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Dáil Éireann debate -
Thursday, 2 Apr 1998

Vol. 489 No. 5

Adjournment Debate. - Light Rail Project.

Thank you for giving me an opportunity to raise this matter on the Adjournment.

I am sure the Minister is aware that as we draw closer to the decision day for the Luas EU funding, there is understandable public disquiet, particularly in the areas which hoped to be served by Luas, with regard to the future of the project. This disquiet has been fuelled by conflicting media reports on the outcome of the consultants' study. I do not know where these reports are coming from, the spin they are seeking to put on the story or whose agenda they are pursuing, but it is time for the Minster to clarify the position.

In her media response to my remarks last Monday she stated the consultants' report had not yet been written and that she had no idea what it would say. While I accept the consultants' report may not yet be written, I do not accept they have not reached a conclusion. I find it difficult to believe the Minister is not privy to the conclusions they have reached. If I were Minister, and on two consecutive Sundays two different newspapers gave details of the outcome of a report I commissioned — on which at least £100 million of EU funding depended and for which the deadline was only weeks away — I would have lifted the telephone and demanded a briefing from the consultants. The public finds it difficult to believe the Minister has not inquired as to the veracity of the reports. If she has received the report it is time to share the information with Dubliners.

I realise I am rapidly becoming an irritant to the Minister and a bore on the topic of public transport for Dublin. I also believe she is genuinely bewildered at the strength of public feeling on the issue of Dublin traffic congestion, but if she lived and worked here she would have some appreciation of the frustration and pessimism of most Dubliners.

The Minister is the only person who can solve the problem by investing in public transport. Her dismissive attitude towards those who raise concerns about the problem has only deepened public despair and undermined public confidence in the ability of the political system to grasp the nettle on this issue. The Minister gives the impression that there is no urgency in dealing with the Dublin traffic problem. She appears to have adopted an indifferent attitude towards it.

There is virtual unanimity that the solution is to invest in public transport. The public finds it difficult to understand why the Minister does not accept this. Every time the matter is raised in the House she recites the plan of the Dublin Transportation Office which has constantly admitted that its plan is too little and too late. Even if Luas started to run today, it would be too late to solve the transport problems in Dublin due to the growth in employment and so on.

I want the Minister to answer a number of questions. Is the original project, as designed, being recommended by the consultants and can we proceed with it immediately? If not, and either a full or partial underground system is being recommended, has the Minister or her Department made interim plans to allow the two lines run as far as the city while the underground system is being designed? If she does not have any such plans, how does she propose to utilise the Luas money? Can we have a guarantee the money earmarked for Luas will be spent on public transport in Dublin and that priority will be given to the areas which would have been served by the Luas project? These are legitimate questions which all Dubliners are asking.

I thank Deputy Mitchell for giving me an opportunity to clarify the position on Luas. There has been a great deal of media speculation about the consultants' recommendations. It is interesting that at the Committee of Public Accounts this morning another Deputy Mitchell — a Dublin Deputy from her party — spoke strongly in favour of not putting Luas on the street. Therefore, there is not unanimity on this matter.

We engaged consultants and the terms of reference were placed in the Library. I stated on numerous occasions that the consultants will report by the end of April. I categorically state, as I did in a low key manner on Monday morning, that I have not received a draft, interim or final report and I have not spoken to the consultants.

That is not what happens. One engages consultants and waits for them to furnish their report. That is the way business is done. Why should I ring them constantly? I gave them a timeframe and they have informed my Department they will adhere to it. My Department has not received a report and I made that clear on the radio last Monday. I have no arrangement to meet Commissioner Wulf-Mathies. That was never on the cards. I gave a comment to a reporter for a Sunday paper in which I clearly stated the agenda as laid down would be adhered to when we receive the report.

Deputy Mitchell might like to believe she poses as an irritant, but I do not regard her as one. She is a fine Deputy. I do not regard any Deputy as an irritant. Neither do I regard her as a bore. As a full time public representative, I have lived and worked in Dublin five days a week since 1981. I gave up my teaching job when I became a Senator and, whether in Opposition or in Government, I come to Dublin on a Monday morning and go home on a Friday night. For the past 17 years I have lived in various apartments and flats around Dublin. I also went to school for six years and to university for four years in Dublin.

I will not be labelled as someone from the backwoods who does not know what is going on, because I do. I live in Dublin from Monday to Friday, which is unfortunately far more time than I spend in my nice home town of Athlone.

I will receive the consultants' report at the end of the month and this was the delivery deadline agreed between myself, the Department and W.S. Atkins. I asked the Department to check if they would meet their deadline and it appears they will. They had to review all the proposals.

I have repeatedly made it clear that the Government is committed to the construction of a light rail system for Dublin. However, the Government also believes that it could not take a decision to proceed with a project of such importance as the light rail system in the absence of a fully independent analysis of concerns expressed by a range of commentators. I cannot understand how Ministers of various political parties did not allow for an objective analysis and study to be carried out.

I agreed last October with Commissioner Wulf-Mathies how the matter will be addressed. However, I have not yet received the consultants' report. Media reports on their recommendations are nothing more than speculation. When I receive it, I will study it, bring it to Cabinet, make it public and then decisions will be made.

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