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Dáil Éireann díospóireacht -
Thursday, 27 Feb 1964

Vol. 207 No. 13

Committee on Finance. - Vote 48—International Co-operation.

Tairgim:

Go ndeonófar suim fhorlíontach nach mó ná £69,270 chun íochtha an mhuirir a thiocfaidh chun bheith iníoctha i rith na bliana dar críoch an 31ú lá de Mhárta, 1964, le haghaidh ranníocaí do Chomhairle na hEorpa, don Eagras um Chomhar agus Forbairt Eaconamaíochta, do na Náisiúin Aontaithe, do Dhlí-Chomhlachtaí Idir-Rialtasacha, don Chiste Traenála Daoine ó Thíortha thar lear agus don Fhundúireacht Mheiriceánach-Éireannach; agus le haghaidh costais eile i ndáil leis an gcéanna.

Séard atá sa Mheastachán Foirlíontach so ná breis soláthair a dhéanamh le haghaidh costas imtheachtaí na Náisiún Aontaithe sa Chongó agus costas Fórsa Eigeandála na Náisiún Aontaithe i nGaza agus soláthar a dhéanamh le haghaidh Ciste na Náisiún Aontaithe don Chongó Ciste Traenála Daoine ó Thíortha thar lear agus íocaíochta leis an bhFundúireacht Mheiriceánach-Éireannach.

The Supplementary Estimate contains additional provisions for our contributions towards the cost of the United Nations military operations in the Congo and the Middle East for the six months period ended on 31st December, 1963. The last assessments which we received and paid in respect of these operations were for periods ended on 30th June, 1962. Provisions were included in the Vote for the current year for assessments which we anticipated we would receive for our share of the cost of these operations for the year ended 30th June, 1963. However, it was decided that the cost for this period would be met from the sale of United Nations bonds and at its Fourth Special Session, held in May, 1963, the General Assembly established a new basis for apportioning among member States the cost of United Nations operations in the Congo and the Middle East for the six months ended 31st December, 1963. It was not, therefore, possible to foresee this development when the Estimate for the current year was prepared.

Deputies will be aware that for the past few years the United Nations has been threatened by a continuing financial crisis resulting from the failure of certain member States to contribute towards the cost of peace-keeping activities of the Organisation. The principal defaulters take the attitude that the Security Council alone has the right under the Charter to authorise the financing of peace-keeping operations, the powers of the General Assembly being restricted to the making of recommendations which are not legally binding. Thus, on political and juridical grounds, many countries have withheld payments and undermined the whole financial structure of the Organisation.

The International Court of Justice was called upon to sort out the legal and constitutional questions involved and to give an advisory opinion on the point. This it did in July, 1962, when it announced that the ONUC and UNEF expenditures were "expenses of the Organisation" within the meaning of Article 17 (2) of the Charter. This opinion of the Court was accepted by the General Assembly at its Seventeenth Session by 76 votes to 17 against, with eight abstentions. However, the defaulting members still refused to be influenced by this decision, with the result that heavy arrears have accumulated in the ONUC and UNEF accounts. On the 31st December, 1963, including the current assessments, the arrears on foot of the ONUC account were $96 million and those on foot of the UNEF account were $33 million, a total of $129 million in all. When added to arrears in contributions to the Working Capital Fund and the regular United Nations Budget, the Organisation's total arrears now amount to $150 million.

The United Nations, as is well known, had to resort to the sale of bonds to tide it over the crisis. These bonds are repayable over a period of 25 years and carry interest at the rate of 2 per cent per annum. The defaulting countries have so far refused to buy these bonds and now refuse to contribute towards their redemption as provided in the United Nations regular Budget. We played our part in the bond effort by taking up $300,000 worth of the bonds.

The sale of these bonds brought in approximately $148 million and no separate assessments were made on member States in respect of the cost of peace-keeping operations for the year ended on 30th June, 1963. But, of course, this was only an interim measure until a formula could be evolved for the equitable sharing of peace-keeping costs. Accordingly, a Special Session of the General Assembly was convened in May of 1963 and charged with the task of putting United Nations finances on a firm basis. The Assembly adopted a resolution setting out general principles to serve as guide lines for the sharing of the costs of future peace-keeping operations involving heavy expenditure.

The main principles are: (i) financing of such operations is the collective responsibility of all members; (ii) economically more developed countries should make relatively larger contributions than economically less developed countries; (iii) voluntary contributions from members should be encouraged; (iv) the special responsibilities of the permanent members of the Security Council should be borne in mind in connection with their contributions and (v) special consideration should be given to the situation of member States which are the victims of the events or actions leading to peace-keeping operations.

The Assembly also adopted resolutions on the financing of the ONUC and UNEF operations for the six months ended on 31st December, 1963. Under the terms of these resolutions, the first $3.0 million of the ONUC expenditure and the first $2.5 million of the UNEF expenditure is to be shared by all members according to the regular scale of assessment for the regular Budget for 1963. Of the balance, the economically less developed countries were asked to contribute only 45 per cent of their mathematical shares and 26 countries listed, including Ireland, were called upon to make good the resulting short-fall by way of voluntary contributions. The Assembly considered this as an ad hoc apportionment arrangement for the present phases of the operations which was not to be construed as a precedent for the future. Thus for the six months period in question our assessment in respect of ONUC is $46,126 and for UNEF $13,279, plus a voluntary contribution of $6,300 towards both accounts. This gives a total of $65,705 or £23,560, whereas £14,250 was provided in the Vote for both operations.

Provision is also made in the Supplementary Estimate for a contribution of $25,000 to the United Nations Fund for the Congo. We made a similar contribution to this Fund in 1961 and I explained to the House at the time that this voluntary Fund is used under United Nations control and in consultation with the Central Government of the Congo for the purpose of assisting that Government to maintain certain essential public services with the ultimate objective of preserving its political independence, protecting and advancing the welfare of its people and safeguarding international peace.

The United Nations operation in most of the Congo has now largely turned from the maintenance of order to the provision of an extensive programme of economic and technical assistance with the major emphasis on the training of the Congolese themselves to assume the responsibilities of running their essential services. The needs of the Congo for outside assistance continue to be great and they extend over every aspect of the economic, social and administrative life of the country.

The target of the Fund for 1964 is $13 million and is required to provide the Central Government with foreign exchange requirements to ensure the continuation of certain essential services, including the employment of internationally recruited personnel such as doctors, secondary school teachers and magistrates.

It is extremely important that this part of the United Nations effort should not suddenly be allowed to collapse for financial reasons. If it proved necessary suddenly to pull out these essential experts and close down the programme of training in various fields, the Government and people of the Congo would suffer a severe setback and much of the effort of the United Nations in the past three years would have gone to waste. I hope, therefore, that the House will agree that the Government should continue to support the civilian operation in the Congo by making a second contribution of $25,000 to the Fund. Our total payments of $50,000 over a four year period to the United Nations Fund for the Congo could not be held to be excessive.

The provision in Subhead F is for the purpose of setting up an Overseas Training Fund of £50,000 to assist in the training in Ireland of nationals of the young African and Asian States in administration, management and technical skills. The Fund will be under the control of the Minister for External Affairs and grants and repayable advances will be made from it in accordance with regulations approved by the Minister for Finance. In every case the sponsoring Government or body concerned will be responsible for the emoluments of the trainees.

In setting up this Fund, the Government are giving recognition to their obligation to give increased assistance to the developing countries as our own economic capacity grows.

The services rendered to these countries over the years by Irish missionaries, doctors, nurses and teachers are well known. Some years ago the number of Irish missionaries in Africa, Asia and Latin America was estimated at nearly 6,000 and a recent UNESCO publication estimated the number of qualified Irish teachers working in Africa alone at 1,500.

Similar services in Ireland have been given in great measure by the universities and other post-secondary education bodies. In 1962/3 there were 1,100 students from developing countries at the National University, Trinity College, Dublin, and the College of Surgeons out of a total student population of 11,000.

As for Governmental aid, in addition to making annual contributions to the various multilateral aid-giving organisations over the past ten years or so, the Government have assisted the developing countries in two ways: Firstly, by arranging for Irish experts in various fields to work in those countries either under the auspices of the United Nations or its specialised agencies, or by bilateral arrangements. Since 1950 some 60 Irish experts have worked in 34 countries in Africa, Asia and Latin America for periods averaging 18 months. Of these, 20 were medical experts and others were experts in such fields as public administration, agriculture, meteorology and telecommunications. This is a service which we are endeavouring to expand. Experts are required by the United Nations to have considerable experience in their particular sphere of activity.

Secondly, also since 1950, we have received either through international organisations or by bilateral arrangements close on 300 nationals of developing countries, some for long but the majority for relatively short periods, for training in various spheres such as public health, public administration, local government, statute law reform, human rights and the educational system.

The State-sponsored bodies have also played their part in this work. For example, Irish Shipping has accepted four Nigerians for a complete course of training as marine engineers; Aer Lingus has trained up to 80 African and Asian engineers and pilots in the maintenance and flying of planes; CIE has trained a group of Nigerians in diesel electric traction and Bord na Móna have co-operated with the Government of Pakistan in initiating peat development in that country.

The largest single scheme we have undertaken in the training field has been the acceptance of a large group of young Northern Rhodesians for training in public administration. When he visited Ireland last year Dr. Kaunda, recently elected Prime Minister of Northern Rhodesia, pointed out that his country would be acutely short of administrators on gaining independence later this year and he requested that 40 students should be given up to a year's training in Government Departments and with local authorities in Ireland. It was arranged that the Government would advance the living expenses of the trainees against a guarantee from Dr. Kaunda that the money so advanced would be repaid by the Northern Rhodesian Government after independence. In accordance with Dr. Kaunda's wishes four of these young men are being trained in the Department of Defence, four in the Department of Justice, four in the Department of Local Government, and the remainder in local authorities.

At the request of the Government, the Institute of Public Administration has been good enough to undertake the general administration of the training scheme. I am happy to say that since their arrival towards the end of last year, these young men have been co-operating with enthusiasm and energy in the training arrangements, and that the reports on their progress are very satisfactory.

The practical training is being supplemented by courses for the students in administration and management in the Civil Service Training Centre and in the Institute of Public Administration.

The Overseas Trainee Fund is designed to meet the expenses of this scheme and to enable us to undertake further training schemes of the same kind.

The main items of expenditure in current training schemes are the specialised courses for the students in the Institute of Public Administration, their travelling expenses in Ireland and the salary of an officer specially recruited by the Institute to look after the training arrangements and the welfare of the trainees.

I understand that the Institute intend to expand their facilities for the training in public administration of nationals of developing countries and I would hope that the Government may count on their collaboration in future schemes of this nature. In view of the substantial aid which is given by various Foundations, largely American, to non-governmental bodies engaged in the training in administration of the nationals of developing countries, we would expect the Institute to endeavour to supplement any assistance from the Fund by seeking financial aid from all other possible sources. In such cases the Overseas Trainee Fund could assist the Institute to expand its work by means of repayable advances. Where assistance is not likely to be forthcoming from other sources, a grant would be made from the Fund. The existence of the Fund will ensure that lack of money will not prevent the Government from undertaking a worthwhile training scheme.

I feel that the proposal for the establishment of an Overseas Trainee Fund will commend itself to Deputies as being in keeping with the splendid traditions established by our missionaries, teachers, doctors and nurses over the years in Africa and Asia, and as a positive indication of our interest in the welfare of the newly-emerging States. The work of training and education which the Fund is designed to foster was, moreover, of particular interest to that great champion of the emerging nations, Dag Hammersjoeld, and I am happy to know that it is the intention of the Institute of Public Administration to be associated in this field with the work of the Dag Hammersjoeld Foundation. Because of the speed with which history is propelling the developing countries into independence, most of them find themselves disastrously short of trained teachers, administrators and medical experts. We can help them to help themselves by giving them basic training in administration or other technical skills. This is a form of aid which owing to our traditions and our history we feel Ireland is particularly suited to give to many of these new States.

I turn now to the Irish-American Foundation. As Deputies are aware, the American-Irish Foundation was launched on the occasion of the visit to Ireland of the late President Kennedy and the late President and President de Valera consented to become its Patrons. The Foundation was incorporated as a non-profit making organisation in New York in June, 1963. The principal objective of the Foundation is to promote cultural, intellectual, educational, literary and scientific relations between the United States and Ireland. The Foundation will sponsor the interchange between the two countries of students, teachers, lecturers, professors, writers, musicians, artists, etc.

The Foundation will be financed by donations and bequests and I understand that it is organising a fund-raising campaign in the United States.

The very large number of Americans of Irish descent in the United States are playing an increasingly important part in the political, educational and industrial life there. From time to time Americans of this kind have suggested that cultural and educational exchanges between Ireland and the United States should be increased. Already, of course, such exchanges are taking place. Under the scholarship exchange scheme administered by An Bord Scoláireachtaí Cómalairte and financed by an allocation of £500,000 from the Grant Counterpart Fund, a number of scholarships in the United States for Irish graduate students and for American lecturers and professors in Ireland have been provided annually since 1958. Exchange scholarships have also been awarded by the Society of the Friendly Sons of St. Patrick in both Philadelphia and Washington and in 1959 through the generosity of Mr. Joseph P. Kennedy, father of the late President, a number of fellowships in American colleges were awarded to Irish students of economics and of pure and applied science.

It is hoped that the new foundation will prove an important and enduring advance in this field. With the encouragement and support of our Ambassador in Washington. Dr. Kiernan, a group of prominent Irish Americans has come together and formed this Foundation. The present Board of Directors of the Foundation consists of Daniel F. Cohalan, John Coleman, James Cummins, Roger Faherty, James Farley, Joseph Gannon, John McShane and Thomas J. Kiernan, our Ambassador to the United States. I am very happy indeed that the Foundation is governed by such a distinguished group and in view of their wide experience and their high reputation, I know that under their guidance the Foundation will prosper. The Foundation will, of course, have the full and wholehearted support of the Irish Government and as an earnest of their interest the Government have decided to make a capital contribution of £10,000 to the Foundation.

The establishment of this Foundation will, I hope, result in substantial benefits to both countries in the educational and cultural fields. Its success will mean educational opportunities at some of the great American universities and institutes for our graduates and will help Americans to study here and learn more about Ireland. Opportunities of this kind for young Americans and young Irishmen cannot readily be measured in monetary terms but it is clear I believe that in making this contribution to the Foundation, we are making a wise investment.

In conclusion, I should like to stress that in doing all we can to assist the Foundation, we shall be honouring in a particularly fitting manner the late President of the United States who throughout his brilliant career always showed the highest regard for education and culture and cherished the ties between Ireland and the United States. In seeking the authority of this House for a capital contribution of £10,000 to the Foundation, I do so in the knowledge that this will be yet another worthy memorial to the late John Fitzgerald Kennedy.

We approve the subheads of this Supplementary Estimate. I do not quite understand why copies of the Minister's statement are so scarce. It would be much more convenient if one were available for myself and Deputy Corish so that we should not have to share one.

The Minister has given a brief summary of the now perennial crisis which seems to afflict the United Nations, particularly in regard to operations in the Congo but he did not tell us what his prognostication was of when the financial confusion in this regard is likely to end or if it is likely ever to end. The International Court of Justice declared that it is the liability of all the members but some members do not seem to have paid much heed. I should be glad to know if the Minister can tell us whether, in his judgment, the various devices that have been operating and now operate will prove sufficient to maintain the essential work of the Congo, with special reference to the provision of civilian assistance by way of experts and administrators and doctors who are helping in keeping the Congo on its feet, as the Minister has described in his statement.

That work in which we play our part—but, of course, many others participate in it—cannot go on if funds are not available and I agree that it would be a great tragedy if that vital help had to be withdrawn before the Congo people were in a position to carry on themselves. The Minister says the Congo operation now has changed. The United Nations operation in most of the Congo has now largely turned from the maintenance of order to the provision of an extensive programme of economic and technical assistance. If this is true, can the Minister forecast approximately when it is proposed that the Irish troops now in the Congo should return home? How long does he expect to keep troops in the Congo? How long will that be necessary?

On an occasion such as this, it would have been well for the Minister to give us some general indication of what prospect he sees of the maintenance of order in the Congo because frankly some of the stories one reads in the newspaper make one wonder how far is it possible, in present conditions, to maintain order and how far order is in fact maintained outside the relatively restricted areas where United Nations troops are situated. I should be glad to hear the Minister's picture of the real situation at present obtaining.

I note in the Minister's reference to the training of students from Africa in this country, he tells us that ten per cent of the entire student body in our universities and the College of Surgeons are now students from Africa. Everybody here is anxious to do his part in helping in the education of students from Africa but I should like to hear from the Minister whether he is satisfied that we have sufficient university accommodation for all our own students as well as the 1,100 we are now receiving from Africa. We should be generous in receiving students from Africa and helping them in every way but we must have some regard to the availability of accommodation for our own children and if my information is right, the number of places in a good many faculties at present is already severely restricted, mainly on grounds of space and accommodation. That aspect of the situation should be kept constantly in mind in determining how great a number of foreign students we can properly undertake to educate within the limited resources at our disposal.

I am particularly gratified to learn of the development of the scheme under which 300 nationals in developing countries have come for training in various spheres, public health, public administration, local government, statute law reform, human rights and the educational system. I think this kind of work is most valuable and is the means of making a very real contribution to the future of these countries. It is an excellent thing that State-sponsored bodies have been able to train applicants as marine engineers, engineers and pilots in the maintenance and flying of planes, diesel-electric traction operators and the like. There is, I think, no contribution we can make which would be of greater value than giving young Africans a knowledge of the methods of our Civil Service and our organised semi-State bodies and enabling them to bring that training back with them to Africa to use in the service of their own country.

In regard to the reference by the Minister to the American-Ireland Foundation, I should be glad of some more precise information. The Minister says that the Foundation will sponsor the interchange between the two countries of students, teachers, lecturers, professors, writers, musicians, artists, etc., and that it will be financed by donations and bequests. Is this Foundation to operate more or less on the model of the Fulbright scholarship scheme, primarily designed to exchange students and post-graduate students between the universities here and universities in America, or will it be extended to finance concerts and lectures of visiting professors?

I observe that the Minister recalls that already such exchanges are taking place under the scholarship exchange system administered by An Bord Scoláireachtaí Cómhalairte and financed by an allocation of £500,000 from the Grant Counterpart Fund. I hope the Minister bears in mind some of the residual advantages of Marshall Aid of which on another occasion he was extremely critical. I agree with the Minister that the names of the distinguished gentlemen who constitute the board of this Foundation are a guarantee of its ultimate success. Personally, I would be happy to see this Foundation concern itself primarily with educational purposes and if its resources were mainly devoted to enabling young students from this country, or indeed post-graduate students, to go to American universities and, vice versa, receiving American students and post-graduate students in our universities or in the Institute of Advanced Studies, I believe this would be the best use to which the funds of this Foundation could be put.

I venture to doubt whether the endowment of concerts or lectures or that kind of activity has very much effect. I have no doubt at all that the provision of scholarships which make it truly possible for students to have access to the universities which otherwise they could never have is a valuable activity and one that produces results down the years. I should be glad to hear from the Minister, if he can tell us, that it is the intention of this Foundation to concentrate its attention on that kind of activity. I notice that both in respect of the £500,000 which we have invested in the Counterpart Fund and of other exchange scholarships awarded by the Society of the Friendly Sons of St. Patrick in both Philadelphia and Washington, and through the generosity of Mr. Joseph P. Kennedy, a number of fellowships in American colleges awarded to Irish students of economics and of pure and applied science, have all recognised the superior value of opening academic opportunities to students who otherwise would not have them. I hope the Foundation will take an example from that and concentrate its attention mainly in that direction.

We approve generally of the proposals in the Supplementary Estimate but we should like to have further and better information about the situation in the Congo, the prospects of our being relieved of Army duties in the maintenance of order, and I should like a reassurance that our efforts in accommodating African students is not overtaxing the capacity of our university resources to the detriment of our own students who may find themselves excluded from the medical, engineering or science faculties for want of place to accommodate them.

I must confess to a slight disadvantage in that I did not have the Minister's brief in which is contained, in the first part, a number of figures to which one might like to advert. However, I do not think there is any controversy about this Supplementary Estimate. As far as the Labour Party are concerned, we approve of it wholeheartedly. For some time now the news has been current that many of the Member countries of the United Nations were seriously in arrears in their contributions to the Congo operations. The Minister should give us some details about these countries. He should name the countries who are in arrears and give the amount of the arrears. We can be justly proud of the efforts this country is making to maintain peace in what are now being described as the emergent countries of the African Continent. We can rightfully boast about the contribution Ireland has made in the Congo, not alone in regard to the money it has subscribed through this House and through the Government, but in regard to the personnel it has supplied.

It is right to say that this country has done its utmost both in regard to money and personnel in trying to ensure peace in the Congo. On a proposal like this, we should record in the Dáil Debates our appreciation of the sacrifices that undoubtedly have been made by those soldiers who volunteered to go to the Congo and also express a word of gratitude to the women and children whose loved ones —fathers or brothers or sons—were away from them for such a very long time. It is a welcome proposal by the Minister and the Government that we should continue to try to ensure that not alone will there be peace in the Congo but progress as well. It is a good thing that we should contribute towards the development of this country and for that reason also we welcome the proposal to provide this subscription from the Irish Government towards the development fund.

The Minister has also embodied in his proposal a contribution for the training of students and the training of Government and local government personnel from some of the African States in this country. All of us have seen some of this scheme in operation in the various local authorities. As far as one can judge, it has been most successful. Great benefit is accruing, I think, to those who came from Northern Rhodesia particularly in the local authorities, in order to equip themselves with the knowledge and experience essential in the running of the affairs of any country; this knowledge and experience they will be able to apply when they return to Northern Rhodesia.

I had to leave the House, unfortunately, when the Minister was speaking about the Irish-American Foundation. Again, this is something we applaud. In the Minister's remarks on the subject, possibly because of necessity, we did not get the full details Deputy Dillon seeks. I assume, however, that when a satisfactory scheme has been threshed out and the details have been agreed upon, the Minister will make an announcement here.

Finally, we approve the grant of the money the Minister seeks from the House in this Vote.

I should like to endorse the remarks of the leader of the Labour Party. There is just one suggestion I should like to make to the Minister. With regard to the student exchange plan—I have had experience of this and I consider it a very wonderful scheme — I would urge on the Minister that students from Northern Ireland should be included in any scheme that is drawn up.

The Minister and his successors will always, I think, find that funds needed for international co-operation will be readily granted by this House. These contributions are essential. They are inevitable. They are very fitting for a nation of our size and with our proud history. As the House knows, we have added to the funds in recent years; we have subscribed with blood as an earnest of our international sincerity.

However troublesome and difficult the Congo experiment may have proved, it was certainly a noble experiment. It may mark the beginning of a new and more intelligent co-operative world. The fact that Irish lives and Irishmen contributed to that evolution is a matter of deep and heartfelt pride.

I was particularly interested in the brief reference the Minister made to work that is not sufficiently well known as yet. I refer to our supplying skilled personnel to the emergent countries and our reception of the nationals of these countries for training here in the machinery of administration. I refer in particular to those who come, not for university education but for education and training in the ordinary, practical running of a country. The Northern Rhodesian experiment contains the seed of developments of great importance.

Dr. Kaunda has a peculiarly difficult task before him and if we can help him to overcome the grave difficulties he is facing by providing his public servants with the kind of standards necessary to ensure support and co-operation from the nationals of Northern Rhodesia— I do not mean the nationals of one race only; the white race in Northern Rhodesia must learn to accept the position—we shall be making a unique contribution to world co-operation. The white race must learn that the dominant race, if properly trained, can supply officials worthy of the respect of the white races. This training, therefore, can be of great value not alone to that country but also to us.

Our history in this regard is a very good one. Our struggle for freedom has fitted us in a unique way for this great task. It gives us an international purpose out of all relation to our size and economic importance. I regard the matter as the most important one in this Supplementary Estimate. I am enthusiastic about this development. I believe it is very important that we should keep the faith and trust of these new nations; indeed, keeping that faith and trust should be a very sacred responsibility. I believe this work and its results will, in time, equal what this country did for the world in the Dark and Early Middle Ages.

I was in a certain difficulty in drafting the opening speech in that, since it was only a Supplementary Estimate, I did not want to make it too long. I dealt, therefore, principally with the matters that were quite new, such as the Irish-American Foundation, and the Overseas Trainee Fund.

Deputy Dillon asked when the Congo experiment is likely to come to an end and will the special funds for the development there be available to complete the job. It is very difficult to answer that precisely. The more one knows of the Congo, the less one is prepared to prophesy when our troops will come home and whether the amount of money necessary to put the Congo properly on its feet will be available. There is, however, this to be said: the Congo has made remarkable strides. Perhaps we get an overemphasis here on the unfortunate tragedies that occur from time to time. Our reports are that, in the recent outbreak, the trouble was confined to a very small portion of one of the provinces and Congolese troops, who are now trained, are successfully containing the outbreak. The United Nations efforts were confined to rescue work. Containing the revolutionary forces on the warpath was done by the Congolese forces, who are now better trained than they were a couple of years ago. Indeed, I hope that training will continue to the point at which they will be able to look after their own affairs, and keep law and order to the extent necessary.

I agree completely with what Deputy Dillon said about having places in our universities for our own students. I do not think any of the universities would give places to outsiders, much as they might like to do so, if they had not sufficient accommodation for Irish students. I would prefer to see young Africans educated to the graduate stage in Africa itself and coming here for post-graduate courses or for actual in-service training. The most valuable thing we could do for them is to give them in-service training in one or other of our Government Departments, in State companies or even in private companies. The great need of the newly emerged African States is the sort of experience we can give them here, management and administrative experience. For a number of years, I have been urging upon these African countries that what they wanted more than money was administrative and management skill and that we were prepared to help them to the greatest possible extent if they called upon us to do it.

The need for this fund is that we had no moneys available to take care of trainees coming here if the African Governments had not the funds to pay for their keep. In the Northern Rhodesian situation, it was not possible for the Northern Rhodesians to see their young men through a course here. It is for that reason I proposed to the Government that we should establish this £50,000 fund to cover the expenses of trainees and enable the Institute of Public Administration to carry on this work. Pending the receipt of subscriptions from other sources, this £50,000 should enable the Institute to carry on with competence their work of training young men from the developing States.

Is there any over-all direction of the work in this country?

Yes. The Government Department charged with doing it is External Affairs, and the Institute of Public Administration is the non-Civil Service agent that is administering the scheme. It has given these young men a series of lectures before they went to Government Departments and down to certain local government bodies and it is the Institute of Public Administration that handles them on our behalf.

Coming back to what we can do for Africa, I said I would much prefer that the people we get from Africa would be those of the post-graduate type or people coming to look for administrative experience. The secondary schools and the universities in most of the young countries in Africa are expanding very rapidly and I should hope that before many years they would be able to train in their own homelands a number of young men and women who will be able to run their countries. From the point of view of expense alone, I think we should try to give them help in Africa or train post-graduates here to help them to organise their own countries.

One other aspect of this problem we have tried to help is the provision of Irish civil servants and teachers for these young countries who have requested such help. As the members of the Dáil may know, for a number of years now, civil servants or teachers who wish to go to Africa for a year or two are guaranteed that their seniority and their pensions will be kept in good standing.

Deputy Corish asked about the countries that did not subscribe to the UN and what would happen to them. There is a long list of countries in all parts of the world and some of them will soon have reached the arrears which amount to more than two years' subscription. It seems to me quite evident that when that time arrives there will be a situation in the United Nations whereby, under the terms of the Charter, those who do not pay or keep themselves below the two years' arrears will lose their vote. I hope it will not come to that.

In regard to the Irish-American Foundation, I take it the tendency will be to run it more or less on the Fulbright lines, that American students will come here and Irish students will go to America. However, the Certificate of Incorporation of the Foundation, a copy of which is in the Library, provides that the directors of the Foundation may promote an exchange not only of students between universities and colleges but of professors and may also promote an exchange of musicians, artists and technicians of various kinds. The Certificate of Incorporation is wide enough to enable the Foundation to do a good job of work. Its activities will be known and if it were to spend too much money on one activity to the detriment of other activities that should be taken care of, it would be amenable to public criticism. I have every confidence that the men who have so generously burdened themselves with being the first directors of this Foundation will do a good job of work and will try to get a good exchange of students and professors, so that not only will young Irishmen benefit by experience in America but that Americans will benefit and will learn something of the Irish way of life and get to know the Irish people while doing some further study and lecturing.

Deputy Carroll asked whether this Foundation would be confined to the Twenty-Six Counties. The answer is no. It is to promote, aid, develop and support cultural, educational, literary and scientific relations between the United States and all parts of Ireland.

Vote put and agreed to.
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