I welcome the Minister to the House. I did not expect to meet him again so soon.
The disposal of clinical waste is a very serious matter. This waste emanates from hospitals — I refer particularly to Dublin — and has to be disposed of in residential and densely populated areas. There are two ways of disposing of it, one by landfill disposal and the other by incineration. Landfill disposal is a very dangerous and limited method because segregation of the material is required and that means no infectious material can be put into a landfill site. Obviously this requries a high level of segregation and segregation facilities are not in place in the hospitals. Consequently the normal method of disposal of clinical waste is through incineration. If you go to any hospital in Dublin you will see a tall chimney puffing black sooty smoke into surrounding residential areas a number of times a day.
It is ironic that a hospital which is a place for healing pollutes and causes illnesses. This soot falls on clothes lines and an enormous amount of pollution is caused. Residents complain about this pollution all the time. It is ironic that while we have disposed of the problem of smog from burning bituminous fuel in the city of Dublin we still have pollution from clinical waste, particularly from hospitals. It is a contradictory situation and cannot be tolerated. The situation is worse in that while we have an air pollution Act we do not have any specific Irish standards for the incineration of and disposal of hospital waste. We cannot adhere to the British or the German standards because of the antiquated incinerators operating in our hospitals. That is very serious.
The Department of the Environment recommend adhering to British standards but we do not have the facilities to do so. The level of heat requried under the British and German standards cannot be matched by our antiquated incinerators. It appears there are no guidelines covering private incinerator operations and when inspection of them was carried out, some were found to be in breach of the recommended standards of the Department of the Environment. That is very serious. The incinerators were not designed for the temperatures now required. The equipment is not adequate for the volume of waste. Maintenance either does not take place or is neglected. The personnel manning the incinerators have little or no training for the job and, consequently, their efficiency of the incinerators is extremely poor. The monitoring of the incineration of clinical waste is virtually nil.
We operate almost in a vacuum. We do not know how the radioactive waste emanating from our hospitals is being treated or disposed of. There seems to be no firm evidence about it. That is extremely serious. Is radioactive waste being dumped in landfill sites? How does one incinerate and dispose of radioactive waste properly? Are infectious materials being dumped in landfill sites? Nobody seems to know.
We have reached the stage where we have an optimum of two years or thereabouts remaining in the existing corporation sites in Dublin. We will be faced with a bigger problem in disposing of waste whether of a general or a clinical nature later. We do not have systems for separating waste, whether radioactive material, infectious material or other waste that may not be dangerous. That is why I am asking the Minister for Health if some better procedure can be put in place. A better procedure should be developed. We need to look at the question of waste in the national as distinct from the Dublin context. We must look at the question of the management of hospital waste and develop a coherent approach so that we are simply not relying on the hospital authorities to make a decision on incineration, the use of private operators or landfill sites for waste disposal.
There are no regulations, no standards and no procedures for disposing of waste. It is incredible in this day and age that we are operating a system that has not been updated since Victorian times. Waste disposal is not subject to surveillance or to any Irish standards and regulations. We do not know the dangers of the material that may be emanating from hospitals. We express concern about the nuclear threat from across the water yet we have not taken precautions to ensure that our hospitals do not dispose of radioactive material.
How can we deal with this? We must get an alternative to on-site incineration. Hospitals by their nature deal with large numbers of people, and are, therefore, located in urban areas. Generally hospitals are surrounded by large residential areas. Dublin has 37 hospitals, and many people live adjacent to these hospitals. If we are to protect the health of the people who reside in those areas we must have an alternative system to on-site incineration. We must choose another location and another method of waste disposal. I am not sure incineration is the solution. It may well be but the incinerator should not be sited near a hospital.
I wish to bring to the attention of the Minister the serious nature of the matter, the volume of complaints on a daily basis from people who expect hospitals to deal with and protect their health. The Minister, and the Department of Health, should have a policy on this and develop a plan that will ensure the present unsatisfactory situation is discontinued. We should have emission control levels, and methods of dealing with clinical waste. Above all, we must ensure that there is no detrimental effect on the population in the vicinity of a hospital from which clinical waste material emanates.