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Dáil Éireann díospóireacht -
Wednesday, 20 Jun 1951

Vol. 126 No. 2

Committee on Finance. - Vote 55—Wireless Broadcasting.

I move:—

That a sum not exceeding £136,250 be granted to complete the sum necessary to defray the Charge which will come in course of payment during the year ending the 31st day of March, 1952, for salaries and other expenses in connection with Wireless Broadcasting (No. 45 of 1926), including Public Concerts.

I have had no part in the preparation of this Estimate and the House will not, therefore, expect me to justify the provision made under the various headings. From the particulars supplied to me by the Department I shall, however, give factual information as to the causes of the variations in the sub-heads from last year, with a brief account of the working of the broadcasting service during the year and a reference to a few other matters to which attention should be drawn.

The net amount that will be required in the Wireless Broadcasting Vote for the year 1951-52 is £204,350. This is a net decrease of £42,830 as compared with the provision in the previous year. The true comparison, however, is between the gross totals for the two years as the fees estimated to be received from advertising programmes are this year being brought to the aid of the Vote as Appropriations-in-Aid. This is merely a change in accounting procedure. Comparison of the gross totals show that there is a net increase in the provision this year of £5,170. The main increase is in Sub-head B from which payments are made for the provision of the daily programmes. Hereunder I give the reasons supplied to me for the variations in the sub-head provisions where an amount of any significance is involved.

Sub-head A: Salaries and Wages.— The increase of £775 is of a casual nature and is due to a slight increase of staff, increments, changes in personnel and such normal matters.

Sub-head B: Cost of Daily Programmes.—There is an increase of £5,920 on this sub-head. Approximately £1,500 of it is intended to make slightly better provision for the payment of fees to playwrights to enable fees above the average to be paid for a small number of radio plays of outstanding merit if they become available. It also covers limited extra provision for variety programmes in Irish and English and to enable a few variety shows to be given in the provinces. The bulk of the remainder of the increase in the sub-head is for performing right fees (£1,600), which increase automatically as the number of licences goes up, and for payment of advertising agents who introduce sponsored programmes. A small extra sum of £250 has been provided to improve the news service from the provinces.

Sub-head C: Musical Instruments and Music.—The increase of £430 in this sub-head is an extra provision for musical instruments mainly to cater for additional studios which are being provided.

Sub-heads E and F: Heat, Light and Power and Plant and Equipment.—A footnote to these sub-heads explains that a sum of £1,700 provided last year, and rescheduled, for the installation of heating, lighting and ventilation equipment in new studios in the General Post Office has been transferred from sub-head E to sub-head F, to which it is more appropriate. The other changes in these sub-heads are of an incidental nature.

Sub-head G: International Conferences, etc.—The provision in this sub-head has had to be increased by £525 due chiefly to a higher subscription payable to the new European Broadcasting Union. The expenses of the former International Broadcasting Union were lower on the individual countries as there was a greater number of members. None of the Eastern European countries is a member of the European Broadcasting Union.

The receipts from wireless licence fees in the year ended 31st March, 1951, were £193,395, that is, nearly £11,000 higher than the Estimate at the beginning of the financial year. The revenue from sponsored programmes was £45,325 which is almost exactly the amount estimated. The revenue from wireless licence fees in the coming year is estimated at £209,000 and from sponsored programmes £48,000. The total estimated revenue of £257,000 is £4,650 more than the estimated gross expenditure of £252,350 from the Broadcasting Vote. As against this, however, an additional sum of about £62,000 is estimated to be expended from other Votes on work done for Broadcasting; the particulars are shown at the foot of the first page of the Broadcasting Estimate. The number of wireless licences at the end of March, 1951, was approximately 310,000 as against approximately 288,600 on the corresponding date in 1950. It is hoped to maintain this rate of increase in the coming year and the estimated revenue has been framed, accordingly. The saturation point for licences is now being reached gradually and it is not expected that the present rate of increase in licences will be maintained for many more years.

This completes the information about the financial provision in the Vote and the estimated revenue position and I shall now make a short reference to the programme operations. It is, as I said, based on what has been supplied to me by the Department. The outstanding feature of the programmes during the past year was the many broadcasts in connection with the Holy Year. These took the form of broadcasts and series of broadcasts from our own studios, broadcasts direct from Rome, and material recorded in Rome by the staff for a series of programmes at home. A member of the News Staff travelled to Rome with the National Pilgrimage and broadcast direct from the Holy City first-hand accounts of each day's events in the nightly news bulletins, and the head of the General Features department, accompanied by one of the mobile recording units, travelled to Rome in the autumn and collected recorded material for building into a series of descriptive programmes.

In the regular programmes there was a development of considerable interest to the Irish language revival. What was begun by way of an experiment in the line of variety programmes in Irish attracted such public interest and enthusiasm that the seating accommodation of the Phoenix Hall, from which the programmes were broadcast, was insufficient to meet the applications for admission, and the series had to be extended.

The policy of co-operating with efforts to organise public symphony concerts in various centres throughout the country has been pursued with increasing success. Concerts have now been given in Cork, Waterford, Limerick and Galway—and their success has been so great that further visits by the symphony orchestra to most of these places either have taken place or are expected to take place. The most notable development in this field was the very successful visit of the orchestra to Belfast some months ago, when the largest hall in the city was filled to capacity by a most responsive and appreciative audience. Apart from public concerts, there have been two symphony concerts broadcast from Maynooth College, where the visits of the orchestra have stimulated a lively interest in music among the students. This is considered to be a development with good possibilities for the advancement of musical culture, in due course, throughout the country.

The light orchestra has made a notable advance in the standard of its performances and has also taken part in public concerts in a couple of places outside Dublin.

A new departure in the programmes was the launching of a weekly news feature devoted to provincial news. It had long been realised that there are always many happenings and items of interest throughout the country, which, while not being of sufficient importance to call for inclusion in the regular news bulletins, reflect many valuable and often educational and entertaining aspects of the national life. It is only comparatively recently that the facilities became available to make this special kind of news coverage possible. Much of the material is of an unobtrusive character and has to be located and written up. Considerable use is made, in the compilation of the feature, of the mobile recording units and local correspondents, and the organisation, editing and production of these weekly broadcasts, called "Provincial News Round-Up," calls for a good deal of detailed attention.

The number of broadcasts of particular interest to farmers has been increased and their scope considerably widened. The weekly talk for farmers, broadcast on Wednesdays, now has a large and steady public. Evidence of this is provided by the volume of correspondence and queries on farming matters with which the broadcaster has to deal. Farming features of a more diversified character have been broadcast regularly on Saturday nights many of them dealing with farming topics and methods in other countries as well as in our own.

The need for the technical balancing within the studio of all that is broadcast is something of which many listeners may not be acutely aware, but which plays a vital part in deciding the quality of transmission. In a small organisation it is difficult to command the conditions necessary for the training of expert staff to concentrate on this aspect of broadcasting. The British Broadcasting Company lent valuable aid in this matter, however, and a balance and control officer is about to be appointed who was given a period of training with the corporation. This will undoubtedly result in an improvement of the balance of programmes and of the musical programmes in particular. An important matter related to this is the acoustical character of studios and this, also, has been receiving close attention. Improved equipment for measuring the acoustical characteristics of the studios has now been supplied and many improvements have been effected, notably in the Phoenix Hall.

These are all the matters of a programme nature to which I need refer, but the Department would like me to call attention to a few matters which are not concerned directly with programme building, but which are at the same time of importance for broadcasting.

Listeners on the Dublin wavelength will have observed that there has been serious interference with reception for some time past. It is believed that this is being caused by a station working on power higher than that authorised under the European Broadcasting Plan. Representations are being made in the matter, but it is not known what effect they will have. It is proposed to purchase a new transmitter for Dublin which will work on somewhat higher power than the present transmitter. When the transmitter has been obtained and installed it should help to get over the interference, if it has not been removed in the meantime. It has also been decided to purchase new transmitters for Athlone and for Cork, but owing to present supply conditions, there is no certainty about the time of delivery of the three transmitters. No provision has been made for them in the present year's Estimate.

Local interference by electrical apparatus is also increasing, due to the wider use of electricity. The Department's staff for helping in locating the cause of this interference has been strengthened, but quite obviously it would take a huge staff to attend to every individual complaint of faulty reception. The Department would like to urge the public that, before making any complaint, they should first have their own sets, including the aerial and earth connections, examined to make sure that the trouble is not there. It would also be well if neighbours would co-operate to see if the trouble is general in the area and also by making representations to the owner of any plant which they think might be causing the interference. If local efforts fail to remove interferences the Department's engineering officers will be glad to help in every way possible. They carry stocks of suppressors which they are prepared to fit at cost to any apparatus which is found to be causing trouble. The Department is also doing everything possible to try to have interference removed at the source, that is, before electrical apparatus gets into the hands of the users. Distributors of such apparatus who have been approached have promised the utmost co-operation in regard to getting suppressors fitted to the apparatus they supply.

The Department would also like to make a special appeal to set-owners about the renewal of their licences. The organisation for dealing with wireless licence work is much more costly than it need be if all set-owners obtained their licences promptly. In Britain the Post Office retains 7½ per cent. of wireless licence revenue to defray the cost of collection. As Deputies will see on page one of the Broadcasting Estimate, the Post Office charge here for work for broadcasting this year is put down at £45,000 or more than 20 per cent. of the estimated licence revenue.

The comparison between 7½ per cent. and 20 per cent. is not a strictly fair one as the British licence costs £1 as against our 12s. 6d. Moreover the Irish Post Office performs a good deal of work for broadcasting which in Britain is done by the B.B.C. itself. Allowing for these factors, however, the cost of collecting licence fees here is unduly heavy. I am afraid the main reason for this must be found in the reluctance of our set owners to meet their licence obligation as it arises. According to the recent Report of the Beveridge Broadcasting Committee, over 99 per cent. of set owners in Britain respond to postal reminders for the renewal of their licences. About 20 per cent. fail to respond to the renewal notices here. That is an unsatisfactory position. It gives no pleasure to the Department to have to institute legal proceedings against wireless licence defaulters, but it is obliged to see that the provisions of the Wireless Telegraphy Act are complied with. The expenditure on broadcasting is also increasing considerably and it is most important that the revenue should keep pace with it. Through the House I would like to urge the Department's appeal to the public to co-operate in this question of licence renewal. If full co-operation is given it will avoid unpleasantness for the Department and for set owners and will save a great deal of expenditure on correspondence and inspections that should be unnecessary.

There are many broader and more fundamental matters connected with broadcasting, such as broadcasting accommodation and the short wave station, on which I cannot usefully comment as I have not had an opportunity of examining them. I shall do so, however, as early as possible.

I understand from the Department and the Director of Broadcasting that the staff generally connected with broadcasting gave unfailing attention to duty during the year and I want to thank them for it. I would also like on behalf of the Department and for myself, to thank the members of the Broadcasting Advisory Committee, who, I am informed, continue to contribute most useful advice on a variety of matters connected with the broadcasting service.

In relation to plays, music and other forms of entertainment, I do not know how the Minister's mind works. Knowing a little about the present Minister, however, I believe there are many things he can do further to improve Radio Éireann. Many criticisms of Radio Éireann have been voiced here during the short time I have been here, but I still say we can well be proud of our radio station. If I make certain suggestions to the Minister which would, in my opinion, go towards improving still further Radio Éireann. I am sure that he will not take them amiss. I appreciate, as I am sure the House appreciates, the difficulties under which Radio Éireann has operated and continues to operate.

They experience difficulty, as the Minister has mentioned, with regard to the premises which are not at all suitable for broadcasting, because, in the first place, they are too small and because, as the Minister has also stated, they do not possess the sound-proof qualities required for broadcasting. There is also the difficulty I believe that our station is sometimes jammed by other powerful stations. That is something over which we have not a lot of control, though we may have some control. I believe that some powerful outside stations have tried to jam our station out of its wave-length.

The first improvement that I would suggest to the Minister—and I made a similar suggestion when I first spoke on this matter in this House—is that Radio Éireann should start its programme at 12.30 p.m. The reason must be obvious to everybody. Manual workers in this country, so far as my constituents are concerned in any case, leave work for their lunch at 12.30. Suppose they arrive home about twenty minutes to one, they have to wait until 1 p.m. before Radio Éireann comes on the air. They have to leave for their work again at 1.10 p.m. or 1.15 p.m. so that they can hear only a quarter of an hour of what is termed Radio Éireann's lunch-time programme. I suggest that the station should operate from 12.30 p.m. to 2 p.m. That would give the same length of time for broadcasting as is permitted under the present system. I do not believe there are many people who listen to Radio Éireann from 2 p.m. to 2.30 p.m. The workers have returned to their work at that time and the unfortunate housewife is cleaning up after the mid-day meal. I would therefore suggest that the Minister should consider starting the lunch-time programme at 12.30 p.m. I think he should also continue to encourage the idea of sponsored programmes, first of all, because they advertise many of our Irish products. I think it a good thing that Radio Éireann has adopted a system of allowing Irish industrialists and manufacturers to run sponsored programmes. The people who run these programmes are, I think, also to be congratulated on the type of programme they select while the officials are to be congratulated on the way they "vet" these programmes as I believe they must be "vetted" and approved of by the officials. I must say that their choice is very good.

I have heard complaints, to which I also referred on the last occasion on which I spoke on this Vote, in regard to the method by which some of the news is transmitted from Radio Éireann. Under the present system, I believe, news in respect to G.A.A. games is supplied by every Tom, Dick and Harry throughout the country. I made a plea here before that that work should be given to the local newspaper representative, whether the game be in Dundalk, Drogheda, Athlone, Wexford or Cork. The local newspaper representative should be given by the Department the duty of transmitting the result of matches instead of leaving it to the district secretary, this publican, or this, that or the other supporter. It is a job for a newspaper man, and a newspaper man is best fitted to do it. If he is to get a fair chance in his profession Radio Éireann as a State sponsored organisation should entrust that job to him. I think we have learned in this country, as people in other countries have also learned, that it is necessary to rely on newspaper men to give accurate reports. I have listened on occasions to the Sunday night broadcasts of G.A.A. results, and I have found some of them wrong. I think that in some cases where the broadcasting authorities depended on some local man, the result was not given. The unfortunate fellow whose team was probably beaten had either got drunk or was so disgusted that he did not bother to go to the telephone to ring up Seán Ó Ceallachain or whoever was in charge of receiving the results, to tell him who won the match. I think you can always depend on a newspaper man, whether he be a top-notch journalist or a local village reporter, to give a good account and the correct result of a match. I appeal to the Minister to see what can be done to correct the position which obtains at present.

There is another complaint which I should like to put forward on behalf of many talented people throughout the country. I am sure Radio Éireann, and perhaps Ministers themselves, have been badgered and pestered from time to time about Johnny or Mary who had a fine tenor or soprano voice or who could play the accordion to perfection. There are, however, a number of really talented people down the country who should get an opportunity of displaying their talents, and who cannot get that opportunity because it is too expensive to come to Dublin to obtain an audition. I believe that on occasion local auditions are held, but the records they make in a provincial town are not considered sufficient by the Radio Éireann authorities.

I had a few examples of that character. One in particular I think I mentioned here before was that of a man who had made several records of his playing of the accordion and they were not accepted by Radio Éireann as a substitute for an audition. They had nevertheless the audacity to use these records without his permission. That I agree is beside the point and I am not raising that question particularly.

I think, however, it should be possible to have local auditions especially for people who are talented in the playing of various musical instruments. I think there might be some system whereby a postmaster in a provincial town would have power to arrange for auditions, not by himself, but by some reputable musician whose word the Department would accept because, as I have already pointed out, it is not worth a local artiste's while to spend money coming to Dublin and to provide for himself here, in order to have an audition, only to be told after he had gone back: "You were not accepted," or "You were accepted for a ten minutes' broadcast for which you will get two or three guineas." It just would not pay him to come to Dublin for an audition under these circumstances. There are many people outside Dublin and Cork who should have these auditions, people who, I believe, could make a contribution towards musical culture generally in this country if they were given the opportunity by Radio Éireann.

There is another suggestion which I would like the Minister to examine. I do not know whether it is feasible, but I do know that it was successful in one connection before. There were a number of musical recitals given by way of gramophone records by the late Harold White, in particular of Gilbert and Sullivan operas. The performance consisted of the playing of about 12 records of each opera and the late Harold White delivered a monologue or read a script at intervals giving some very interesting items in regard to the operas. These were very successful broadcasts. We have many musical societies operating in Dublin which usually put on two shows each during the year—one in spring and another in autumn or at the beginning of winter. We have societies like the Rathmines and Rathgar Musical Society, the Dublin Musical Society and the Old Belvedere Society.

They run shows in the Gaiety Theatre for a week or two weeks and I wonder would the Minister consider the possibility of having these broadcast, not on the first night, because they are amateur societies and anybody who knows anything about amateur productions knows what a first night is. I suggest that if Radio Éireann took its apparatus to the Gaiety Theatre on the third or fourth night of such a production the people outside Dublin down the country would enjoy very much any of the productions of that type of society.

There is another avenue which the Minister could also explore and I do not think he would have any difficulties so far as finance is concerned. We hear far too little of the No. 1 Army Band and the other Army bands. I have such an admiration for the No. 1 Band in particular that I think it is a crying shame that the people outside Dublin have not the advantage of hearing it more often, or indeed any of the other Army bands or, for that matter, the Garda Síochána Band. If there could be more recitals from these bands it would add to the prestige of Radio Éireann. I agree with the Minister in everything he said about the light orchestra which has been a tremendous success. I do not know whether the Minister is aware of it or not but Radio Éireann has a worldwide reputation as far as the production of plays is concerned. Recently I heard or read a comment from the B.B.C. paying a magnificent tribute to Radio Éireann for the type of play produced and the manner in which it was produced.

I should like to add my complaint about interference with Radio Éireann. That is something which it may be difficult to correct at times, but it is something which the Minister ought to tackle because in some parts of the country it is absolutely impossible to tune in to Radio Éireann at certain times during the night. These are a few suggestions which I thought I might put before the Minister. The majority of them may not be feasible, but, knowing the ability he has, I know that the Minister will at least explore these possibilities. If there is any merit in the suggestions, I should like them to be adopted.

I should like to raise a matter which I also raised in the course of last year. It is in regard to our news bulletins. There is a feeling that on many occasions the news bulletins are very much biassed. With a new Minister now, it would be well to review that position.

I am quite sure that the present Minister will approach this matter in an absolutely impartial manner, and I hope that in the course of the coming year there will be no cause for complaint. It would be only right and proper that a copy of the script broadcast should be retained and made available to Deputies. It should be possible for any Deputy to look up the broadcasts which have been made over the year to see to what extent they comply with the rules of ordinary fair play as between different Parties, to what extent they are really efficient news broadcasts and provide the items of news which are of general interest.

I have the feeling that far too much time is devoted in the news bulletins to hackneyed and dismal foreign news, dismal accounts of the struggle between the various world Powers for supremacy. We all know that that struggle is going on and that it is a tremendous struggle on which perhaps the existence of the human race depends, but at the same time we as a people are very much interested in our own national and local affairs. A good deal more attention should be given to the collection and broadcasting of purely Irish news. In that regard, I should like to re-echo what Deputy Corish said about giving preference to good, reliable Press reporters who have the knowledge and the experience to present news that is really of value and to present it fairly.

I do not want to touch upon anything which might by any stretch of the imagination be regarded as contentious, but I think the manner in which the news in regard to the appointment of a certain postmaster last year was dealt with by Radio Éireann did cause a terrific amount of comment. The matter was suppressed for a long time and then on one particular night we had a long rigmarole from the retiring postmaster and the Minister's reply. I think both were written by the same person, but that does not matter. It certainly took up the greater part of the time allocated for the news on that night. If Deputies had an opportunity of looking over the script of the news broadcasts from day to day we would have an opportunity of checking up and seeing to what extent the news bulletins are a fair presentation of the news items of interest. I feel that while in regard to instrumental music, operas, etc., we get fairly good broadcasts, in regard to the lighter side of radio entertainment we are not getting sufficient value for the license fees we pay.

They should broadcast your speeches.

That would not be a bad idea. If the replies and interruptions of these people were also broadcast, it would make things rather lively. I have frequently expressed the view that a broadcast of a little bit of political debate would be appreciated. I am often amazed at the very contentious subjects broadcast from the B.B.C. and other foreign stations. I do not know why we should be so timid in matters of that kind. Why should we not have a debate on such contentious matters as the Baltinglass affair or the mother and child scheme or any of those things which are topics of interest for the day or for the week? A debate of that kind would be listened to with great interest. There are other matters which could also be the subject of interesting debates. For example, in dealing with agricultural matters, it is not necessary to have a heavy lecture on what is the best type of fertiliser to use, the best type of stock, the best breed of cattle, etc. A short debate between two experts with different views upon a matter of agricultural interest would arouse far more interest than a straight lecture. What the people want is discussion, dispute, if you like. They enjoy that and I think they are entitled to get it. I am surprised at the extent to which the B.B.C. cater for that demand.

There is another matter which I should like to stress—I know a certain amount is being done in regard to it-and that is the arousing of interest in history, particularly local history. I should like to see each district of the country taken and a history of that district broadcast in an interesting way, perhaps made the feature of an historic sketch with the leading characters of the pageant of Irish history.

County Wicklow teems with examples of the most magnificent personalities in Irish history—Art MacMorrough Kavanagh, Hugh Fiacra O'Byrne, Michael Dwyer, and all those great figures who played so important a part in history. Each district is intimately associated with their activities. Glendalough is associated with St. Kevin and there are other historic places.

Baltinglass

Even Baltinglass, which would add one page to history, but perhaps it is a little too near at the present time to be dealt with fully.

In two months.

I feel that particular feature of broadcasting should be developed to a much greater extent. It would be of tremendous benefit to our people. One matter which has been the cause of complaint here is the manner in which people who provide scripts for broadcasts are remunerated. I am told that the remuneration for Gaelic writers is altogether inadequate. I have been given examples where a fee of approximately £10 per hour is paid for a script in Gaelic while the fee for a somewhat similar script in English is up to £75 per hour. There is wide disparity there which seems to operate against those who seek to advance knowledge of our own language.

I certainly think it would be a good idea for the new Minister who, I am satisfied, has an impartial mind, to review the manner in which news is broadcast and the type of news that is broadcast.

Last year when speaking on the Estimate I referred to the fact, which was obvious, I am sure, to the Minister and to everybody else, that of the programmes broadcast by Radio Éireann, by the far most popular amongst the people are the sponsored programmes. It would not be right that the entire time of our national broadcasting station should be taken up by programmes designed to advertise commercial products but, last year, the then Minister for Posts and Telegraphs indicated that the matter was under consideration. It might be possible to have sponsored programmes broadcast during what may be described as the valley hours, the hours during the morning and afternoon which ordinarily, at the moment, are not utilised at all by Radio Éireann. It would be a very good thing if that possibility were explored by the Minister and, if possible, implemented. It would mean increased revenue for the Post Office and increased employment from the point of view of those who would be engaged in the particular programmes.

Suggestions have been made in regard to broadcasting the proceedings of Dáil Éireann. I hardly think that this Parliament is sufficiently mature to permit of such broadcasts. Some of us would hate to think that some of the performances that we have seen here would be broadcast. On the other hand, it might have a beneficial effect. It might open the eyes of some of the people to what goes on.

In my opinion it would be a good idea to follow the headline which has been set in other countries in regard to major political issues. In America and England, and possibly in other countries, when major political issues arise which give rise to controversy amongst the people, or which result in a cleavage of opinion, the facilities of the broadcasting network are made available to the leaders of various parties. That would be a very good innovation in this country. It would be a good thing if at election time the leaders of the various Parties were given a certain amount of time on the air to state their policies, and so on. Such an innovation would be appreciated by the people. I definitely would disagree with the suggestion that the proceedings of Dáil Éireann should be broadcast indiscriminately. The time may come when that might be possible. The system which has been adopted in England of inviting leading speakers of opposing political parties to debate certain specific subjects on the air might be explored with some benefit, but the indiscriminate broadcasting of parliamentary debates has not been adopted, to my knowledge, in any country, and I do not think it should be adopted here, at the present juncture at any rate.

I recommend to the Minister that he should explore the possibility of increasing the time allowed for sponsored programmes during the hours which are not utilised for broadcasting at the moment. In view of the possibility of an early general election, urgent consideration should be given to the suggestion that time might be given for speeches by political leaders on the air.

As I have already indicated in the course of my speech, I have had very little time to study the work of the broadcasting station. I can only promise to Deputies that I will have regard to what they have said in the rather short debate that we have had.

I may make a few references to some of the suggestions made about which I have been given some information. Deputy Corish suggested that we should increase the number of sponsored programmes. There are all sorts of technical and financial difficulties there, which have to be overcome, apart from other considerations. I can only say that I will give consideration to the proposal, but I am afraid it is not easy. There is the question of limitation of accommodation and there are other matters to be considered.

With regard to the suggestion to start the programme at 12.30, that would not be a physical impossibility, but, curiously enough, Deputy Corish may be interested to learn, there have been very few requests for that and if we had more requests we might consider it sympathetically. So far there does not appear to be much evidence that the public would wish to have broadcasts starting earlier than the present hour. However, the suggestion will have consideration, as will all Deputy Corish's proposals.

With regard to the newspapermen and the giving of match results, I am informed that we have a number of local news correspondents working for Radio Éireann and that we get the results of matches included in the news bulletin from them whenever possible. In other places, apparently, it would not be worth while to engage local newspapermen and the information is got from any source that may be available. I suppose that source, on some occasions, as the Deputy indicated, may be an unreliable one. I am informed that the results in the Sunday night special sports feature are obtained by the commentator, Seán Ó Ceallacháin.

In regard to searching for talent and examining talent reported, there is generally far less talent of a kind suitable for broadcasting, as distinct from performing in small halls, than is imagined by the public, but we do arrange local auditions occasionally, and, if Deputy Corish knows of any case of genius undiscovered, he should give the name or ask the person concerned to write to the Director of Broadcasting and we will see what we can do. As I have said, and as the Deputy well knows, the technical qualification for broadcasting is very often very different from the technical qualification from the point of view of performing in a very small hall. Over the radio it is very often not the same thing. I agree with Deputy Corish with regard to the No. 1 Army Band. I will see whether we are not having sufficient broadcasts by the band and see what can be done about it.

Do not forget the Garda Band.

And the Garda Síochána Band as well. I should like to say a few more words with regard to interference. Without having any experience of the working of the Department, except what I have gained from a very brief conference with the officers, I think I would be quite safe in making an appeal to the hundreds of importers of electrical apparatus into this country to fit their machines with suppressors immediately. There is a perfectly good case for making it legally obligatory on them to do so. Nobody could say that it would be an interference with the liberty of the individual when we relate it to the numberless other Acts passed by this House and before us to prevent people making nuisances for other people. There could be nothing objectionable or lacking in precedent if we passed a law compelling the first importer, or the first manufacturer, in the case of an Irish manufactured article, to fit a a suppressor to his apparatus. It would save the Department a lot of trouble.

We have not gone to that point yet. We may try circularising the whole of these people—there must be hundreds of them—and ask them to co-operate with us voluntarily and to fit suppressors to everything, from electrical heating pads for invalids to refrigerators. I make an appeal to these people to make this law unnecessary. A great many of them are already co-operating with the Department. Many of them have responded to the suggestion made, while others have not, as I know myself, because, when I bought the other day a piece of electrical apparatus from an acknowledged reputable maker, it had no suppressor fitted and there was a complaint against me by some other people before I assumed this onerous position which I was able to correct. I had assumed that all the well-known makers of apparatus fitted suppressors to their goods before they left the factory or the importer's rooms. Such is not the case and these suppressors should be fitted.

I should like to draw the attention of Deputies interested in the broadcasting service to the encouragement of the development of sponsored concerts. Symphony orchestras can travel to a local area where a hall can be engaged by a person who is interested in music and who wishes to advertise his concern. It is a method of securing an advertisement and doing good for musical culture in the country, and, if Deputies know of any firms who have the financial capacity to arrange for a sponsored concert by the radio symphony orchestra, they should ask them to get in touch with us. It is one of the least expensive and best ways of bringing music down to the country and I hope that we can develop the idea of these sponsored concerts not only by the radio symphony orchestra but possibly by other groups on the same basis —not a development of advertising in the literal sense, but an indirect advertisement, on the one hand, and a spreading of the musical facilities made available by Radio Éireann, on the other.

We come at last to the question of the news service and I want to say right away that it would be quite fatal if Deputies were to press me to have the broadcasts laid on the Table of the House and available to Deputies, not because any definite harm might come through doing so, but because any work that I or the officers of my Department can do to improve the news service, to alter it in any one way with a view to making it better, can be done only if there is not even the slightest suggestion of political influence. Even the feather touch of a T.D. or Minister would make it impossible for the news service to develop on the lines of providing news of political importance which is interesting and designed on the basis that it is impartial and, at the same time, interesting to the public.

If the news service has been unsatisfactory in the past, the easiest way to make it continue to be as unsatisfactory is to adopt any kind of political bias towards it and allow it to become the subject of, shall we say, indiscriminate political comment. The people who operate the broadcasting service and the news department know that very well and any reputable long-term newspaper man knows it, too. You have the very difficult job, therefore, that the Minister is responsible for the wireless news service and must ensure that so far as possible it is well balanced and, at the same time, must try to keep his own influence out of it, or he will never achieve the right objective. I am speaking, as I have said, in a very premature way about something of which I know very little, but I know enough about human psychology to know the necessity of making it possible to have an independent news service from Radio Éireann with the least possible political interference. At the same time, I know that I am responsible for seeing that the news service is balanced and to reconcile these two positions is not going to be easy. I am not even going to say that I consider the news service is unsatisfactory. I have not been long enough holder of this position and so all the suggestions made in regard to the news will be considered like the others.

With regard to what Deputy Cogan said about the emphasis on foreign news, we established a provincial news round-up to correct, perhaps, a disproportionate amount of foreign news. We cannot help it if the foreign news is gloomy, but, having listened to Radio Éireann news on very many occasions, I think it is, on the whole, fairly well balanced from the point of foreign news items and items of home interest, and still more balanced now that there is this item of provincial news in the provincial news round-up feature. If Deputy Cogan knows of any cases where writers in the native language for Radio Éireann have been paid insufficient fees, I shall be glad if he will send the facts to me. I will make sure that they are properly investigated.

At the moment I do not favour political broadcasts. I think it would be very difficult to arrange and I have not made up my mind about them. I do not agree with Deputy Dunne that the Dáil is not sufficiently mature to justify the broadcasting of the debates, and I would not agree that that was a proper reason for not having broadcasts of political debates. There are quite enough mature speeches made here by members of all Parties to justify such broadcasts, but so far as I know there has never been any request for political broadcasts, and a very large number of persons in this House do not favour them. They think that on the whole the reports in the newspapers and the close contact which Deputies keep with their constituencies are possibly sufficient, but I have not made up my mind on any of these matters and I will give atention to all that has been said in this rather short debate on the wireless service.

Vote put and agreed to.
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