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Dáil Éireann díospóireacht -
Wednesday, 8 May 1957

Vol. 161 No. 8

Financial Resolutions. - Resolution No.4—Customs and Excise. Hydrocarbon Oils.

I move:—

(1) That in this Resolution—"the Act of 1935" means the Finance Act, 1935 (No. 28 of 1935);

"the Act of 1952" means the Finance Act, 1952 (No. 14 of 1952);

"the Act of 1956" means the Finance Act, 1956 (No. 22 of 1956).

(2) That the duty of customs imposed by Section 1 of the Finance (Customs Duties) (No. 4) Act, 1931 (No. 43 of 1931), as amended by subsequent enactments, shall, in respect of mineral hydrocarbon light oil chargeable with that duty, be charged, levied and paid as on and from the 9th day of May, 1957, at the rate of 2/9¼d. the gallon in lieu of the rate specified in sub-section (2) of Section 10 of the Act of 1956.

(3) That the duty of excise imposed by Section 1 of the Finance (Miscellaneous Provisions) Act, 1935 (No. 7 of 1935), as amended by subsequent enactments, shall, in respect of mineral hydrocarbon light oil chargeable with that duty which is sent out, on or for sale or otherwise, from the premises of the manufacturer thereof on or after the 9th day of May, 1957, or is used by such manufacturer on or after that date for any purpose other than the manufacture or production of mineral hydrocarbon oil, be charged, levied and paid at the rate of 2/7¼d. the gallon in lieu of the rate specified in sub-section (3) of Section 10 of the Act of 1956.

(4) That the duty of customs imposed by Section 21 of the Act of 1935 shall, in respect of hydrocarbon oil chargeable with that duty, be charged, levied and paid, as on and from the 9th day of May, 1957, at the rate of 2/2 the gallon, in lieu of the rate now chargeable by virtue of sub-section (1) of Section 7 of the Act of 1952.

(5) That as on and from the 9th day of May, 1957, the rate of any rebate allowed under sub-section (2) of Section 21 of the Act of 1935 shall be—

(a) as respects the oil commonly known as tractor vaporising oil, 2/2 the gallon; and

(b) as respects any other hydrocarbon oil, 2/1 the gallon.

(6) That the duty of excise imposed by Section 21 of the Act of 1935 shall, in respect of hydrocarbon oil chargeable with that duty which is sent out, on or for sale or otherwise, from the premises of the manufacturer thereof on or after the 9th day of May, 1957, or is used by such manufacturer on or after that date for any purpose other than the manufacture or production of hydrocarbon oil, be charged, levied and paid at the rate of 2/– the gallon in lieu of the rate now chargeable by virtue of sub-section (3) of Section 7 of the Act of 1952.

(7) That as on and from the 9th day of May, 1957, the rate of any rebate allowed under sub-section (4) of Section 21 of the Act of 1935 shall be—

(a) as respects the oil commonly known as tractor vaporising oil, 2/– the gallon; and

(b) as respects any other hydrocarbon oil, 1/11 the gallon.

(8) That where the licensee under a passenger licence granted under Section 11 of the Road Transport Act, 1932 (No. 2 of 1932), shows to the satisfaction of the Revenue Commissioners that hydrocarbon oil on which the duty of customs imposed by Section 21 of the Act of 1935 as amended as specified in paragraph (4) of this Resolution or the duty of excise imposed by the said Section 21 as amended as specified in paragraph (6) of this Resolution has been paid has been used by him for combustion in the engine of a mechanically propelled vehicle used in a passenger road service in respect of which the licence was granted, the Revenue Commissioners may, subject to such conditions as they may think fit to impose, repay to the licensee duty at the rate of 6d. the gallon on hydrocarbon oil so used on receipt of a claim therefor made by him in such form as the Revenue Commissioners may direct, subject to the proviso that no repayment may be made unless the claim is made within four months from the date on which the oil was used.

(9) It is hereby declared that it is expedient in the public interest that this Resolution shall have statutory effect under the provisions of the Provisional Collection of Taxes Act, 1927 (No. 7 of 1927).

I should be grateful if the Minister could give us some information on this Resolution. He associates hydrocarbon oil with T.V.O. and diesel oil. I am not clear from the terms of the Resolution what are the relative positions of T.V.O. for agricultural tractors and of diesel for agricultural tractors at the moment and after the Resolution has been carried. Will there be an increase in the price of T.V.O. for agricultural tractors as a result of this? Does the duty of 6d. on diesel oil apply to agricultural tractors though not to public transport vehicles?

There will be no increase in relation to agricultural tractors.

The Resolution speaks of 2/2 being imposed and of a rebate of 2/–. If the Minister looks at Section 5 of the Resolution, he will see that it speaks of 2/2 a gallon on tractor vaporising oil and that Section 7 refers to a rebate of 2/– per gallon on tractor vaporising oil. Does that involve a net increase of 2d. a gallon?

The increased duty on oil for ordinary road vehicles is from 1/8 to 2/2, but there is a rebate of 1/6. Under Section 7, that rebate is increased to 2/–.

As I understand it, sub-paragraphs (2) and (3) deal with petrol. Am I correct in thinking there is no rebate in respect of petrol used for agricultural tractors?

That is so.

In relation to diesel oil used for road transport, there is a limited rebate in paragraphs 7 and 8. Is that so?

In respect of road passenger vehicles operated by licensed companies.

That is purely for passenger vehicles. In respect of the carrying of merchandise, there is no rebate—that has to bear the full 6d. per gallon increase.

That is right.

In relation to agricultural tractors which use diesel oil, what rate of duty will operate when this strong Government uses its majority?

They will still pay the penny the Deputy put on last year.

The penny you put on them.

Why is it proposed to put on a duty on T.V.O. for the first time and then to proceed to apply a rebate? Why go into all this paraphernalia?

I do not know.

Wait now. That is no good for the farmer, who will be asked to pay 2/2 for his fuel to-morrow and have to wait three months for his rebate.

He will not have to wait three months.

Hitherto there was no duty on T.V.O. or diesel for agricultural purposes. Must the owner of the tractor now pay the duty and then seek a rebate?

There was no duty until last year, when a penny a gallon was put on. That still remains.

I am as simple as a child. Would the Minister please look at the Resolution? Section 5 says:—

"As respects the oil commonly known as tractor vaporising oil, 2/2 the gallon."

That means that when I buy a gallon of T.V.O., I pay the extra duty.

It means when you import a gallon.

What is the difference between the rebate allowed in Section 7 which is 2/– and the rebate of 2/2 allowed in Section 5? There are two rates of rebate laid out.

It is the difference between the customs and the excise.

The net result is that there is no increase in T.V.O. or diesel duties.

The farmer will pay the extra 6d. per gallon for petrol used in farm tractors.

The Minister spoke of bus fares and said that the increased duties would leave bus fares "almost entirely unaffected". Does that mean that some bus fares will be affected?

Mr. Lemass

None of the licensed public transport companies will be affected. There are a few small licensed bus owners throughout the country who may be affected. As far as is known there may be a few buses driven on petrol. All the C.I.E. and G.N.R. buses are driven on diesel.

What about taxi fares?

Mr. Lemass

An Order has been made authorising an increase in taxi fares.

On the merits of this Resolution, I want to make a modest representation to the Minister for Finance. There are in this country a relatively small number of petrol driven tractors. The fact is that when the Ferguson system was first introduced into this country, the inventor, Mr. Harry Ferguson, maintained against all comers that his tractors operated more efficiently on petrol than on T.V.O. He even preferred it to diesel. Whatever the merits of that argument may have been, a certain number of farmers never accepted the view put forward by the inventor of the system himself, the manufacturer, and they bought and are still using petrol tractors.

The amount is trivial from the point of view of the Exchequer, but it must be abundantly clear to anyone in this House that for a man who has a petrol tractor a burden of 6d. a gallon on petrol is extremely heavy. When I was Minister for Agriculture, I discussed this matter with the Minister for Finance from time to time and my recollection is that we were both agreed that the number of petrol tractors was quite trivial- because, despite the advice tendered, the vast majority of farmers have gone over to T.V.O. or diesel.

Might I suggest to the Minister for Finance that he consult with his colleague, the Minister for Agriculture, to consider whether it would not be quitable and fair to extend the rebate which is already available in respect of the first 6d. on petrol to people who are in fact using petrol tractors, even if that rebate is given only for a limited time? He could indicate that after a period of two or three years, when the tractors will be more or less used up, he could allow it no longer on them and that it is Government policy that all should go over to diesel or T.V.O. It is a terrible hardship that a man who has put his money into a petrol tractor should be called upon to bear this extra burden. I could well understand that if there were some vast and insuperable administrative difficulty, the Government would be justified in saying: "We would like to accommodate you, but we cannot go on doing it and anyone who wants to use a petrol tractor hereafter must face the fact that he will have to pay this extra petrol tax." Would the Minister say that, at least in respect of existing petrol tractors, there will be a rebate of this kind so as to give users of them a chance to carry on?

It is not so much the cost; there are other considerations which I do not want to go into now, but perhaps we could discuss them on the Finance Bill.

I would draw the Minister's attention to the fact that the price of T.V.O. and diesel is now in the neighbourhood of 1/7 or 1/8 a gallon. After this, the price of a gallon of petrol will be over 5/—about 5/4. For the limited number of petrol tractors in the country, that places the unfortunate individual who has sunk his capital in a petrol tractor in a terribly disadvantageous position vis-à-vis his T.V.O. or diesel competitor. Many of those tractor owners are young men, at least in the West of Ireland, many of whom emigrated and earned the price of their machinery, their tractor and their plant, in England or elsewhere. They came home and they sank their money in them. Anyone who was unfortunate enough to have bought a petrol tractor in those days now finds himself completely crushed out of business. The petrol engine has been depreciated very much in value by the price of petrol.

Furthermore, regarding the rebate of 6d. a gallon which exists does it not——

It is 8d.

I do not believe there are 100 petrol tractors in the country. Surely this petrol increase will hit those people particularly hard.

The Minister should think about it, in any case.

I want to correct one point. There is a rebate at the moment of 1/1¾ for tractors and stationary engines used by farmers. As Deputy Dillon pointed out, it is only a matter of changing that figure, but there are other considerations. We can think over it.

Could the Minister tell us, in regard to the 1/1¾ he refers to as the rebate, under what Act that is operative at present?

I think it comes down from the Act of 1933—not that amount, but it started in 1933.

Do I understand from the Minister that the farmers will not get a rebate of 6d?

It is not proposed to give them any rebate on petrol; they will get it on diesel.

Resolution put.
The Committee divided: Tá, 74; Níl, 60.

  • Aiken, Frank.
  • Allen, Denis.
  • Bartley, Gerald.
  • Beegan, Patrick.
  • Blaney, Neal T.
  • Boland, Gerald.
  • Boland, Kevin.
  • Booth, Lionel.
  • Brady, Philip A.
  • Brady, Seán.
  • Breen, Dan.
  • Brennan, Joseph.
  • Brennan, Paudge.
  • Breslin, Cormac.
  • Browne, Seán.
  • Burke, Patrick.
  • Butler, Bernard.
  • Calleary, Phelim A.
  • Carty, Michael.
  • Clohessy, Patrick.
  • Collins, James J.
  • Corry, Martin J.
  • Cotter, Edward.
  • Crowley, Honor M.
  • Cunningham, Liam.
  • Davern, Mick.
  • de Valera, Eamon.
  • de Valera, Vivion.
  • Donegan, Batt.
  • Dooley, Patrick.
  • Egan, Kieran P.
  • Egan, Nicholas.
  • Fanning, John.
  • Faulkner, Padraig.
  • Flanagan, Seán.
  • Flynn, Stephen.
  • Gallagher, Colm.
  • Galvin, John.
  • Geoghegan, John.
  • Gibbons, James.
  • Gilbride, Eugene.
  • Gogan, Richard P.
  • Griffin, James.
  • Haughey, Charles.
  • Healy, Augustine A.
  • Hillery, Patrick J.
  • Hilliard, Michael.
  • Humphreys, Francis.
  • Kenneally, William.
  • Kennedy, Michael J.
  • Killilea, Mark.
  • Kitt, Michael F.
  • Lemass, Noel T.
  • Lemass, Seán.
  • Loughman, Frank.
  • Lynch, Celia.
  • Lynch, Jack.
  • MacCarthy, Seán.
  • McEllistrim, Thomas.
  • MacEntee, Seán.
  • Maher, Peadar.
  • Medlar, Martin.
  • Moher, John W.
  • Moloney, Daniel J.
  • Ó Briain, Donnchadh.
  • O'Malley, Donogh.
  • Ormonde, John.
  • O'Toole, James.
  • Ryan, James.
  • Ryan, Mary B.
  • Sheldon, William A.W.
  • Sheridan, Michael.
  • Smith, Patrick.
  • Traynor, Oscar.

Níl.

  • Barrett, Stephen D.
  • Barry, Richard.
  • Beirne, John.
  • Belton, Jack.
  • Blowick, Joseph.
  • Browne, Noel C.
  • Burke, James.
  • Byrne, Patrick.
  • Carew, John.
  • Carroll, James.
  • Casey, Seán.
  • Coburn, George.
  • Coogan, Fintan.
  • Corish, Brendan.
  • Cosgrave, Liam.
  • Costello, Deelan D.
  • Costello, John A.
  • Crotty, Patrick J.
  • Desmond, Daniel.
  • Dillon, James M.
  • Dockrell, Maurice E.
  • Esmonde, Anthony C.
  • Everett, James.
  • Fagan, Charles.
  • Finucane, Patrick.
  • Flanagan, Oliver J.
  • Giles, Patrick.
  • Hogan, Bridget.
  • Hughes, Joseph.
  • Jones, Denis F.
  • Kenny, Henry.
  • Kyne, Thomas A.
  • Larkin, Denis.
  • Lindsay, Patrick.
  • Lynch, Thaddeus.
  • McAuliffe, Patrick.
  • MacEoin, Seán.
  • McGilligan, Patrick.
  • McMenamin, Daniel.
  • McQuillan, John.
  • Mulcahy, Richard.
  • Murphy, John.
  • Murphy, Michael P.
  • Murphy, William.
  • Norton, William.
  • O'Donnell, Patrick.
  • O'Higgins, Michael J.
  • O'Higgins, Thomas F.
  • O'Reilly, Patrick.
  • O'Sullivan, Denis J.
  • Palmer, Patrick W.
  • Reynolds, Mary.
  • Rogers, Patrick J.
  • Rooney, Eamonn.
  • Russell, George E.
  • Spring, Dan.
  • Sweetman, Gerard.
  • Tierney, Patrick.
  • Tully, John.
  • Wycherley, Florence.
Tellers:—Tá: Deputies Ó Briain and Hilliard; Nil: Deputies O'Sullivan and Kyne.
Resolution declared carried.
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