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Thursday, 28 Oct 1993

Vol. 435 No. 2

Confidence in Government: Motion.

I move:

That Dáil Éireann reaffirms its confidence in the Government.

Ireland has secured the best and biggest deal of EC Funds we ever got. Ireland has secured more money per head of population than any other member state. The people of Ireland know well that we now have the single best opportunity we have ever had. Does this amount to getting it wrong? Is this a lamentable and shameful performance by the Government? Is a minimum of £7,200 million and the opportunity to draw down up to £7.84 billion by 1999 to be written off as a national setback? Only the night before last, President Delors stated: "I am fully confident that Ireland will be able to fulfil its plan". He also referred to the quality of the projects and the past performance of the country and conveyed his confidence that Ireland will be able to get additional assistance over and above the indicative allocation decided last week by the Commission over the next six years. If achieving such a magnificent deal for Ireland is the only serious criticism of me and my Government colleagues by the Opposition, then we will gladly wear such criticisms as a badge of honour and distinction.

(Interruptions.)

I regard such criticism as a compliment.

(Interruptions.)

The Irish people know only too well that this kind of begrudgery represents the worst form of self-flagellation when we should be united behind our own position.

(Interruptions.)

Let us have an orderly debate.

Success in achieving something for this country obviously does not suit some political parties or their agendas.

The Taoiseach should have submitted this for the Booker Prize.

When I witness all the Opposition parties united, spewing out false and unfounded allegations, I find myself more convinced than ever that this Government is on the right track. I have a sneaking suspicion from sitting here for several months past that there is a number of notables across the Chamber who believe they have a monopoly on truth, integrity and political correctness. To these people I say: "You have no such monopoly".

(Interruptions.)

Interruptions of this kind are very unwelcome, if not disorderly.

The speech is very provocative.

I continue to regard the securing of an unprecedented amount of EC funds to back Ireland's £20 billion National Development Plan up to 1999 as an outstanding political achievement, of which I and my colleagues are justly proud. We will continue to strive for the very maximum amount of EC support, which on past experience we have the capacity to do very successfully.

Let us look at all the figures, and the facts surrounding these figures, not other people's interpretation of them, the context in which they emerged and the legal basis for them. The original £6 billion before the Maastricht referendum was not made up, dreamt up or puffed up by me. It was first mentioned by President Delors as a very feasible Irish target from the new Structural Funds. It was adopted by me during the referendum campaign and the election campaign. Should I have gone for anything less? Had I emerged from Edinburgh declaring a £6 billion result, I would have been a winner, but Ireland would have lost.

Would you have got Deputy Spring?

Please listen. We will not interrupt you.

Contrary to the general supposition, the £8 billion figure referred to after Edinburgh was not based on the automatic retention of a full 13.5 per cent share of the new funds, which would have amounted to significantly more. It was accepted by everybody, both in Brussels and Edinburgh, that Ireland would have grave difficulty in retaining the 13.5 per cent share of the new funds and I never claimed otherwise. The £8 billion figure represented what seemed a just and equitable figure, based on new criteria agreed in the Edinburgh conclusions and on conversations with Commission President Jacques Delors and senior EC officials, and represented the distilled wisdom of the Irish delegation. The conclusions said that full account should be taken, as now, of national prosperity, regional prosperity, population of the regions and the relative severity of structural problems. At my suggestion the level of unemployment and the needs of rural development were also to be taken into account, so the £8 billion had a clear basis for its make-up. Again, contrary to general supposition, the Spanish did not get anything specific in writing about allocations of funds beyond general principles.

Subsequently, we submitted our backup case for the £8 billion figure to the EC Commission, basing it on the criteria laid down in the Edinburgh conclusions and in the framework regulations for the calculation of the allocation. Allocations per head of population is only one factor in such calculations. Our case has never been rebutted on an item by item basis to this very day. Of course, we had in reserve a power of veto underpinning our negotiating position, to protect our national interests and to ensure a fair deal for Ireland. We pursued at all times a well thought out strategy. The veto on the framework regulation was removed only on 20 July, when the Tánaiste reached an agreement with President Jacques Delors on a figure that amounted to £7.84 billion. The veto would not have been removed if the Tánaiste had not been satisfied that a clear agreement had been reached. With regard to the figure of £8.7 billion mentioned by me on 20 July as a likely draw-down figure, the fact is that it was made up as follows — £7.84 billion index-linked to 1999 calculated at a very conservatively low inflation figure of 2 per cent per annum for the EC, equals £8.7 billion. I hope it is clear to this House what the origin and basis for the various figures were. There was never any question of deceit or trying to mislead anyone.

It only changes when the Taoiseach is speaking.

I know the truth hurts.

(Interruptions.)

Members will have ample opportunity to express their views in this debate. In the meantime the Taoiseach must be allowed to make his speech.

As for the demand that all Council deals be put immediately in writing, that is no guarantee either. The Fine Gael Party will no doubt remember the written guarantees on milk output they received in 1984 at the time of the introduction of the superlevy and how the pledges about extra output were broken within a couple of years.

By Mr. Ray MacSharry.

On any calculation the present figure of up to £7.84 billion is by far the largest sum of EC funds ever negotiated for Ireland. Between 1973 and 1986 receipts from EC Regional, Social and Agricultural Guidance Funds and one or two other small infrastructure funds amounted to a modest £1.8 billion pounds. Between 1987 and 1999, a similar period of time, we will have received well over £10 billion. By any standard of comparison with other disadvantaged countries, we have done extremely well.

The Fine Gael Party in Government was able to negotiate fine words in communiqués about convergence. That was pretty well all they were able to negotiate. Deputy Bruton talks about large theoretical sums he claims we should have been able to obtain which have no political reality, as he well knows. Perhaps he can tell us what was the largest sum he ever negotiated from the EC. I have often heard him say that there should be some automatic transfer system in a Federal Europe with a far higher budget. How successful has he been in negotiating acceptance of this principle among his German Christian Democrat colleagues? What impression have his arguments made on Chancellor Kohl, for instance, when I know Mr. Kohl thinks the very opposite? The only noises I hear coming from German Christian Democrats is a proposal to cut small countries out of the European Commission and the Presidency. Does that demonstrate the extent of Deputy Bruton's influence with his powerful EC allies? Back in 1988-89 we successfully negotiated for Ireland the first doubling of Structural Funds on foot of the Single European Act. Exactly the same controversies arose in 1989 as have arisen at this time. Similar political charges of incompetence, ineptitude and deceit were made by many of the same people. Yet it is recognised universally now that we did outstandingly well, that our development plan was excellent and has made a real impact.

We have 300,000 people unemployed.

Deputy Allen should desist from any further interruption.

We know the Deputy is getting ready for Europe but he should listen to the facts before he goes.

Our development plan has helped to increase our per capita income as compared to the EC average from 60 per cent of GDP in 1986 to 73 per cent today. We are regarded in Europe as very good performers. At that time, as Minister for Finance, I oversaw the drawing up of a £9.7 billion plan and led the Irish negotiating team on the allocation of funds. We initially assumed an EC allocation of £3.35 billion towards the plan, but we only obtained a guarantee of close to £2.86 billion.

Deputy Michael Noonan, from whom we have heard much on this subject during the past few days, made exaggerated assertions then about a shortfall of £700 million and claimed that £1 billion worth of projects would have to be dropped. Those statements in 1989 have a familiar ring to them today. We heard Deputy Noonan on "Morning Ireland" two days ago repeat the same story. In the end we obtained over £3.4 billion, over £600 million more than we had been guaranteed. Can anyone seriously claim today that that plan was anything other than a clear success? That has been confirmed by the EC and by other independent experts.

Ask the 300,000 unemployed.

The ESRI in its retrospective study has stated that the 1989-93 CSF was broadly successful. It represented a good real rate of return of between 7 per cent and 8 per cent on the investment. It is likely to make a significant lasting difference to living standards in Ireland up to and including the year 2000.

What about the dole queue?

What had Deputy Bruton to say about that plan in 1989? I quote from the Official Report Vol. 388, No. 5, columns 1704-5:

This document would not pass even the most basic test of an investment programme in a commercial business.

Nor did it.

No country bank manager would give out money on the basis of a plan such as this.

Columns 1704 and 1705 in volume 388 of the Official Report make very good reading today.

And they have been proven to be true.

Deputy Bruton also complained that it was based on a mistaken belief in the virtues of capital investment and that it did not deal with taxation or social welfare. What have we heard from Deputy Bruton and others over the past few weeks and what are we likely to hear again in this debate today?

Exactly the same.

Exactly the same, the long playing record that never changes.

Because the Taoiseach does not listen.

We would all accept that this is one time when Members opposite are singing from the one hymn sheet.

Deputy De Rossa at that time claimed that the plan failed at almost every hurdle. The then Progressive Democrat Leader, Deputy O'Malley, while still in Opposition, spoke about his fears of a waste of funds. Yet it is quite clear with the benefit of hindsight that the opportunity was not wasted, that the plan did not fail and that Ireland got a very good return. The parties opposite got it completely wrong the last time. I am equally certain that they have got it wrong today.

Another parallel with 1989 is that people told us that our hard bargaining tactics had seriously damaged our relations with the EC Commission. There were the usual pompous commentaries about mishandled negotiations, misreading the situation in Brussels——

The oratory of the man. Will Cicero come among us?

Doubtless, Deputy Dukes will have an opportunity of contributing to this debate. In the meantime he should contain himself in quietude.

——and no doubt a version of Deputy Harney's charge that Ireland was making a laughing stock of itself in Europe. That sort of cliché is typical of a national inferiority complex in some quarters, as if other nations did not have plenty of problems of their own to worry about and as if they too did not have to fight their corner from time to time.

There is no goodwill or friendship available from other member states when money is being allocated. Half the people in this House and some of the commentators outside do not seem to realise that EC negotiations at the best of times are very tough. The goodwill school of negotiations will only get you so far. If you want to be sure of offending no one, of never having to swallow a confident prediction, you must be prepared to settle for very much less.

Deputy Spring had to say that to the Taoiseach. Does he remember Deputy Spring?

In negotiations——

The Taoiseach had to swallow a lot.

If you start low you will finish low. To achieve the best results, you have to be prepared to give and take knocks in robust negotiations. I make no apologies for aiming high because I know we will finish high.

The Taoiseach had to swallow a lot of humble pie.

I challenge anyone to suggest that there was some different negotiating tactic open to us that would have achieved a better result. Who will defend out national interest in Europe? Will some other government do it if we do not? Are we less European for doing it? It is our national duty and responsibility and we earn respect for doing it.

I, the Tánaiste and Minister for Foreign Affairs, Deputy Dick Spring, the Minister for Finance, Deputy Bertie Ahern, and the Minister of State at his Department, Deputy Eithne Fitzgerald, have throughout all the negotiations——

Where is she?

——been motivated by one consideration only, how to get the best result for Ireland, given our huge unemployment problem and our pressing social and infrastructural needs.

I do not propose to enter into any recriminations with the Commission at this stage, nor will I be drawn into expressions of personal hostility or personality clashes arising out of frank negotiations. President Delors has been a very good and loyal friend of Ireland over the years, and he showed by his statement the night before last his intention to do the best for us despite the many demands.

What is he saying about the Taoiseach?

In spite of some recent setbacks he has been an outstanding Commission President. He will go down in history as one of the great European leaders of the 20th century——

With yourself.

——a man of tremendous vision, determination and achievement. I would not wish any disagreement to cloud the fact that we and other Europeans are deeply in his debt.

Commissioner Millan has been a tough negotiator, with whom we have had some differences over the years, but for whom we also have respect.

That is for sure.

The Tánaiste negotiated with him on 19 July albeit unsuccessfully, until President Delors, on behalf of the Commission, took over from him on that night. Unfortunately, Commissioner Millan's position was coloured by his original strongly held view that Ireland should get only about £5.5 billion.

He is good at the sums.

Nevertheless, we look forward to working in close co-operation with him in the implementation of the plan and the formulation of many of the operational programmes. I welcome in particular his initiative to try to ensure that unspent moneys are returned to the Commission as part of the regime for this round of Structural Funds. The review after two years will be an important opportunity for us to demonstrate that we are able to use available EC funds to best effect. It has been alleged, as if it were some remarkable revelation, that I was told by the Tánaiste of difficulties in securing the promised level of EC funds in early October. We are, after all, engaged in partnership Government.

Engaged, that is right.

Even Deputy Spring is laughing.

(Interruptions.)

Let us have order, please.

It was quite clear to the Tánaiste and me that we had an agreement on allocations.

(Interruptions.)

How long did it take to agree to it?

Deputy Dukes, please desist.

These difficulties must be one of the worst kept political secrets in recent times. We have had a constant battle over the past 12 months to secure the maximum share of EC funds against continuous noises designed to deter or discourage us from pursuing our just demands, to which we are entitled. We have refused to allow ourselves to be deflected. It is entirely appropriate that we put forward a plan that seeks the maximum level of EC funding. What chance would we have of securing additional funding over and above the guaranteed amount if we did not put forward projects that would be eligible for additional funding? I cannot understand the Opposition mania for insisting that we set our sights on the minimum available rather than the maximum.

I cannot but remark the studied indifference with which this plan, about which there is now such fuss, was first debated in the House two weeks ago, when there was not the slightest interest on the part of the Opposition in either the programmes or the projects.

How long did it take to agree to make the time available for this debate?

Deputy Dukes, please desist.

Criticism centred on what the plan did not contain such as a tax and social welfare policy. It was only when some of the funding appeared to be called into question that crocodile tears were shed about all the projects alleged to be at risk.

Let me give a clear assurance that our £20 billion National Development Plan will go ahead in full, on the basis of operational programmes to be negotiated. Between EC and Exchequer funding and private investment we are quite confident that it can be implemented in full. We have the money, we have the plan and we will implement it.

And Taoiseach, you have a brass neck.

Did the Opposition ask their constituents what they thought when they called for the plan to be torn up and thrown in the waste paper basket? Does the Opposition want all the projects contained therein to be consigned to the waste paper basket? One of the very clear divides between the Government and the Opposition parties of the right is their lack of interest in investment as an essential part of employment policy. Like the new right in America and Britain, Fine Gael and the Progressive Democrats are quite prepared to see the infrastructure of the country rot——

What about Red Square last November?

Will the Taoiseach lead a left-wing Government?

——and the social services cut back in order to reduce tax on top earners and relieve employers of their social obligations.

The Taoiseach is taking himself so seriously that he is laughing.

A Cheann Comhairle, it would be a help if I had ciúnas.

I know they do not like what they hear but everybody has to listen.

It is like an audition for a Christmas pantomine.

(Interruptions.)

If this is to be the key note to the debate, it could be a very disorderly debate. We cannot proceed without order. Let us listen to the Member in possession, with respect and courtesy.

(Interruptions.)

An American economist, I believe, once called this "private affluence and public squalor".

Does the Taoiseach remember his name?

This is wasteful of precious time.

That is a good summary of the Taoiseach's speech.

I will claim the time that is being wasted. Fine Gael and the Progressive Democrats fail to see the contradiction between their policy of cutting employers' PRSI, charging the cost of welfare to the general taxpayer and at the same time claiming they want to lower tax. What a contradiction. Those sorts of policy contradictions are the real reason the Opposition is where it is and we are where we are in Government.

(Interruptions.)

Their billion pounds so-called excuse for not being in Government is a pure smoke-screen and alibi, for their own political incompetence.

Despite his best efforts and plenty of opportunity, Deputy Bruton was unable to put forward a coherent basis on which a Government could be formed.

The Taoiseach was able to pull it together.

Come to think of it, did he not count a great many chickens before they were hatched last November and December——

£640 million is missing.

——when he insisted, without consulting anybody, that his party was going to form a rainbow coalition and that he was going to be the next Taoiseach? There is much more to show today from the Edinburgh Summit than there is from Deputy Bruton's adamant assurances and posturings and the Irish people know that well.

Coherence and consistency are not particularly notable features of Fine Gael policy in modern times. I was struck when Deputy Bruton, who normally preaches competition, queried the £275 million to be spent on modernising the railways on the grounds that it duplicated road investment. As in the case of the tax amnesty, he had forgotten the Fine Gael policy document published a few years earlier. Incidentally, or perhaps coincidentally, the two contradictory documents were produced by none other than Deputy Yates, calling for a £400 million investment to be spent on the railways under the new plan.

(Interruptions.)

How is the amnesty going?

Most Fine Gael policies have a very short shelf life, announced today and gone tomorrow.

(Interruptions.)

In a very unmeasured speech a couple of weeks ago, Deputy Harney concluded, if I recall correctly, by claiming that the development plan was a national disaster.

Was it as unmeasured as Templemore?

If that is her view, no doubt she would be happy enough to see the funds for it diminished. I also recall her suggesting that the money might be better spent on paying off the national debt, which of course totally ignores how Europe operates and how funds can be drawn down.

Why is the Taoiseach not quoting his references?

I wonder, if they thought about it, if her constituents would welcome her wanting to sink into repayment of the national debt the EC funds earmarked for the Tallaght Hospital——

That has not been approved either. The National Plan is a national hoax.

(Interruptions.)

——the light rail to Tallaght, the national sports centre in Tallaght, the ring road around Tallaght, not to mention local development and employment schemes for the more deprived people of Tallaght.

(Interruptions.)

There has been much talk about fiascos costing the country. Someone in Deputy Bruton's position would be wiser to leave that sort of language alone. As Minister for Finance he caused the fall of the Government every time he tried to introduce an annual budget. He proposed to eliminate the current budget deficit in four years but ended up with the highest one on record, he presided over the Dublin Gas debacle which cost the taxpayer £100 million, and his solution to the ICI collapse cost the consumer and the taxpayer another £200 million. That man is not in a strong position to preach on the subject of political fiascos.

The Taoiseach should ask Deputy Spring what he remembers about that.

I also find it somewhat difficult to take criticism from people who consistently sold this country short by insisting on every possible occasion how little EC funding we were likely to receive at the end of the day. One day we are accused of putting out the begging bowl and the next day we are accused of not procuring enough. I am thinking of Deputy De Rossa who told us £6 billion would not materialise and accused us of bribing the electorate, of Deputy Cox who, on the eve of Edinburgh, declared we would get only £4.5 billion and of MEP John Cushnahan who on behalf of Fine Gael put our prospects on a number of occasions at between £5 billion and £6 billion.

For a five-year period.

Let us be honest about this. Many in Opposition apparently prefer Ireland to do badly so they can enjoy the luxury of criticising and berating the Government.

(Interruptions.)

The Taoiseach is still confusing the issue.

The people who once again airlifted themselves to the high moral ground are the very people who spare nobody and nothing in their pathetic pursuit of advancement.

Is the Taoiseach talking about those in Government with him?

I question the motivation — and indeed the patriotism — of people whose sole agenda is to mislead, misquote and misinform with the ultimate intention of denigrating others as publicly as possible.

Is the Taoiseach talking about himself?

He is talking about people such as the Deputy and what they stand for.

(Interruptions.)

The Taoiseach must be heard without interruption and I will insist on the same courtesy being given to every other Member.

We are trying to find out if the Taoiseach is talking about the Labour Party.

Deputy Dukes is ignoring the Chair, he is showing contempt for the Chair.

I see no reference to fourchettes.

(Interruptions.)

I would like to summarise for the House once again the positive impact the National Development Plan will have on Ireland. The availability of resources under EC Structural and Cohesion Funds represents a significant contribution to the Government's long term strategy of creating the conditions for higher sustainable growth in output and employment. That strategy is consistent with Ireland's commitment to progress towards Economic and Monetary Union under the Maastricht Treaty. The strategy builds on the course pursued successfully over the period of the first National Development Plan 1989-1993, involving fiscal correction, exchange rate stability, incomes moderation based on social consensus and application of available resources to the expansion of key economic sectors.

The most desirable combination of circumstances would be strong non-inflationary growth in our main external markets with domestic responses orientated towards maintaining competitiveness and achieving the highest sustainable growth in output and employment. This would maximise the long term benefits of the EC Structural and Cohesion Funds. However, given that we are unlikely to have a trouble-free external environment for the Irish economy, domestic action to enhance the long term gains to the economy from the funds must be accentuated

The positive effects of the EC Structural and Cohesion Funds on the Irish economy will emerge over two broad phases, the short to medium term, and the medium to long term. In the first instance, the transfer of resources impacts on demand, as investment is raised by the implementation of programmes under the plan. These give a valuable boost to output and employment, which is sustainable over the short to medium term.

The main impact of the funds over the longer term will be to raise and strengthen the competitiveness of the economy by improving conditions of supply. This will come as the structure of the economy is broadened and strengthened through major infrastructural projects and the upgrading of skills.

The allocation of substantial resources to extensive training and retraining schemes will address the central problem, the extremely high level of unemployment which is the principal source of exclusion. The ESF funded programmes will help overcome structural rigidities which inhibit the transition of some sections of the labour force from fulltime education to a first job and from long term unemployment back into the workforce.

While I believe this debate is totally unwarranted and motivated by frantic Opposition efforts to paint a major achievement as a total disaster, I welcome the opportunity to have this House affirm confidence in the Government. An immense amount of work has been done. The partnership is working extremely well and achieving results. We have outperformed most other economies during the current international recession. Employment has held up.

So too has unemployment.

The budget which is fully on target helped bring interest rates tumbling down since February to their lowest level for about 15 years.

Inspired by Minister Ahern.

Inflation is at its lowest level for 30 years.

So too is unemployment.

Investment confidence has fully recovered since the exchange rate crisis and we have won valuable new projects for Ireland.

What about jobs?

To what country is the Taoiseach referring?

Most of our farmers are enjoying another good year. Professor Sheehy estimated that the CAP reform package will pump £200 million into Irish agriculture this year and double that amount by 1995. Average farm income is now at a record high.

We have introduced a major programme of Dáil reform. We have made significant progress on the agenda of social and legal reform. We plan to introduce 32 pieces of legislation this session. A major effort is being made to tackle the country's social problems.

We have, by universal consent, one of the most comprehensive and ambitious programmes for Government to fulfil, which has given great hope to a great many people. People want to see that programme carried out in full, and there is every confidence in us that we will carry it out. It is quite clear that a majority of the electorate support the Government parties. We both intend to serve out a full term together, and to ensure that the Irish people get the full benefit from the innovative policy programme, of a dynamic Government, dedicated to change and determined to carry through that change, while enjoying the confidence of the people.

(Interruptions.)

My only comment on the Taoiseach's speech is that he started low and finished still lower. He did not sound like the sort of person even his most loyal backbencher would want to see representing this country overseas.

We are having this debate today because all three Opposition parties are united in the view that a Government led by Deputies Reynolds, Spring and Ahern is not good for the country. We did not come to this view because of the amount of money we are, or are not, getting from Brussels. By any standard we are getting a large sum.

The Opposition united to table this motion, because Deputies Reynolds, Spring and Ahern have made this country look foolish. Their incompetence has turned what should have been a matter of national celebration, into an occasion of international humiliation. This has happened because neither Deputies Reynolds, Spring nor Ahern has the seriousness that was amply demonstrated in the Taoiseach's speech today the application to detail, or the capacity to analyse problems as other see them, that are necessary for the successful conduct of Irish foreign relations.

In the speech written for Deputy Spring for the last confidence debate in this House, just a year ago, he said at column 2313 of the Official Report of 5 October 1992:

For three and a half years this country has needed grown-up, adult politics.

The fundamental charge against Deputy Spring, in his handling of the EC funds issue, is that he has not treated the Irish people as adults who could be told the truth without gloss or optimistic exaggeration. If these events had occurred a little over a year ago, one could easily imagine Deputy Spring, in his well practised role as the great accuser——

I interject to remind the Deputy that the Taoiseach and the Tánaiste ought to be referred to accordingly.

One could imagine the Tánaiste and Minister for Foreign Affairs rising to his feet.

(Interruptions.)

If these events had occurred a little over a year ago one could easily imagine the Tánaiste in his well practised role as the great accuser rising to his feet in this House to read a studied indictment, full of moral superiority and pre-scripted indignation. Now, in his first opportunity to do a real Government job he has made a complete mess of it.

In proposing a motion of no confidence in this Government I wish to place some facts on the record of this House. On 12 December, 1992 the Taoiseach, announced at a press conference in Edinburgh that this country was to receive £8 billion Irish pounds of EC Structural Funds over seven years. That is actually £8.6 billion in present devalued money. He said the money was "in the bag".

Those are not my words.

The Taoiseach had his chance.

He went on a few days later to tell the Dáil that he had "an agreement...that Ireland will obtain in excess of £8 billion over seven years". The Taoiseach made this claim despite the fact that he had no such agreement in writing and despite the fact that, had he bothered to read them, he would have seen that the written conclusions of the Edinburgh Summit made it clear that such a secret agreement was impossible. These written conclusions showed that not only had no allocations yet been made but also that when they were made they would be made by the full Commission and on the basis of "transparent procedures with objective criteria"— which were specified. I emphasise the words "objective" and "transparent". These words in the Edinburgh conclusions specifically ruled out the type of unwritten secret agreement the Taoiseach claimed he had with Mr. Delors. When the Taoiseach said that in Edinburgh he knew that was the case.

In the months following, the Commission, despite much pressure, refused to confirm the Taoiseach's claim. Notwithstanding the lack of any confirmation of the Taoiseach's claim, the Fianna Fáil and Labour Parties went ahead to agree a programme for Government specifically on the basis of the Taoiseach's supposed £8 billion — or £8.6 billion in present money — agreement. This figure was specifically written into the programme.

In June, 1993 the EC Regional Commissioner, Bruce Millian, produced proposals indicating that Ireland's share would be only £6.5 billion in post-devaluation Irish pounds — a cut of £2 billion. In June, 1993, at the Copenhagen Summit the Taoiseach admitted that the £8 billion was now a matter for negotiation. His "agreement" was beginning to disappear.

In July the Council of Foreign Ministers met to agree the framework regulation for the Structural Funds. Ireland threatened to veto this regulation, depriving all proper regions of money, if it did not get the figure the Taoiseach claimed was agreed. The Tánaiste came out of this meeting, followed a private meeting with Mr. Delors, to say that Ireland would get £7.84 billion. This was presented by him as a bottom line figure. The Tánaiste said that he was "100 per cent certain that that figure will not unravel". Indeed, he implied Ireland would get even more. He made that claim, even though he had nothing in writing, even though he knew that the decision was for the whole Commission, not one individual, however exalted, even though he knew the responsible Commissioner was opposed to the proposals, even though he knew the extra funds had to be found from the total budget to cover newly added areas for special aid, like East Germany, Cantabria, the Scottish Highlands, Hainault in Belgium and Valenciennes in France. The Tánaiste claimed that he had a definite figure of £7.84 billion even though the regulations he agreed to at the meeting again specified in writing that the decision would have to be taken later on by the full Commission in a "transparent" and "objective" way, with plenty of scope for opposition from other countries.

Even though he knew all this, the Tánaiste presented an entirely different picture to the Irish people based on an unrecorded discussion, in exactly the same way as the Taoiseach had done after the Edinbourgh Summit.

On 10 October 1993, the Minister for Finance met Mr. Delors in Brussels. Mr. Delors has claimed that at that meeting Deputy Ahern requested him to get the Commission to postpone their consideration of the share-out of the Structural Funds until after the debate in this House on the National Development Plan. Mr. Delors actually did arrange for such a deferral of this business from the meeting of the Commission on 13 October 1993 to that of 21 October. However Deputy Ahern, on 22 October, tried to tell a reporter that "there could have been a misunderstanding" between himself and Mr. Delors.

The next development was that the Government Ministers started to contradict themselves even in the Dáil. In the Dáil on 20 October the Taoiseach stated categorically that: on the morning of 20 July a specific agreement (another one of these specific agreements) was reached on a figure of £7.84 billion in 1993 prices as Ireland's allocation of EC Structural and Cohesion Funds. The Taoiseach made no mention of ranges of figures or fourchettes. He claimed a specific agreement to a specific figure. Yet in the same debate, half an hour later, the Tánaiste referred to what he called indicative figures which would in all likelihood be expressed in ranges or in what the Commission calls fourchettes. The Tánaiste referred to Ireland being “on target” to achieve a figure. A “target” and a “specific agreement” are two very different things. Even in the Dáil debate last week, the Taoiseach and the Tánaiste were contradicting one another.

The compulsion to contradict themselves even overflowed into this week. It now transpires that, on Tuesday night in Brussels, the Tánaiste said that he had actually told the Taoiseach more than three weeks ago that the £7.84 billion share for Ireland was uncertain. Yet, the Tánaiste had allowed the Government to go ahead and publish a plan based on that figure and allowed the Taoiseach to open the debate on the plan by stating that the aid "will amount to approximately £8 billion". The Tánaiste made no attempt to contradict this erroneous statement by the Taoiseach. He allowed the Dáil to be misled.

Those are the plain simple facts — no amount of distraction, waffle, double talk, bluster or indignation of the kind we have heard in this debate can change them. What reasonable inferences are to be drawn from those facts?

First, it seems abundantly clear that the Taoiseach at best did not understand or at worst, deliberately mis-stated what had been discussed at Edinburgh in December 1992. He ignored the written conclusions of the Summit.

Second, even if one takes that best interpretation from the Taoiseach's point of view, that he misunderstood what was discussed in Edinburgh and genuinely believed there was an agreement to pay £8 billion in Structural Funds to this country, then he was grossly incompetent in not having the terms of such an important agreement reduced to writing before he announced it to all and sundry.

Third, it is clear that the Tánaiste at best did not understand or, at worst, deliberately mis-stated what had been discussed in Brussels in July 1993. He, too, ignored the written conclusion of the meeting he had just attended.

Fourth, if one takes the best interpretation from the Tánaiste's point of view, that he misunderstood what was discussed in Brussels and genuinely believed that there was an agreement to pay £7.84 billion in Structural Funds to this country, then he was grossly incompetent in not having the terms of such an important agreement reduced to writing. This is especially so, when one remembers that all the problems had their starting point in a claimed earlier agreement which had not been put in writing. One would expect a junior barrister settling his first "knock down" action out of court in Listowel would ensure that the agreement was in writing. That common prudence was not applied in this case by the man responsible for Irish foreign relations.

A safe pair of hands.

Fifth, we have not yet heard from the Minister for Finance, Deputy Ahern, what it was that he said to Mr. Delors to make him believe that the Minister did not want the final decision on the Structural Funds allocation until after this House had completed its debate on the National Development Plan. Unless he gives us a clear and convincing account of his discussion with Mr. Delors and explains to us how Mr. Delors took him up incorrectly, the only conclusion one can come to is that he, too, was deliberately seeking to cover up for the incompetence and deception of the Taoiseach and the Tánaiste, and was thereby implicating himself in their actions.

Sixth, Ireland's relations with the EC President, who has been accused by the Taoiseach and the Tánaiste of not honouring agreements and with the Commission have been strained and, possibly, irretrievably damaged, as long as this Government, with this group of Ministers, continue in office.

Finally, if it were just a question of incompetence alone the Government might not have faced this confidence motion. It was the ham-fisted cover up which brought the combined Opposition together to challenge the Government. Quite simply, it comes down to this: at the very time the Government was publishing its plan at an elaborate launch in Dublin Castle, it knew that the financial basis for the plan was unravelling. This deceit is unforgiveable.

I do not suffer from the delusion that when this House divides on this motion the Government's mighty majority will suddenly evaporate. We did not propose a motion of no confidence in the Government in the belief that it will be carried. There is, I fear, not enough respect for the people of this country on the Government backbenches for that to happen. It is, however, important that some voices in this House be raised in protest on behalf of the people of this country. Surely they are entitled to something better than gross incompetence and deception from Ministers.

Surely, the tireless work of a succession of Ministers for Foreign Affairs, and I include Deputies Andrews, Lenihan and Collins in that description, in developing good professional working relationships with the EC President and the Commission, should not be allowed to be set at nought by the naïve incompetence of Deputies Reynolds, Spring and Ahern.

These are what should be good days. Mr. Delors and Commissioner Millan have been, and are, our friends. They have treated this country well both in past and present allocations of Structural Funds. They deserve our esteem. They do not deserve either recrimination or false accusation from the three Ministers who have talked themselves into a hole and persist in talking themselves further in every day that passes.

The same bluster, the same lack of competence and the same lack of trust in people's intelligence characterises the way the Government is handling other business. It was the same in the way the Government set about drawing up the National Development Plan. Rather than treat the Irish people as adults, by showing them a full draft plan where all our people could see the hard choices that had to be made, the Government just asked the people, like children, for their wish lists of projects and then made the decisions in secret and sent them off to Brussels before unveiling them in this House.

Then, having discovered that it is about £1 billion short in funding for that plan, the Government, again decided to act in a way that under-estimated the intelligence of the Irish people. It pretends it can go on as before, with the same plan and figures even though a big chunk of the money has disappeared. This is an insult to people's intelligence. Two and two do not make five. Against a background of strict Maastricht borrowing limits and the fact that Government spending over the past four years is already increasing twice as fast as national income it is just incredible to pretend that this plan does not need revision and that the missing £1 billion can simply be found by Irish taxpayers.

The only way that could be done would be by extra taxation. The Government seems to be suggesting that the Irish people should now pay extra taxes just so that the Government can save its face and go ahead with a plan that the Tánaiste told the Taoiseach three weeks ago was prepared on false pretences in the first place.

This is a Government that is drifting, making things up as it goes along. This is the same Government that is drifting into another Programme for Economic and Social Progress without any clear Dáil mandate that would put extra employment ahead of income increases for those who already have jobs. This is the same Government that is drifting along with processes initiated by others in Northern Ireland without having any specific initiatives or policies of its own.

In summary, I do not believe that the interests of the country are served by the continuance of this sort of Government. The Irish people deserve a better Government then the one they have.

A Leas-Cheann Comhairle, any doubt I had about the necessity for this motion of no confidence was quickly dispelled when I heard the Taoiseach's Martin Luther-like address here this morning. The Taoiseach reminds me so much of the man that had a dream. The Taoiseach had a dream that the Coalition was a "temporary little arrangement"; maybe that is why we now call it a partnership. The Taoiseach had a dream that his party would win an overall majority — that is how he came to power within his party — and we all know the nightmare that turned out to be. The Taoiseach also had a dream in Edinburgh that he had £8 billion in a mythical bag and, unfortunately, he is still dreaming here this morning.

This debate is about judgment, accountability and credibility. In essence, it is about confidence in this Government. It is not about whether £7.2 billion, £7.8 billion or £8.7 billion is what we deserve or will get from Europe between now and 1999. All of these figures or any of these figures would represent a successful outcome to the recent negotiations. In the context of the Structural and Cohesion Funds no one ever heard of a fourchette, of a range of monetary aids that might be available to Ireland, and I ask why not. A decision was taken at the highest political level in this country to conceal what had happened in Edinburgh and what had happened in Brussels. The House was misled and the people were misled.

I can understand why the Government might not have wished to tell the full truth. It would have been embarrassing, particularly for the Taoiseach. The Government would have had to explain how after devaluation the Taoiseach had lost £1,500 million. In order to avoid the embarrassment for the Taoiseach, members of the Government at the most senior level were prepared to conceal the truth. They went ahead with the charade of a launch of a national development plan and a showpiece debate in this House without telling us or the people that the financial foundations of that plan were not based on the cast iron commitments the Government had told us about but rather on threadbare aspirations.

That is the shadow of incompetence and deceit which stalks this Government. The standards of accountability which this House demands of and sets for Government apply in all its dealings, both national and international, and when they are broken it is up to this House, and particularly the people on these benches, to ensure that there is full and effective accountability.

The fiasco of the Structural Funds did not just arise in the last few weeks. It goes back to the Edinburgh Summit last December and to the extravagant, misleading and politically self-serving declarations of the Taoiseach. In the eyes of many people, especially members of his own party, the Taoiseach was on his last outing as head of that party, having suffered a shattering defeat at the hands of the electorate.

That is a mistake you made.

Fighting then for his political survival the Taoiseach sought to cling to Edinburgh as a drowning man to life raft. At a press conference on 12 December after the Edinburgh Summit the Taoiseach's exaggeration knew no bounds. It is important to recall the words he used, because words matter, they have a precise meaning; and when those words are used by the Taoiseach they have a precise import and meaning. One assumes that when the Taoiseach used words he is choosing them carefully. It is, after all, what we expect from our Head of Government. To the assembled media corps of journalists who were rather sceptical, given that they knew the view of the other cohesion countries, the Taoiseach said that the Edinburgh Summit was his "greatest political achievement". To the reasoned reservations and questions from the journalists, still very sceptical, the Taoiseach said: "I am absolutely confident. It's there. It's in the bag".

Those words were not used by me at any press conference.

I have them here, and the Taoiseach never denied them.

It is only now you are denying that.

You said the same thing in the Dáil.

"In the bag" is your phrase.

Deputy Harney, without interruption, please.

Superlative upon superlative was piled on by the Taoiseach. This is where the real deception began. This is where we have the deepest deception of all. I want to tell the Taoiseach exactly what he did say because he repeated it here again on 16 December. He said: "We have secured over £8,000 million over a seven year period, which represents over £3 million a day for every day of seven years of non-repayable finance". He went on to say: "I am absolutely confident. It's there. It's in the bag."

I never said that.

The Taoiseach rounded with irritation on a persistent journalist who was not being fooled and who knew what was going on and asked him where it was coming from. It would be more appropriate if we asked where the Taoiseach was coming from on that occasion and, perhaps more important, where he was going. The Taoiseach had a date at the Berkeley Court Hotel and within 24 hours he was proferring the mythical £8 billion bag to the Labour Party leader. He succeeded in seducing the Labour Party leader hook, line and fourchette.

And that was before we put the Bill through the House.

"Oh, Lisdoon, Lisdoon, Lisdoonvarna."

It did not end there. I know the Labour Party always find it difficult to resist spending money. It did not finish at the Berkley Court. On the following Wednesday, 16 December, the Taoiseach said here in the Dáil: "I am happy to inform the House that these contacts [with other heads of Government] together with a firm and carefully calculated strategy and, not least, energetic participation in the Edinburgh meeting itself, have led to what is one of the greatest negotiating successes ever by an Irish Government." The Taoiseach went on to say: "The agreement now reached ensures — and I say this with complete confidence — that Ireland will obtain in excess of £8 billion over seven years. This will comprise up to £1 billion for the new Cohesion Fund and more than £7 billion from the Structural Funds".

Note that throughout the Taoiseach used the word "agreement". By now self-deception had become a grand illusion. It is interesting that the Taoiseach spoke not of possible negotiations, not of a base figure, not of a fourchette, but of an agreement. There was no false modesty there. He was raising the bars of his own political credibility to dizzy heights, and we are entitled to use those heights when we judge him today.

There were warnings from the Commission. Every official who spoke expressed doubts about the Taoiseach's claims. Even the outgoing Irish Commissioner, Mr. Ray MacSharry, quickly made it known that the £8 billion claim of the Taoiseach was overambitious. All the public and private signals from Brussels cast doubts; but, significantly it was not until the Copenhagen Summit last June that we find the Taoiseach admitting for the first time that there was not an agreement, that it was "a matter for negotiation" and that he would be lobbying M. Delors at the summit to make sure that Ireland retained a 13.5 per cent share of the Structural Funds. After the summit on 22 June last the Taoiseach, still blustering, went on to say: "I have still not found any argument or feeling or reason to believe that our allocation will be reduced". By now, of course, the "agreement" had softened to being a "matter for negotiation". Referring to his meeting with President Delors he stated: "I told him that the political reality was that no country could be expected to accept a decrease in its allocation". However, the Taoiseach is today seeking to define the political realities by which we should judge him.

Within days of the Copenhagen Summit it became clear that all was not well and when the draft regulations from the Edinburgh Summit were published, outlining the proposed allocations of the £65 billion, it was clear that the Irish position was very vulnerable. The Government spokesperson said "We cannot accept the text of the regulations without a clear indication that our allocation will be maintained in line with the understandings of Edinburgh"— not the agreement of Edinburgh but the understandings.

What did the Government do? It threatened to veto the meeting of Foreign Ministers on 2 July. The man who wants to put justice into economics and trust into politics told us he was 100 per cent sure that the figure would not unravel. After the Copenhagen Summit he again set his sights on the dizzy £8 billion. The situation got even muckier from then on, with threats of vetoes, blocking the overall funding programme and haranguing officials. The night of the fourchettes had suddenly arrived, 19 July.

Are they showbands?

The Tánaiste was 100 per cent sure that the figure would not unravel. Not to be outdone by the Tánaiste, the Taoiseach was back grabbing the headlines at home. On the lunchtime radio news, "News at One", the Taoiseach praised the Tánaiste for his performance and said: "This time our base figure is between £7.84 billion and £8 billion, and we will draw down up to £8.7 billion". Pressed further by the RTE interviewer as to whether the £8.7 billion was guaranteed the Taoiseach boldly stated that there was no doubt whatsoever about what was coming to us. I note the Taoiseach was not as fond of grabbing the headlines last week and speaking on "News at One" about what happened.

In response to the Taoiseach's comments my colleague and predecessor as Leader of the Progressive Democrats, Deputy O'Malley, said that it was a lot of political bluster and that there was no written agreement whatsoever underpinning these unilateral assertions of the Taoiseach. He said: "Aside from the exposure of the Taoiseach's flawed negotiations at Edinburgh last December the confirmation by the Tánaiste that today's agreement is not a written deal is a further cause for concern". He went on to say: "Given the way the much hyped verbal deal at Edinburgh unravelled, what assurance have we now that the Brussels deal will not unravel as well ...". The only assurance we had was the Tánaiste telling us he was 100 per cent certain.

It was not only my predecessor who made such a statement. More importantly, the Regional Affairs Commissioner, Bruce Millan, was still insisting that the money was not there to meet Ireland's demands. An official commenting on the Irish performance on the night of the long fourchettes said that we adopted a “classic smash and grab operation”. He added: “We may have burned a lot of bridges on the way, but happily it will be 1999 before the next set of Structural Funds negotiations”.

That is five years away.

We then had the launch of the National Development Plan on Monday, 11 October last. We now know that a week earlier, on 4 October, the President of the Commission warned the Tánaiste, who in turn told the Taoiseach, that there were problems in meeting the Irish claims. The Tánaiste acknowledged that the President of the Commission briefly raised that matter. He confirmed that again yesterday morning and the Taoiseach this morning acknowledged that he was told this was the case. If the Government was told a week before it launched the National Development Plan that the money was not there they should not have proceeded with the fiasco and the charade at Dublin Castle.

In a debate in this House on 14 October, nine days after he was informed by the Tánaiste that the money was not there and the plan was in difficulty, the Taoiseach said: "We will receive in all almost £8 billion". We know that informal requests were made to the President and to Bruce Millan's office to postpone a decision from 13 October to 20 October. The President, Mr. Delors, said of his meeting with the Minister for Finance that the Minister said: "say please if you could postpone your decision until the presentation of the Irish plan before the Parliament, I would be very grateful. I followed his advice and I postponed the decision". Commissioner Millan's office also stated repeatedly that an informal request had come from the Irish side to postpone that vital meeting. That is why the meeting did not take place until 20 October.

The next date of significance was last Wednesday, 20 October. Despite the fact that the matter was unravelling we had a debate in this House in which for the first time we were told by the Taoiseach that: "A specific agreement was reached on a figure of £7.84 billion in 1993 prices", on 20 July last. There was no reference to Edinburgh and the £8 billion in the bag. The Taoiseach also sought in that debate, as he did this morning, to play the patriotic blackmail card. It is grand to have the partnership when the Government is going well but when it is in difficulty the Opposition is supposed to cover up and play at consensus. That will not be the attitude of my party and I do not believe it will be the attitude of any other party in Opposition.

I would be surprised if it was.

The Taoiseach sought to tell us that the Opposition is undermining the Irish position. There was no support in Europe and it is amazing and extraordinary that the Government would find succour in this House. For the first time the fog of political self-delusion and downright deception began to be cleared by the Tánaiste in the same emergency debate. For the first time the Tánaiste told us about the fourchettes, the range of figures that were available. This had never been mentioned before, not even by the Taoiseach when he was speaking here about the National Development Plan.

It is very worrying that the Government sought, throughout the debacle of the last few days, to drag in very honourable public servants to back up the Government's false claims, civil servants who could not answer for themselves and could not be questioned in this House.

Hear, hear.

We never did that and never will.

The Taoiseach did. He named them.

The Taoiseach is hiding behind the civil servants. He said they are witnesses.

What can we make of what has happened? I know what the Tánaiste would make of it if he was in my position this morning. I will remind him of what he said on 5 November last, at column 2314 of the Official Report, when referring to the present Taoiseach. He said: "This is the Taoiseach who says, over and over again, that the buck stops with him, but who makes every effort he can to ensure that the buck lands in the lap of the civil servants who work for him on behalf of the State".

I would not attempt to do that.

Did the Tánaiste write that himself or was it Fergus who wrote it?

The Deputy in possession should be allowed continue.

I wonder did the Minister of State, Deputy Fitzgerald, who is very happy to mention the civil servants, read that part of the Tánaiste's speech last year. The Tánaiste went on to say in the same debate: "This is the Taoiseach who preaches about respect for the institutions of State in this House, but who has lost the ability to conduct himself with dignity in any crisis". He said at column 2313 of the same debate: "This is the Taoiseach who promised open Government, but whose Government fought in the Supreme Court to establish a system of Cabinet secrecy that flies in the face of that promise".

Have we had open Government for the past few weeks? Were questions answered in this House about the debacle? Where did the Minister for Finance choose to answer questions? He answered them on "The Pat Kenny Show" and on "Prime Time", not in this House. In fairness to the Minister he is the only person who recognised that a blunder had been made and at least he appreciates that lessons should be learned.

What is the attitude of the Taoiseach? He tells us there are no lessons to be learned. What is the attitude of the Tánaiste? He told us yesterday morning he is proud, proud that he did not tell us the truth. The only things the Tánaiste believes should be changed are the European institutions themselves. The Minister of State with overall responsibility for co-ordinating the National Development Plan has said there will be no paring back, there will be no changes.

More taxes.

Perhaps the greatest indictment of the incompetence of the Government is that it is not prepared to learn any lessons. The comments of the Regional Affairs Commissioner are worth quoting. He described the attitude of the Spanish Government as entirely helpful and instructive. He noted that there had been a great air of realism in some member states, but not in others, in the past few months. He did not say who the others were, but he did not need to. He also said that if any lesson must be learned by the Government it must be that: "It is always a bit unwise to claim something unless you are absolutely sure that the matter has been formally agreed by the Commission".

I will briefly refer to some of the comments made by the Taoiseach this morning. He chastised me for saying we are the laughing stock of Europe. I stand over that claim. The people who matter in Europe have no confidence in this Government because of the way it handles matters.

We need goodwill in Europe. We need goodwill in terms of the final negotiations on GATT and on the Aer Lingus rescue package. The Taoiseach went on to talk about the new right. That reminded me of the red scare he engaged in during the last election in relation to his present colleagues in Government, with huge advertisements in the newspapers.

He nearly bankrupted his party.

The Taoiseach quoted President Delors' statement of two nights ago that: "I am fully confident that Ireland will be able to fulfil its plan". If the President of the Commission could not deliver on his promise in office, does the Taoiseach think he will be able to deliver on it after he leaves office at the end of 1994?

That is a terrible thing to say about such a man.

Why does the Taoiseach keep clinging on to hopeless situations? Why does he not come clean? The Taoiseach also tried to tell us that we did not want to see success for the country. I challenge that statement. I also challenge the Taoiseach's statement that if we oppose him and call a vote we will be doing something wrong.

I want to remind the Taoiseach of what is contained in the Programme for Government under the heading "Oireachtas Reform", and I quote:

Our proposals will represent the most radical overhaul of Dáil procedures and practices ever undertaken.

The programme continues:

They are designed to ensure that the Government are fully accountable to the Dáil for their policies, decisions and actions, in line with our shared commitment to open Government.

In the conclusion, the programme tells us that the hallmark of this Government will be openness and accountability. I wonder where that openness and accountability is this morning.

In his speech the Taoiseach referred to my unmeasured comments. I wish to say this to the Taoiseach: whether or not I have scripts, I have never delivered unmeasured comments like the ones delivered at Templemore.

And elsewhere.

Selective quotations will get the Deputy nowhere.

The Taoiseach referred to the Tallaght Hospital. I am delighted my colleague, Deputy Rabbitte, is in the House. I was at the Tallaght Person Of The Year dinner last year on 6 November when the Taoiseach, reading from a script, said what he would do for the people of Tallaght. He said:

I do not believe in any vague promises. I want to give the people here a specific date. The hospital will start on the morning of the 14th of April, 1993.

The workmen are moving in next Friday. that shows how wrong the Taoiseach can get it even when he is reading from a script.

A couple of months——

It is a bit like a couple of billions of pounds. A couple is not good enough when one is Taoiseach.

It is six months. The Taoiseach cannot even count.

(Interruptions.)

The Deputy without interruption, please.

A couple is not good enough——

Tell the people of Tallaght that.

——when one is Taoiseach. Last week the Tánaiste and Minister for Foreign Affairs went on a melodramatic trip to Brussels.

I thought the Deputy asked me to go. She should make up her mind.

As I said, it was probably the most expensive trip ever. He would have made poor Neville Chamberlain look really good coming back with his piece of paper.

The Deputy asked me to go.

I suppose the Government thought it could still devise some political formula or create some kind of mirage which would cloud what had happened.

On 5 November the Tánaiste and Minister for Foreign Affairs told us that he wanted to end "the politics of the stroke". If there is anything we have seen lots of during the entire débâcle on the National Development Plan it is the politics of the stroke. He also said: "I am not going to prop up any party or anybody's ego". I would suggest that standing by the mythical bag in Edinburgh is very much about propping up the ego of the Taoiseach. What has been unmasked during this sorry debacle is a story of incompetence and deception. The Taoiseach is the most culpable person of all — he did not just go over the top; he tried to bully, use vetos and get retrospective approval for his famous Edinburgh deal.

The Government stands indicated even at this early stage in its term of office. The Government may have a huge majority in this House but the people will decide at the next election who is sovereign. To stand over my comments in relation to Europe I wish to refer to an article in this morning's Irish Times by Cliff Taylor in which he refers to a statement by Colm Larkin, head of the European Commission office in Dublin, on the Government's strategy. He questioned “whether it was a reasonable thing to do to try to nail the Commission down first in Edinburgh, then in July and again now”. He believed this was not a reasonable thing to do.

That is one man's opinion.

He is entitled to his views.

He is head of the Commission's office in Dublin.

He probably knows better than the Taoiseach does how the system works.

Four and a half billion——

I will deal with that issue.

Deputy Harney without interruption, please.

The Government has a huge majority in this House——

The problem is that the Taoiseach would not know the truth if it hit him with numbers.

The high moral ground.

Moralisers.

The Taoiseach has a huge majority in this House, not because of anything he did but because the Labour Party is in the mythical bag. No doubt the Government will carry the day. The Taoiseach should remember what happened in Canada — he may well yet become the Kim Campbell of Irish politics.

I wish to share my time with Deputy Trevor Sargent.

Is that agreed? Agreed.

I would like the House to bear in mind two epitaphs in the context of my contribution, both of which are taken from formal statements by the Tánaiste and Minister for Foreign Affairs and the Taoiseach. On 10 January last the Tánaiste and Minister for Foreign Affairs said: "The face of Irish politics has changed forever". At the launch of the National Development Plan on 11 October last the Taoiseach said: "Our aim is no less than the transformation of the country".

The Government has blundered into this no confidence motion as a result of the fiasco of the missing EC millions. However, the EC funds debacle is not the first blunder by this grey Cabinet of underachievers. Seldom in the history of this State has there been such a gap between promise and performance. The Government's mismanagement of the currency crisis cost the country something in the order of £200 million and threatened jobs, some of which will never be replaced. A Government committed to tax reform introduced the 1 per cent income levy for most wage earners except the very low paid and then ushered in a tax amnesty for tax cheats, crooks and fiddlers. Amidst the rhetoric of "no privatisation" the Government proceeded to sell off the State's remaining stake in Greencore and botched the shares placing.

The EC funds miscalculation was not the Government's first deception of this House or of the electorate. The Minister for Social Welfare told us that the infamous "dirty dozen" social welfare cuts were being reviewed — in other words, repealed. Not satisfied to leave the good news to Woodspeak and unable to resist a catchy line penned for her party's conference, the Minister of State at the Department of Social Welfare told the delegates at the conference that "the dirty dozen have gone for a Burton". She repeated that falsehood during a radio interview the following Sunday and she accused Deputy De Rossa of being a liar, a statement she was obliged to retract when she could not substantiate her claim on the dirty dozen. The "no job losses" in Aer Lingus statement suddenly became "no compulsory job losses" and the determination to preserve a dynamic national carrier is looking more feeble every day.

This Government, which was supposed to be dedicated to transparency and openness, has ensured that the lid has been kept tightly on the Pandora's box that is Tara Mines. Meanwhile the ethics in Government legislation, which we were told was the price of Labour participation in office, has become as harmless as the erstwhile left-wingers now tacked on to the Government. A Government committed to deepening democracy has cancelled the by-elections in Dublin and Mayo. Above all, the Government is transfixed by the jobs crisis and on Northern Ireland deferential to the point of being immobilised. It is a Government which has reneged on its pledges so recently made to the electorate, a Government bloated on its own image and majority and complacent in its mediocrity and inaction. It is now a Government hoisted on its own four-chettes.

It is hard to believe that it is only ten months since the Government declared in its mission statement:

Our aim is to restore confidence in the democratic process, by encouraging greater openness and participation at all levels, by improving public accountability, transparency and trust, and by ensuring the highest standards in public life.

If there is one thing that the night of the long fourchettes has done it is to undermine every phrase in that high-minded mission statement. If the tawdry reality serves to undermine the hubris which surrounds this Government it may have served some purpose.

According to no less an authority than the Tánaiste and Minister for Foreign Affairs, we should not have been too surprised. After all, the Government is led by the same Taoiseach about whom Deputy Spring said in this House on 5 November last year:

This is the Taoiseach who talked about a Government for all the people, but whose policies have been viciously cruel to many thousands of people who live on the margins of our society. This is the Taoiseach who talks about consensus, but who governs behind closed doors ... this is the Taoiseach who preaches about respect for the institutions of State in this House, but who has lost the ability to conduct himself with dignity in any crisis. Why should Members be surprised at the fiddling of figures, the tax amnesty for cheats and crooks and the failure to repeal the "dirty dozen" social welfare cuts? Is the Tánaiste not in Government, albeit a partnership Government, with the same political party that he suspected on 5 November 1992 had gone so far down the road of blindness to the standards and of blindness to the people they are supposed to represent that it is impossible to see how anyone could support them in the future without seeing them first undergo the most radical transformation".

The time has come for the Tánaiste to tell the House precisely when this "most radical transformation" of Fianna Fáil took place. In fairness to Fianna Fáil such a charge should not be levelled against it without good cause. I do not believe that Fianna Fáil is guilty of such a charge. The only transformation that has taken place in Irish politics since 5 November has been the transformation of the Labour Party. The spectacle in this House last Thursday of the Minister of State, Deputy Stagg, baying back at the hounds in defence of his Taoiseach confirms that transformation, although it was as surprising as Minister Quinn's ostentatious handshake was predictable.

Fianna Fáil is more or less the same as it has always been. Mr de Valera and Fianna Fáil were born with a fourchette rather than a silver spoon in their mouths. Its ability to duck and weave has served Fianna Fáil, if not the country, well. For Fianna Fáil, politics is about power and how to use it. There are no core values, no principles that cannot be tailored to accommodate that imperative. A share of power is better than no power and “sure things might get better”. An awkward social issue that is at the bottom of the agenda today might very well have to be legislated for next week. They might say: “We are totally opposed to it ourselves, of course, but the other crowd are pushing us into it; Who in their right minds would expect us to give up all of this in order to take a stand that few would understand and fewer still remember, especially with headage payments being so high?”

When one is talking about billions of ECUs at 1992 prices, how important is £640 million? What would one do with £640 million? Five Tallaght hospitals, three Aer Lingus rescues, one full year of the Exchequer borrowing requirement or God knows how many leaflet drops for Séamus Brennan.

I would remind the Deputy that Members should not engage in criticising other Members.

It is all to do with a bit of fourchettes.

About the same time that Deputy Spring, walking alone on Banna Strand, detected this "radical transformation of Fianna Fáil, the Taoiseach, Albert Reynolds, was in Edinburgh doing what he knows best — pulling a stroke, in fact pulling the stroke of his political lifetime. Not a man to be diverted by uneven numbers, he telephoned from Edinburgh and said, "the £8 billion is in the bag". He asked Deputy Spring if he would like to help him spend it and the rest, as they say, is history.

Left to their own devices the truth need never have come out. Who will remember detailed figures half way through the National Development Plan? Unfortunately for the negotiators, the Irish Government was not left to its own devices. The unelected bureaucrats of the EC Commission do their business with more transparency than the elected partnership Government which is, in its own words, dedicated to "greater openness and participation at all levels, by improving public accountability, transparency and trust".

Not even during life under Kinsealy did we experience such a breathtaking stroke. A Taoiseach, mauled and bruised in the general election campaign, was limping towards the exit door of Irish politics when he discovered the pot of gold at the end of the Brussels rainbow. "The £8 billion is in the bag" he proclaimed, no "ifs" or "buts". It was a dowry the Labour Party could not resist. He would send the Tánaiste to make the pick-up. Was not Deputy Spring in the Socialist International with Monsieur Delors? Brother Dick and Frére Jacques would do the sums. The Tánaiste was very precise; he landed £7.84 billion and as the Irish people rose for work or the dole office on 21 July he told them on RTE radio:

I have to say I am satisfied with the guarantees and the assurances that we have received. I am quite satisfied from the assurances given by the President of the Commission that we will realise that figure. I am 100 per cent certain that that figure will not unravel.

Brother Dick has found out that Frére Jacques did not conduct himself as one good socialist could reasonably expect from another. Monsieur Delors denies any such guarantees. He ducks and weaves and speaks with forked tongue and saves his own political skin — in short, Frére Jacques is really more like Fianna Fáil. Meanwhile, the Tánaiste's well-tailored posterior is well and truly out the window of Iveagh House.

If this House accepts that our Foreign Minister was duped by this Fianna Fáilstyled Frenchman, the question remains; why did Deputy Spring persist in his error? Why did Deputy Spring, once he learned that the figures were unsound, not come into this House and put the facts as we know them before the Members of this House? More seriously, why did the Tánaiste participate in the launch of a national development plan that he knew to be fraudulently contructed? As recently as Wednesday, 20 October, why did the Tánaiste come before this House confirming he had "an agreement" on behalf of the Irish Government with President Delors and that he had "every confidence that that agreement will be honoured in full"? Why was 20 October the first occasion that this House heard about "indicative figures" and about the Commission's infamous "fourchettes"? What is the figure which the Tánaiste would now have us believe he is confident will "be honoured in full"? On 20 October he told this House: The figure of 9.35 billion ECU in 1992 prices translates into 9.7 billion ECU in 1993 prices, and into £7.84 billion. That is the figure that I announced at the conclusion of those negotiations. That figure has never been publicly challenged from that day to this.

That last sentence is classic Fianna Fáil speak. The £7.84 billion has "never been publicly challenged". The Tánaiste knew as he delivered that speech that that figure was being very much challenged in the corridors of the Berlaymont. It was misleading to allow the inference that the figure was not being challenged. One may as well claim that there never was such a challenge to that figure, á la Mr. Haughey.

It will be a matter of acute disappointment for all those thousands of first time Labour Party voters that their Sir Galahad now speaks with the forked tongue of Fianna Fáil. The high minded rhetoric of the Concert Hall, promising that "the face of Irish politics has changed for ever" is now but a distant memory. It is a case of the more things change, the more they stay the same.

Perhaps it was a case of hope springs eternal. Perhaps Deputy Spring genuinely believed that the Labour Party could socialise Fianna Fáil and transform that lumbering Civil War relic into a modern democratic entity. Perhaps the Tánaiste contemplated enrolling the entire Fianna Fáil Parliamentary Party in the Tom Johnson Foundation and arranging for the Minister for Arts, Culture and the Gaeltacht to give some classes on social democracy. Perhaps it was simply that the pragmatic tendency within the Labour Party, led by the Ministers for Enterprise and Employment and Health, won out. Whatever the explanation, we are stuck with a Government which commands the largest majority in the history of the State and is comprised of two parties which, by the end of its term, will seem indistinguishable from each other.

For the man and woman in the street, what distinguishes this Fianna Fáil/Coalition from its predecessor, the Fianna Fáil/Progressive Democrat Coalition? Tens of thousands of people voted for something called "change". What have they got for their votes? Certainly they have not got a job if they were unemployed last January; they have not got tax reform if they are taxpayers; they have not had their social welfare benefits reinstated if they had been disadvantaged by the McCreevy dirty dozen cuts and there are now more of them on the housing list.

Aer Lingus remains on a life-support machine. The recommendations of the Culliton report have been fudged. The sale of State assets for short term budgetary considerations continues apace and access to the courts, to health care, to public transport are just as difficult for the poor and disadvantaged. Indeed, the very fact that this debate is taking place today is an acknowledgement that the promise of greater openness has been set aside. We are not permitted to explore whether improper considerations informed public policy on mining.

So the question can properly be asked: what has changed? There is none of the friction, we are told, in this Government that characterised relations between Fianna Fáil and the Progressive Democrats. Far from being a cause for pride, the absence of tension between two parties who claimed before the election to be so essentially different is evidence only of the smug complacency and the extent to which the Fianna Fáil embrace has smothered the Labour Party.

In his attack in November last on the Taoiseach, the present Tánaiste accused the Government of cheapening and debasing one of the highest callings there is and of dishonouring those who serve the public in political life. If the Taoiseach's performance merited such an assessment in November last, one might well ask how his performance has changed since then.

In December, 1992 the Taoiseach went to Edinburgh and claimed to have £8 billion in the bag. According to the Brussels correspondent of The Irish Times this was a figure he based on the assumption that Ireland would retain its existing 13.5 per cent share of the Structural Funds. We now know that the figure which the Tánaiste thought he had secured seven months later in July actually constituted an 11.5 per cent share of the Structural Funds. Undaunted, the Taoiseach was reported in The Irish Times of 21 July last as follows:

Mr. Reynolds maintained that, following 20 hours of negotiations by the Tánaiste, Mr. Spring, in Brussels, the base figure of £7.84 billion to £8 billion would translate into a conservative estimate of £8.7 billion in Structural and Cohesion Funds for Ireland between 1994 and 1999.

The Taoiseach was using his own four-chette here, introducing ranges for the first time of £7.84 billion to £8 billion while, at the same time, talking miraculously about a base figure and adding in the devaluation factor to translate it back into Irish punts. Blithely, the Cabinet proceeded on 21 July last, to dish out the £8.7 billion, with £3.7 billion from Irish Exchequer funds under the additionality principle.

After the Taoiseach had been told the deal had unravelled, he came into this House on 20 October and asserted, "On the morning of 20 July a specific agreement was reached on a figure of £7.84 billion in 1993 prices." Monsieur Jacques Delors says there was no such agreement. Not even the Tánaiste asserts that there was such an agreement. All he said was that he had an understanding that indicative figures, in all likelihood, would be expressed in ranges, or in what the Commission calls fourchettes. The Taoiseach ploughed on irrespective. In a way, he had no choice. More than a week earlier he had launched his Government's National Development Plan, knowing before the launch that the figures were unreal.

Both the Taoiseach and the Tánaiste are now implicated in promising to transforms the country with money they both knew they did not have. Who else in this grey Cabinet of under-achievers knew that the the plan was phoney? Clearly, the Minister for Finance knew, as did the Minister of State, the self-styled Minister for £8 billion, Deputy Ethne Fitzgerald. Did the Minister for Finance and the Minister of State go further, as has been claimed, and seek the co-operation of Monsieur Delors in postponing the night of the long fourchettes so that they could launch the Government's phoney plan before the cat got out of the bag? Were they dispatched as emissaries by the Taoiseach or as a result of a Government decision?

When did the remainder of the Cabinet become aware that the Taoiseach's £8.7 billion had become £7.2 billion, while all the time not a word to the Members of this House? The first this House heard of indicative figures or fourchettes was on 20 October when the Cabinet recognised that the lid could not be kept on any longer. When I heard Senator Michael O'Kennedy speak in another House about non-paper documents I thought that, if that is the kind of cavalry this Government must send for, they are really in trouble.

The House has been deceived. Critical information about the biggest ever investment programme in the history of this State has been concealed from Members' scrutiny. A National Development Plan has been fraudulently constructed and sold to the public with the abandon of a down-at-heel, second hard car salesman. Once again, an Irish Government has disgraced itself. This time the Labour Party is part of the Government but no one shouted stop.

Ba mhaith lion mo buíochas a ghabháil don Teachta Rabbitte as a chuid ama a roinnt liom agus táim buíoch freisin as an díospoíreacht seo.

As a Green Party Deputy and Member for Dublin North I feel obliged initially to voice the feelings of people in my constituency. Their perception certainly is one of gloom, indeed anger, when one sees the various problems which appear to have been accentuated since the general election. For example, there springs to mind redundancies in Aer Lingus, cutbacks and closures of industries. I understand that next week more earth-shattering news will emerge on that front. In addition, the decimation of horticulture seems to have received less than adequate attention and a highly unreliable, 32-year-old railway system endeavours to render life normal. Responsibility for outlandish re-zoning decisions must also fall fairly and squarely on the shoulders of the Government, given that many of the worst were proposed and pushed through by Fianna Fáil with help from some Fine Gael and Progressive Democrat councillors. In addition, the prolonged problems of the lack of treatment of raw sewage, the decline of small harbours and a very low rates support grant — becoming ever lower in the case of Dublin County Council — all render local circumstances particularly difficult. The deplorable record of this Government on issues pertinent to my constituency becomes all the more serious when one looks at the national scenario.

Where is the Government going with its collective might, its huge majority? Is it really a case of all brawn and no brains? On the one hand unemployment is claimed, rightly, to be our biggest problem while, at the same time, the Government pursues policies which encourage redundancies and, worst still, exports money, thereby forcing more people to purchase foreign-produced cars and other goods. Most of our energy seems to be devoted to an enlarged roads network. The lack of adequate support for horticulture in the production of early crops means that imported food often is the only choice available to our consumers. This highlights the lack of any energy policy. It also highlights the fact that this Government appears to be more interested in importing foreign energy in the form of coal and oil while using up our finite supplies of gas and peat as quickly as possible than exploring the options of providing much greater employment through a long overdue domestic commercial and industrial energy conservation programme, and research into renewable energy sources.

One example is the Bellacorick wind farm in County Mayo which stands out from a public relations point of view as a fine example of indigenous industry. I should draw Members' attention to the fact that Danish employment has been enhanced by the Bellacorick wind farm to the tune of 85 jobs. I understand from the Danish company involved that an additional 35 employees were deployed in the erection of that wind farm.

I do not know whether the Government's job is to support the Danish economy more than ours but that would appear to be the case. Less than half a maintenance job has been created in Ireland at that wind farm when a problem arises. Time does not permit me to spell out all the various examples but I suggest we look to short rotation forestry, rape seed, biodiesel, solar, hydro and wave power — all our potential resources — as the big employers to bring employment to the most depressed area of Ireland.

It has been said to me by State companies outside this country that without State commitment to indigenous energy supplies no company will trust the market here because State policy is required to ensure some guarantee for their investment. Where is State commitment to Irish industry? Following the Maastricht Treaty, which is coming home to roost now as we squabble about the money, where is State commitment to Irish industry? In my consituency the Army is tendering out orders for badges to a London company. It took some very vigilant people in Dublin north to point out that the order was not placed with a London company but with a company in Asia. The Army was selling out on an Irish company, causing redundancies, and instead buying its badges from Asia. That shows a lack of vigilance on the part of the authorities here.

The tax system, about which little is done, still allows individual landowners to make immense profits from rezoning. Is this the best the Government can do to assist farmers who say they no longer want to farm their land? They ensure that their profits from rezoning are maximised. Meanwhile the argument is made that we cannot have an energy tax here just yet but I believe we have to. After all, what is being taxed is mainly imported energy. Surely a tax would not just save on imports by encouraging more energy efficiency but the false perception would be turned around that an energy tax would ensure we could reduce tax on labour. That is what we should be aiming for.

On what basis can the Government say that openness is a factor in its regime? This confidence motion was sparked off by the golden handshake which has since been found not to be gold but to be a base metal that has rusted to a lesser value. For the life of me I cannot understand why an agreement of this magnitude cannot have some written commitment. No writing means no guarantee. Any salesman who came back to the office without a written agreement, arguing there was a guarantee, would not be promoted and would probably face the prospect of redundancy. Why should this Government be subject to different treatment when it is supposedly made up of some socialists? I thought socialism was about treating people equally.

The debate today takes place on a rather artificial basis. The Opposition's declarations of no confidence in the Government essentially stem from complete lack of ability on the part of the Opposition to recognise what has actually been achieved in relation to the next round of Structural Funds, rather than on an accurate and clear picture.

I know that some people in the newspapers have to keep finding angles for stories. I realise that Opposition Deputies have to make capital wherever they can find it — especially when it is so obvious that they are incapable of initiating anything of their own. But I intend to address the issues raised in as matter-of-fact a way as I can, because I honestly believe that we really have more important work to do in this House.

I do, however, believe that I must begin by dealing with the two central issues that form the basis of the Opposition's attack in relation to Structural Funds, the issues of competence and integrity. When we exchanged statements on the subject of the allocation of the Structural Funds from 1994 to 1999 on Wednesday last week, I made it clear that the National Plan would be implemented in full. I stand over that statement.

I have twice discussed the situation with the President of the Commission, Jacques Delors, since I last spoke on the issue in the House. As recently as Tuesday of this week, the President said on television that he was confident that the proposals in the plan can be fully realised. That is the real question which we must address. Can the plan be implemented? Can the ambitious targets which it sets be fulfilled? Can we use resources from the European Communities to bring hope to the many thousands who are unemployed and otherwise deprived in this country? I say that we can. The Government will ensure that the plan is fully implemented over the period to the end of the century.

Past experience shows that by presenting high quality projects Ireland is able to draw down funding very effectively. This was the case under the programme for 1989 to 1993 and it will be the case again. The mid-term review promised by Commissioner Millan will help to ensure that the quality of the programmes is recognised and funded accordingly. We must face the fact that our task now is to ensure that the plan is fully funded by the Community over the rest of this decade. By looking to the future we can, and will, achieve our aims. I have no time for recriminations. My energies, and those of the Government, must be concentrated on giving full effect to the plan. The unemployed and the deprived in our society will not settle for less.

Deputies opposite have raised the question of how our share of the funds was negotiated over the last ten months. I invested the maximum effort in getting the best deal possible for Ireland, as did the Taoiseach and the other Ministers involved. The first three months of the year were taken up with the establishment of a Cohesion Fund. This fund was put in place well in advance of the ratification of the Maastricht Treaty which provides for its establishment. It is now operating and contributing to Ireland's development. The Commission then made its proposals for the Structural Funds regulations. The regulations provide for greater flexibility in the operation of the funds. They also provide higher rates of Community financing for projects in Ireland. These changes will make the funds easier to operate and more effective than in the past. They represent a very significant advance on the previous situation — one which is of considerable importance to Ireland, as a major beneficiary.

We played a considerable part in May and June in the drafting of the regulations. The funds regulations, adopted on 20 July, do not contain figures for the amounts to be allocated to the member states. However, all member states made the adoption of the regulations conditional on agreement being reached with the Commission which would give an indication of what a member state could expect to receive from the funds for the rest of this decade.

Without these indications, it would not be possible for member states to draw up national plans or to be ready to embark on negotiations with the Commission on the Community support framework. I regarded the settlement of the amounts as my paramount objective. This involved bilateral contacts with members of the Commission, President Delors and Commissioner Millan.

On 2 July I blocked agreement on the draft regulations because the amounts being suggested in my bilateral contacts with the Commission were not satisfactory. They fell well short of what we expected in the light of the agreement on the overall level of funding for 1993 to 1999 reached at Edinburgh in December 1992.

Between that Council and the Council on 19-20 July there were intensive contacts between the Government and the Commission in an effort to find a basis for agreement. We received assurances that the Commission would address our concerns. Against this background I lifted our reserve on the draft regulations going to the European Parliament, while maintaining our reserve on their final adoption at the 20 July Council. The atmosphere at the Council on 20 July was very tense. All member states — and not just the Cohesion countries — were determined to get the best possible deal. No delegation — not least my delegation — offered any apologies for this approach. Formal sessions were relatively brief and most of the time was taken up with bilateral meetings between the member states and the Commission.

I held bilateral discussions with Commissioner Millan, President Delors, who arrived late at the Council, and with Foreign Minister Claes who presided. Although Commissioner Millan left the meeting before its conclusion, that was not, as far as I am aware, because of any disagreement with the Irish delegation. At all of these meetings and during the formal sessions I made it perfectly clear that I had to have an agreement which would accord with our understanding of Edinburgh. No one — the Presidency, the Commission or our partners — could have been in any doubt as to our bottom line. I was prepared to block the adoption of the frame work regulation and thus the package as a whole. I was fully entitled to do this as unanimity was a legal requirement for its adoption. It was against this background that the Irish delegation held its bilateral contacts with President Delors and Commission officials.

After a night of negotiation these contacts resulted in an agreement, made between President Delors and me in the presence of senior officials from both sides, that Ireland would get £7.84 billion over the period 1993 to 1999. And lest anyone think that in referring to senior officials I am seeking to hide behind them, I am not. I am utterly confident in my own recollections of what transpired, and I find it odious in the extreme that some Members of the Opposition should choose to make innuendoes about any of the people who were present on the night.

From very early in the night it was accepted that we would be capable of achieving the maximum of any agreed range because of the quality of our programmes and on the basis of past experience, given that we exceeded our indicative allocation between 1989 and 1993 by about 25 per cent. It was for that reason that all the negotiations throughout the night were concerned only with determining what the maximum of the range would be. In none of the discussions that we had were we concerned about any other point on the range. I believe then, and I still do, that the figure of £7.84 billion, once arrived at, was the figure that we would ultimately get. Other member states also reached agreements with the Commission on 20 July — agreements over which, in some cases, there has since been controversy.

All the agreements reached on the night were verbal, and Ireland expected, as we had a right to, that the Commission decision would accord with the 20 July agreement. In the period between 20 July and the beginning of this month we were aware that work was proceeding within the Commission on indicative allocations from the Structural Funds. The first signal which I received of difficulty came during a brief conversation which I had, on his initiative, with President Delors in Luxembourg on 4 October. All I learned from that conversation was that President Delors, whose responsibility it was to deliver on the 20 July agreement, was having difficulty in achieving the figure of £7.84 billion. I left the President in no doubt as to my belief that he should deliver. His expression of concern did not, and could not, justify altering the National Development Plan or our negotiating stance for the Community Support Framework to be agreed with the Commission on the basis of the plan.

I doubt if Deputies would expect any Irish Government to back away from the agreement which was reached on 20 July or to scale down our expectations in advance of the Commission's discussions on the distribution of the funds. In the meantime, of course, the Government here was working intensively on the preparation of the plan itself over many weeks. I have been intensively involved in that process myself. At all times the Commission would have been aware that the plan ultimately submitted would be based on the commitment to £7.84 billion. At no stage did the Commission ever indicate to us that they would be unable to accept such a plan. On the contrary, they have praised its qualities very fulsomely.

On Wednesday last, in a statement to the House, I outlined my position. I have total confidence that the National Development Plan will be honoured. The fact that when it met on 21 October the Commission did not allocate an indicative figure for Ireland in line with the amount of £7.84 billion is disappointing. However, as President Delors pointed out on Tuesday, there is every prospect that, in the ultimate, we will attain that figure.

I fully accept that hindsight is much better vision. I accept too that I could have saved myself some personal difficulty by introducing the word fourchette into our political language earlier. But I say this to the House, and I say it as one who believes that personal integrity is the quality that those who vote for us are most entitled to expect — I would not, and did not, knowingly mislead the House or the public.

I was satisfied on the night, and remain satisfied, that we were negotiating about a single figure, the figure that we would be entitled to expect. If I believed that we had arrived at a conclusion that would leave us entitled to expect any figure in a range from A to B, I would have said so. But if I had believed that, I would not have agreed to lift our reserve. This House is entitled to expect the truth and, as far as I am concerned, this House will always get the truth from me.

I do not see this debate over the amount of Structural Funds in terms of abstract accounting. The funds offer the Community a clear opportunity to make a real impact on unemployment, poverty and deprivation in this country for the rest of this century. The Irish Government has to maximise its share of Community development funding. This was done with the Regional Fund in 1975 and again under the Delors I Plan in 1989. We owe it to those who can benefit and whose lives can be improved to seek the maximum. Reducing unemployment has to be the Community's priority. We will be making that point again at the European Council on Friday.

That European Council has been called to make the final ratification of the Maastricht Treaty. It takes place after a long and difficult period during which it became very clear that the European electorates expected much more from their Governments than an agenda for institutional change. Their demands for action on immediate practical issues, such as unemployment, have to be heard. There are elements of the Maastricht agenda which respond to the citizens' concerns — the new chapter on education, for example. We must devise an agenda for the future based on these practical elements of the Treaty and respond to the expectations of our citizens. We should not become bogged down in a sterile debate on institutional reform of the European Union. We should certainly not take up the suggestion made by some that the balance between the big member states and the small member states be changed when there is no demonstrable need to do so.

I want a European Council and a European Union which is judged on its contribution to reviving growth and confidence. I do not want a European Council which produces acrimony among the member states over the rotation of Presidencies, or the size of a blocking minority, or whether there are too many Commissioners. Public opinion would have little respect for such an outcome.

In conclusion, I want to say this. This is a Government which has already wrought fundamental change in many of our laws and institutions. It is a Government committed to a programme in which one of the central figures will be accountability in public life. Ahead of us lies major legislative change in the area of ethics, for example, and in the area of electoral reform and freedom of information. By the time those Bills have passed, and by the time our political culture absorbs and responds to them, it will be clear that this Government is one that will leave behind a legacy of accountability. It is time that we stopped running ourselves down. In the institutions of Europe, the countries which are prepared to fight hard and fair for what they believe in and to secure a fair share of resources to address real problems, are respected, not derided. It is time we recognised that and stopped knocking ourselves. We have a job to do now, to ensure that we deserve the full £7.84 billion through the quality of our work, and to spend it wisely. I say we should get on with it.

Deputies

Hear, hear.

(Limerick-East): Like many fellow citizens I had hoped when this Government was founded that it would be a good Government. It certainly looked as if it would have the numbers to deliver the change it had advocated when it was elected. There were other reasons for the hopes of voters being raised. The Tánaiste, Deputy Spring, had been good in Opposition. He had laid down the principles for open, honest and ethical Government. I thought he would have delivered in Government. Another reason for hope was that many of the Fianna Fáil Ministers, even though they had served for a long time in this House, had little opportunity to express themselves in Government. They were only there for nine months in effect and it looked as if they also could make a major contribution. I thought this Government would be competent, effective, ethical and open and free from the nod and wink style of the previous administration. I thought it would be a departure from the Haughey legacy and we could look forward with hope to the future.

I was never taken in, however, by the attributes of the present Taoiseach. We must remember that he was ruthless enough to get rid of Mr. Haughey as well as getting Deputy O'Malley and his party out of Government and cunning enough after the Edinburgh Summit to entangle the Labour Party in his web. I was never taken in by his "softly softly, catches monkey" approach or his one page style. I am not taken in by it now either; but I think the Tánaiste, who has now left the House, would be well advised to equip himself with a long spoon for his future dealings with the present Taoiseach.

Perhaps a fourchette.

(Limerick-East): Whatever about his outward demeanour, the present Taoiseach is a tough ticket, as tough as you are likely to find in Irish politics. So nobody should be fooled. I thought the Tánaiste went into Government with his eyes open.

I am disappointed at the performance. All the fine principles enunciated during its three years in Opposition to the last Government seem to have been forgotten as soon as the Government was formed. The early weeks of the Government was epitomised by a rampant deluge of patronage and nepotism, led by the Labour Party, against every principle enunciated in Opposition. The first weeks in Government were dominated by daily announcements in the newspapers of such a relation, friend or supporter being appointed to some level of the Administration.

We expected an open Government where according to the Taoiseach, the light would be allowed in. However, at the beef tribunal the person who made most allegations in the House could not repeat them on the basis that he did not want to reveal his sources. I made no allegation in that regard in this House, but on the day I gave evidence at the tribunal I cast more light on events than the Tánaiste bearing in mind all his allegations. We are not getting open government, we are back to the old nod and wink type of Administration which was typical of Fianna Fáil and seemed to be at variance with the stated positions of the Labour Party.

It is curious that so soon after the formation of the Government Fianna Fáil and Labour Ministers have become almost indistinguishable. There are variations in tone and mood, of course, but the Minister for Enterprise and Employment is the classic example because people are not sure to which party he belongs. Deputy Quinn's style of approach to Government is very Fianna Fáil. Deputies may recall that one of Julius Caesar's opponents said "he doth bestride the narrow world like a colossus" and those words remind me of Deputy Quinn.

What about Brutus?

(Limerick East): As I stated recently, if the Ministers for Finance and Enterprise and Employment swopped positions without any announcement from the Government's Press Secretariat, nobody would know for at least a year because their personalities are so merged that there is no difference in their policies.

That is because we jointly negotiated for our parties.

(Limerick East): That is correct and the Minister started that negotiation a long time ago. I recall him positively courting the Minister across the floor of this House during debates on finance Bills.

Indecently?

(Limerick East): No, very decently. Deputy Rabbitte and I were amazed at the performance, but we did not believe it would go the distance.

I tried with Deputy Noonan, but he did not listen.

(Limerick East): We did not believe Deputy Quinn was an eligible partner for the Minister but then the ways of God are strange and the ways of love and arrangements are even stranger.

Notwithstanding the existence of a fourchette.

(Limerick East): The Programme for Government gave some reason for hope also. There are many objectives in that programme which we all welcome and that was evident in the House not dividing on many issues in that programme. However, in a curious way it is drowned by its own minutiae and while we could all support many of its interesting details it lacks a general thrust to address the key problems of Irish society.

That is particularly true in the area of economics, but we should not be amazed at that because the Labour Party in Opposition did not develop an independent economic policy. The traditional Labour Party strategy of pointing to some fashionable East European model disappeared as soon as the Berlin Wall came down. It did not take any stand on economic policy and it was inevitable that the economic position of the Labour Party would become absorbed into the Fianna Fáil position as soon as the Government was formed.

In terms of economic policy this Government is indistinguishable from the identity of the previous Government. That is very pecular because the partners on the last occasion, the Progressive Democrats, were supposed to be a right wing party and the partners on this occasion are supposed to be a left wing party and have far greater numbers. The number increased from four to 33, yet economic policy is running along the same lines with the same objectives and is singularly failing to address the main problems of this country.

What about Fine Gael's economic policy? It is a secret.

(Limerick East): Fine Gael's economic policy is not relevant at present because we are not in Government, but what the Labour Party stands for is extremely relevant because every time it makes a decision it sentences more people on to the live register. We look forward to events affecting the Deputy's constituency when a decision is taken in respect of Aer Lingus in a few weeks' time.

This Government has made no attempt to address the main problems facing the country, particularly the large numbers on the live register and the continuing emigration, which is running at 17,000 or 18,000 a year. That may be some consolation for the Government, but it is not an economic strategy.

Expectations were raised also in regard to Dáil reform, but any honest Deputy will admit that the approach to the committee system has been devious and dishonest. Rather than opening up the House and making it more relevant the committee system is a deliberate attempt to bury debate, to take contentious issues off the floor of the House and bury them away from the light of day and media attention. The way the committees are operating at present is a hindrance to parliamentary democracy. That would be acceptable if it happened by accident, but it is a deliberate policy on behalf of the Government. For example, the Government referred the Glackin report to a committee which did not have the power to deal with it.

Because the Government had such a large majority and proposed to deal with the problems of this country, all men and women of goodwill were prepared to give it a chance; but that optimism is gone. I am disappointed in the Government, particularly in the Labour Party, because it is making no significant input apart from the area of social reform, about which there is almost unanimous agreement in this House.

The Deputy is disappointed he does not have control over spending £7 billion.

(Limerick East): Deputy Broughan is starting to talk like a Fianna Fáil man. The Government is all about piggy-bank money and how it is spent, lashing it into projects and massaging the electorate with £1 million here and £1 million there; but there is no attempt to address the fundamental problems facing the country.

That débâcle has triggered today's confidence motion, but apart from that narrow issue there are wider reasons why an Opposition would lose confidence in this Government. I am making out the ground for the Government. It can expect future attacks on that ground because it is not performing well in a wide range of areas. The Labour Party's identity has been totally merged with Fianna Fáil and it will face problems as it proceeds.

The narrow issue we are debating today involves the three main players in Government — the Taoiseach, the Tánaiste and the Minister for Finance. It goes to the foundation of the Government because this is the dowry on which the Government was founded. This is the money which the Taoiseach waved in the air when he returned from Edinburgh and which attracted the Labour Party. The Government was dishonest from the start.

The then Commissioner, Ray Mac-Sharry, signalled clearly, both on and off the record in December, that the totality of commitments to individual Governments in Edinburgh exceeded the amount of money available and that Ireland would not receive what the Taoiseach claimed it would. Bruce Millan and his Cabinet stated throughout the spring and summer that the money was not available and that there would be a significant shortfall in Ireland's share. Nevertheless, throughout the spring, summer and autumn a plan was drawn up based on figures which turned out to be fraudulent.

The Tánaiste in his wisdom decided to get entangled in the web woven by the Taoiseach on 20 July at the meeting of the Commission. I do not know whether people in this House have questioned the veracity of the Tánaiste. In his speech he claims he speaks the truth, and I accept his veracity, but he was outmanoeuvred on 20 July. The key issue on that day was that Ireland put a veto on the table and everyone was stuck. They could not get any kind of arrangement until the veto was removed. Monsieur Jacques Delors got out of his sick bed — his sciatica was at him and he was not in a great mood for small talk in any language. He arrived into a bar in the building at 5.30 a.m. and had a chat with the Tánaiste. They returned to the meeting and everyone clapped. Of course they did, because the veto was withdrawn. If anyone thought they clapped at the cleverness of the Irish delegation, they would want to think again. It was not the fancy footwork they admired. Effectively they were saying "The veto has been withdrawn, Delors has taken out the Irish and we can all go home to bed, thanks be to God".

All the quality British newspapers were fully briefed by the Commission, particularly by people in Commissioner Bruce Millan's office. They confirmed that Ireland would not get the £7.8 billion and suggested that something had had to be done on the night to keep the Irish happy. I am not saying that the Tánaiste did not speak the truth, just that he was outmanoeuved. The Tánaiste should not then have tried to wrap the integrity of senior civil servants around him by indicating that because the Secretary to the Government and the Ambassador to Brussels and the EC were there, he had to be telling the truth. Civil servants should not be used as a shield or as some kind of armour, especially when they cannot speak for themselves. For the first three weeks the Minister of State at the Department of Finance, Deputy Eithne Fitzgerald, has been wheeling out, in defence of the Tánaiste, Mr. Paddy Teenon and Mr. Paddy Mac-Kernan as if they were Cúchulainn and Finn MacCumhaill rolled into one. That is a new practice. Fair dues to the Minister for Finance, at least he fought his battles on his own and never put a line of civil servants between him and the public whenever we were debating anything. It should not happen, because they cannot reply. It is not reasonable to expect the Tánaiste to get a written agreement at 5.30 a.m. from Mr. Jacques Delors who was suffering from sciatica; but it would be reasonable when they went back into the plenary session for the Tánaiste, who knows that the Commission operate collegially and not individually, to mention the agreement and get it recorded as a decision. If the Tánaiste thought that was a bit much at 6 a.m., he could have followed another strategy frequently practised in Brussels — everybody could have gone home and he could have written a polite letter to Monsieur Jacques Delors, including a minute of the discussion in the bar at 5.30 a.m., and that minute would have included the figure of £7.8 billion. That is normal procedure — what civil servants do all of the time. I do not see why there was no attempt either to get a collective decision and have it recorded at the plenary session when they went back in from the meeting on the margins, or why they did not get it the following day. It seems that the Tánaiste, who is extremely busy, who has a lot of jobs to do in different parts of the world to which he must attend personally, was outmanoeuvered.

Does the Deputy believe Jacques Delors?

(Limerick East): I will come to that now. The worst part of this does not relate to 20 July, but to the publication of the National Development Plan. If we are talking about honesty I cannot see how the Taoiseach, the Tánaiste and the Minister for Finance, all of whom now say that they knew that there was a doubt about the exact amount of money, could publish a plan based on definitive figures and allow that plan to be debated here without pointing out to the House at a minimum that these fundamental figures were less than certain. That is where the dishonesty comes in. This House was misled.

When we hear from various officials in Brussels that the Minister for Finance made some kind of request not to have the announcement made that we would not get what we thought we would get because he did not want to embarrass the Government and the House, an explanation is required from the Minister for Finance. Of course, spreading the blame has been occurring now for three weeks and the Tániste two days ago decided to spread it further by saying that he went to the Taoiseach a week before the debate and told him that these figures were now in doubt and that there could be a significant shortfall.

The shortfall is very significant at £600 million. It triggers a certain amount of matching funds, which I doubt will be put up independently of drawing down money from Europe. Therefore, the shortfall in the plan is somewhere in the region of £900 million. That is an enormous amount of money and it undermines the arithmetic of the plan. It also shatters confidence. Those who framed the plan are depending on the private sector to invest £4 billion to make up the £20 billion of the plan. It is clear that the public will not have any confidence in an administration whose Taoiseach, Tánaiste and Minister for Finance are not sure of the figure and will publish a plan which falls so short, in terms of money, of what is actually in the plan. There is a serious problem there.

The relationship with the Commission has been damaged. The fact that a Government Deputy, Deputy Broughan, has asked whether Jacques Delors can be believed shows that damage has been inflicted.

There is a serious problem.

(Limerick East): There is a serious problem when Deputies in this House on behalf of the Government are questioning the veracity of the President of the Commission.

He is a lame duck.

He is a fellow socialist.

(Limerick East): A lame duck President is right, but he was the man the Government relied on to deliver the deal. This issue is extremely serious, especially in circumstances where the Government will be going shortly to get the agreement of the Commission to invest £175 million in terms of equity in Aer Lingus. Many people oppose that, both at home and abroad.

The credibility of the Government has received a fatal blow. Its leading Members have little credibility left and the explanations given by the Taoiseach and the Tánaiste today do not restore that credibility. We do not have confidence in this Government.

Much has been said and written in the past week about the shortfall in expectations of EC funding. Perhaps it is time to focus for a while on what is being achieved in regard to the National Development Plan. We are guaranteed, as a minimum, an allocation of the order of £2,000 for every person in this country. This is well ahead of the allocations being made to the other so-called cohesion countries, Greece, Portugal and Spain. The comparable figures for those member states would be approximately £1,600 for Greece, £1,550 for Portugal and £1,300 for the Objective 1 regions in Spain. We are being given an unrivalled opportunity to improve the capacity of the economy for the longer term and to provide jobs that are so badly needed.

In the heat of the argument about precise figures let us not lose sight of what has been achieved and the obligation that is on all of us to ensure that the funds under discussion here are used to the best possible advantage. In doing this we will be building on the successes that have been achieved through the use of the Structural Funds in the past. The present Community Support Framework has been independently assessed by the Economic and Social Research Institute as making a significant and lasting difference to living standards in Ireland. The short-term demand side effects of the EC aid will raise GDP by 2.5 per cent and GNP by 3.5 per cent in 1993. The long-term supply side effects of the EC aid element will build up over a period and will raise the level of GDP by 0.8 per cent and GNP by 1.1 per cent by the year 2000. This is estimated as representing a real rate of return of between 7 per cent and 8 per cent on the investment of the EC resources. This is an extremely high rate of return. The EC aid element is estimated to give a demand-side effect of 30,000 jobs in 1993 and to lead to a long-term supply side benefit which would raise average employment by 10,000. These results compare very favourably with the position in other Objective I regions of the European Community.

This debate is about how close we can get to an EC aid figure of £8 billion. A year ago, just before the Edinburgh Council, there were many critics who ridiculed our ambition and forecast that Ireland's share would be very far short of £6 billion over a five year period which was our target at the time.

The centrepiece of the National Development Plan is employment. I would remind the House again of the figures. We have a target of up to 200,000 jobs gross. After making provision for job losses this will translate into net nonagricultural job growth of between 70,000 and 100,000 in the period up to 1999.

The central objective of the National Development Plan is to ensure the best long-term return for the economy by increasing output, economic potential and long-term jobs. It is further designed to reintegrate the long-term unemployed and those at high risk of becoming so into the economic mainstream.

The plan sets out the Government's strategy to achieve the national and European Community objective of greater economic and social cohesion. The basic elements of that strategy are first, investment in the growth potential of the economy in industry, in tourism and services, in agriculture and natural resources; second, investment in the country's productive infrastructure to improve the capacity and competitiveness of the economy; third, investment in the development of the skills of our people through education and training in order to increase productivity and growth capacity; and fourth, a special increased emphasis on harnessing local community leadership and local initiative.

This strategy will be given effect by a wide range of carefully selected development measures. These include the extension and development of existing programmes of investment in areas such as transport, industry, agriculture, forestry, fisheries, tourism, water and sanitary services, education and training, all of which are of importance to the economy. The plan also includes a number of areas of new and increased emphasis including a new local development programme targeted at areas of high long-term unemployment, greater support for the development of indigenous industry, a major programme of investment in the food industry, new initiatives in the tourism sector, including developments in culture and heritage, tourism angling and marketing, substantial progress on the implementation of the Dublin Transportation Initiative, upgrading of the national rail network, increased investment in regional and county roads and strategic investments in the energy and communications sectors.

A key feature of the plan will be the integrated development of areas of high long-term unemployment economic marginalisation and social exclusion through a new local development programme. This will be targeted at areas where these problems are most acute.

This new programme will mobilise the energies of local communities, with support from public agencies, to rebuild their economic potential, create new local job opportunities, develop local enterprise and produce a substantial improvement in the community life and the physical environment of the areas concerned.

As the Plan was explained in detail in the debate a fortnight ago I do not propose to go back over the same ground. The plan will be implemented in full and there is no intention or no necessity to revise it. Let us remember that it provides for a total spending programme of £20 billion. The guaranteed contribution from the European Community is lower than we had a right to expect but the amount in contention is only a relatively small proportion of the total expenditure and we should keep this in perspective.

We should bear in mind also what happened on the last occasion when I was a member of the negotiating team. Even though it was agreed that we would receive £2.85 billion we eventually received £3.4 billion. At that stage the outside figure was probably £3.6 billion. The most important point, however, is that the EC guarantee is only a minimum figure. In a public statement last week the President of the Commission acknowledged that the opportunity is there for us to achieve an increase in this allocation. He also indicated that he considers the plan to be "excellent and full of promise for Ireland's economic and social development". Earlier this week the President confirmed that it is possible for Ireland to achieve more than the minimum figure on the basis of the past performance and good programmes in the plan.

What the European Commission approved last week was not just a precise figure for Ireland but rather an indicative allocation. In layman's terms this means effectively a range. We are assured of the minimum, provided of course that we submit good quality projects that meet the criteria laid down for disbursement of Structural Funds. We are used to this; we have done so, successfully, on a number of occasions. However, the possibility of improving on this is open to us and this has been acknowledged by spokespersons for the Commission. This reality has been largely overlooked in recent debate. In his public statement the President of the Commission said he hoped that Ireland's allocation would be increased in the light of the results achieved on implementation of our programmes. Halfway through the period of the plan there will be a review by the Commission of the operation of Structural Funds programmes in the various member states. The Commission will make adjustments, where appropriate, and it will have the authority to make transfers. This is of major significance to us. I was responsible for five years for the distribution of the money received under the European Social Fund and was aware of the many advantages that would have been gained by this country if the Commission had authority during the period 1989-93 to make transfers. It now has that authority. This fact has been overlooked even though it represents a major change. The Commissioner for Regional Affairs has also acknowledged that the opportunity is there for us to improve on the minimum.

In short, the bottom line is the quality of the programmes that comprise our plan and our ability to negotiate with the Commission. Our record is very good. Over the period 1989 to 1993 the high quality of the Irish programmes resulted in an outturn which exceeded the initial indicative allocation. The original Community Support Framework allocation in 1989 was £2.85 billion and with Community initiatives the total EC aid would have been forecast at just over £3 billion. In fact we received £3.4 billion in current prices. I am confident that we can repeat this performance and, indeed, better it. I am confident that the proposals in our plan can be fully realised and that they can provide the basis on which Ireland can achieve the maximum of the range settled by the Commission.

We are now finalising the operational programmes which are the implementing mechanisms of the plan. The Minister of State and I are taking action in this regard. These will be submitted to the European Commission shortly. There are outlines of the programmes in the plan. The present Community Support Framework has 12 operational programmes plus a number of programmes approved before 1989 and Community-wide measures in the agricultural area which were not programmed. We are proposing to streamline things in the next round and are proposing ten operational programmes. The details of the programme structure are a matter to be discussed with the Commission services and both sides will be striving to ensure that the most efficient and practical structure is put in place. Negotiations will get under way with the Commission in the immediate future towards settling the Community Support Framework for Ireland. The CSF will be, in effect, the agreement between the Commission and the Irish authorities on the various expenditure profiles in relation to the different sectors of activity. It will be the guideline to determine the precise amounts of funds that will flow to Ireland under each heading. I cannot put a definite time limit on the conclusion of these negotiations; the general expectation is that they will be concluded at the beginning of the new year. There will be no delays on transfers of funds and Deputies can be assured that we will be in a position to draw down our full entitlement for 1994.

In regard to the indicative allocation for the operational programmes the point has been made that there is no substance to the plan which will be examined this week by the Commission. In regard to the Community Support Framework we will put forward our plans and try to convince the Commission that these will be of value for those areas which have been excluded, agriculture and the environment. If we can do this successfully we can reach the figures. That is how we managed to receive an extra £600 million on the last occasion. That is how we will do it this time. Under the various headings we have a far better case than any other member state and particularly the Cohesion states. It is a pity that that has been conveniently forgotten. I recall the former Taoiseach, Charles Haughey, saying in this House at the end of 1989 that at the end of the programme we will have achieved about £3.5 million. He is not here to say it now, but that is what was achieved.

I do not anticipate any undue difficulties in the negotiations with the Commission. For the greater part these will be conducted at official level. I cannot say to what extent ministerial involvement will be required but both I and the Minister of State, Deputy Fitzgerald, will be on hand and fully involved when we are required.

The plan is more than a vehicle for EC funding. It is a development package that covers the whole economy and it includes a substantial investment from the private sector. Its success is not dependent on EC funding alone. The impression may have been created, in recent days in particular, that the plan is about EC funds and no more. There is, as I said earlier, a total expenditure of £20 billion. Perhaps the most important influence of all in determining the success of the plan will be the overall management of the economy.

In this context I want to emphasise in particular our ability to maintain a strong competitive position. I said earlier on publication of the plan that, for every 1 per cent gain in competitiveness that we can sustain, we stand to gain an extra 4,000 jobs. This statistic alone underlines how critical it is that we be competitive and that pay policies and other policies give this priority. By comparison with our European partners our economic performance is very good. We will have a growth rate of approximately 2¾ per cent this year, well ahead of the European average. Our inflation continues to be among the lowest in the Community. Our budget outturn will be on target. These are all strong plus factors which improve the climate for creating jobs. Interest rates continue to be on a downward trend and the general expectation througout Europe is that rates will drop significantly further. This is good news.

Overall we have a very good foundation on which to maximise the opportunities that are presented to us in the National Development Plan. We have an opportunity to transform the economy and it would surely be more productive to work on this opportunity than spending our time in acrimony about the precise levels of EC assistance. The Irish public are concerned about results. They want to know what expectations can be in relation to jobs and general living standards. They are not preoccupied about the finer points of negotiation with the EC Commission.

This brings me to the sequence of events in relation to my contact with the President of the European Commission. I want to set the record straight on this. The National Development Plan was formally submitted by me and the Minister of State at my Department to the European Commission on Friday, 8 October. We made the presentation to the Commissioner for Regional Policy who has overall responsibility for the disbursement of Structural Funds. On that occason the Commissioner told us that he was having difficulty with the Irish proposal on the share-out of Structural Funds and that he could not envisage a total of £7.84 billion being guaranteed. This was not news to us. The Commissioner has been saying consistenly that there was a problem. I left him in no doubt, however, that we expected that the understanding that had been reached on 20 July would be honoured in full and that we would receive £7.84 billion as agreed.

Subsequently I attended the informal ECOFIN meeting outside Brussels. On the margin of this meeting on Saturday, 9 October, I was approached by the President of the Commission in relation to the share-out of Structural Funds. He indicated to me that figures would be brought to the Commission for decision shortly. He added that there were problems in relation to the share-out between the four cohesion countries and that this called into question the allocation expected by Ireland. He did not discuss specific figures with me.

The President was aware that our plan had been submitted the previous day and that it was due to be launched publicly at home on the following Monday, 11 October. He mentioned that the next meeting of the Commission would be in the following week and that the figures must be finalised either then or soon thereafter. I am at a loss to know why the impression was given that I suggested to the President that the decision be delayed. There was absolutely no reason for this; there was no advantage to be gained. From my point of view the question of a postponement being sought by me did not arise. Once the plan was published on Monday all the figures would be in the public domain and this would obviously precede any meeting of the Commission. It would have been far more convenient if the Commission had reached a decison between 20 July and October. Yet there was no indication from the Commission, apart from the comments from the Commission for Regional Policy, during this extended period.

In our brief conversation I did make one point to the President. I told him that our plan had been prepared on the basis of a Community contribution of £7.84 billion for the period 1993-99, as agreed on 20 July. This agreement was made in good faith. It allowed Ireland to lift its objection to adoption of the regulations on Structural Funds and the Irish Government expected that the agreement would be honoured. Before I leave this issue let me put it on record that I have always had and I continue to have excellent relations with the President and the Commissioner for Regional Policy and their staffs.

This Government has been criticised for its so-called begging bowl approach to our negotiations with the Community. This is inaccurate and unfounded. The fact of the matter is that the process of economic integration, though it undoubtedly brings very substantial potential gains for the whole area in question, also carries substantial risks for Ireland and for the other peripheral regions of the Community. With greater integration there is inevitably greater drift towards the centre unless definite steps are taken to counteract this.

We have seen that this very year in regard to VAT at the point of entry and tax harmonisation. All the difficulties we must deal with in the current financial year are part of European integration. We have taken that medicine on board and we are rightly entitled to argue for Structural Cohesion Funds to balance our position. It is our job to negotiate. I have constantly attended European meetings over six or seven years and on issues of money and concessions everybody fights tooth and nail. We would be strongly criticised if we did not do that.

The very existence of the Community funds is a practical recognition of the fact that in the absence of countervailing policies, the very processes of integration tend to worsen regional economic disparities. This arises because the central regions of the Community enjoy many advantages over the peripheral regions. Economic resources tend to cluster around the core, enabling the central regions to benefit more from economies of scale in production, lower distribution costs and easier access to ancillary services of all kinds. This is an automatic, self-repeating process which is reinforced as barriers to trade and to the mobility of capital are removed as part of the move towards full economic integration.

The reality of this process is a fact of economic life. When members of this Government and officials from the various Departments of State discuss Community funding with Community officials and with representatives of other member states, they are most emphatically not doing so on the basis of a "begging bowl" approach. They do so from a position of entitlement to share in the fruits of economic integration. The net contributing countries, for their part, recognise that such transfers are warranted by the impact of economic integration on the outlying regions. They also act out of self-interest, knowing that the tendency for resources to drift to the core leads to many problems for the core, such as overcrowded and polluted cities and roads.

It is fair to say that when the 12 member states and the representatives of the Community institutions sit down to discuss these questions, all concerned are acting from enlightened self-interest. That is what we are there for. We are not there simply to consider the overall Community in the year 2050 or to sit on our hands and wonder how our people back home, our taxpayers and our unemployed people, take it. We act in self-interest and argue our case on that basis. There is no question of funds being distributed to countries which have been "good Europeans" and there is no question of anyone holding out a begging bowl. All concerned are participating in a process which at the end of the day brings benefit to each and every participant. It is all part of the move towards a more closely integrated Europe, which the Irish people voted for last year and stongly support, and to the shared ideals which underlie our joint efforts. Certainly, there is some hard dealing and some tough talking. That, too, is part of the process and everybody concerned has learned how to live with it. Let us recall that over the years Ireland has fared very well indeed in the process, as can be demonstrated from the funding which we receive per capita.

I now turn to the National Development Plan itself. I hope that after today we can put behind us the recriminations about the details of discussion with the Commission and concentrate our energies on the real issues. This plan provides an opportunity to narrow the gap in economic terms between us and the more developed countries of the Community. It provides us with the opportunity to improve employment prospects. We do not have to wait for years to see results; we can make a definite impact in 1994. Again, I want to underline the importance of other policies. I cannot over-emphasise the significance of wage restraint and the trade off between wage increases and employment. The Government for its part is committed to continued discipline in the management of the public finances.

There is one element outside our control and this is the international environment. With some exceptions, the general pattern has been slow growth, recession and rising unemployment. Europe has been particularly bad in this respect. There are signs of decided improvement. The European Community has finally woken up to the need for growth; it has recognised the problem of unemployment as a priority. The growth initiative was discussed at the Council meeting in December. Beginnings have been made at Edinburgh and Copenhagen towards looking for a solution and the forthcoming White Paper on growth and employment will, I hope, have some positive results. It is encouraging to see German interest rates moving downwards; this has triggered a general reduction across Europe. There are distinct signs of economic improvement in the UK under practically all headings. Overall the outlook is better than it has been for some time, though I must sound a word of caution about excessive expectations. The outside world will not provide the answer to our problems. The real test is our ability to manage our affairs domestically and to work in harmony in tackling unemployment. The National Development Plan has a big contribution to make; it deserves and it needs universal support. This Government will implement it in the years ahead and will receive its due rewards for so doing.

(Carlow-Kilkenny): I wish to share my time with Deputy Frances Fitzgerald and Deputy Michael Creed.

Is that satisfactory? Agreed.

(Carlow-Kilkenny): This discussion and the Taoiseach's speech, which would not do justice to a story in Our Boys, has failed to make any effort to answer the problems that have arisen due to the fiasco of the so-called £8 billion. The Taoiseach attacked people who had nothing to do with the negotiations. That was a bluff to ensure he did not have to answer any of the accusations made. We are not belittling the fact that £7.2 billion is a lot of money, but that is not the reason for this debate. The reason for this confidence debate relates to the way the matter has been handled by the Taoiseach, the Tánaiste, the Minister for Finance and the Minister of State at the Department of Finance, who proceeded with a plan when they clearly knew the money was not available. They decided they would bluff their way until Europe got so frustrated that it blew the cover off all their discussions. The Taoiseach's statement that the £8 billion was in the bag and the Tánaiste's statement that he was 100 per cent certain ring very hollow when we hear them trying to blame people, giving no explanation to the public or the Dáil.

The Taoiseach referred to the last negotiations. The Sunday Press of last Sunday states:

Mr. Reynolds got much of the political credit when Ireland secured £2.8 billion from the Structural Funds for the 1989-92 era and still boasts that he led the Irish negotiations. History will show that the three key players in those negotiations were former Taoiseach, Charles Haughey, former head of the Department of the Taoiseach, Padraig Ó hUiginn, and former Agriculture Commissioner, Ray MacSharry.

To his eternal credit the former Taoiseach, Mr. Haughey, obviously would not let the present Taoiseach loose in Europe at that time to negotiate the funds. It looks as if he was very wise because having been let loose in Edinburgh he came back with a cock and bull story that nobody can accept.

When talking about things coming out of bags we think of people such as Paul Daniels who entertains us and always produces the goods when on television. Our bag did not contain the £8 billion it was supposed to contain — the figure is much less. The Taoiseach and the Minister for Finance claim that the quality of this submission will ensure further money. Will that logic apply also to county council submissions? Will county councils, because of the quality of their submissions to a certain Department, receive extra money? We all know that county councils are receiving no money and the whole structure is drying up. The Taoiseach should be consistent. I hope county councils submissions will be recognised for their quality and that they will receive extra money.

I am amazed that the Minister for Finance, having made three or four statements, has still not categorically denied that he made any suggestion to President Delors about postponing the submission. On one occasion he said he has not that much influence in Europe, on another occasion he said it could have been a misunderstanding and today he says it does not make sense to him. The Minister for Finance should state openly that he never, under any circumstances, asked for postponement of the submission. The sooner he does so the sooner his credibility will be restored. Nobody believes the double talk we hear from him at present.

When a man of the standing of President Delors', a man with great diplomatic skills, is so frustrated as to speak on television about lies and liars when referring to members of a Government, something has gone extremely wrong at EC level. He was so frustrated at the way he was treated by our ambassadors abroad that he could not keep his cool any longer. It is regrettable that we do so much damage to ourselves. We treat the Dáil with inpunity. Ministers speak on "The Pat Kenny Show" and hold press conferences, but we do not hear a word in this House. Perhaps we should put some three-in-one-oil on Standing Order 30 because it is rusting away from lack of use. Nothing ever seems to be important enough to warrant a discussion in this Parliament, but matters are discussed on the radio and elsewhere.

The people who believed that the Tánaiste, Deputy Spring, would fulfil the promise of new standards in high places are gravely disappointed. It has been proved that double talk, despite all the rhetoric and pretence before the last election.

Tabling a motion of no confidence in the Government is a serious issue. It should act as a warning to Government that it is breaking the rules of parliamentary democracy. There are serious issues at stake here and I hope all sides will refrain from using the occasion simply to indulge in personal abuse or to settle old and pointless scores. There is something much more serious at stake. I have no confidence in this Government because its cynical attitude to democracy and to the Dáil is eroding faith in the democratic process. It is extraordinary that the Minister for Finance came in here this morning and said, when referring to the allocation; "This was not news to us". If this was not news to him, why was there an emergency flight to Brussels, why was the National Development Plan launched in Dublin Castle on the basis of an other figure and why did seven Ministers come into this House and talk as if the figure had been agreed? So far as I am concerned, that is double talk.

It is not the majority of the Government which poses the greatest threat to the health of this democracy; rather it is the state of mind and approach of the Fianna Fáil and Labour Parties in this Coalition Government which represents the greatest threat to our political democracy. I say this because in order to flourish democracy needs transparency and accountability, but this has not been the case under the leadership of the Taoiseach and Tánaiste and Minister for Foreign Affairs. Under the leadership of the Taoiseach, Deputy Albert Reynolds, we have seen much of what was evident in Thatcherite Britain — a gradual tightening of the noose on Government transparency. We have seen evidence of this again in recent events, and the public know it.

The main reason I have no confidence in the Government is that when we speak of transparency and democratic politics we are not merely speaking about institutions; we are speaking of language. That is the central feature of democratic politics. Even though they are very cynical about politicians, the public should expect us to speak openly and use words which are clear. The words we use should not contain hidden meanings and we should not speak with forked tongues. Unfortunately, many politicians no longer speak openly. Words no longer means what they seem to mean, language means the opposite, £8 billion means £7.8 billion, £7.8 billion means £7.2 billion and £7.2 billion means something else. We have seen evidence of this yet again in the Taoiseach's speech this morning. More examples include the National Development Plan which was launched before it was debated in this House. The plan was never openly presented to the public in the way it should have been so that there would be an open discussion, as happened in the case of Northern Ireland where voluntary groups were involved in the development plan at all stages prior to its being sent to Brussels. By-elections have not been held, unemployment figures can be 290,000 or 300,000, there is no proper record of the number of women unemployed — whatever figure one wishes to choose is correct. The freezing of grants limits educational opportunities. There are delays and avoidance in regard to abortion information and divorce. Voting for change has meant, in effect, the creation of a political system where truth and lies are no longer valid concepts and politicians are instead economical with the truth. We urgently need an ethics Bill. This type of Government is dangerous because it breeds cynicism and turns people against democracy.

During the forties and fifties people voted with their feet against Governments — they emigrated. People are moving away from politics today because they are cynical and have a lack of belief in politicians. These people are emigrating from the ballot box, so to speak. Why should we be surprised that people are losing faith in politics and politicians? This lack of faith is dangerous and this Government, through its actions in recent weeks, bears a heavy responsibility for further eroding people's belief in politics.

The second most important feature of political life is accountability. In democratic societies parliament represents the centre of accountability where governments justify their actions and seek approval. This Government is unique among all Irish Governments in its total lack of respect for the Dáil. As a new Deputy, I have felt this lack of respect in recent months, and I was very interested to hear more experienced colleagues of mine who have been Members of this House for many years say that this has indeed been the case during this session of the Dáil. Leaders such as Cosgrave, de Valera, Costelloe, Lemass and FitzGerald all respected the Dáil and held themselves accountable to it. The Taoiseach and Tánaiste represent a shining exception to this list of leaders: puffed with pride, they look at their majority and ask, "Why should we explain, justify or be accountable to the Dáil?". It is not correct to adopt this approach to the Dáil or to claim they will always win the vote.

There has to be national Government on the question of EC Structural Funds. I should like to know why the Opposition did not get the briefing on Northern Ireland which it asked for. Whose sensitivities did the Government rely on? The Taoiseach, the Tánaiste and the Minister for Finance have cost this country much more than £600 million. We should make no mistake about it, many local communities will suffer and watch their projects die. Even more serious, the pride and ego of the Taoiseach, the Tánaiste and the Minister for Finance have cost us generations of goodwill which has been built up by more able diplomatic practitioners. This Government no longer believes it is accountable to the Dáil and I can have no confidence in a Government and a Foreign Minister who behave in this manner.

I welcome the opportunity to contribute to this motion of no confidence in the Government, which I wholeheartedly support. While it is inevitable that the initial contributions to this debate will concentrate on the issue which gave rise to the tabling of this motion, it should be remembered that this Government has shown its incompetence across a whole range of issues. Indeed, it could also be charged with being indifferent.

With regard to the issue which gave rise to this motion, the Taoiseach used a very clever ploy on his return from the Edinburgh Summit when he said that £8 billion was the equivalent of £3 million per day over the period of the plan. This no confidence motion was tabled because it is now clear that we have lost £600 million of that money. To use the Taoiseach's ploy in reverse, if my mathematics are reasonably correct, that is equivalent to losing in excess of £250,000 a day for every day of the duration of the plan. I wish to endorse a point made by my colleague, Deputy Browne, in regard to Standing Order 30 which provides for a suspension of Dáil proceedings to discuss a matter of pressing national importance. If the loss of £600 million or £250,000 every day over a six-year period does not constitute a matter of pressing national importance, then it is high time this House and the Committee on Procedure and Privileges re-examined this Standing Order so that this House is not brought into disrepute.

The triumvirate involved in this débâcle, the Taoiseach, the Tánaiste and the Minister for Finance, are being paid top dollar by Irish taxpayers and they cannot feign indignation when odium is heaped upon them for the incompetent way in which they dealt with this matter. When one is paid top dollar, one deserves to be judged by the highest of standards. The yardstick against which their handling of this issue has to be measured is ability, ethics, accountability and transparency. All of them have failed in those terms. The negotiation of a deal of such magnitude and importance without having it in the bag, as we were assured, was nothing short of disgraceful and incompetent. Their attempts to evade their responsibilities and to avoid being accountable and transparent in their transactions by seeking to have the Com-mission's deliberations on the final allocation postponed until such time as they could milk the issue for what it was worth politically and launch the National Development Plan were scandalous in terms of their disregard and contempt for parliamentary democracy. The attempts made to perpetrate that indecency on this House was an insult to the electorate at large. The Taoiseach, the Tánaiste and the Minister for Finance have failed in terms of ability, ethics, transparency and accountability.

When the Government was formed many commentators reflected on the fact that it had the largest majority of any Government in the history of the State and comparisons were inevitably made with other Government majorities of immense proportions. I refer specifically to the Government led by Jack Lynch from 1977 to 1981. A Government majority of this size places a tremendous responsibility on us in Opposition to ensure that it is kept on its toes, that it is made accountable for its every action and that the transparency which was promised with the arrival of the Labour Party in Government would be lived up to. Unfortunately, in one fell swoop the Minister for Finance has blown out of the water all claims of transparency and ethics in Government by the manner in which he treats this Assembly in terms of being accountable to the Members of this House and, through us, accountable to the public at large.

Seeking to have the deliberations of the Commission postponed was an insult to the Members of this House and to the public at large. It raises also the question as to where the National Development Plan now stands because that is the blueprint which was milked for all it was worth for two or three days until this blew up in the Government's face. It is on the contents of the National Development Plan that we hope to draw down £7.2 billion. That is a huge amount of money and we must be grateful for it, but the principle that is involved in this confidence motion is the Government's incompetence in its handling of that matter and its unwillingness to be accountable and transparent in all of its transactions regarding these funds.

What are the specific proposals contained in it that will now have to be dropped? In regard to the £250,000 for every day of the six years of the duration of the National Development Plan, what projects will not now proceed because of that? They are the essential questions that have failed to be answered by any Government Minister. We are led to believe that because of reviews in the progress of drawing down these funds we will eventually receive the £8 billion. If that is correct, then the Taoiseach's £8 billion which he said he had secured on his return from Edinburgh could perhaps have become £8.6 billion or £9 billion over the period. This attempt at whitewashing is an insult to the intelligence of the electorate and to the Members of this House.

Undoubtedly, the Government has also damaged our relations with members of the Commission. It is interesting to note at this time the Commission is considering an application by the Government for an injection of equity into Aer Lingus and we need all the friends that we can get at Commission level. Accusing the President of the Commission and Bruce Millan, the Commissioner for Regional Affairs, of at worst being liars or at least failing to honour obligations does not serve our national interest well.

There are a whole range of other issues in regard to which this Government has been incompetent. The issue of community television, the issue of members of this Government at local authority level opposing service charges while, in Government, endorsing decisions taken by the Department of the Environment in regard to service charges shows a two-faced approach.

The Deputy had his chance.

If the cap fits, Deputy Mulvihill will have to wear it. I did not interrupt the Deputy. If he is due to contribute I will listen with interest on how we can get off that hook and how he can get off the community television hook.

We will not go to Europe.

In regard to the 1 per cent levy, the immorality of a tax amnesty for cheats and dodgers is another example of the Government's incompetence.

In conclusion, this Government is smug; it is insulated and isolated from the real concerns of ordinary people. Its unprecedented majority has led it to become complacent in this Chamber and indifferent in its responsibility to be accountable, which is an essential and integral part of a parliamentary democracy. This grasping of power at all costs, the Mercs and perks and the Waldorf Astoria are now far more important, along with the other trappings of power, than what can be achieved when we reach a position of power. For that reason I cannot have any confidence in this Government.

A Leas-Cheann Comhairle, I wish to share my time with Deputies Mulvihill, Seán Ryan, Eithne Fitzgerald, Tommy Broughan and Joe Costello.

I have listened all day to this debate and have not been impressed because I have become befuddled with figures tossed at me from all sides of the House. Indeed, I became extremely befuddled listening to Deputy Frances Fitzgerald earlier because she bandied figures about like snuff at a wake.

(Carlow-Kilkenny): That is what happened the Taoiseach.

The most salient figure, however, was omitted because if we are dealing with reality let us confront it, warts and all. The most important point that was not mentioned is that the 12 countries in the European Community comprise more than 340 million people. The population of our country is 3.5 million and one would not want to be an Einstein to divide one into the other. However, on doing the division one will discover that we represent 1 per cent of the population of the 12 countries in the EC. As Deputy Browne knows, tails do not wag dogs and in this case we are a small player in a large field and in such a situation there must be give and take. That is the only way the European Community can operate effectively. We cannot have Europe on our own terms; we would like this but in reality it is not feasible. It is important to emphasise that this was our last big pay day from Europe.

And we made a hames of it.

Never again will we have this opportunity because many changes are about to take place in Europe which will weaken our present position and our bargaining power. In terms of our size we have received more than any other country in the EC. That is the reality and those are the figures that must be emphasised.

There was much fury here this morning on the part of Members which signified nothing; tired old performers going through rituals and performing verbal tricks and rhetoric in the House, but that is not good enough. However, I enjoyed some of the performances. Deputy Noonan gave good value as did Deputy Rabbitte but that is all they amounted to, performances in the House. They were shallow and entertaining——

(Carlow-Kilkenny): That is not fair to the Taoiseach.

——but of little substance. As a people we have a need to survive and that is important. That is why the two parties must work together in Government. It is more important for us to get on with the business of government, do the job for which we were appointed and carry out the priorities of the national plan rather than engage in histrionics and hypocrisy in this House. I do not need to be lectured on the role of the Labour Party in our society or in this Government, I am quite capable of discharging that job. Nor am I impressed with the demonology put forward today by the Opposition speakers which casts President Delors and Bruce Millan as villains of the piece. I do not believe that. I have no penchant for either of the two people concerned but in terms of being a European, Jacques Delors has a far more impressive record than anybody here. He is a man of vitality, vision and energy and at a time when Europe is beginning to fragment and nationalism is on the rise in many countries, we owe much to him. He has been the most dynamic performer on the European stage with a vision and an idea of Europe in line with its founding fathers.

The Deputy might consider climbing on to the European stage.

If I do so decide I will be a good performer and I have earned the right to go there. It would not worry me in the least.

Is the Deputy trying to get out?

The Deputy, without interruption.

I do not need any advice from Deputy Creed. Mr. Bruce Millan has also been a good European although on this occasion he did not see eye to eye with us. However, I will not have him maligned here by people who are not fit to carry his shoes. He has come to Ireland on many occasions, he has immersed himself in the European concept and he well understands Ireland's problems. I will not have him cast as a villain either. What happened during the long night of 20 July is simple; President Delors committed far more than the 100 per cent to the various countries and when he came to add up the figures it came to more than 100 per cent and we lost out. However, there is no reason why we cannot get that amount. It we work our national plan effectively there is no reason why the Tánaiste cannot be vindicated.

We should not waste time today engaging in a useless idle debate, it will achieve nothing. It is important to ascertain exactly what it is we can do with the money being made available to us in carrying out the proposals of the National Development Plan. I contend that the Tánaiste is a very able negotiator whose endeavours will be vindicated in time. I have no confidence whatsoever in Members of the Opposition, many of whom I know very well. I contend they would not do a better job than our present negotiators. As far as I am concerned the proof of the pudding will be in the eating.

I am not going to stand idly by in this House today and listen to a lot of claptrap and nonsense on the part of Members who would be better employed fulfilling the task they were sent here to do, that is, endeavouring to solve the problems of our society and of the people they represent.

I welcome this opportunity to contribute to this debate. The synopsis of the National Development Plan states quite bluntly that the plan is about jobs and over the next seven years will result in widespread investment, development, training and education and, most importantly, job creation——

What about Youghal Carpets?

——on a scale never before witnessed in this country. It is in all of our interests, no matter to which political party we belong, that we give the plan our 100 per cent support.

As I listened to various Members' contributions I found myself wondering why the same amount of passion and conviction was not extended to discussion of unemployment and its effects on the poorest and those most marginalised in our society. People would appear to adopt a blinkered attiude when it comes to economic realities both within and without this House. I contend this plan is badly needed to give the country a huge economic push. On that basis all of us would like to see this Government receive the highest possible allocation of funds from Europe but, like everything else in life, we must accept what we can achieve in any given circumstances at any given time.

It is my belief that we shall still be able to achieve our original targets. Based on our past performance in obtaining funds from the EC and the inherent quality of the proposals contained in the National Development Plan, it is my belief we will receive the maximum amount of funding from this round of EC Structural and Cohesion Funds. It is much more important that we spend this money wisely in the interests of our people than in merely shedding crocodile tears in the House today. This money must not be squandered or thrown away foolishly on useless schemes which I do not think will be the case since the plan outlines clearly how it will be expended.

As I speak here today in my constituency of Cork East hundreds of jobs are at risk of being lost in Youghal Carpet Yarns and at Irish Steel. I am in close touch with the position obtaining in Irish Steel. It is vital that as many as possible of such jobs be retained not alone in my constituency but throughout the length and breadth of the country.

The National Development Plan is an impressive document, but unless its proposals lead to the retention of existing jobs and the creation of new ones its objectives will not have been achieved. Nonetheless, I am confident that the implementation of its proposals will have a major effect on the country as a whole. I contend it is irresponsible and disingenuous of the Opposition to attempt to talk the plan down.

I welcome the opportunity to make brief contribution to this debate. I must admit that I have no difficulty whatsoever in pinning my colours to the mast by giving my support to the Government in its endevours to obtain the maximum EC Structural and Cohesion Funds for Ireland in the course of the negotiations that will take place over the next couple of years.

In regard to the 300,000 people unemployed, in many ways this debate is a non-event. Having discussed the matter with constituents in recent days I tend to share that view. My constituents have expressed the view that, whether the amount involved be £7.2 billion or £7.8 billion, it represents a sizeable figure for this country and provides us with an opportunity of providing the requisite infrastructures of job creation in many regions of the country which would not be achievable without such infrastructures.

I know that in the case of the town of Balbriggan in my constituency — and the same case could be made for many other towns nationwide — the lack of construction of a by-pass means that there will not be additional jobs created in such areas. We must examine carefully the retention of existing jobs and the creation of new ones. If the provisions of this plan afford us such an opportunity, then it should be grasped so that collectively we can ascertain what needs to be done vis-àvis employment generally. It is appalling that as we debate this issue there are people sitting in offices and boardrooms nationwide whose main endeavour is to pare back jobs. That is the very real problem confronting us. We must ask ourselves how we confront that issue.

Not by taxing them even more.

We must ask ourselves how we create real jobs. The proposals of the National Development Plan provide such opportunity in that there is talk of 100,000 net job increases. We shall work together to bring that about, but it will not be achieved by division within this Chamber while the Government seeks support for its implementation. For example, within the Dublin area there is provision in the plan for a light rail system so that people who may want to use public transport will be provided with new locomotives and carriages ensuring that they reach work in time. The proposals of this plan hold out enormous opportunities for us, which is what we should be examining. We must remember that the unemployed look to us to come up with concrete proposals and suggestions.

The motion before the House has to do with confidence in this Government. I contend opinion polls have shown there is confidence in this Government right across a range of matters including health care, education, housing and social welfare, which problems have been dealt with. For example, in relation to Aer Lingus——

A brass neck.

——£175 million has been provided by this Government, comprising part of the solution to its overall problems, whereas there had been nothing on the table prior to this Government taking office.

Does the Deputy remember Dick in the hangar?

Who said there would be no job losses?

I have great confidence in this Government in implementing the provisions of that plan and I will be voting with them this evening.

I propose sharing my time with Deputy Costello.

Having listened to the debate this morning the fundamental impression I had, certainly listening to Deputy Noonan (Limerick East), was that of the disappointed suitor. We had the prospective bride, the party that was to be the bride in December 1992/January 1993 ready and waiting, but unfortunately that party had conducted its courting very badly and had missed its chances at the altar, where a more appropriate and friendly bride was acquired.

They never got the dowry.

Indeed, we have. We are spending it, we shall spend more of it next year and we shall have £7.2 billion minimum of that glorious dowry to spend over the next four years or perhaps, as some political commentators said recently, over the next 16 years through other partnerships when this one may end.

They did not have a church wedding at all.

It was a Kildare Street wedding.

The Deputy in possession without interruption.

My overwhelming impression, having listened to earlier contributions, in particular that of Deputy Noonan (Limerick East), was that of a disappointed suitor, if you like, a scorned shadow Minister for Enterprise and Employment desperately sad that in ensuing years this enormous sum won by the Labour and Fianna Fáil leaders from a reluctant Europe fell short of earlier predicted targets. We heard this morning of how well Ireland has done. The fact that we have received so much more than our three major competitors is testimony to the overall negotiation. Unfortunately we have listened to cries of disappointment from the Opposition benches, a disappointment which will be reiterated as the weeks and months and years of this Government go by. Mr. Jacques Delors said he was sure we would get the vast bulk of the £7.84 billion, in other words the extra £600 million. Those in Government know that by counting the Community initiative programmes we should come close to £8 billion in Structural and Cohesion Funds during the period of the transfers.

If the Deputy keeps going he will arrive at a figure of £10 billion.

What lies before us is the task of implementing the plan. I congratulate the three Ministers present on the role they played in drawing up various aspects of the plan. The Minister of State at the Department of the Environment, Deputy Stagg, produced a programme to revive the urban centres of this country, to house the homeless, to restart the housing programme and all the associated developments.

How about abolishing the service charges?

In my local authority we do not have service charges. Indeed, I think it was the Minister for Finance——

If Deputy Creed voted against service charges we would not have them in Cork.

The Deputy in possession, please.

Surely the Deputy did not vote for service charges.

Yesterday, a Leas-Cheann Comhairle, you will have noted that a distinguished constituent of mine, our great Dublin writer, Roddy Doyle — I am not sure whether he lives in a neighbouring constituency — won the very important Booker prize.

There is a joke about that: "the National Development Plan — Ha Ha Ha."

He was also a candidate for the prize last year. One of Roddy Doyle's great qualities, which comes through his books, is his ability to highlight the pain and waste of unemployment on the north side of Dublin and throughout the city. As Opposition Members will be aware, one of the central characters in his great book is a man called Jimmy Rabbitte senior — no relation of our distinguished colleague who sits slightly to the left of me here.

The Snapper.

Jimmy Rabbitte gets up in the morning and finds it very hard to fill his day. Having spent 20 to 25 years working hard he suddenly became unemployed. His wife is involved in a local education project and one of his children is getting ready to go to college. A task in life, which every man and woman needs, is missing from Jimmy's life. As people will know, Jimmy and one of his mates get a van and start a little business. The book illustrates this point very forcefully. I am hopeful that by the year 1999 the National Plan will have provided a role in life for the Jimmy Rabbittes of our city and country.

The part of the plan which I find most valuable, and for which the Minister of State, Deputy Eithne Fitzgerald, can take enormous credit, is the whole area of local development, particularly in cities such as Cork, Dublin, Galway and the other important urban centres. We have attempted to integrate organisations such as credit unions, unemployed action groups, local enterprise and community groups and the Society of St. Vincent de Paul and give them Government recognition and professional help. The work done by our local organisations has boosted morale. Government support, which I am sure will be forthcoming under the plan, will make a fundamental difference to the unemployed in Dublin's north side and other urban areas. I express my full confidence in the Government and I am glad we are moving ahead with this enormous plan.

I propose, with your agreement, to share my time with Deputy Paul Connaughton and Deputy Theresa Ahearn.

Is that agreed? Agreed.

Perhaps Deputy Broughan, in his enthusiasm, missed the joke that is now doing the rounds in Kilbarrack that the National Development Plan has been renamed "the National Development Plan Ha Ha Ha" and will be submitted for the Booker prize next year as a work of comedy.

I should like to deal with some of the major players in this farce. I am sorry Dame Eithne Fitzgerald has left the House. I should like to deal with her first because she said she was responsible for the National Plan. We now know she was told on 8 October by the EC Commission that the assumptions of EC transfers underlying the plan were "unachievable" and unrealistic and would not be met. Here we have a Minister of State who portrays herself as the Barbara Castle of the British Labour Party and who has now been transformed into the Barbara Cartland of the Irish Labour Party, indulging in works of light economic fiction, such as the National Plan. Let us hope we will have fewer lectures from her in future in relation to ethics and political correctness. Her attempts to dump the matter on the EC Commission will not serve Ireland's vital national interests.

The failure of the Government to adopt the EC proposal of a 20 per cent reserve of the total funds has now been proved to be wrong. This would have allowed the targeting of resources in the light of experience and would have allowed the flexibility necessary to deal with the shrinking of the funds.

The next person I should like to deal with is the first of our three unwise monkeys who saw no evil, spoke no evil and told no evil. The ducking and diving of our Minister for Finance in recent days has been lamentable. It is clear that while Commissioner Bruce Millan shares the same profession of accountancy as the Minister for Finance, Deputy Ahern, he is not prepared to indulge in the type of creative accountancy practices in which the Minister is engaged. The Minister has been floundering in recent days. At best he has been utterly confused and at worst serious questions have been raised about his personal integrity. What is without doubt is that he failed to reveal at the launch of the plan in Dublin Castle that he had been repeatedly told by EC Commission sources, three days earlier, that the financial assumptions underlying the plan were not obtainable. The deceit and duplicity of Government Ministers has made the National Development Plan into a national hoax. The Government had a clear obligation at the launch of the plan to say these figures were provisional and were draft in nature but they entered no such caveat.

In his contribution today the Minister for Finance has been at a loss — to use his own words — to explain how the EC Commission deferred their decision on the share out of the Structural Funds from 13 to 21 October. This business was deferred at the request of the Irish Government. Can the Minister explain how Mr. Delors, Mr. Millan, Mr. Christopher Boyd and Mr. Jouyet of the Commission could have collectively developed this request for a deferral as a figment of their imagination? The Minister has one unique talent: his ability to invent alibis. During the currency crisis he shifted the blame wherever he could, first to the Bundesbank and then to the speculators. During the Greencore shares débâcle it was Davy Stockbrokers or Warburg Merchant Bank. This time it was the EC Commission and the Department of Foreign Affairs who let our poor Bertie down.

Next we come to the Tánaiste, who promised openness and honesty in Government. He misled the Irish people into believing tbe words he spoke before the closing of the last Dáil and instead the type of Government he has delivered——

I am sorry to interrupt the Deputy, but will he please move that the debate be adjourned?

Debate adjourned.
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