Defence Forces (Temporary Provisions) Bill, 1930—Money Resolution.

The Dáil went into Committee on Finance.

I move:—

Go bhfuil sé oiriúnach a údarú go n-íocfar amach as airgead a sholáthróidh an tOireachtas aon chostaisí fé n-a raghfar chun aon Acht do chur in éifeacht a rithfear sa tSiosón so chun na hAchtanna Fórsaí Cosanta (Forálacha Sealadacha), 1923 go 1929, do bhuanú.

That it is expedient to authorise the payment out of money to be provided by the Oireachtas of any expenses incurred in carrying into effect any Act of the present Session to continue the Defence Forces (Temporary Provisions) Acts, 1923 to 1929.

As the Bill with which the resolution deals only continues legislation which is in force, no new heading of expenditure arises.

I take it that whatever moneys are voted under this resolution will be paid over to the Minister for Defence, and I do not think that he is a fit and proper person to handle any moneys. He has often given us lectures on public morality, spirituality and other things. I am sure he is a proper person to do that, but I do not think he is a fit and proper person to handle money because he was out no less than £200,000 in his estimate of what the Army was going to cost this year. On February 20th, when speaking on the Supplementary Estimate for the Army, I said that the sum of £1,600,000 had been estimated, apart from service and wound pensions, as quite sufficient to spend on the Army. The Minister for Defence, as reported in column 665 of the Official Report, said: "Deputy Aiken, in his usual uninformed way, was, roughly, £200,000 out in his figures." Again he said: "I think the Deputy said that, independent of Army pensions, the expenditure on the Army was £1,600,000 roughly. His roughness was only £200,000 out." If the Minister reads the Estimate for the Army he will find that the Army has been estimated to cost £1,577,000 roughly. That is almost £1,600,000. When I said that the other night the Minister denied it and said I was £200,000 out. Surely to goodness such a man should not be left in control of any finances and should not have the handling of any funds. If he is going to get any money under this resolution, I hope the Dáil will not give the money.

Question put.
The Committee divided: Ta, 69; Níl, 55.

  • Aird, William P.
  • Alton, Ernest Henry.
  • Beckett, James Walter.
  • Bennett, George Cecil.
  • Blythe, Ernest.
  • Bourke, Séamus A.
  • Brodrick, Seán.
  • Byrne, John Joseph.
  • Carey, Edmund.
  • Coburn, James.
  • Cole, John James.
  • Collins-O'Driscoll, Mrs. Margt.
  • Conlon, Martin.
  • Connolly, Michael P.
  • Cosgrave, William T.
  • Craig, Sir James.
  • Crowley, James.
  • Daly, John.
  • Davis, Michael.
  • Doherty, Eugene.
  • Dolan, James N.
  • Doyle, Peadar Seán.
  • Duggan, Edmund John.
  • Dwyer, James.
  • Egan, Barry M.
  • Esmonde, Osmond Thos. Grattan.
  • Fitzgerald, Desmond.
  • Fitzgerald-Kenney, James.
  • Gorey, Denis J.
  • Haslett, Alexander.
  • Hassett, John J.
  • Heffernan, Michael R.
  • Hennessy, Thomas.
  • Hennigan, John.
  • Henry, Mark.
  • Hogan, Patrick (Galway).
  • Holohan, Richard.
  • Jordan, Michael.
  • Kelly, Patrick Michael.
  • Keogh, Myles.
  • Law, Hugh Alexander.
  • Lynch, Finian.
  • Mathews, Arthur Patrick.
  • MacEóin, Seán.
  • McFadden, Michael Og.
  • McGilligan, Patrick.
  • Mongan, Joseph W.
  • Mulcahy, Richard.
  • Murphy, James E.
  • Murphy, Joseph Xavier.
  • Nally, Martin Michael.
  • Nolan, John Thomas.
  • O'Connell, Richard.
  • O'Donovan, Timothy Joseph.
  • O'Hanlon, John F.
  • O'Higgins, Thomas.
  • O'Leary, Daniel.
  • O'Mahony, Dermot Gun.
  • O'Reilly, John J.
  • O'Sullivan, John Marcus.
  • Reynolds, Patrick.
  • Rice, Vincent.
  • Roddy, Martin.
  • Sheehy, Timothy (West Cork).
  • Thrift, William Edward.
  • Tierney, Michael.
  • White, Vincent Joseph.
  • Wolfe, George.
  • Wolfe, Jasper Travers.

Níl

  • Aiken, Frank.
  • Allen, Denis.
  • Anthony, Richard.
  • Blaney, Neal.
  • Boland, Gerald.
  • Boland, Patrick.
  • Bourke, Daniel.
  • Brady, Seán.
  • Briscoe, Robert.
  • Buckley, Daniel.
  • Carney, Frank.
  • Carty, Frank.
  • Cassidy, Archie J.
  • Colbert, James.
  • Colohan, Hugh.
  • Cooney, Eamon.
  • Corry, Martin John.
  • Lemass, Seán F.
  • Little, Patrick John.
  • McEllistrim, Thomas.
  • MacEntee, Seán.
  • Moore, Séamus.
  • Mullins, Thomas.
  • Murphy, Timothy Joseph.
  • O'Connell, Thomas J.
  • O'Dowd, Patrick Joseph.
  • O'Kelly, Seán T.
  • O'Leary, William.
  • Crowley, Fred. Hugh.
  • Crowley, Tadhg.
  • Derrig, Thomas.
  • Doyle, Edward.
  • Fahy, Frank.
  • Flinn, Hugo.
  • French, Seán.
  • Gorry, Patrick J.
  • Goulding, John.
  • Hayes, Seán.
  • Hogan, Patrick (Clare).
  • Houlihan, Patrick.
  • Jordan, Stephen.
  • Kennedy, Michael Joseph.
  • Kerlin, Frank.
  • Killilea, Mark.
  • Kilroy, Michael.
  • O'Reilly, Matthew.
  • Powell, Thomas P.
  • Ruttledge, Patrick J.
  • Ryan, James.
  • Sexton, Martin.
  • Sheehy, Timothy (Tipp.).
  • Smith, Patrick.
  • Tubridy, John.
  • Walsh, Richard.
  • Ward, Francis C.
Tellers: Tá, Deputies Duggan and P.S. Doyle; Níl, Deputies G. Boland and Allen.
Question declared carried.
Resolution reported and agreed to.