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Dáil Éireann díospóireacht -
Friday, 22 Nov 1991

Vol. 413 No. 4

Supplementary Estimates, 1991. - Vote 30: Marine.

I move:

That a supplementary sum not exceeding £1,000 be granted to defray the charge which will come in course of payment during the year ending on the 31st day of December, 1991, for the salaries and expenses of the Office of the Minister for the Marine, including certain services administered by that Office, and for payment of certain grants and sundry grants-in-aid.

Before I deal with the Supplementary Estimate, I wish to express my appreciation of the remarks made by Deputy Bruton, Quinn and McCartan with regard to the accident in the port of Dublin last night. I want to associate myself with their remarks. Unfortunately the marine casualty which occurred last night in Dublin port involved, tragically, the loss of human life. As Deputies have noted, I was on the scene shortly after the casualty occurred and stayed with events during the night and morning. I expressed my sympathy to all those under stress in this incident and I take this opportunity now to do so again. In accordance with the suggestion of the Deputies who have already spoken, I join with the House in extending sympathy to those who have been bereaved.

I can assure the House that no effort will be spared — and I have given such direction to my Department — in investigating this casualty with the utmost care and rigour. To that end, I have appointed Captain Christopher Davies, nautical surveyor, together with Mr. Gordan Adamson, ship's surveyor of the Marine Survey Office of my Department, to hold a preliminary inquiry into the casualty on my behalf under the Merchant Shipping Act. I am determined that we shall learn the lessons that must be learned and that we shall apply those lessons in the interests of improving safety at sea and the protection afforded to seafarers in the future.

Since becoming Minister for the Marine I have put as one of my highest priorities the improvement of the capacity of this State to respond to marine emergencies. Existing arrangements were examined with great thoroughness and the process of radically upgrading the systems in place to coordinate emergency response efforts and the infrastructural facilities which facilitate that response is well in hand. I will cover that aspect in more detail in the course of my later remarks. In the meantime I extend my heartfelt thanks to the personnel of all the emergency services involved last night, including my own staff, who worked selflessly in the true tradition of this country, which rates human life very highly, to save life and bring the situation under control.

The request which I am making to the House today is to approve a Supplementary Estimate for a token amount of £1,000. I am happy in requesting this amount that I have not caused undue anxiety for my colleague, the Minister for Finance, as he settles into a brief which promises to be a particularly demanding one for him in the months ahead. While the amount which I am requesting by way of Supplementary Estimate is £1,000, that figure embraces significant internal reallocations within my Vote and I am glad of this opportunity to explain these to the House and also to take the opportunity to highlight a number of the important achievements of my Department during 1991. I have been able to cater for essential increased demands on my Vote in two ways. Firstly, I have insisted upon the most prudent management of all expenditure programmes during the year and the elimination or curtailment of certain expenditures when that option became necessary. Secondly, I have through executive action maximised and substantially increased appropriations-in-aid.

I believe that it is a substantial achievement of my Department to be in a position today to cater for the essential increased demands on its resources without a call on the Exchequer for increased funds. The main components of the increased demand are first and foremost the cost of the greatly enhanced marine search and rescue capability which I have insisted should be put in place and, second, the costs associated with the inquiry into the Ballycotton tragedy, an inquiry which I insisted upon in the interests of the truth and the prevention of a repetition of that event. I will now detail for the House the changes which have been necessitated and for which I am seeking its approval.

Subhead A3 — Commissions and special inquiries — calls for an additional sum of £618,000. This is in respect of the costs involved in conducting the formal investigation into the Ballycotton tragedy. While the legal costs of the Ballycotton tragedy have not yet been agreed, it will under the terms of the judge's report be necessary for me to meet these costs when they are determined. It is necessary therefore for me to make a provision in the Estimate and I have used as a basis the claims made.

Following the tragic loss of the lives of four officers of the South Western Regional Fisheries Board on 7 July 1990 off Ballycotton, County Cork, I appointed Captain W. A. Kirwan, Marine Surveyor of my Department and now head of the IMES, to report on the circumstances of the deaths and on what steps should be taken to prevent a recurrence. Captain Kirwan's report was presented to me in August 1990. Having carefully considered this report and taking account of public disquiet I decided that it would be in the public interest to hold a formal investigation into the incident under the Merchant Shipping Acts. In reaching this decision I was also conscious of my dual responsibilities for maritime safety and for overseeing the fisheries boards.

The investigation was held in February in City Hall, Cork, and was chaired by Judge Michael Reilly, who was assisted by two assessors, Commander John Jordan of the Naval Service and Captain John Allen of the Commissioners of Irish Lights. The court investigated all aspects of the incident at a public hearing. I received the report of the formal investigation in July. The report was made public on 17 July and advance photostat copies were made available to relatives of the deceased and other interested parties.

In relation to legal costs, the Merchant Shipping Acts, under which the formal investigation was conducted, provide that the court of formal investigation may make an order as to the costs. On concluding the investigation the court made an order awarding costs to a number of individuals. The additional allocation being sought is for the most part comprised of these costs. Also included are the practical costs and expenses which were involved in the setting up of the formal investigation. The money spent on this inquiry, I can assure the House, is not wasted money. The lessons learned are being taken on board and followed up with thoroughness.

An additional £137,000 is required under subhead B1 in respect of travel and incidental expenses. My Department, headquartered as it is in Dublin, have responsibilities which extend throughout the entire coastal waters of the State. These responsibilities are many and they cover safety, aquaculture development and regulation, sea fisheries development and regulation, harbour development and coastal protection, to instance a number. I take each of these responsibilities seriously and I insist on a proactive hands on approach by my Department in handling the issues as they arise. That means getting staff to where they need to be and keeping them there until the job is done. Some of the additional costs arising here will be recouped later through appropriations-in-aid — for example the costs associated with my Department's response to the Capitaine Pleven II marine emergency incident earlier this year.

I must point out to the House, and this reinforces my comments earlier about my Department's management of budgets in 1991, that expenditure under this subheading will be down substantially, by £63,000 in fact, on its level in 1990.

Nineteen ninety-one has seen the continuation of the implementation of the Fishery Harbours Development Programme, 1989-93. This programme provides for an investment of £20 million in our fishery harbours and attracts Structural Fund assistance under the Operational Programme for Rural Development of £7.5 million over the period 1991-93. The main objective of the programme is to provide an adequate infrastructure for the development of our fishing industry. It concentrates on the five fishery harbour centres at Rossaveel, Dunmore East, Howth, Killybegs, and Castletownbere, which are owned by my Department; a number of strategically located secondary harbours such as Dingle and Greencastle; and a small number of other harbours which cater for needs which cannot be satisfied elsewhere and which require improvement works.

In 1991 we have built on the progress made in former years. Work has continued apace on the major development works at Rossaveel, Dingle and Greencastle, while work was started on the restoration of Roundstone Pier, County Galway. Significant investments were also made in the continued upgrading of the fishery harbour centres. All told, almost £4 million will be spent on the development of fishery harbours this year. This level of investment illustrates my commitment to ensuring that our fishermen have the facilities necessary to land their fish and that the Irish economy derives the greatest benefit possible from the fishing resource.

In the particular context of the Supplementary Estimate an additional provision of £230,000 will be made in subhead E5 of the Vote, which covers the recreational berthage which is being provided as part of the Dingle Harbour Development together with the major improvement works which are underway at Inishbofin, County Mayo. I hope to complete the Inishbofin works this year and this will greatly improve facilities for the islanders and visitors to the island. This additional expenditure is offset by savings of £311,000 in other harbour programmes.

An additional provision of £300,000 is being proposed for subhead F1: An Bord Iascaigh Mhara — Administrative and Current Development (Grant-in-aid). There are, of course, other provisions in the Estimates for BIM, namely, subhead F2: An Bord Iascaigh Mhara — Capital Development (Grant-in-aid), £3,000,000, and subhead F3: Repayment of Advances, £1,250,000. In addition, non-Exchequer advances in respect of BIM total £1,700,000. Accordingly, the total allocation, by way of voted and non-voted advances totals £9,750,000.

The original allocation for 1991 under subhead F1 was £3,800,000. Early in the year the board of An Bord Iascaigh Mhara proposed to me that in the light of the allocations made to them they could deploy their resources to best effect so as to achieve their objectives by reallocating part of their resources between their current and voted capital allocations. Such a reallocation would enable the board to: maintain the training programme courses to meet safety requirements and statutory regulations and enable EC funds of £250,000 to be drawn down; continue the exploratory fishing programmes for prawns, tuna and other non-quota species; put in place projects aimed at commercialisation of growing techniques for scallops, clams, oysters, abalone, eels and turbot; undertake technical information programmes designed to facilitate the development of aquaculture and to support conditions for growth; and proceed with market promotional programmes in UK, France and Germany for shellfish, farmed salmon and herring. I agreed to this reallocation and Deputies will note that savings of £450,000 are being recorded on subhead F2: An Bord Iascaigh Mhara Capital Development (Grant-in-Aid).

I am more than satisfied that this reallocation has served useful purposes. In particular, I should mention the marketing programme. I had the honour to take part in a number of BIM's promotions, both at home and abroad, particularly of Irish aquaculture projects, which continue to increase their share of foreign markets and to maintain an unparalleled record for quality.

An additional £250,000 is being provided for subhead G — Inland Fisheries Development. This additional amount is being financed by savings elsewhere on the Marine Vote. Subhead G comprises seven distinct items but the principal component, over 80 per cent, relates to the provision for the financing of the Central and Regional Fisheries Boards. Allowing for internal adjustments within subhead G and the additional £250,000 now being provided, the increased allocation for the fisheries boards comes to £500,000. Virtually all of this increase has been allocated for specific unavoidable additional expenditures, especially of a safety and legal nature arising from the Ballycotton Inquiry and the recommendations contained in the report of that inquiry.

As regards the legal expenses, I have already adverted when dealing with subhead A3 to the exceptional legal expenses arising from the inquiry. In the case, however, of two of the fisheries boards — the Southern and Central — these were not made parties to the inquiry and the provision made in subhead A3 does not provide for the exceptional and substantial costs arising. These two boards participated in the inquiry with my full knowledge and support as matters arose for both boards which were important in the context of the inquiry both for the boards themselves and the inquiry. I am totally satisfied, having assessed the financial position of the boards and the exceptional and substantial nature of this expenditure, that it is reasonable and appropriate that these boards, which are largely financed by the Exchequer, should be put in funds to cover the costs involved.

I am also satisfied that it is reasonable to make provision for necessary expenditures incurred by the boards in implementing the safety recommendations of the Ballycotton Inquiry which cannot be met from the budgeted allocation for the boards. Total expenditure to date on additional personal safety equipment and radio and electronic equipment, along with the provision of training on the lines recommended by the Tribunal, comes to some £450,000. I am glad to be in a position to find the funds from savings to facilitate these expenditures and I am sure that all Deputies will support the allocation proposed.

As the House is aware, the Pollution Operations Group, operating under the aegis of my Department, managed to deal successfully with the grounding of the vessel Capitaine Pleven II and the subsequent pollution threat in Ballyvaughan earlier this year. A claim for compensation is being finalised in my Department at present and I am hopeful that it will be paid at an early date. In the meantime, of course, some of the payments for the operation have had to be made and this is the reason for the extra £12,000 requested for the marine emergency subhead, L1, for this year.

This operation reflected great credit on the rescue services, for which they were appropriately honoured, and on the Department's response. It is an indication of the focus which my Department have brought to bear on these kinds of crisis and the necessity to keep under review at all times and to update as and when necessary the arrangements in place for emergency response. Last night's accident is an indication of the truth of that statement.

A small additional cost, £3,000 in all, arises under subhead L. This subhead provides for those Irish merchant seamen who were lost or injured during the last war, together with their dependants. The extra £3,000 covers medical expenses arising in respect of a seaman who was injured during the course of the last war.

Another small additional cost, again £3,000, arises under subhead T, which covers fixed interest subsidies for shipbuilding under a programme dating back some years. Interest rate fluctuations account for the increase here.

Two factors account for the increase of £14,000 in the level of subhead M, subscriptions to international organisations. The first is currency fluctuations and the second, the major component, arises out of Irish participation in an international working group looking at the development of a navigational aid system — known as Loran C in north western Europe.

I touched earlier in my remarks on the handling of a potential pollution emergency earlier this year. I have no doubt that the most important development in so far as I am concerned for many years is the establishment of the new competent marine emergency service under the aegis of my Department. In the last year there have been further major improvements within my Department in relation to search and rescue. In this context I propose an increase of £500,000 in the provision under subhead V — Marine Emergency Service.

In February of this year, I announced the approval of the acceptance of a tender from Irish Helicopters for the operation of a medium range helicopter operating out of Shannon to cover our area of responsibility for search and rescue, and this is the context of the additional £500,000 being sought for this subhead.

On 15 July the Sikorsky S61N became operational at Shannon making all our plans a reality. The service operated by Irish Helicopters Limited, a subsidiary of Aer Lingus at a cost of £25 million over a five-and-a-half year contract period is equipped with rescue equipment, winch and marine communications.

The Sikorsky S61N responds to marine emergencies on a 24-hour basis nationally with 15 minutes notice needed by day and 45 minutes by night. The service has an operational radius of 200 nautical miles with a carrying capability of 15 survivors and more capacity available over shorter runs. The service complements the fast response capability of the lighter Dauphin helicopter operated by the Air Corps by providing greater range and greater carrying capacity.

Since the service came into operation on 15 July 1991 the Sikorsky S61N has carried out 55 rescue missions. Many of these missions have been undertaken in atrocious weather conditions around the south, south east and west coast. Rescues include medium range, control, mountain, air ambulance and medical evacuation. The severe weather conditions we have experienced over the last month or so and the increase in the number of callouts is proof in itself of the vital necessity for this service.

As a further commitment to a more effective emergency response capability, training of the staff of the Irish Marine Emergency Service (IMES) has commenced with seven staff from the Coast Radio Stations and the Marine Rescue Co-ordination Centre just returned from a three week intensive search and rescue mission control course in the United Kingdom. The remaining staff will be trained at the Cork Regional Technical College commencing January 1992.

The Irish Marine Emergency Service in keeping with its responsibility for marine pollution response has organised a national oil pollution training course in Bantry from 2-6 December 1991 for 16 nominees from the coastal local authorities and 14 harbour authorities.

Radio equipment for a new marine rescue centre at Dublin IMES headquarters is on order and delivery is expected at the end of the year. Restructuring of the building to be used should commence soon.

It is planned to have the centre operational late March, early April, 1992. A new VHF station at Wicklow should be in operation at the same time.

The upgrading of the Commissioners of Irish Lights helipad at Blacksod for refuelling facilities has commenced and should be operational by the end of this year for the Sikorsky S61N. All of these achievements point to my commitment to strive for excellence in this area.

As I indicated to the House in my opening remarks, two factors have combined to allow these increased demands to be met. A total of ten subheads within my Vote will deliver savings which amount to £1,304,000. In addition to this, I am expecting to receive £762,000 in increased appropriations-in-aid. The major component of this increase relates to the fines and forfeitures in respect of the fishery offences sub-heading and this is attributed to a payment made in 1991 by the Department of Justice. Receipts under this heading are dependent on the number of arrests made, appeals concluded and other variable factors and by their nature are difficult to predict. In addition I anticipate other increased flows, for example, in respect of other licensing programmes operated by my Department. The bottom line, as I have indicated is the true Estimate which represents a net effect in relation to demands on the Exchequer.

In conclusion, molaim an Meastachán don Teach.

It is sad and appropriate that we commence the debate on the Supplementary Estimate for the marine with our commiserations and concern in regard to the accident in Dublin Bay. As other Members said I hope there will be no more than one death as a result of the accident and that the other two members of the crew will be found safe and well. We send our best wishes to those who have been injured and to their families. I join with the Members in complimenting those involved in the co-ordinated rescue effort which got off quickly and expeditiously and helped to save lives.

Communicating during the night was difficult. The Minister and staff of his Department deserve praise for their presence as do staff of the B & I and others involved in the rescue operation. It must have been a tremendous relief to people who were worried and identified closely with this accident, that at least they had constant communication. Like the Minister said, I would like to think that as a result of this accident — and also the Ballycotton tragedy to which he adverted — lessons will be learned and that the emergency services will continue to be developed. I hope there will not be many such accidents but in the event of them occurring every effort should be made to avoid loss of life and prevent pollution. I join with other Members in expressing concern on that issue.

I am relieved that the containers floating around Dublin Bay and Dun Laoghaire do not contain dangerous toxic substances. It is a timely reminder, after we disposed of the Sea Pollution Bill that every effort should be made to ensure that the Department of the Marine, and other Departments, are made aware of the cargo being brought into our country so that we can deal with any difficulties promptly. Under the Sea Pollution Bill we must ensure that containers of dangerous substances are not brought into this country without due regard to the safety element. As the Minister said, life at sea is one of commitment and service and at times a high price has to be paid. I pay tribute to everybody who keeps the water laneways and our communications systems open for passengers and cargo ships.

I welcome the Supplementary Estimate in so far as it gives us an opportunity to hear a progress report from the Department of the Marine. I can understand the Minister's satisfaction that the Supplementary Estimate cost the Exchequer only an extra £1,000 and savings have been made in certain areas. In the subheads under which savings are made, I noticed that savings were made on consultancy services, staff training and development, on the development of harbours for commercial fishing and so on. I welcome what the Minister said with regard to allocating money for some of the principal fishing harbours but I would remind him that there are other harbours apart from those designated in this Estimate which should be considered for investment.

A saving of £153,000 seems to have been made with regard to Dún Laoghaire Harbour. I hope that 1992 will not pass without substantial investment in Dún Laoghaire Harbour. When the reports and plans are finalised I hope the money will be allocated to implement the plans. Perhaps the Minister will give us an update on that.

I welcome the results of the inquiry into the Ballycotton tragedy. I compliment those involved in the inquiry on the recommendations that emerged from it. We should follow up on those recommendations. I cannot let this opportunity pass without again offering sympathy to the relatives and other people so badly affected by that terrible tragedy. As a result of the implementation of the recommendations from the inquiry I hope that never again will we have such a tragedy.

Under subhead E.5 the Minister says that investment will be concentrated on the five fishery harbour centres. We are working against time with regard to the problem of coast erosion and I would like the Minister to give us a progress report on developments. Budgetary provision should also be made for storm damage, although it is not something we can play for. The Minister in his speech referred to our efficient and effective, newly placed emergency rescue services. The need for such services illustrates the amount of storm damage that occurs here. Storm damage does not give rise to sea rescues. There is also huge damage to fish farming. I hope that the 1992 budget will include an allocation for damage to fish farming. There was a severe storm at the beginning of 1991 which caused damage amounting to about £1 million to fish farming stocks on the west coast around Connemara. The Minister indicated in the House that EC Commission funding is not available for that. In view of the vast potential of fish farming which is still a developing industry here, will the Minister in policy discussions at European level try to include EC funding to at least match Government funding, to compensate for storm damage to fish farming?

We all welcome the allocation for training. Apart from career structures, working conditions and so on, it is absolutely essential to have adequate training in order to avoid tragedies when people are working under pressure.

The Minister expressed dissatisfaction at BIM's marketing programme. We all realise that BIM must play an increasingly aggressive part in increasing our exports and marketing processed fish products. Development in this area has been neglected, especially when we consider the sophistication of the Scandinavian countries and what a small country like Denmark can do with regard to fish processing. There is huge potential for development there. I am glad that BIM are concentrating so much at this stage on non-quota species of fish. Can we expect a progress report on our success in finding, catching and processing non-quota fish which will be more marketable. We hope quotas will be increased, but even if they are, we need to explore further. In marketing acceptable environmentally clean fish, we have a real part to play with regard to non-quota fish species such as prawns, tuna scallops, clams, oysters, abalone, eels and turbot. We know there is a market out there for high quality well presented products like that. That is one of the biggest dimensions. We should increase our exports and hopefully the number of jobs here as well. If we are pragmatic we should be able to do that.

Pollution has threatened us a few times during this year. We have been warned again and again how important it is to have a well trained emergency service team to combat that. I would join with the Minister in paying tribute to everybody who dealt so successfully with the vessel Capitaine Pleven II when it was grounded off one of the most beautiful parts of the western coast at one of our deepest and best harbours, Ballyvaughan. But for prompt rescue and pollution services being concentrated totally and completely on it this would have been the greatest environmental tragedy that could have hit not only the west but the country as a whole. We were very lucky also that the vessel managed to hold without leaking. That incident reminded us of the suddeness with which this sort of thing can happen. Even though we do not have a highly industrialised fishing industry or highly industrialised toxic or chemical industries, we are still open to threat from other vessels along our shores.

We all welcome the siting of the 24 hour rescue service at Shannon. We should pay tribute to those who worked so hard to raise our consciousness and lobbied so hard to get that service there. I welcome the fact that the training of the staff and expansion of that service will continue. The fact that the Minister has reported that since the operation came in on 15 July 1991 the Sikorsky S61N has carried out 55 rescue missions illustrates the need for it. Some of these missions took place in atrocious weather conditions around the south, south-east and west coasts. In paying tribute to the staff there I would like to include a tribute to the RAF rescue service on the speed of the service they gave and their commitment beyond any boundaries of nationality when we recently had very bad storms and ships and crews were at risk in the Irish Sea. In fact, as I discovered during the year, the RAF cooperate and collaborate with our services without charge. I am sure the Minister would also like to have it on record that we appreciate not alone not having this charge added to the budget in financial terms but also the good neighbourliness between two island nations that it indicates.

I know Deputy Barnes well enough to know that she would not wish me to give her any preferential treatment. Accordingly I must advise her that she has one and a half minutes remaining.

I am amazed. I did not think my time had run out so quickly.

We on this side of the House will constantly monitor and question the implementation of all the recommendations coming from the Ballycotton Inquiry. We know they have been put in place but a follow up provision of equipment, staff training and supply of boats is absolutely essential to make sure those recommendations are implemented.

Let me use my last minute to point out to the Minister that Ireland has a huge distance to go in regard to research and development and marine science. We have only one research vessel, the smallest fleet in the EC. Yet we are an island nation and hope to be a fishing nation. Up to now we have only spent between 0.5 per cent and 0.8 per cent of the estimated EC total on marine research and development which is absolutely incredible considering we are surrounded by 24 to 25 per cent of the European Community's waters and we want to capitalise on the potential of that.

Our fish farming research is one of the lowest in the EC in relation to the volume of activity in that sector. In addition to that, Irish researchers are at a great disadvantage compared with their counterparts in other European countries and this situation needs to be addressed very quickly.

In welcoming the research and development allocations made to Galway and Cork, and hopefully a progress report on the Marine Institute and the first pieces of research being undertaken by that institute, we have to realise that, to use a marine term, we have a huge depth to catch up on.

The Deputy is beginning to fathom Deputy O'Sullivan's waters.

Investment, research and development and equipment to enable us to have the strong industry that we should have is absolutely necessary. I would like to think that the Minister could increase his budget in 1992 to accomplish that.

At the outset I would like, on behalf of the Labour Party, to express my deepest sympathy to the relatives of the people who died in the tragedy last evening and to compliment the emergency services who carried out their functions so efficiently. I also want to compliment the junior Minister, Deputy Denis Lyons, who was on his way to Cork but at the time returned to Dublin. This showed an awareness of a situation that has developed suddenly.

Each year it is the normal practice to introduce a Supplementary Estimate where it is deemed necessary by various Departments of Government, but the Supplementary Estimate before us this morning is much more than just that.

This year's Department of the Marine's Supplementary Estimate represents a more ominous and sombre situation, for included is the cost of the Ballycotton tribunal report which may have cost the Department and the State £618,000 but in actual fact has cost far more than that. It has cost the lives of Benno Haussmann, Dommy Meehan, Barry O'Driscoll, Barra O Loingaigh, men who have given their lives in the service of the State.

I think it is appropriate and important to reflect on this sad and tragic event today because what is vital is the fact that the findings of the tribunal clearly indicate and spell out in no uncertain manner the inadequacy of the funding for fishery boards throughout the country. Officers of the boards had to carry out their duties with inadequate equipment and without sufficient and proper training. If we are to learn anything from the tribunal report, we must carry out its recommendations to the fullest so that never again will a tragedy of this magnitude occur.

The Estimate before us this morning would not have been needed if the necessary funding was spent in the first place in providing the necessary equipment and personnel. Fishery officers are expected to enforce the laws which this House has passed without having the same powers as the Garda. These men and women are expected to protect a multi-million pound industry literally with their bare hands despite the fact that very often they are forced into confrontation where violence is used and serious threats are made against them.

These officers are put into the invidious position of having to enforce our fishery laws with very little back-up support. That situation is no longer acceptable. Urgent action must be taken to remedy it. We have a very valuable natural resource but it appears that we have not the means nor the will to protect it.

The tribunal clearly indicated that all the necessary resources should be made available if we are serious about protecting this industry for the benefit of the economy and future generations. I am not denying that it was necessary to hold the Ballycotton tribunal and I welcomed its establishment. This was necessary so that every person involved would have an opportunity to relate the facts as they saw and experienced them. The results are now public knowledge and I sincerely hope that they will be acted on.

The tribunal in its recommendations clearly outlined that while each regional fishery board should be autonomous they should have similar aims and equipment, adopt similar training programmes as well as similar operational criteria. These have been sadly lacking up to now. It is a fact that due to budget cutbacks — not made, I hasten to add, by the Minister but by previous Ministers — these could not be put into operation. Neither was it possible to interchange equipment or personnel because this co-ordination was lacking.

The tribunal also found that no meaningful additional resources, either staff or funding, had been provided for the boards. Financial cuts and embargoes together with voluntary redundancies and early retirements meant that the total number of staff employed was approximately 300, whereas the total number of staff in 1980 was over 400. When we take into consideration the fact that the area of operation for the industry boards has been extended from three miles to 12 miles the full impact of the enormous task facing the fishery boards is realised.

There is the important recommendation that the Central Fisheries Board should act in a co-ordinating and supervisory capacity and that it should be their duty to organise the training of personnel, the purchase of boats, equipment and clothing as well as to act in a consultative capacity for all the boards.

One of the most important recommendations of the tribunal relates to the training of personnel. There has been a glaring lack of professionalism, given that the basic entry requirements for a fishery officer are that a person be over 18 years of age, be of good character and have a full driving licence. The tribunal stated categorically that if these basic qualifications are to be maintained then each officer must on entering the service undergo basic training and before going to sea an officer should undergo training in all aspects of the protection services, which should include boat handling, communications, seamanship, safety, net recovery, vessel identification and first aid. I know for a fact that at least one of these four unfortunate officers, Mr. Meehan, had received no such training.

The tribunal stated that before a helmsman is appointed further training is necessary with the emphasis on radio training and boat handling. There is also the recommendation that an officer in charge should undergo a further course of training in all aspects of seamanship and safety. There is also the strong recommendation that officers onshore should act as a back-up service. It is stated that each person should undergo training in the use of marine band, VHF and high band VHF and FM radios and should be capable of putting into practice certain procedures in case of emergency.

The tribunal also recommended that all training courses should be organised by the Central Fisheries Board and when completed by an officer it should result in a proficiency certificate being awarded when the required standards are met. This provision would lead to the service being put on a proper professional level and being made safe and efficient.

The tribunal made the point in its findings that the operational criteria should have certain conditions attached relating to the type of boat to be used up to the six mile limit and should lay down rules that there should be no confrontation with those fishing illegally at the six mile limit. The tribunal also stated quite clearly that semi-rigid boats should patrol in pairs and never singly and be crewed by not less than three people. It is essential that these recommendations be implemented if the fishery boards are to act efficiently.

Beyond the six mile limit and out to the 12 mile limit the court found that much longer and faster craft with proper navigational equipment should be provided and that they should have the capacity to stay at sea for much longer periods and be capable also of being used as a back-up service for inshore patrol boats when needed. There is also the recommendation that operational criteria should be met by experienced, well trained senior officers who would undergo refresher course when necessary. The boards should have available to them consultants with expertise in boats, maritime safety, water pollution and any other speciality in relation to marine activity.

The Marine Rescue Co-Ordination Centre at Shannon has been substantially improved and upgraded to comply with the tribunal's recommendations. This is to be welcomed and I thank the Minister personally. I am aware that he has been very active in having this recommendation of the tribunal implemented as a matter of urgency. One of the most important findings of the tribunal is that it found that adequate resources and staff should be provided as a matter of urgency so that a boat's functions can be carried out as safely and effectively as possible. In doing this the Government will require the support not only of the public but of all elected representatives both nationally and, more importantly, at local level. I believe the Government have that support.

The public and all those involved in fishing now realise that our salmon stocks must be conserved if the full potential of the fishing industry is to be realised. It is in everyone's interest that our fishing laws are adhered to and enforced. The savings made in other departments to offset the cost of the tribunal will result in progress being restricted once again. This is a pity, given that the Maritime Institute is being set up and the Sea Pollution Act has passed through both Houses. It will cost the State a considerable amount of money to implement that Act. As Deputy Barnes has said, we are far behind many other nations in this respect. It is a pity that we are restricting expenditure in this area. I appeal to the Tánaiste and Minister for the Marine, who has a reputation of being a tough negotiator and a strong voice at the Cabinet table, to use his considerable skill and his resilience to make the case for the Department of the Marine so that that Department are no longer considered the cinderella of Government Departments when it comes to funding.

In conclusion let me, as the Labour Party spokesperson on the Marine, take this opportunity to place on the record of the House, taking into consideration the recommendations of the Ballycotton tribunal and the lack of necessary resources which fishery officers have to contend with, my admiration and gratitude for the loyalty and dedication to duty of all fishery officers, in particular the four men who lost their lives on 7 July 1990, especially Mr. Benno Haussman, the officer in charge, who I know was a very conscientious professional, had long years of experience in seamanship and enforced the laws of this nation with determination. He and his colleagues made the ultimate sacrifice in the course of their duty for this State.

This is a sad day for the marine. We are meeting to consider a Supplementary Estimate which deals primarily with the inquiry established to investigate the loss of four lives in the Ballycotton tragedy on the very day there has been further loss of life at sea. I too add my voice to those which have already been raised in this House to sympathise with the bereaved families. I compliment the emergency services and the lifeboat crew and indeed the Minister for his attendance at the scene of the tragedy.

The Minister referred to the lessons to be learned from the Ballycotton tragedy. Arising from last night's tragedy, I should like to see the fullest possible investigation into the collision of the two cargo vessels in Dublin Bay. This is the second collision in three years which occurred at almost the same point in Dublin Bay, involving cargo vessels, in perfect weather conditions. There are alarming similarities between this accident and the collision in February 1988 involving the MV Tipperary and MV Sumburg-Head. There is clearly something radically wrong with the procedures when, despite the availability of radar and modern communications equipment, vessels can collide in circumstances such as this. The loss of life is shocking but, if either had been a passenger vessel, the consequences could have been catastrophic.

There is now clearly a need for the Department of the Marine to carry out a thorough review of navigational procedures in Dublin Bay. The seriousness of the accident is increased by the fact that one of the vessels was apparently carrying toxic chemicals, while the container is reported to be secure there is clearly the potential danger of a major pollution incident until the vessel is recovered.

I would particularly like to refer to the accident which occurred in 1988 because, at that time, it was reported that two experts — Captain Barry McGrath and Mr. Joseph Bateson — had been appointed by the Department of the Marine to conduct a wide-ranging report which was expected to take six weeks and to remain confidential. The report was to be sent to the Minister for the Marine with recommendations regarding safety precautions and procedures. In view of the fact that this is the second accident which has occurred within the same area of Dublin Bay will the Minister, in his response, indicate to the House what happened to the report of the inquiry into the accident in 1988, if any lessons can be learned from it and if we can try to avoid accidents of this kind in Dublin Bay in inexplicable circumstances?

I should like to make a few comments about the Ballycotton incident. The report of the formal investigation into the Ballycotton tragedy in July 1990 is a damning indictment of the Government and successive Ministers for the Marine and Fisheries for the shabby treatment of our fisheries service. The report of the Ballycotton tragedy by District Justice Michael Reilly sets out in 160 pages the events surrounding the drowning of four fisheries officers in July 1990. There are seven major recommendations set out in the report on the role of the fisheries boards, boats, equipment, suits, training and operational criteria. This report is by far the most damning indictment of any Government which has been published in recent years. It clearly demonstrates that successive Governments and Ministers for the Marine have failed utterly to obtain sufficient funding for equipment, training and personnel for the protection of the country's fisheries and for the protection and security of the staff who are given the job of enforcing our fishery laws.

The Ballycotton tragedy was a product of short-sighted cost cutting measures which has led to a situation where fisheries officers have literally been taking their lives in their hands every time they went to work on behalf of the State. The Minister said that the lessons learned are being taken on board and followed up with thoroughness. This is the only progress report we have got from the Minister today on what is taking place in relation to the report of the inquiry into the Ballycotton tragedy; we were informed today that the report cost £618,000. This House is entitled to know in detail what the Minister proposes to do in relation to the recommendations in the report. He replied to parliamentary questions in this House in relation to this matter over the last couple of weeks but I was not very impressed with the response on that occasion. He states that he has sympathy with the views regarding the funding of the fisheries boards which, as Deputy O'Sullivan said, are clearly under-funded. However, he said that the funding of the fisheries boards cannot be looked at in isolation from the budgetary position generally and the reductions and tight controls which all agencies largely funded from the Exchequer have had to live with in recent years. He did — and I accept it was said in a humourous way — refer to the view that the Minister for Finance might take on the Estimate presented to the House today. Over the years, the Minister for the Marine has failed to obtain funding for the fishery services, they have been severely cut and the Ballycotton tragedy was a direct result. However, we still have not got a firm commitment from the Minister for the Marine and the Government in relation to funding our fisheries services. The industry itself, its potential for job creation, tourism and so on is far too important to leave in the under-funded state in which it is at present. That is the central lesson which has to be learned from the Ballycotton tragedy and which must be responded to by the Minister.

There is a number of matters in the Estimate and the progress report — as it was described by the Minister today — to which I should like to refer. However, before doing so, I should like to register a protest at the way in which we deal with these kinds of Supplementary Estimates in this House. I received this Supplementary Estimate this morning. It is not good enough that Members of the House should be expected to deal with and address matters relating to the taxpayers' money by way of a Supplementary Estimate being introduced at short notice, by the Estimate being circulated at short notice and our being expected to address it in a serious and informed way. Of course we can all make general statements regarding the fishing industry — there is plenty of opportunity to do so — but we are supposed to be addressing an Estimate presented to us.

There is a reference in the Minister's contribution to the funding required for a number of harbours, including funding required for developments at Dingle Harbour. I should like to raise a number of points in relation to this. The report of the Comptroller and Auditor General which was published recently referred specifically to the Dingle harbour development and drew attention to the over-spending in the early eighties in relation to developments at Howth harbour. It also drew attention to commitments which were given then that procedures would be put in place to avoid and prevent over expenditure in similar developments in the future.

The report goes on to detail the extent of over-expenditure which has occurred since 1988 at Dingle Harbour. A development which was originally estimated to cost £2 million is costing about £4.5 million. I acknowledge that the cost of that development is somewhat larger than was originally estimated, but as can be seen from the report of the Comptroller and Auditor General, while he records the response of the Department to the queries he raised, he does so without comment. It reads as though there is at least an implied criticism by him of the degree of over-expenditure at Dingle Harbour and that should be explained to us.

There is a second matter in relation to Dingle Harbour that the Minister should address. As the House is aware, there are proposals for a very controversial marina development at Dingle Harbour. Some time ago an inquiry was held in Dingle under the Foreshore Act, 1933, with regard to that development. I am informed that the report of that inquiry was presented to the Minister in early September. I would like to know when he intends to make that report available to make decisions arising from it. The reports of the inquiry indicated a great deal of urgency at that time on the part of the promoters of the proposed marina. I find it remarkable that while the Minister has had the report of the inquiry since the beginning of September he still has not published it, announced what he intends to do with it or made any decisions arising from it. Concern has been expressed locally about the replacement of the harbour board. The original harbour board in Dingle had opposed this development. They are now being replaced by the Minister with a harbour board who seem to be in favour of the development. This whole matter should be clarified.

Reference was made to the situation at Rossaveal. Again I would like some clarification from the Minister as to what happened there. Many complaints have been made that the Department of the Marine are treating the fishery co-operative and fishermen in that area very unfairly. We should be given further information about what is happening there.

The Supplementary Estimate provides for a small sum of money relating to pensions for former seamen. That prompts me to raise the matter that I never fail to raise — nor will I fail to raise until it is resolved — when we discuss marine matters in this House, that is the tragedy of Irish Shipping. In the course of the past six weeks or so there has been a great deal of public talk about business scandals. The Irish Shipping issue was, to use a fishing image the business scandal that got away. It is the single biggest business and political scandal that has occurred in this country in the past decade. How a major company of this kind could have ended up costing the taxpayer over £100 million in liquidation costs and so on, leaving the country denuded of a strategic fishing fleet, is unbelievable. I know this is a subject on which the Tánaiste is very keen. He has spoken much more eloquently than I even could on this issue on many occasions and when in Opposition he committed himself to (a) the restoration of the fishing fleet and (b) the provision of proper severence terms for the former employees of Irish Shipping.

It is only a few weeks since those former employees gathered in Dublin to celebrate — if that is not an exaggerated term — the 50th anniversary of the founding of Irish Shipping. Those people are still awaiting compliance with the severence terms promised to them. I have asked about this matter on several occasions in this House and the Minister still has not made a commitment as to what he is going to do about it. I have to ask yet again how much longer must these servants of the Irish State, who devoted their lives, as did their predecessors, to providing a shipping service for the State, wait in order to be dealt with fairly?

Finally, I want to refer to a topic mentioned by Deputy Barnes, that is the position with regard to Dún Laoghaire Harbour. In the course of the past year the interim harbour board which was established by the Minister invited the public to make submissions to them. That board produced an interim report, put it on public display and invited comments on it. Many members of the public and organisations commented on it but since then we have heard nothing. I raise this matter because one of the critical issues in relation to Dún Laoghaire Harbour which will have to be addressed urgently, is the continuing position of the car ferry. A central recommendation made in the interim report relates to the provision of a new car ferry terminal. Whatever we might say about the detail of what is contained in that submission — many people have different views about the style of architecture and so on — the issue of principle still has not been addressed, that is whether Dún Laoghaire will get a new car ferry terminal. Is there a hidden agenda in Government Departments that Dún Laoghaire Harbour car ferry is to be discontinued and that Dublin Port is to be developed as an alternative? I have no problem with the development of Dublin Port but I would be concerned if it was developed at the expense of Dún Laoghaire. The provision of a new car ferry terminal is an essential component of the future security and development of Dún Laoghaire Harbour and of the local economy.

This is not a matter that requires a great deal of drawing board work; it requires a political decision. We need a clear statement from the Government of their commitment to the retention of the car ferry service at Dún Laoghaire and, together with that, the development of a new car ferry terminal there. The car ferry in Dún Laoghaire cannot be retained without the development of a new car ferry terminal. Will such a terminal be provided? It has been requested on several occasions and it is a central recommendation in the report of the interim harbour board. All kinds of hints and suggestions have been made that it will not be provided. A clear decision needs to be made as to whether, for example, it will qualify for EC structural funding because the Government will have to put it in their programme which to date they have not done. I would like the Minister to state clearly whether the Government will approve the development of a new car ferry terminal at Dún Laoghaire. No doubt we will spend considerable time discussing and teasing out the detail of the development. However, the principle of the issue has to be addressed.

I too join with the other Deputies in expressing my sympathy on the tragic loss of life in Dublin Bay today.

I will refer briefly to Deputy Gilmore's contribution. I agree entirely with what he said about the unsatisfactory way in which this Estimate was brought before the House. It is ridiculous to expect us to respond to it in a meaningful way. It is another example of the way the procedures of this House are not working.

I agree wholeheartedly with everything Deputy Gilmore had to say on Irish Shipping. This débacle reflects very badly on all parties in this House with the exception of our party, the Green Party, and The Workers' Party who have never been part of any Government. Members of every other party are responsible for the way the staff of Irish Shipping were treated. Every year these people stand in protest outside the Dáil. I speak to them, it is the same old story: all I can say is, "I am sorry, I see you are here again this year." What can one say to these people who have been treated scandalously by the powers that be? In addition our merchant navy fleet has been totally decimated to the detriment of the country. I do not know what can be done, I suppose we will be discussing this problem next year and the year after.

I want to comment, as other Deputies have done, on the Ballycotton Inquiry. A large amount of money was spent in conducting that inquiry. As Deputy O'Sullivan, among others, has said, if only the money involved — £618,000 — had been spent on the service in the first place. Where has the money gone? It has gone to make the fat cats fatter. The fat legal cats are making a killing at such tribunals of inquiry. We should at some stage inquire into the grossly exorbitant legal fees that are charged in this country. When one considers how that £618,000 could have been spent on boats or training, is it not another typical example of the penny pinching, foolish cost cutting measures which were introduced?

I am very pleased to see that work has commenced on Roundstone pier. This is commendable. I am sure, however, the Minister is aware that there is strong local feeling that this is not sufficient and that it will be necessary to extend the pier. I know this will take money, and it gives me no pleasure to support in general the principle of higher State expenditure, because that is not what our party advocate, but the Minister should look for ways of involving the local community in this work. Perhaps the work could be carried out on the basis of a pound for pound contribution. There are many people on the unemployment register in Roundstone and the surrounding area and they are being paid provided they do not work. I am sure there are many public spirited people on the unemployment register who would be willing to work on a voluntary scheme to extend Roundstone pier, but the Department of Social Welfare would come down on these people and say they were now unavailable for work. This is ludicrous. It is not a problem of the making of the Department of the Marine but is another example of the way our crazy social welfare system works.

The fisheries boards are starved of cash at this very crucial time. Deputy O'Sullivan said that the staff of the fisheries boards have been reduced by 100. Does anybody inquire as to what has happened to the 100 people? They are probably being paid by the State to do nothing. The funding of the regional fisheries boards was raised on the Adjournment on 30 October 1991. The fisheries boards are running out of funds at a very crucial time for the spawning of sea trout and salmon. In his response — column 215 of the Official Report — the Minister of State gave the following commitment:

In the light of these developments I have asked for a full report from my Department on all aspects of financial control and management by the fisheries boards.

Perhaps the Minister will confirm that this has been done and give us an idea of when this report might be completed.

There has not been a single word about the problem associated with fin fish farming. I suggest one of the reasons we have had problems with fin fish farming can be found on the back page of the Estimates, under the heading "Savings". Savings made in running Government Departments, in general, are to be very much commended but this is another false saving. In subhead A.1 the Department have made a saving of £232,000 in terms of salaries. Quite obviously the Department are clearly understaffed in this area. The very good staff there do their best. I had occasion to go to the Department with a deputation of ordinary people, not blowins or holiday home owners — from Connemara about fin fish farming. These ordinary people are involved in shell fish farming or had interests in tourism but I feel bound to say that I was singularly unimpressed with the response, and the deputation shared my view. The Department admitted that they have no proper monitoring system, the legislation is inadequate and the allocation of licences are covered by two different fisheries Acts. This benefits no one. We all realise the importance of retaining and improving our salmon and sea trout industry. For the few jobs created by the fin fish farming industry, we have lost ten times as many in tourism and in shellfish farming, apart altogether from the intrinsic value of these wild and wonderful creatures. It is appalling that these wonderful creatures are locked up in cages and have no right to roam the seas as they have done for millions of years. We have taken it upon ourselves to imprison these wonderful fish in cages.

They have a great many enemies in the sea.

They have.

Is mian liom mo bhuíochas a ghabháil leis na Teachtaí a rinne staidéar ar agus a labhair faoi chúrsaí mo Roinne agus ar na fadhbanna atá ag baint leis. Tá seanfhocal ann: "Téann focail le gaoth", ach bíodh na Teachtaí cinnte nach mbeidh sé sin amhlaidh ó thaobh an méid atá ráite acu sa díospóireacht seo.

For the benefit of the general public I wish to read into the record a warning that has been issued this morning by Captain Liam Kirwan, Director of the Department of the Marine's National Marine Emergency Service:

Cargo containers from the stricken vessel the motor vessel Kilkenny have been washed off the vessel in Dublin Bay. While the containers are not considered to be hazardous it is likely that some may be washed ashore along the coastline north and south of Dublin Bay.

The general public are strongly advised by the marine emergency service not to go near any containers washed ashore and are requested to immediately notify local gardaí or the fire brigade services should any of the containers be sighted.

I should like to make some brief comments on the contribution made by Deputy Barnes. I appreciate the sympathy expressed across the board by Deputies to the victims of the accident in the port of Dublin. I should also like to accept and endorse the compliments paid to all participants in the rescue operation. As Deputy Barnes said, there was some concern about containers and the possibility of methyl acrylate being spilt in the port and causing trouble. I should like to tell the House that of the two possible chemicals that Asahi could be importing, methyl acrylate is the more benign. At about 2 o'clock this morning the Asahi inspector went out to the Kilkenny and assured me on his return that the TEU containing the methyl acrylate was undamaged and he was not worried about the danger of that kind of pollution.

In relation to Dún Laoghaire Harbour, I know Deputies Barnes and Gilmore have the national interest and a certain amount of local interest in the developments there. My comments will be for the benefit of them both. Deputy Gilmore mentioned something about a "hidden agenda", I wrote those words down. There is a commitment on the record of the House to maintain the ferry service at Dún Laoghaire. There is no hidden agenda. I assure the Deputy that if any official in my Department has a hidden agenda to the effect that the service should be closed down he or she will not get promotion from me, and is unlikely to get promotion in the future for acting in a fashion contrary to the declared policy of the Department. I am sure Deputy Gilmore will be delighted to hear that.

I thought promotion was a matter for the Civil Service Commission.

Deputy Barnes also referred to fish farming and the damage done by storm in late 1990 and early 1991. The possibility of Euromoney being available in that connection was explored. I wish to tell Deputy Barnes, that the whole operation is insurable and moneys for losses are recoverable from insurance companies.

I appreciate the comments made by the Deputy in relation to non-quota fish. That is very important because we are free to develop and catch as much non-quota fish as we possibly can. It is important for the House to realise that all shellfish are not on quota and, therefore, develoment in that area is to be welcomed. The market for all kinds of shellfish is great, oysters, scallops, clams, crabs and so on. We have been doing experimental fishing with regard to tuna. Of course, the major non-quota species we have been exploiting for several years now is scads, which at one time were not used for human consumption but for fish meal only. In recent years good quality scads have been purchased by the Japanese at prices comparable to those paid for herring and mackerel. The scad, also known as horse mackerel, is another non-quota fish. It may not be non-quota for long and we are trying to build up our catches of scads because if it is decided to impose a quota it will be based on the historic catches we will be able to make.

I appreciate Deputy Barnes' comments about the activity connected with the Capitaine Pleven II. I also wish to pay a well-deserved tribute to the rescue services and the pollution control services of my Department. I wish to put on record my deep appreciation of Clare County Council and, to a lesser extent, Galway County Council for their activities in that matter. That ties in with the importance of local input, a point highlighted by Deputy Garland.

Deputy Barnes also paid tribute to the Royal Air Force. I have already done so in the House on numerous occasions. The Royal Air Force have been more than willing to help us in the past and, as Deputy Barnes said, without charge. We are glad that we have initiated a process of reciprocation now that we have our own service.

As is only natural, Deputy Gerry O'Sullivan talked mainly about the Ballycotton tragedy and paid tribute to the four officers who lost their lives in the execution of their duty, all four of whom I had met before the tragedy. I thank Deputy O'Sullivan for the complimentary way in which he talked about what happened in Dublin port.

Deputies O'Sullivan and Gilmore referred to the recommendations. I thought I was on the record of the House in some detail in relation to the recommendations that have already been carried out, and the burden of my contribution today in reference to that subhead is connected with that. I assure the House that the recommendations have been, are being and will be taken with the utmost seriousness. We have put in place the recommendations of Judge Michael Reilly. Some legislative suggestions, needless to say, cannot be rushed through the House, particularly in relation to the powers of the officers vis-à-vis the powers of the Garda.

I am glad the Deputy expressed appreciation of what happened in the Marine Co-ordination Centre at Shannon, which had been updated.

The Cinderella metaphor is not one that appeals to me. The Department were set up in 1987. They have not ever assumed the role of Cinderella among Government Departments and would not accept that as their role. I assure the Deputy, and the House, that there is a full commitment to make the Department the effective and vibrant organisation they should be, dealing with an important industry that has great potential for economic development and employment.

I have dealt with the question raised by Deputy Gilmore in relation to Dún Laoghaire. There is no way I am going to preside over——

What about the terminal?

As the Deputy knows, there is an established harbour board in Dún Laoghaire. The harbour board, under the chairmanship of Professor McAleese, prepared and published a draft plan. The Deputy knows about that and, I am sure, made some observations on it. There was a very extensive response to the draft plan, which views, I understand, are now being taken into consideration. I am sorry if I am speaking very quickly but I have a very limited time at my disposal.

The Deputy also referred to Dingle harbour and mentioned a marina development there. There are two marinas there. There is an inner harbour marina development which is going ahead. I did receive a report on the other and will be dealing with that in the very near future. It is easy to talk about harbours, but when contracts and work get under way at times, as happened in Rossaveal, as the whole country knows the removal of rock, obstacles and so on necessitate expensive activities which must be coped with and paid for. I do not believe the people of Rossaveal have any grounds for complaint considering the very substantial investment of taxpayers' money there, which is well deserved. I would reject any criticisms of how Rossaveal was treated.

Deputy Garland mentioned the Ballycotton tragedy. I reget that I have to pay the legal fees, but that is the position; it had to be done. The Deputy also mentioned Roundstone. I know from the people of Roundstone that they appreciate the investment we have made there. The Deputy did say that there was an extension needed and he regretted that in that instance there was not local involvement. I should say there is local involvement: the elected representatives of the area on the county council are involved in all the developments of the minor harbours, that is the harbours that do not belong to me, as Minister for the Marine holding them for the State.

I should like to have more time to deal with the so-called fin fish problems raised by Deputy Garland. I want to say that there is no possibility of properly organised fish farms causing any damage to tourism. I know this from my time as Minister for Tourism.

Nonsense.

Many tourist Departments in other countries have now organised trips by tourists to fish farms where visitors are showing a deep interest.

Arís tá mé buíoch de na Teachtaí as ucht an méid a dúirt siad sa díospóireacht, agus tá súil agam go n-éireoidh go geal leis an tionscal seo.

The question is: "That the Supplementary Estimate be agreed to."

Vote put and declared carried.
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