deputy that what he mentioned in relation to his good intentions as expressed in the Finance Bill, 1986, will certainly be looked at very closely before I introduce this year's Finance Bill. If the incentives provided in that Bill for research and development have not been used, quite clearly there is something seriously wrong because Ireland normally responds to incentive. I am a strong believer in incentive.

I would now like to turn to the details of the Bill tabled by Deputy Bruton. As I said earlier, I appreciate and share his concern about the impact of the single market and the need to prepare adequately for it. I am not at all clear however as to what order of priorities he is attempting to follow in this Bill. He has chosen a miscellaneous list of development issues ranging from the leasing of agricultural land to planning procedures and restrictive practices. From listening to this introduction I can say quite honestly that he has posed many questions but that some of the answers are missing. For example, when talking about having a SFADCo type operation in every region of the country, has he asked himself if that means the dismantling of the IDA or is that what he is proposing?

I will answer that.

That is a question that has to be addressed. There is no point in saying something and not going into the repercussions of it. Is the Deputy looking back towards what Buchanan once devised for this country which, I suppose, one could in simple terms describe as a new authority at every crossroads? I do not think this country could sustain something like that and it would not be in its best interests. We are a small economy of 3.2 million people and we do not want to choke ourselves with more and more bureaucracy. I think the Deputy is a little like myself in that he believes that those who govern best govern least. The less bureaucracy we have the better. However, there will be plenty of opportunity over the next two weeks for us to elicit answers to some of the questions the Deputy has posed.

The explanatory memorandum states that the Bill is designed as an integrated set of legislative measures to prepare the economy for the Single European Act. I must admit that I cannot see an integrated structure and I do not mean any disrespect to the Deputy's intentions when I describe the Bill as a hotchpotch of individual proposals, or could I say Johnny's Jolly mixture.

I hope it makes the Minister happy. If it does, that is fine. The Minister's budget is also a mixture of measures. There is nothing wrong with mixing a variety of measures.

No, not if you have the right mix and in the right order. If there are other ways of bringing in measures, I do not think the Deputy would deny us the opportunity of doing so in the way we think best.

In due course I hope to deny the Minister that opportunity.

If the Deputy is serious about that, then the type of debate engaged in by political parties throughout the length and breadth of the country over the past few weeks would not have endeared them to the public nor enticed them to give them a chance to come back and perform the task expected of them.

I do not intend going through the Bill line by line. As the House will appreciate, my other ministerial colleagues will be responding to the aspects affecting their Departments. However, I shall make a few observations to put the various aspects in proper context. My colleague, the Minister for Education, will speak later in the debate on the education provisions of this Bill. She will be making a statement of the Government's intentions for adaptations to the education system to prepare us for 1992.

I merely wish to make three points at this stage. First, the emphasis in the Bill on school/industry links and on continental language teaching is welcome. However, I do not consider that the present Bill is the best, or indeed an adequate, framework in which to promote these two objectives. Second, the Minister for Education is at present finalising new legislation in relation to the affairs of VECs and RTCs generally. To the extent that legislative action of the type that this Bill proposes may be necessary, the appropriate place to take such legislative powers is in the forthcoming legislation. Third, it is the Government's intention to address the issues referred to by the Deputy in relation to the Higher Education Authority Act as part of an overall review of the third level sector. For this reason, we set up an interdepartmental committee last year to consider the development of third level education. That committee will be reporting shortly. It would be premature to consider changes in legislation until that report is available. However, I would be in agreement with Deputy John Bruton when he spoke about the makeup of the Higher Education Authority, contending that there is room for people in the business and economic world to get the right mix in promoting the best emanating from third level education.

At present there is not one single businessman on the Higher Education Authority.

So I believe. However, the Deputy has a supporter and I will be pushing in that direction.

Under section 6 of the Central Bank Act, 1942, the general function and duty of the Central Bank is to protect the integrity of the currency and, in relation to the control of credit, to secure the welfare of the people as a whole. I do not see that the provision which the Deputy wishes to include will add anything to the content of the existing requirements. On the contrary, it would be unwise to isolate one objective in particular as this might mean that it should be pursued in priority to, or to the exclusion of, all others. The aims of monetary policy in general, such as stable interest rates, exchange rates and prices, contribute to the realisation of economic development and job creation. We have seen a practical demonstration in the last two years of how sound financial policies can promote economic welfare.

The Bill also proposes to empower the Central Bank to undertake studies and consultations in regard to the co-operation of banks with the State industrial development authorities. I am not sure if the wording of the proposed addition to section 8 of the 1942 Act would achieve what seems to be the intention. I am not convinced that we need to proceed in this manner. The bank is the monetary authority, not an industrial development body, although the bank plays its part in co-operating with the industrial development agencies. The involvement of the Bank in the certification of firms wishing to set up in the International Financial Services Centre is an example of this cooperation. For my part, I believe that direct requests and invitations by the Government to the banks can achieve results, as was demonstrated recently by the response of the banks to my initiative in relation to bank loans for young entrepreneurs.

This type of initiative should have been taken long ago because one of the greatest drawbacks to young people trying to establish businesses has been the security or collateral requirement. Heretofore lending by the banks has tended to be wholly security-orientated. I want to pay tribute to the banks for having responded to this initiative. It is most important that young people have not to provide security, that their firms have not to put their names on the line in that respect but rather that they have access to non-recourse lending which is what this is all about.

Sections 3 to 5 of the Bill propose amendments to the planning laws and section 8 proposes to amend existing legislation to provide for the establishment of the national roads authority by regulation. My colleague, the Minister for the Environment, will be dealing with these matters in some detail later in this debate so I will only refer to them briefly.

In relation to planning legislation, I am sure the House will agree that this whole area is one which should be discussed in another context. The link with the single European market is somewhat tenuous. Whatever about the merits of the case for speeding up the planning process — and there is merit in its discussion — this should be approached carefully as this is a very sensitive area which requires full and proper consideration in its own right and should not be dealt with as a minor item in an omnibus Bill such as the one before us today.

The Government have already announced that legislation will be introduced in relation to the national roads authority. This is already in course of preparation. This legislation will be extremely important and it will have to be fully debated by the Oireachtas on its own merits. The legislation will have to ensure that the national roads authority, local authorities and the Government will work together as a partnership which will plan and implement the roads capital programme in a way which will maximise the benefit to road users, taxpayers and the economy generally. The Deputy is seeking statutory backing for the national roads authority in his Bill. I should say that that provision is in preparation by the Government.

I note that the provisions of the Bill incorporate a number of tax incentive schemes or, rather, the extention of existing schemes. There is a proposal for tax relief on interest paid by an individual on a loan raised to buy shares in a business expansion scheme company. The ceiling on tax relief that may be granted to farmers who let their land under a long-term lease would be increased. There is also a proposal to modify certain restrictions on tax relief for investment in research and development. First, the appropriate vehicle for tax changes is the Finance Bill when there will be a full and lengthy debate on taxation policies. As to the specific proposals before us here, I could not accept that they would make a useful contribution to our preparations for 1992. The schemes in question are already very generous and the tax concessions are substantial.

Let me sound a note of caution as to the multiplicity of tax incentive schemes. All sides of this House are advocating tax reform and, while we may have different opinions about the specific conditions for reform, there seems to be general acceptance that widening the tax base is an essential requirement. Reliefs and incentives have the opposite effect: they fragment even more a tax base which is already very fragmented by the large number of existing reliefs and incentives. Clear benefits, especially in terms of additional jobs, must be seen before still further incentives, or improvements of existing ones, can be considered. I cannot accept that the proposals now before us meet this criterion. We have a duty to the general taxpayer to ensure that incentives are not excessive and that they pay their way in terms of increased economic activity.

The Bill contains a number of provisions which require that progress reports be made to the Oireachtas. For instance, section 7 requires the Government to report every three months to each House of the Oireachtas and to a joint committee thereof on preparations for the creation of the single European market. Section 12 also imposes reporting requirements in relation to industrial development. I would like to think that the Oireachtas will keep a very close eye on preparations for the single European market. We already have various arrangements whereby we can debate this issue regularly in this House. I have no doubt that we will do so but surely there is no necessity to enshrine this as a requirement in legislation. Again I would make the point that statutory provisions could have a decidedly negative effect by removing flexibility.

My colleague, the Minister of State at the Department of Industry and Commerce, will be replying in detail to sections 12, 13 and 14 of the Bill. In the meantime, I will make some brief comments on these sections.

Section 12 proposes, inter alia, that targets be set for industrial performance by the year 2000. I can see merits of targets in certian situations but I cannot see any value in taking figures, as it were, out of the air and planting them in legislation. Section 12 of the Bill proposes to amend section 6 of the Industrial Development Act, 1986. As the Minister in whose name the majority of State shares in commercial companies are held, the suggestion that shares in some State companies might be sold in order to fund investment in others, or that consideration of this option be enshrined in legislation, strikes me as being both simplistic and inappropriate. The problems of the commercial State sector, where they exist, as well as its future development deserve and require consideration in a far wider context than that implied in this proposal. Throwing scarce Exchequer funds at such problems, whether the money is raised from taxation, by borrowing or by asset sales, is no panacea. I can assure the Deputy that we need no legal compulsion to carry out our responsibilities in this area.

Furthermore, I could not accept that the Government should have a prior constraint imposed in the manner in which they might employ receipts which accrue to the Exchequer from any source, including the sale of State shares. There may be other, more pressing requirements, which could impact to a far greater extent on the economy generally — for instance reducing the national debt. I recall that when Deputy Bruton spoke on this subject some years ago he did not rule out this possibility.

As regards section 13 which proposes to provide for the establishment of regional investment funds by the National Development Corporation, I am inclined to the view that the nature and scale of the National Development Corporation's activities are not such as to require on a statutory basis a regional breakdown of its investment activities.

Section 14 of the Bill attempts to import Articles 85 and 86 of the Treaty of Rome into Irish legislation without the benefit of a proper study of what that might mean. These are the Articles which contain provisions to counter the restriction or distortion of competition within the Common Market. The Fair Trade Commission have been studying the subject for over a year as the Deputy referred to and they will report this year and an opportunity will be given for debate on that report. It is only after the report and debate that a well informed decision can be taken on whether Articles 85 and 86 should be the basis for our competition law.

In summing up, therefore, I must reject the Bill which has been put forward by Deputy Bruton. Some of the individual items may have some merit and may be appropriate for discussion in a different context, but I see no merit in gathering together a rag-bag of propositions touching on various aspects of the economy on the pretence that this will enhance our preparations for the single European market. I want to see greater interest in these preparations and I want more dialogue about the impact of this great development at all levels.

As a consequence of the Government's management of our economic and financial affairs over the past two years, we are now much better placed than before to face the new challange. There is a growing confidence in the economy and we are already recouping some benefits from this. The inflation rate is at its lowest level for more than 20 years and we are regaining a strong competitive position. There has been quite a dramatic improvement in our public finances and there is hope again that we can after all succeed. Exchequer borrowing will be down to a projected figure of 5.3 per cent of gross national product this year compared with an outturn of 13 per cent in 1986. This goes beyond the most optimistic expectations of two years ago. We have a surplus position in the balance of payment, there has been a big fall in interest rates in the past two years and there are big inflows of investment from abroad. These are the real fundamentals; these are the conditions that we need to sustain to take the best advantage of the new opportunities that the single market will provide.

Our greatest priority is employment. The prospects for employment can only improve when we have the right economic conditions, as the Deputy has said on so many occasions in the past Already there are encouraging signs in relation to employment and I am very confident that, as we continue this good management of the economy, there will be a steady improvement in the employment situation which, regretfully, is always the last link in the chain of economic recovery.

At the outset may I say, as the Minister has pointed out, that the Bill ranges over a large number of Departments. Because it tries to cover such a huge range, it probably lacks the detail necessary to give real effect to many of its aspirations. For example, the Bill seeks to amend the Vocational Education Act and it desires that at least two continental languages be taught at primary level. The Bill also requires that the National Roads Authority be established on a statutory basis. I am not saying that these two items of themselves are not of great importance but it is difficult to relate them to each other under one Bill. It blurs the focus of what the Bill is trying to do.

I take Deputy Bruton's point on board that just because it has not been done in the past we should not do it now. I think legislation should be focused on a specific area. However this Bill does not focus on a specific area and the range of issues covered is too broad. I have often complained in the past about legislation introduced by various Departments which greatly impinges on other areas but which in its drafting and import does not seem to bear a relationship to things occurring simultaneously in other areas. It often leads to conflict or a contradiction either because of a lack of understanding between the Departments or tunnel vision that legislation must specifically deal with one issue and cannot of itself be relevant to other areas. That should not continue to be the norm, but perhaps the Bill before us this evening goes too far and tries to cover just about everything that he could conceivably cover in one Bill.

There are many aspects of the Bill which have a great deal of merit and one should not take away from that. However, because of the lack of detail, some of the issues covered in the Bill pose more questions rather than give answers. While there may be issues in the Bill which are incompatible and notwithstanding the lack of focus in the Bill, the Progressive Democrats support many of the sentiments and aspirations of the Bill, which is worthy of support on that basis alone.

For many years I have stated that a reasonable percentage of the population will never be proficient in continental languages until such time as they are taught in primary schools. It is a very hollow claim to suggest that we are interested in teaching continental languages because they are on the secondary school curriculum. The evidence of this type of rigid structure in our education system is plain to see. It is a fact that no worthwhile percentage of students leaving schools are proficient in continental languages. The question of teaching continental languages in primary schools poses difficult questions for other subjects on the curriculum. This probably accounts for the fact that this question has not been faced up to over the past number of years. The reality is that we have to do something immediately about continental languages. As I have said, we will never be able to say we are serious about teaching continental languages unless we begin teaching them in primary school.

We have often heard explanations why the Germans, Danes and French seem to be proficient in at least English, if not a third language, and there is a basic reason for that. It is a well known fact that the younger the child, the more open he is to absorbing the various nuances of a foreign language and to speaking it. No one is suggesting that a child could become technically proficient or grammatically correct in speaking a lang uage, but that is the nub of the problem in this country. There are some people in Ireland who understand grammer and can write an essay in a foreign language, but ask them to discuss any subject with a foreign nationalist in their language and they will find it impossible to do so.

There is no point pretending that because of 1992, the integration of the single market and the real opportunities that will open up, that by talking about the problem people will suddenly become proficient in speaking continental languages. What is laid out in the Bill — although it may not be the most appropriate way to deal with it — is of huge importance in the field of education. If we are to introduce the teaching of two foreign languages at primary level, it raises the question of teaching Irish in primary schools.

Because of the range of services available and the number of subjects to be taught, and if we were to start teaching languages at the age of six or seven, it would be ludicrous to suggest that one could learn four languages along with all the other subjects. There are obvious stumbling blocks in this area but the issue must be faced. Until it is faced there will be no development in the teaching of languages in this country.

Further down the road, at third level education, we do not have a college of languages, for instance. In other countries there are specific third level institutes which are termed colleges of languages. They make students proficient in foreign languages. The students know the technicalities of the language, they can converse in the languages and they are capable of taking up a career in business in countries throughout Europe. The college of language does not simply deal with the language but with other areas relevant to helping somebody find a career that would require the use of continental languages. That is another aspect of where we are going in the development of continental languages that could be addressed under this heading of the teaching of foreign languages. If this problem is not addressed we will go nowhere. It is deplorable that a country with the youngest population in Europe which will in the years ahead provide much of the educated talent needed in the jobs market throughout Europe is not proficient in the teaching of languages. It is essential that the Department of Education introduce with the utmost urgency a provision to teach at least two continental languages at primary school level.

I am uncertain as to what section 2 of the Bill dealing with the Central Bank intends to achieve. Does it mean that banks and credit institutions can be forced to implement certain types of packages at special low interest rates to companies which State agencies believe are worthy of investment?

It does not.

If that was the case it would be virtually impossible to give practical effect to this under this Bill. I accept that the banking system has to date been very much concerned with securing, in an over demanding way, the loans they are prepared to issue to the extent that it is virtually impossible for some small companies to be up and running. The Minister in replying to Deputy Bruton said that in the last budget he had encouraged the banking system to make loans available at attractive rates which did not necessarily put this huge burden of interest onto a company trying to get off the ground and which did not demand the securities to satisfy the bank that the loan would be totally secured. We have to move more to an equity based system of lending. The system in operation is not sufficiently geared to the type of developments occurring in the context of the European economy at present.

I agree with Deputy Bruton about how we as individuals spend our finances. We do not tend to save money or invest it in a number of ways in productive areas which could create employment. Surely there is an opportunity for the setting up of a national fund that could be subscribed to by ordinary people, a fund that would be controlled by experts who would look specifically at small companies in the start up phase and sift out those whom they thought were worth investing in, and invest in them. There would probably be a necessity for guarantees so that people would be encouraged to invest. At the moment there is a great waste of private funds in that there is no real encouragement for people to invest in areas geared to encourage employment. As the Germans say, in Germany they rent their houses and buy their televisions but in Ireland they rent their televisions and buy their houses. There seems to be something cockeyed with that sort of development, although as a home owner with a large mortgage, I would rather own my own home. The point I am trying to get across is that we need to encourage individuals to make funds available for productive employment. That resource has not yet been tapped and until it is we will lose out on a great opportunity.

The Bill attempts to deal in a small way with local Government and does not do justice to the range of issues that need a large and detailed Bill in their own right. Local Government at the moment is very much out of date and needs to be reconstituted and given much more substantial powers than it has at present. Over the last decade local Government has shifted to a manager based system which is in the control of the bureaucracy of the State apparatus, where the local representatives have very little say. One of the major factors causing this was lack of control in relation to raising finances and then a lack of control as to how finances should be spent in the regional areas. This Bill touches in a small way on local Government but this Government need to bring forward a Bill which would require major reform of local Government, how local Government is constituted and how much power it should have to develop its own structures. We tend to be over centralised in this area and the entrepreneurial flares at local level are totally stagnated. There are many good people at local level and they are stagnating. They cannot develop in conjunction with the local representatives a dynamic entity for the development of their own areas. This problem must be seriously addressed. With the Structural and Regional Funds potentially available to us it is a great shame the way this question is being dealt with at the moment. City managers, county managers and local people involved in the community have no idea about what is going on or about how funds are to be distributed. Indeed, the projects they would like to see developed in their own areas are not getting the type of airing that they, as the people responsible, would like to see. Ultimately the people will have to answer in their own areas as to why certain developments have not taken place. I do not understand why the Government, in this general area, have to be so secretive about the national plan, local plans or regional plans. This secrecy is baffling a huge range of people at local level.

The question of how local government is to develop has to be addressed legislatively. Until such time as it is, it will continue to stagnate and a great opportunity for regional dynamic forces to develop will be lost.

The educational system in many ways is too divorced from the requirements of the job market. There have been moves in recent years to gear some aspects of third level education directly towards requirements in the area of employment. Many of the regional technical colleges such as the one in Waterford in my own constituency which now has over 2,300 students and is the largest technical college in the country, have been gearing a number of their courses to where there is a shortfall of skills in the market place. However, a fundamental review of the Higher Education Authority is necessary so that future developments in education are directly linked, where possible, to developments in the industrial market. This type of planning would have the effect of reducing the number of students undertaking courses where there is no possibility whatsoever of gaining employment in this country and redirecting them into areas where there is a demand for their skills in the market place. This proposition is beginning to dawn on the Government; the clear need for proper planning in this area is becoming more evident every day. A Bill or legislation being introduced in the education area should take account of legislation being introduced in the industrial area at the same time because there are areas where there is overlapping, where there could be a joint approach, where things being done in both areas could be going in the same direction to achieve the same end. That is, perhaps, what Deputy Bruton's Bill is highlighting here tonight; the need to stop legislation simply emanating from a Department on its own without due cognisance being taken of what may be happening in other Departments.

There is a great opportunity to develop skills in conjunction with the third level education institutes. This ranges across regional colleges and even into universities. Because of the large numbers emigrating it behoves us to gear the education facilities and the courses as much as possible to what is happening in the education area. We have all been talking about the developments in technology and the developments which are taking place here and yet we do not have any specific area of any university or any regional technical college beginning to seriously develop linkages with companies who are developing in technology and who could utilise research and development facilities and, indeed, who would invest in them if they were available in conjunction with third level institutes. There is an attempt to do this in the pharmaceutical area and I hope it will be a forerunner of how people in third level education can work in conjunction with industry to develop.

Research and development is, by its nature, a very expensive and costly business. It is a myth to suggest that suddenly Irish companies, particularly small companies, can start investing huge sums of money in research and development. It is also a fact that research and development in, for instance, the United States, is an extremely expensive business. There may well be opportunities for many of those companies not to locate their total research and development in this country but, indeed, only elements of what they may be doing in that respect. That would benefit the advancement of third level education but it would also benefit us to the extent that as a result of these programmes of research and development, students who qualify would then have employment opportunities here instead of having to go abroad to work and leaving this country at the loss of the huge cost of their education and their potential as business people. There are opportunities for us to take that road now. We must not delay and then find ourselves suddenly in 1992.

The national roads authority should be established on a statutory basis. The development of the basic infrastructure is essential to minimise the disadvantages of this being the only country which will not have a land link into Europe. I am heartened that it is now emerging that we are not necessarily at the disadvantage in distribution costs to mainland Europe that we might have thought we were by reason of being an island off mainland Europe. It is now beginning to emerge that with a proper road network in Ireland and, indeed, a proper rail network we could be in a position costwise to land goods in mainland Europe as cheaply as goods that will be transported across the mainland of the UK and through the channel tunnel. If that is the case and if it can be achieved with the type of powers the national roads authority should have, it is something that all businesses in Ireland would welcome. This also begs the question as to what we are to do with our rail network. It is ridiculous for a country of our size that the whole area of public transport, that is, the bus sector and the railway network should all be in the control of the State. It is too great a burden for the State to bear and there is no need for it to do so.

I referred earlier to the bus sector. I believe that the railways must remain within the control of the State. Railway development, if there is to be development, should be looked at from the point of view of how we transport goods throughout this country and how we move goods out of the country in the most efficient manner. I am not saying it should totally abandon its role in the transportation of people but it should concentrate on how goods are transported to ports to be shipped out of the country. That is an area which the Government should look at. If they do so, as mentioned in this Bill, the whole question of privatisation and the sale of shares, some, if not all, in commercial semi-State bodies must be looked at by the Government. I do not understand why this Government continually ignore this issue. The Government are, in some way, hostages to the concept that you can never sell a semi-State company because it somehow weakens the Fianna Fáil view of nationalism or whatever they aspire to. This is obviously a load of rubbish and is seriously hampering development within our economy. Why can they not sell off State assets, products or companies which have reached their full potential within the domain of State control and have this money to invest in new projects? I am not against the State being involved in public enterprises. The Progressive Democrats are not against such involvement despite what certain people are trying to put across. I would like to see a rolling plan of development in which the State could be involved, on a continual basis, in developing companies to their full potential, selling them off, realising a profit in the market place and reinvesting that money in other ventures. That could be of great benefit to us.

Debate adjourned.
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