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Dáil Éireann díospóireacht -
Wednesday, 21 Oct 1987

Vol. 374 No. 4

Adjournment Debate. - Tallaght (Dublin) Development Project.

I understand that I have 20 minutes. I should say I intend to share some of my time with Deputy Mary Harney who is also in the constituency. I think Deputies Flood and Seán Walsh will also be participating, partly in the Minister's time.

I want to express my sincere thanks and appreciation to you, a Cheann Comhairle, for having given me the opportunity of raising this most important matter on the Adjournment this evening. It concerns the Kiltalown development project in west Tallaght, County Dublin.

I want to outline briefly to the House what is the situation obtaining in that part of west Tallaght. This is an area developed almost in its entirety by local authorities. Dublin Corporation and Dublin County Council went in there, constructed houses over the last ten years and have provided little or nothing else. The unemployment situation obtaining in west Tallaght bears no relationship even to other hard-hit areas. The appalling truth of the situation is that there is an approximation of some 70 per cent of the people of this area without employment. There is a feeling of hopelessness, of depression that has to be seen to be believed and that can be felt tangibly when one visits the area. That is a sad prospect to have to contemplate but a remarkable thing occurred there.

A group of local people from these local authority estates emerged from that situation, came together to form a committee which they call the Kiltalown development project. They did this for the purpose of helping themselves, of organising employment to utilise the skills of the unemployed who live in that area, from their own resources and knowledge. They came together and approached every available agency. They approached Dublin County Council, the Taoiseach, the Minister for Labour, the Environment and Industry and Commerce. They have made remarkable progress on this project. They have secured a premises from Dublin County Council. I must acknowledge the appreciation that Dublin County Council showed of what was being endeavoured by the people of the area. They gave voluntarily, without charge, to this project committee the outhouse buildings and stable buildings of the former mansion in the area called Kiltalown House together with a degree of surrounding area so that these could be repaired and sectioned off to provide units where skilled but unemployed people from the area could come in and set up useful productive work for the purposes of coming off the dole. That was donated to this committee by Dublin County Council.

The committee then sought basic assistance to develop the project, to roof these buildings, wall them off, to provide doors and so on. They did an enormous amount of work. They have provided drawings and plans. They provided a whole manifesto, a whole booklet outlining what they were about, covering the areas in which they would work. They costed their enterprise very carefully and the total estimate was £70,000 — not £700,000, not the £25 million that Mr. Larry Goodman has had approval for. No, for this project they required merely £70,000. They sought that funding from all the Government agencies, from Government Ministers, from this Government who one would have thought over the years had such grandiose ideas to help people to do their own thing.

How was it not done when the Labour Party boys were in office?

The Minister of State may hear me out. This project was devised since the change of Government. I can assure the Minister of State that the Labour Party, in Government, would have had no difficulty in making £70,000 available for this project.

Applications were received from the people of the area, very many from people with ideas of what they would do in these units given the opportunity. The committee sat down, vetted the applications and ascertained who these people were. I and some other Deputies representing the constituency have met many of these people who want to set up in these units. They are remarkable people. I am confident that these people could come off the dole and set up as viable manufactures there. More than that, many of them have said that they would bring in apprentices, young school leavers, from the area and train them in their skills. I might mention just a few of the works intended which have been examined carefully by the committee and found to be viable. For example, one man would set up doing graphics, framing and designs and posters; another man could work with steel; another would manufacture non-ferrous products, another would manufacture ornamental gates and railings and in fact did so for one of the local schools: what a magnificent and fine job he made of them. Another man would make ornamental lamps and lamp standards. Another would carry out bicycle repairs and engage in electrical works, another in light engineering and components therefor, another would produce an historic newspaper, another would do security and services and another, arts and crafts and picture framing. These are just a number of the projects found to be viable.

This is not something that would cost money in the short or medium term. If provided through one Government agency or Minister — the £70,000 would take these people off the dole. That is the object of the exercise. I do not come here to seek to charge this Government with extra money. On the contrary, I seek to give these people a chance, through their own efforts, through self-help, to come off the dole and save the State money. They do not want to be unemployed. They have researched the market. They have ascertained that they can sell their wares and products if they are provided with an initial premises and set up there at a nominal rent. Then, when they get underway, they would hope to pay a more moderate rent — which they would be capable of doing — to the committee running this centre.

It is estimated that if just those 22 viable projects, which have been examined and approved so far, were got off the ground, 140 people would come off the dole in the west Tallaght area — taking on helpers, apprentices and so on.

As the House will know, the social welfare payments alone saved would soon surpass the £70,000, which is all it would cost initially. I sometimes wonder where is our sense in this country when we see native working people who — without training, education in university or in technical schools — are prepared to help themselves in one of the most deprived areas of the country. They had that hope and enthusiasm to come together, devise this project, bring it to Government asking for a miserable £70,000. The Taoiseach says he will refer it to his Ministers for earnest consideration. The Minister for Industry and Commerce, Deputy Reynolds, said it was a positive step and he thought the YEA would fund it. The Minister for the Environment, Deputy Flynn, said he had no money and could not help. The Minister for Labour, Deputy Ahern, said he would arrange for the YEA to put up £13,000 if the other £57,000 was raised locally. How can one imagine £57,000 being raised in an area of local authority housing where 70 per cent of the people are unemployed and in many cases have no bread on the table? The mind boggles at that kind of suggestion.

I pay tribute to men like Paddy Gannon and Jim Lovett who are the mainstays of this project and the driving force behind it, with the aid of a very able committee. Why can we not give them a positive response? I know they are not Japanese, Americans or Germans. They are just Dublin working people but they are prepared to provide 140 jobs. How many millions would the IDA be prepared to hand out to Japanese, Germans, Americans or Italians to provide 140 jobs in one of the most depressed areas in the country? Yet we deny these people. It is an outrage and a disgrace. It is a reflection on the Government and on all of us that we cannot help them.

We had a conference with the IDA in recent days and they seem anxious to help. They have had land in Tallaght for some ten years which they had hoped to develop. They are about to spend £50,000 on fencing the land because they have left it in such a disgraceful condition that it has been an eyesore all these years. They have £50,000 to fence their land but they cannot provide £70,000 for a viable project to take 140 local people off the dole. I cannot understand it.

I have known the Minister of State, Deputy Ger Connolly, for many years and I have great respect and admiration for him. I do not know if he has been involved in this matter until now but knowing him I hope he will agree that £70,000 is a bargain to provide 140 jobs. I hope he will give to the people of west Tallaght enthusiasm and encouragement and a spark of hope and light. They themselves have set up and organised this project. I am not looking for political kudos or to score points off anybody. I am asking purely and simply for hope for the people of west Tallaght. They have devised this scheme themselves and I am asking the Minister to give them the green light to go ahead. They will show what can be done. They will train apprentices and provide a community focus.

They have magnificant plans for that centre if they are given the chance. They have people prepared to come in on a voluntary basis to train youngsters and give advice on how to handle bank accounts and to carry on business activities such as buying, selling and marketing. The whole project is fine honed and they have prepared a substantial booklet on it. How many people could produce such a booklet coming as they do from a depressed area? The booklet has been circulated to semi-State bodies and Government Departments. The Minister knows it is right and that it makes sense. I appeal to the Minister to do the right thing. Give us these 140 jobs and this miserable £70,000. Never mind the fencing. We got on without £50,000 worth of fencing for ten years and we can manage without it for a bit longer. There is a good deal more I could say but I have agreed to give some of my time to other Deputies representing the area.

I am happy to have an opportunity to lend my voice in support of Deputy Taylor and the provision of this much needed enterprise centre in what he has described as a very depressed area. When people look to this House many of them see in it a political system that is basically unfair and very unjust, particularly to the less well off and under-privileged members of our society. Rarely is a speech made by a Government Minister, particularly in these times of cutbacks, that does not contain a phrase claiming that the Government will look after the interests of the less well off and the disadvantaged. If we really believe that, these are the very people we should go overboard in trying to help. This case involves people who are unemployed and who want to help themselves. They want some dignity and work. They do not want to waste away in their homes but want to provide opportunities and to give example.

Deputy Taylor has referred to the response these people have received from various Government agencies and Departments. It took them months to get near a Minister. He told them he thought it was a good idea and looked great. Words are easy but subsequently they were told they would have to raise £57,000 themselves in order to get £13,000 from the State.

Earlier this evening and last week we were discussing a ministerial pensions Bill. The introduction of that legislation would save £250,000 each year by stopping the payment of pensions to serving Members of the Oireachtas. The money saved would enable us to help this group and others like it several times over. Yet we choose not to do that. There are many people who have been able to get from Government Departments and the IDA money they could easily have raised in the banks or on the Stock Exchange. They have security and a long economic and business history. These people have only to make a telephone call, write a letter or come to a meeting and they can get millions. Recently in Japan I met many of our fine representatives working on behalf of the IDA, trying to find somebody there who would come to this country and establish a business. Such people can get money very easily but when it comes to our most disadvantaged people we never seem to want to know. We satisfy ourselves with the tired old rhetoric that they must have a proven record and so on.

Is it any wonder that people in these areas are turning away from the established political parties because they see in this House and around the country the established political parties kicking them in the teeth and keeping them down constantly? If we really mean business we should show these people that their efforts will be recognised, that they are the kind of people we need to support to build up this country and provide opportunities. They are the kind of people who should get the support of Members of this House.

We all know that even in these difficult times £70,000 is chickenfeed. Any junior Minister could make a decision any day of the week, without consulting anyone, to approve £70,000. These people have a premises; they simply want to renovate it. They have the land and the people, 70 per cent of whom are unemployed. They live in an area without even basic facilities. Tallaght — west Tallaght in particular — was to be the promised land, the great new town in the suburbs of Dublin. People were supposed to rush there because of all the opportunities and facilities that were to be provided. What is happening? We have the IDA spending £50,000 on fencing off their lands while these hard-working people cannot get even £70,000 to put this operation in hand. It is a disgrace and I hope the Minister will be able to give some hope. If he wants to, he can say that this £70,000 will be made available immediately to these people.

I note the Minister is sharing his time with Deputy Flood and Deputy Walsh. That is in order. The Deputies and the Minister will appreciate that the House will adjourn at 9 p.m.

From the contributions of the two previous speakers one would inevitably be drawn to the conclusion that no help has been given to this organisation by the State agencies. I want to put on record that this project has reached the present stage through the involvement of State agencies, and in particular through AnCO and the Youth Employment Agency. Over the past two years the Youth Employment Agency employed an enterprise worker whose name, Jim Lovett, has been mentioned already. He has done tremendous work to develop this project. AnCO have assisted on numerous occasions by visiting the site and by assisting the promoters in drawing up plans and designs, at the expense of AnCO I might add. Together, these two agencies have assisted the West Tallaght Community Council in bringing this project to its present stage.

The project is not without its complications for Dublin County Council, the local authority of which Deputy Harney, Deputy Taylor, Deputy Walsh and I are members, have not yet completed their part. They have not signed over the lease to this group which I understand from my work with them is a very inhibiting factor in their efforts to raise finance from other organisations that are well disposed to helping west Tallaght financially. In our role on Dublin County Council the four of us have the job of trying to bring this issue to a satisfactory conclusion. I want to pay tribute to the Youth Employment Agency who came out to west Tallaght on several occasions and recently spent a full day working with this group and helping to bring the project to the present stage.

Of course we look to the Government and the Government agencies for any additional help we can get for west Tallaght. Deputy Taylor mentioned the contribution from the amenity grants which could have been used to help this project, but the amenity grant system has been used very effectively in this parish. Recently he confirmed the funding of a new community centre for which planning permission has been submitted. Through this scheme this area will receive a grant of £50,000. That scheme has played a role in this parish and I congratulate the Minister because in other areas facing similar difficulties he was forced to change his plans but he kept faith with the people of west Tallaght and they appreciate that.

There are issues which must be clarified but if the local authorities, Dublin County Council and Dublin Corporation, work together with State agencies we can bring this project to a satisfactory conclusion.

I appreciate there is only a limited time available——

I am sure the Deputy will appreciate that the Minister of State will need time to make his contribution.

I support the work of Mr. Lovett and Mr. Gannon. I support the project fully while appreciating the problems involved. Deputy Flood has put the record straight about the help received to date. During my time as chairman of the Belgard Committe of Dublin County Council, we made a house available. I would be only too happy to provide any support which would bring this project to a satisfactory conclusion.

I do not wish to make this a political matter, but when I was on the Opposition benches I raised many matters. I did not hear Deputy Taylor speak very much about west Tallaght during the four and a half years the Coalition were in office and when members of his party, including the Tánaiste were responsible for various Departments. Possibly he could have done a great deal more for the people of Tallaght at that time. Nevertheless, I admire the way in which he raised this matter this evening and I fully support that move.

I apologise for the absence of the Minister who has an important engagement in Limerick. I understand why this subject has been raised on the Adjournment. The Government are conscious of the problems facing areas like Tallaght and wish to increase employment in the area. For the past two years there has been a COMTEC project in Tallaght under the auspices of the Minister for Labour, the purpose of which is to get the community and the State agencies working together in the interests of the local area and to ensure that Tallaght gets its rightful share of the national resources for the unemployed and the under-privileged. When we took office my Department were very sympathetically disposed towards this area and a grant of £50,000 was given.

I want to make it clear that we have a commitment to this area. I want to assure Deputies that I will ask the Minister for Labour to have a special look at this matter. I will also ask the IDA and my colleague, the Minister for Industry and Commerce, to help because I appreciate the way Deputies have put forward their case. I will be fair and see what I can do. I will take this matter up personally and pursue it with my colleagues and the other agencies. I will also be asking the officials in various departments to look at this matter as sympathetically as possible.

I am very much in favour of organisations and local communities working together and I will do everything I can to help people help themselves. I am in favour of encouraging such co-operation. I will start working on this matter immediately and I will do everything I can to bring it to a very satisfactory conclusion. These four Deputies have worked very hard for the people in the area and that is appreciated by all.

I want to express my thanks and appreciation for the Minister's reply and look forward to hearing further from him.

The Deputy will hear from the Minister for Labour.

The Dáil adjourned at 9 p.m. until 10.30 a.m. on Thursday, 22 October 1987.

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