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Dáil Éireann díospóireacht -
Tuesday, 13 Feb 2001

Vol. 530 No. 3

Private Members' Business - Nursing Home Subventions: Motion

I move:

"That Dáil Éireann

condemns the prolonged and systematic improper extraction of money from vulnerable old people in need of nursing home care and from their families by health boards, with the full knowledge of the Department of Health and Children, and

notes the flouting of legislation enacted by the Oireachtas and the trauma and distress caused to families by such attitudes which have been starkly outlined in the Ombudsman's report on nursing home subventions, and the failure of the Department of Health and Children to respond promptly and fully to the Ombudsman,

and calls on the Minister for Health and Children to take immediate steps to set up a mechanism to ensure that compensation is promptly paid in cases where people were unlawfully treated during the years 1988 to 1999.".

I wish to share my time with Deputies Connaughton, Coveney, Naughten and Clune.

Is that agreed? Agreed.

Tonight we debate a damning report from the Ombudsman on the treatment by health boards of vulnerable old people in need of nursing home care. Throughout most of the 1990s rich and powerful people in our society evaded tax through offshore accounts and the like. The State, rather than tackle this abuse, was, in the personage of the health boards, engaged in improperly extracting money from vulnerable old people and their families. The least that elderly people should be able to expect is that, having contributed to society all their lives, they will be looked after in their old age. Indeed, the Health Act, 1990, passed by this House, seemed to guarantee them this right, yet the law was systematically flouted. Elderly people had their meagre savings taken and even recently there seemed doubt as to whether these people or their families would be compensated. There should be no doubt, this report makes truly terrible reading.

The report of the ombudsman on nursing home subventions to the Dáil and Seanad states that the administration of this scheme is a cause of real concern. Among the doubtful practices identified were the making of regulations containing provisions which are likely to have been invalid, ultra vires the Act, including at least one instance in which the likely invalidity probably had been known in advance; the inclusion in a regulation of a provision which was almost immediately negatived by advice issued by the Department; the unreasonable prolongation of discussions with the Ombudsman's office in relation to practices which, it appears, were known from the outset to be invalid or incorrect and; the failure of some of the health boards to alter the practice even where the legal advice was that the practice was incorrect and where the Ombudsman had expressed the same opinion.

The report points out that between 1987 and 1988 further rationalisation of the hospital system resulted in the closure of eight district hospitals operated by health boards and voluntary hospitals. These included Dr. Steevens and Baggot Street in Dublin, Barringtons, Limerick, and the North Infirmary, Victoria and the eye, ear and throat hospitals in Cork. Between 1980 and 1990 the total number of hospital beds fell from almost 15,000 to 12,000. The closure of district and voluntary hospitals which had traditionally catered for older people had a serious impact on the availability of extended care places for older people.

Perhaps we should pause for a moment to consider what the moneys not paid in taxes at that time could have done for people in need of nursing home care and reflect on the famous slogan of the time "health cuts hurt the old, the sick and the handicapped". In essence, the Ombudsman's report deals with the payment by health boards of subsidies to elderly persons in private nursing homes as provided for in the Health (Nursing Homes) Act, 1990. It reports on the practice whereby the State deliberately and unlawfully took money from vulnerable elderly people who could not look after themselves or be cared for by their families and on how members of the fam ilies of the elderly persons, once they lived within the jurisdiction of the State, were unlawfully asked to have their incomes assessed and taken into account so that the services which were provided for by law, but for which the funding was not provided, would be funded by relatives by pressure and blackmail and without any lawful basis.

As pointed out by Fintan O'Toole in The Irish Times on 3 February last:

A key part of that story is subversion – the undermining of a law passed by the Oireachtas, not by organised crime or terrorism, but from inside, by health boards and the Department of Health and Children. It reveals a Dáil so careless of its own importance that it allowed its own decisions to be sabotaged.

I will return to this theme towards the end of my contribution.

Under the nursing homes Act elderly people are entitled to nursing home care. The public system does not have nearly enough beds, as I have pointed out, so the Act provided for health boards to subsidise the cost of care in a private nursing home environment. It also allowed nursing home residents to have one fifth of their old age pension disregarded and not treated as means – this would be their "pocket money". These two provisions were deliberately and systematically undermined by the health boards and the Department of Health and Children.

The report states that the 1990 Act does not make adult children legally liable for parents' hospital or nursing home costs. Despite this, the health boards refused subventions to elderly people on the grounds that their adult relatives could afford to pay the costs. This sometimes meant that the elderly husband or wife of the person in the home had to pay the full cost out of their own pensions, leaving them with little or nothing to live on. At the same time, six health boards, with the support of the Department of Health and Children, also ignored the "pocket money" provision.

To make matters worse the then Minister of State at the Department of Health, Deputy Willie O'Dea, writing in The Sunday Press in 1993, pointed out that under the 1990 Act “The health board is given no legal right to force a son or daughter to contribute.” Therefore, the Department of Health knew these actions were unlawful.

The Ombudsman's report notes the flouting of legislation in the following terms: taking shortcuts, disregarding legal advice, assuming powers which technically it did not have, resisting a growing weight of evidence and complaints that its subvention scheme was seriously flawed, the exercise of non-existent authority, the surreptitious introduction of family assessment, the disregard for clear principles of law, the sustained proffering of incorrect advice, the reluctance to acknowledge mistakes, the tardiness in the Department's dealings with the Ombudsman's office. Was there ever such an indictment by an independent investigation of any State body or agency? The report gives precise examples. The Southern Health Board refused subvention to an elderly Alzheimer's patient because of the income of her married daughter, who had not lived with her parents for 26 years. This elderly woman, suffering from Alzheimer's, was improperly and unlawfully deprived of her just subvention. For almost five years the daughter's theoretical contribution remained the basis for the Southern Health Board's decision to refuse a subvention. The claimant's husband, who was in his eighties, pointed out to the Southern Health Board that he was paying the full nursing home costs and that this left him with less than £23 per week to live on. Regrettably, the husband died suddenly before the complaint was resolved. Ultimately the Southern Health Board accepted that its decision was not sustainable and arrears of £14,027 were eventually paid.

This is not an isolated case. The Midland Health Board had a similar approach, as illustrated in extracts in the report. The Midland Health Board wrote as follows to the daughter of a subvention applicant on 9 April, 1998:

. . . the Health Board are therefore now requesting you to submit details of income by way of P60, tax assessment form, farming accounts, income from investments. The Health Board must be furnished with these details to enable us to determine your liability, if any. Failure to furnish this information will mean that the application for subvention cannot be proceeded with . . .

This demand was absolutely unlawful, without authority and showed no regard to the rights of a citizen. The daughter, quite rightly, responded as follows:

I wish to inform you that I absolutely refuse to furnish such details and demand that you assess my mother's entitlement to subvention on her own means. I feel she has been very badly treated by the Midland Health Board over the last three years in being refused what is her entitlement as a non-contributory old age pensioner with no other means of any sort.

There was a lady who understood what it meant to be a citizen and understood her rights under the law and Constitution. Was there no person in the Department or the health boards who could see through the arrogance of the administration in the way these people were treated? In this case, as the Ombudsman points out, the Midland Health Board eventually agreed not to have regard to the daughter's means following the intervention of the Ombudsman, and not until then. Arrears of subvention were paid.

A Christian society is judged by how it cares for its old and vulnerable citizens. This report indicates how far we have departed from that ideal given the activity of many of our health boards and our Department of Health and Children over such a prolonged period. As is clear from page 59 of the report, the health boards knew from their own legal advisers, as the Department knew from its legal advisers and from consultations the Department had with the Attorney General's office on 3 December 1997, that these actions were ultra vires the 1990 Act. The Department and the health boards knew they were acting unlawfully. What penalty will they now pay for flouting the law?

The Minister has put down one of his usual smart amendments to my motion but I call him to account as the constitutional political head of his Department to tell the House what penalty will now be paid by those who flouted the law and who treated vulnerable old people in this way. The Ombudsman made clear his views that general retrospection should be paid to those who have been unlawfully and improperly charged by the State and its agents. This is the least that should be done. The report states:

The detailed basis for this view will be clear from this report but, in essence, retrospection should be paid because the family assessment provisions were almost certainly legally invalid; health boards generally misled families into believing that they had an obligation to contribute; health boards generally withheld the information that elderly patients are legally entitled to long-stay care from the health board and that entering a private nursing home should arise only where the patient genuinely wishes to choose private care over public care; the Department knew from the outset that the family assessment arrangements were legally invalid.

The report continues by pointing out that the Attorney General's office advised the Department that there was no strict legal liability to pay arrears but, the Ombudsman's report continues:

On the basis of the information available to the Ombudsman and which is detailed in chapter seven, there is a contrary view to the position adopted by the Attorney General's Office; this casts doubt on the conclusion that there is no legal liability to pay subvention arrears.

As the report was being finalised in January 2001 the Department informed the Ombudsman that it had now received the approval of the Department of Finance for the payment, by the health boards, of arrears in those cases where family assessment operated. That was January 2001, when we were running a budget surplus of approximately £5 billion and when everyone had been found out, when even the Attorney General's advice that there was no strict legal liability for arrears had been shown to be shambolic. There was and is a liability and it is only because people have been found out that the Government has now decided to pay those arrears.

The details of how this will be implemented are not yet available to the Ombudsman or the House. It should be implemented fully and with interest because if wealthy taxpayers who defraud the Exchequer are obliged to pay arrears with interest and penalties, then surely the State, with all the money it has in its coffers, must be similarly obliged to refund with interest money to those who have been defrauded by the State despite any advice to the contrary from the Attorney General or anyone else. Furthermore, any pocket money denied to elderly persons, living or deceased, should be refunded to them or to their estate in like manner. There is a moral duty to do so. The payment of arrears has in many cases been operated with a sense of laissez faire although £4 million was allocated to six health boards in January 1998 for this purpose. The Ombudsman stated:

It appears some of the health boards failed to apply this additional funding immediately for the purpose intended. Or, at least, it appears that some of the boards felt the money was more urgently needed in other areas and "borrowed" the allocation for other purposes. From information provided by the health boards themselves, it is clear that the payment of arrears has not been treated with any great urgency and inaction or half measures appear to have been the order of the day. As of 15th January, 2001, three years after the allocation was made, three boards had not yet even calculated the amount due to deceased or discharged patients and one board had paid out only £31,000 out of an estimate of £325,000.

What sort of standards are these public authorities using? This is contempt for the citizens of the State. This has been a shabby and wholly improper development. It is also one which runs counter to the spirit of public service. The report of the Ombudsman should be circulated to every State Department, local authority and State agency with the instruction that this sort of practice runs counter to what is expected of any public service in a democracy.

This report goes on to quote a Fine Gael policy document on reform of this House. It quite rightly says that the right of this House to hold the State and its agencies to account has been bypassed. People are acting as if they are not only the Government but also the Legislature and have the right themselves to raise taxes. People treat this House with contempt when they are answering its questions.

This is what lies at the heart of this problem. The Members of this House and the people we serve have been treated with contempt by agents of the State and by a Department which knew what was going on all along. How dare the State thieve from its most vulnerable citizens.

I ask the Minister for Health and Children, Deputy Martin, to withdraw his smart-alec amendment and to apologise to the House for the fact that out of a surplus of nearly £5 billion this year in the case of one health board only £31,000 out of £325,000 has been repaid. In the case of a number of others we do not even know what is outstanding. I ask the Minister, Deputy Martin, to pay what is outstanding with full interest as is his duty.

This has been a shameful period. I could list the names of several people who, because they knew that incomes of family members would be taken into account, did not apply for the nursing home subvention. The case has been strongly made for retrospective payments but there were many people who were frightened away altogether. I must say I found it extremely difficult to understand why sons and daughters who had long since left home were tracked down to discover what they earned.

It was like a detective agency job. It certainly did not appear very sound to me. It is one thing for the ones who are known to get the retrospective payments. The problem of people who were frightened away in the first place is an entirely different matter.

I want to take the opportunity in the short time at my disposal to discuss the crisis in the private nursing home sector. The problem is well known to this House. The subvention is a maximum of £120 per week in the Western Health Board area. A very short case history shows how very difficult it is for families to cope with that subvention. The nursing homes are in a catch-22 situation. The bill for wages has gone though the roof. Then there are insurance and crippling overheads like heating and lighting. Obviously costs are going up.

Take the case of an elderly person in my parish who was paying a very low £235 per week to a private nursing home. This person had a non-contributory old age pension of £82 per week and got a £120 subvention from the health board. His family were able to pay the outstanding £33 per week, even though the family breadwinner was working on a FÁS scheme. This is the reality on the ground.

A couple of weeks ago the charge of £235 was raised to £280 owing to increases in costs. Suddenly the family had to find £78 rather than £33. They just could not do it. The family of the man in need of care could not pay for the nursing home and he could not get a public geriatric home to take him as they are all full. Very few places have been created in public geriatric homes over the last few years. The ones in County Galway are outstanding, but the problem is that there are so many applicants for so few places.

I sincerely hope that the people who have been wronged in the past will be done right by in the future. There is a huge job to be done with regard to nursing homes.

Mr. Coveney

I welcome the opportunity to speak on this debate and I thank Deputy Gay Mitchell for raising the topic. The investigation by the Ombudsman of complaints regarding the payments of nursing home subventions by health boards has occurred as a result of the inundation of complaints from families and persons who have been required to pay for nursing home care since the commencement of the nursing home subvention scheme in 1993.

Ironically the report of the Ombudsman points out that more complaints have been received since the introduction of the scheme through the Health (Nursing Homes) Act, 1990 than were received in a similar period of time beforehand. The Ombudsman's report expresses real concern at how the nursing home subvention scheme has been administered. In fact this report is a damning one.

One does not have to be in the Ombudsman's office to hear complaints or fears in relation to the subvention scheme. Only last week in my clinic I was contacted by a young lady who was frightened to face the inevitability of having to put her mother into nursing home care. She was afraid she would have to sell the family home which she jointly shares with her mother. Whether that is true or not, the fear is very real and the situation has not been clarified for so many people.

The people we deal with in relation to nursing home subvention are perhaps the most vulnerable in our society. Normally they are very frail elderly people unable to look after themselves. They often do not have families who can care for them. If ever there were a group of persons who should receive the generosity of the State, particularly in a time of plenty, these are surely the people.

The cost of nursing home care has been draining the savings of elderly persons and those of their families in order to keep them looked after in their most vulnerable and tender years. This has been due to a mean and tight-fisted attitude with regard to the award of subventions.

Perhaps the most damning reflection in this report is the financial assessment of elderly persons and their families to determine the level of subvention that persons receive. It is clear from the report that health boards under the supervision of the Minister in the Department of Health and Children have made assessments in an inconsistent, unfair and unlawful way.

This has caused huge financial stress and pain to individuals and their families with sometimes tragic consequences. Deputy Gay Mitchell has spoken of some outrageous examples of families paying very large portions of their incomes to keep their loved ones in care. Some may say there is a moral obligation on family members to help finance the care of their parents. However, neither health boards nor health Ministers have the legal right to refuse to pay subvention because of a means test of family members. The legal advice cited in the report states that there is no obligation in common law on children to support their parents and that the 1990 Act does not impose such an obligation. The report goes on to state that the regulations do not impose an obligation on children of claimants to provide details of their own means as regards subvention.

Families have been paying hefty bills with little or no financial assistance from the State which had no legal foundation for doing so. It is time the State examined compensating and reimbursing families and elderly people for the money they have spent on care which they should not have had to spend and which the State had a legal obligation to fund.

This debate concerns the repayment of more than £6 million to elderly people and their families which was taken from them illegally by the State. Millions of pounds were taken from those who could least afford it. The State took pocket money from the elderly and operated a system in an illegal manner against people in private nursing homes. This system was highlighted when the Ombudsman published his report.

Health boards have given the elderly a raw deal. The Department of Health and Children did not uphold legislation passed by this House to give elderly people their rights. Even when elderly people died, health boards came after their families looking for money for the cost of care in geriatric hospitals.

I will give the House an example of the kind of cases in question. I am aware of a case which involved an Alzheimer's patient being cared for in a private nursing home. Six weeks before this elderly woman died she received one week's notice from the nursing home that the fees were being increased by £20. This woman's family was on social welfare and could not afford to pay the increase. As a result, six weeks before her death this woman had to be moved to a geriatric hospital.

In fairness to the health board it provided a bed for this woman. However, it is unacceptable that a nursing home can give one week's notice to an elderly patient of a £20 or £30 increase in fees. When this woman was admitted to the geriatric hospital her family was still charged. The family had a medical card and should not have been charged for the nursing home or the geriatric hospital. However, the legislation was ignored. This kind of behaviour is continuing whereby elderly people with medical cards are being charged for services which the State should legally provide.

In other cases, people are being forced to travel 30 or 40 miles to a geriatric hospital because health boards are denying them nursing home subventions, even though a nursing home may be situated nearby. In some cases people are not sent to the nearest geriatric hospital because it is full so health boards are forcing people to travel 20, 30 and 40 miles to a geriatric hospital when there is a nursing home beside them. This issue was also highlighted by the Ombudsman. When the investigation took place the health board gave in. However, many people were denied subventions in that period.

Health boards are denying physiotherapy services to people in nursing homes. I am aware of a case involving an elderly woman who received physiotherapy treatment in the community and after she was admitted to hospital. This woman had to go to a nursing home as she was not well enough to return home. However, when she entered the nursing home she was denied physiotherapy treatment. Had she gone home she would have received the treatment.

Health boards are also denying incontinence wear to elderly people in nursing homes. Such people are being provided with incontinence wear for one week rather than one month. These situations are being ignored by health boards and the Department.

The Ombudsman's report is a damning indictment of the State, its institutions and its agents charged with carrying out the directions of the Oireachtas. The manner in which health boards failed to carry out decisions of this House is at the centre of this report. The report states that the main casualty of this situation is the integrity of the governmental process. It further points out that as currently operated the systems of checks and balances envisaged in the Constitution appear not to be functioning. If those checks were functioning it would be unlikely that difficulties with the nursing home subvention scheme would have arisen. This is a central element of this report which must be addressed.

Deputy Gay Mitchell highlighted the fact that the report cited Fine Gael's proposal on revolutionising democracy. The report also cites the statement of the Committee of Public Accounts regarding democracy and parliament's central role in that democracy.

The fall-out from this report will be the repayment of money to elderly people, their children, spouses and relatives who did not receive nursing home subventions. A charge against the cost of caring for their relatives in nursing homes was made against these people's income as they were judged by officials of the State to have an income. When this money has been repaid we should place strong emphasis on the fact that legislation enacted by this House was not implemented and its instructions were not carried out by health boards. Such boards took it upon themselves to decide that the income of relatives should be assessed. That was unconstitutional and incorrect and it should not have happened. This is an important point which the House must not fail to note.

The cost of keeping people in nursing homes is very high but the subvention has not been increased since 1993. The Minister and I share a constituency and he will be aware that such costs are £300, £350 or £400 per week. However, the maximum subvention is £120. There is a significant shortfall and the subvention should be increased.

Society is changing. In some families both spouses are working and households are busier so people do not have time to mind elderly relatives. Many elderly people prefer their independence or cannot be looked after in a domestic situation. Such people require a high level of support.

This is the reality of modern society whether we like it or not. I wish we could go back to the days when we could support elderly people in family homes but that will not happen. The cost of caring for an elderly person in a nursing home is a huge burden for families.

The report cites a case of a pensioner who had a charge made against his pension for the cost of caring for his spouse in a nursing home. Another common scenario involves a couple with two, three or four children in university and an elderly relative to support. Such costs were not taken into account by health boards when assessing family incomes.

The main casualty of this process was the integrity of the governmental process. That is a message for all Members which must be addressed.

I propose to share my time with Deputy Brian Lenihan.

Is that agreed? Agreed.

I move amendment No. 1:

To delete all words after "Dáil Éireann" and to substitute the following:

"— welcomes the Report of the Ombudsman on the Nursing Home Subvention Scheme,

— acknowledges the serious concerns highlighted in the Report in relation to the operation of the Scheme from its inception in 1993 and the clear implications for the ongoing operation of the Scheme, the relationship between the Legislature and the Executive,

and commends the Government for the decision to pay all outstanding arrears due to people adversely affected by the operation of the Scheme and for the range of initiatives taken in relation to services for older people since the Government came to office including the measures taken in relation to the Nursing Home Subvention Scheme.".

January 2001.

I want to put on record my welcome for the report of the Ombudsman into the nursing home subvention scheme which was recently laid before the Dáil and Seanad. I was anxious to have a full debate on this issue next Thursday but this debate precedes that.

It does not.

The Deputy should allow the Minister to speak without interruption. The time is limited in Private Members' Business. The Deputy will have an opportunity when concluding the debate to reply to any points raised.

The Minister did not offer a debate. He should not put incorrect information on the record.

While this report is critical of my Department, I welcome the close examination of the nursing home subvention scheme. I do not believe in shirking criticism but in welcoming it, taking it on board and learning from it.

I apologise to all those who were adversely affected by the operation of this scheme since its inception in 1993. Deputy Gay Mitchell raised a number of issues but he concentrated his speech on officials to the exclusion of all others. We in this House also have lessons to learn, irrespective of the political party to which we belong. While the Ombudsman's report makes an important point about the relationship between the Executive and the Legislature, it also raises the issue of the relationship between the Department and the Minister of the day. Yet Ministers presided over this scheme since 1993. It is important that the issue of whether relatives should contribute to the care of the elderly was hotly debated during the period. One may get the impression from the Ombudsman's report that this is a surprise and that there was not an issue about whether relatives should be means tested or whether they should make a contribution. The Ministers of the day are on public record as saying that relatives should pay.

The Minister of State wrote in the press.

The Minister for Health, Deputy Noonan, made it clear to Deputy Harney in 1996 when he said he believed that sons and daughters who were in a position to contribute towards the cost of a parent's nursing home fees should do so and that the State recognised this contribution in the tax reliefs that gave them such payment. There were questions from Deputies about this aspect of the nursing home subvention scheme in June and October of that year. The Irish Nursing Homes Organisation raised it with successive Ministers. I understand that Deputy Howlin reiterated that viewpoint when he was Minister in 1993. The issue to which the Ombudsman draws attention is that there was not any legal authority to means test relatives.

They were compelled.

He makes the point that Ministers were not made aware of that fact. There was a political view on all sides of the House. It is easy and convenient to level all the blame at officials – and fault lies with the administration – but it is equally important that we in the House accept responsibility and accept there was a culture and a political viewpoint, as articulated by Deputy Noonan when he was Minister for Health, and others that people should pay. The Ombudsman in his conclusion states that it is a complex issue and that the apportioning of blame is a complex issue. We must assess it in the context of the complexity of how Government is operated and the relationship between the Legislature and the Executive. This should not be an exercise in hanging civil servants and leaving everyone else out of the equation. It is deeper and more complex than that.

The policy of this Government in relation to health services for older people is as outlined in the report, The Years Ahead, first published in 1988 and reaffirmed in the Review of the Years Ahead, published in 1997. This policy is to maintain older people in dignity and independence at home in accordance with their wishes, as expressed in many research studies; to restore to independence at home of those older people who become ill or dependent; to encourage and support the care of older people in their own community by family, neighbours and voluntary bodies and to provide a high quality of hospital and residential care for older people when they can no longer be maintained in dignity and independence at home.

It is an inescapable fact that the anticipated change in demographics in the period 1996 to 2011 has and will continue to have significant implications for all service planners, service providers and all of us in government, whether at local or national level. The changing health and social needs of older people present a major challenge to society. The longer that older people remain in good health and disability free the better will be their quality of life and the greater their contribution to society. Ageing is a normal dynamic process; it is not a disease. While ageing is inevitable and irreversible, the chronic disabling conditions which often accompany it can be prevented or delayed not only by medical interventions but also by social, economic and environmental policies. These policies need to be informed by a wider and more positive view of old age.

Since coming into office in 1997 this Government has allocated significant resources to services for older people, particularly health services, in an attempt to deal with this change and the resulting issues which will emerge. Additional funding for the development of health services for older people has increased significantly from £10 million in 1997 to an additional £36 million in 2000, while in 2001 an additional £52 million will be provided. This has resulted in approximately 880 posts approved to services for older people between 1997 and 2000. Between 1998 and 2000 over 400 additional beds have been provided in ten new community nursing units and over 1,000 day places per week have been provided in ten new day care centres.

A total of £2 billion has been made available under the national development plan for investment in our health services. This represents a tre bling of investment compared to the previous seven year period. The purpose of the plan will be to create an infrastructure which will bring significant and tangible advances in delivering a more patient centred and accessible service. There is a commitment from this Government to shift the balance of capital investment towards the non-hospital sector so that the £2 billion is divided equally between the hospital and community areas. In the case of services for older people, it is proposed to provide a greatly improved physical environment to ensure a high quality and client centred service. Approximately £200 million will be available for the capital development of services for older people over the period of the plan. A broad range of facilities will be provided, replaced or upgraded as a result, including assessment and rehabilitation facilities, ambulatory care facilities, community hospitals, community nursing units, convalescent and respite beds, day care centres and services for the elderly and mentally infirm.

Together with considerable investment in health board facilities and in the area of community care, substantial additional resources have also been made available for the nursing home subvention scheme. As Members will be aware, the Health (Nursing Homes) Act, 1990, under which subvention regulations were made, has two principal objectives – first, to ensure high standards of accommodation and care in all nursing homes registered under the Act and, second, to provide a new system of nursing home subvention so that dependent persons most in need of nursing home care will have access to such care. In January of this year 385 private nursing homes were registered under the Act with approximately 6,192 people in receipt of a subvention. It is my intention to increase the rates of subvention from their current levels of £70, £95 and £120 per week, depending on the level of dependency, to £90, £120 and £150 per week with effect from 1 April next. The funding available for the scheme this year is £52 million, which is a 25% increase.

As Members are aware, the Ombudsman's report into the nursing home subvention scheme was published recently. This report deals in great detail with the role of the Department of Health and Children in making regulations and in overseeing the introduction of the scheme and it examines the administration of the scheme by the health boards since its inception in 1993. However, more importantly for us as Members of the Oireachtas, it also considers the nature of the relationship between the Oireachtas and the Executive and within the Executive and also the relationship between the political and administrative levels. As the Ombudsman says in relation to his findings, "any attempt simply to apportion blame, without regard to the complexities of the framework within which government in Ireland operates, runs the risk of the central message in this report being overlooked". I will address that issue shortly. In particular, two articles in the nursing home subvention regulations were the subject of very critical comment, article 8.2, the "pocket money" provision and articles 9.1 and 9.2 which allow for the income of adult sons and/or daughters to be assessed when determining the level of subvention to be paid. My immediate priority is to ensure that the two aspects of the regulations that have the most direct impact on nursing home patients and their families are fully addressed without delay, and in this regard I will outline the action taken to date.

Article 8.2 of the nursing home subvention regulations, 1993, allows health boards to disregard a sum equivalent to one fifth of the old age non-contributory pension when assessing means and calculating the amount of subvention to be paid. An additional allocation of £4 million was made available in 1998 – by this Government, by the way – to six of the eight health boards where the regulations were applied incorrectly, to meet the costs of arrears payments in respect of the full implementation of the Health (Nursing Homes) Act, 1990, and subsequent regulations. The sum of £4 million was not provided solely for the purposes of Article 8.2 arrears. Health boards were also incurring additional expenditure as a result of the easing of the family circumstances regulations in 1996.

Will the Minister give way for a moment?

If the Minister wishes to give way, but you will have an opportunity to reply, Deputy.

Yes. I know the Minister would not deliberately mislead the House, but what he is saying runs counter to what the Ombudsman said. He said, "It appears some of the health boards failed to apply this additional funding immediately for the purpose intended, or at least it appears that some of the boards felt the money was more urgently needed in other areas, and borrowed the allocation for other purposes".

You have made your point, Deputy Mitchell.

The Department has a view on this. I am explaining to the House what happened.

The spirit of what the Minister is saying is contrary to that.

Please allow the Minister to continue, Deputy Mitchell. You will have an opportunity to reply.

If the Deputy will allow me to conclude, I will finish the point. I have not finished the section yet. These regulations, signed in July 1996, increased the personal allowances applied by designated officers of the health board when assessing the circumstances of adult sons and daughters of an applicant for subvention. The funding was intended to address both problems and to meet funding shortfalls in the scheme generally, that is, both in the 1996 regulations and the arrears in the "pocket money" provision.

Following a meeting between officials of the Department and representatives of the Office of the Ombudsman in December 1999, my Department became aware of continuing delays in paying arrears. The Department took up the matter with the relevant boards and is continuing to pursue the matter. I am advised that the current position is that where arrears were due to be paid, health boards have made retrospective payments in respect of persons currently resident in nursing homes. I understand that some boards have also paid arrears in respect of former subvention recipients now deceased and former recipients who are no longer resident in nursing homes. My Department has instructed the relevant boards to take immediate steps to pay all outstanding arrears. The health boards have advised that, to date, approximately £900,000 has been paid out in respect of article 8.2 arrears.

Paid in February.

No, it is being paid over a period of time. It is not possible at this stage to give a figure for the total cost of article 8.2 arrears payments as a number of boards have not yet completed the process of calculating the amounts due. I assure the House that my Department is continuing to pursue the matter vigorously with the health boards concerned to ensure that every effort will be made to pay all outstanding arrears as soon as possible. I have made it clear to the health boards that I do not want any holding back in relation to this matter.

Will the Minister pay interest?

I would ask Deputy Mitchell to allow the Minister to reply. The Minister's time is limited and he is sharing it with Deputy Lenihan. The Deputy will have an opportunity to respond to the Minister tomorrow evening.

In every other Parliament, Ministers answer questions.

As I indicated, this allocation was not intended to be used solely for the payment of article 8.2 arrears. The Department has been informed by the health boards concerned that the funding provided was used to cover arrears payments under article 8.2, additional expenditure arising as a result of the easing of the family circumstances regulations in 1996, the payment of enhanced subventions, expenditure shortfalls arising from increasing demands under the scheme, and legal and other costs associated with the administration of the scheme. I understand that a proportion of the allocation was used by three health boards to fund other services for older people, including the provision of aids and appliances, improved home help services and the opening of a unit for the elderly mentally infirm. While this money was not expended on the subvention scheme, I am assured that it was used by the relevant health boards for the benefit of older people. It is an important point to be made in view of some of the accusations that the money could have been or was misappropriated. The money was spent on services for the elderly—

Nothing was spent on the people whose money was taken.

—but it could have been spent faster in relation to the "pocket money" arrears. As the Ombudsman has outlined, articles 9.1 and 9.2 of the Nursing Homes (Subvention) Regulations, 1993, allowed health boards to assess the ability of the adult sons and-or daughters of older people who apply for nursing home subventions to contribute towards the cost of their parents' nursing home care. A review of the operation of the subvention scheme was carried out in 1995. Following this review, an amendment was made to the schedule which provided that, in calculating the income of sons and daughters, health boards were to disregard income tax, rent, mortgage repayments etc. This schedule increased the personal allowances applied by designated officers of the health board when assessing the circumstances of adult sons and daughters of an applicant for subvention. The subvention regulations were further amended from 1 January 1999 and the provision to assess the capacity of adult sons and-or daughters to contribute towards the cost of nursing home care of their parent was deleted. The decision to delete that provision altogether was taken by my predecessor, Deputy Cowen. For the previous six years it had been invoked.

This amendment was made because the provisions in question were not, as the Ombudsman has pointed out, consistent with the assessment procedures adopted in the granting of medical cards by health boards or in the social assistant payment schemes administered by the Department of Social, Community and Family Affairs, wherein there is no consideration of the financial circumstances of adult sons and-or daughters of applicants. Nonetheless, I am concerned that the issue of making payments to those who were adversely affected by this regulation remains. I have already stated and am now restating that, irrespective of whether there is a legal liability, there is a moral responsibility to make sure we make retrospective payments in relation to the family circumstances issue to all those who were adversely affected by that decision. We estimate the cost to be about £6 million. We secured that in the Estimate, we are moving ahead on that basis and the moneys will be paid.

I want to advise the House that a group representing the Department, the health boards and the Eastern Regional Health Authority has been established to ensure that this process is carried out on a uniform basis as speedily as possible. The group had its first meeting last week. I hope Deputies will appreciate that since the introduction of the nursing home scheme, approximately 35,000 applications for subvention have been received. This will be a complex exercise involving, inter alia, difficult issues of traceability, and it may take some time to complete. Nevertheless, I offer assurances that every effort will be made to make payments as quickly as possible.

A further issue that has been raised in the House in the recent past is that of inspection procedures for extended care facilities. The Health (Nursing Homes) Act, 1990, requires nursing homes to be registered with their local health board. Regulations made under the Act require that there must be proper standards in private nursing homes, including adequate and suitable accommodation, staffing, kitchen and sanitary facilities, access to medical care, facilities for recreation and other arrangements to ensure the health and well-being of residents. Nursing homes are required to renew their registration every three years and a health board may impose conditions in relation to registration. These regulations provide for periodic inspections by the health boards, which are empowered to prosecute registered proprietors and persons in charge in the event of breaches of the regulations.

I have been concerned for some time about the fact that while there is provision under the nursing home legislation for monitoring standards in private nursing homes involving inspections as outlined earlier, no similar arrangements are in place for health board facilities, an issue I intend to rectify. As Deputies will be aware, the social services inspectorate has the authority to monitor standards in children's residential centres and is operating very effectively. I intend to expand the role of the inspectorate to cover extended care facilities for older people. Given the heavy demands on the inspectorate in relation to the monitoring of standards in the child care area, additional resources will be required to enable the inspectorate to take on this additional function. I intend to bring proposals to this effect to Government as soon as possible.

I also want to advise the House of the progress being made by the working group established by the Minister of State, Deputy Moffatt, which is currently preparing guidance and training materials in relation to elder abuse, including abuse in institutional settings. Following publication of the report Abuse , Neglect and Mistreatment of Older People: an Exploratory Study, the Minister of State, Deputy Moffatt, established a broadly-based working group which is advising on the formulation of procedures and guidelines on elder abuse. The group is drawing up a comprehensive two-year work programme which will culminate in the preparation of an evaluation report to be submitted to the Minister of State, Deputy Moffatt. The Minister of state has been provided with significant resources to ensure that the work is completed within the timeframe envisaged.

As the House may be aware, an expenditure review of the nursing home subvention scheme is currently being undertaken by my Department in association with the Department of Finance and is expected to be completed shortly. It is my intention to bring forward proposals to Government in relation to whatever additional measures may be necessary, arising from both the Ombudsman's report – there are significant implications there – and the expenditure review, together with experience gained from the operation of the scheme since its inception in 1993.

Chapter 8 of the report draws some far-reaching conclusions as to how Government operates under the Constitution. The report makes a number of suggestions as to how the position might be improved through better use of the Oireachtas committee system, a mechanism for monitoring secondary legislation by affirmative resolutions of the Oireachtas and a more effective system for dealing with annual Estimates, particularly for expenditure required to meet entitlements under State schemes introduced by the Oireachtas. These issues are not just matters for consideration by my Department, nor or they issues that can be addressed by this Government alone. They have implications for all future Governments and will affect the way Members of the Oireachtas deal with matters in the future.

This report raises significant issues not just for me as Minister for Health and Children or any member of the Government. It raises issues not only about how we introduce legislation or how we deal with funding entitlements but it raises questions about human rights, an issue of concern for us all. It highlights examples of inequity of treatment between health boards for subvention applicants. Any inequity of treatment concerns me greatly and I intend to put in place fair and proper systems to ensure that this accusation cannot be levelled again. I intend to introduce performance management indicators across all health boards to accurately measure the performance of our health services. This procedure has been started in my Department and I am confident it will successfully transfer to health boards.

I intend to refer this report to the Joint Committee on Health and Children and that it will report back to us within six months.

In the conclusion to his report on nursing homes subventions by the health boards, the Ombudsman drew attention to general problems he believes have arisen from a shift in the balance of relationships between the Legislature and the Executive. That balance is laid down in the Constitution. These issues are of great importance to all in this House and are of a special interest to those of us who participate in the work of the All-Party Oireachtas Committee on the Constitution. I have the privilege of being the chairman of that committee.

Our committee has reviewed certain constitutional provisions relating to the institutions of the State. We have already presented progress reports on the Office of the President and on the courts and the Judiciary. I compliment the Fine Gael interest for adopting our ideas in relation to the courts and the Judiciary in a policy programme they launched before Christmas last.

We are studying the provisions relating to the Houses of the Oireachtas and the Government. In our study, we have available to us the monumental report of the Constitutional Review Group published in 1996. This review was not a political document prepared by public figures but a report commissioned by the Taoiseach and the Government from technical experts in constitutional jurisprudence. That report contains some valuable observations on the Oireachtas and the Government but it has been criticised for a failure to examine the key issues which the Ombudsman has highlighted in his report. The Ombudsman referred to this criticism.

One of the biggest criticisms of the Constitutional Review Group report was that it did not analyse the single strongest criticised feature of modern liberal democratic practice, namely, the existence of an executive state and the fact the powers of the Executive in modern democratic entities have become utterly disproportionate to the powers exercised by legislative and judicial arms of government. The review group was criticised at the time and the Ombudsman has taken up that criticism in relation to that issue.

In a democratic society, the cardinal values are freedom, equality and justice and the institutions of state are the media through which these values are expressed. Careful checks and balances to ensure that no one institution can act in a tyrannical way are essential. We strive to maintain an independent Judiciary to secure justice. To secure freedom and equality, we give the task of making the laws to the representatives of the people in the Houses of the Oireachtas, primarily in Dáil Éireann. We give the Executive the power, the authority, to apply the laws to the people and we maintain a check on the activities of the Government by making it answerable to the Legislature.

However, the Ombudsman makes the point that the notion that Oireachtas sets policy, makes the laws and then leaves it to the Executive to implement the laws does not fit in with how Government operates in practice. It is questionable whether it has ever fitted in since the foundation of the Irish Free State which preceded the Constitution. The Government, once elected, controls the Houses of the Oireachtas and this results in a natural diminution in the capacity of the Houses to supervise the Executive. For all practical purposes, the Government decides policy, proposes legislation, ensures the passage of legislation through the Oireachtas and, in its Executive capacity, ensures that the laws are implemented.

Because it is clear that the processes do not conform to what is envisaged in theory in the Constitution, one has the choice, the Ombudsman suggests, of legitimising the current process by way of an appropriate amendment to the Constitution, while providing some new system of checks and balances or else making the process conform to the Constitution. A number of very substantial checks on Executive power have been introduced in recent years. One obvious one, with which we deal daily as parliamentarians and Ministers, is the freedom of information legislation. That has become a very powerful check on the operations of the Executive.

In dealing with this imbalance which the Ombudsman has pointed out – the imbalance between the Executive and the Legislature – it may be necessary to resort to a constitutional amendment but there are several measures which can be taken within the existing scheme. The powers of committees to scrutinise legislation and review the activities of Government could be strengthened. Greater resources could be placed at the disposal of Deputies and Senators to allow them to research issues more thoroughly. This is a fundamental issue in relation to parliamentary scrutiny of the operations of the Executive. As suggested in an early report of our committee chaired at the time by Deputy Jim O'Keeffe, Seanad Éireann could be empowered to examine secondary legislation, including European Union legislation. Many commentators on our legislative arrangements have commented on the paucity of parliamentary checks on both European Union and secondary legislation. That is a serious issue raised in the report.

It is extraordinary that when it came to implementation of this legislation through regulation, it was not subject to any real parliamentary scrutiny even though the Ombudsman points out, and many Deputies and Senators pointed out at the time of the enactment of the 1990 Act, it was extremely general in its aspects – extremely generous in the powers it gave to the Minister. Reading between the lines of the report of the Ombudsman, it is clear that the necessary financial resources were not committed at the time to ensure the effective implementation of the Act. This is a recurring problem with legislation in this House.

It is easy to be aspirational and it is all too tempting for any Minister to introduce legislation which is full of high sounding principle, but the translation of these principles, either in the courts or through administrative action, can be a very expensive operation which the Exchequer is not yet ready to contemplate. That seems to have been at the heart of the problem we had to face up to in this report. Many changes could be introduced to the Standing Orders of the Houses which would modernise our procedures and make our analysis of legislation, of secondary legislation and of Executive action more real. This Government is committed to that kind of review of Parliament and the Minister of State at the Department of the Taoiseach and the Govern ment Chief Whip, Deputy Brennan, has brought forward proposals.

Although it is not particularly relevant to this debate, we are also willing to look at the question of political funding and how it should be done in a way that would command public confidence in the institutions of State. There is no point in the Opposition posturing on these issues all the time and making one issue the main issue while ignoring the fact that we need comprehensive controls on political-—

It has been on our agenda for years.

The Deputy's leader received the largest number of corporate contributions of any Deputy in the House in the last general election. They were disclosed in accordance with the legislation. Let us get real about this. We need comprehensive control on expenditure as well as on donations. I do not take issue with that. Let us stop arguing about details all the time in this House and get down to the nub of the issue that we have to agree a set of ground rules about how we are elected and how we operate as a Parliament that are agreed as rational and fair and give us the confidence we need among the public.

The Ombudsman's opinion is that in the longer term, the relationship between the Oireachtas and the Executive as well as the relationships within the Executive may need to the thought through afresh in the context of a wider programme of constitutional reform. The All-Party Oireachtas Committee on the Constitution shares this view and it is at present carrying out a study of these issues. Clearly the Ombudsman's report is a graphic example of the pressing need for effective oversight of Government and public administration. For a small country like Ireland, the committee is well aware of the need to ensure the Government has the capacity to respond speedily to challenges in the external environment. Too sensitive a balance could lead to an enfeebled Executive. Nevertheless such a study could be greatly deepened by the consultation with individuals and groups that we successfully carried out in our report on abortion. We will be discussing this issue at our next meeting. I know the Ombudsman's report will be a valuable contribution to this study.

I wish to share time with Deputies O'Sullivan and Upton.

Is that agreed? Agreed.

The Labour Party fully supports the motion before the House. I am pleased the Minister is present to hear this debate. This House and this democracy owes a huge debt of gratitude to the work of the Ombudsman, Mr. Kevin Murphy, in producing his report on nursing home subventions. The findings of this report are shocking and demand an urgent and serious response from the State. This report demonstrates how one of the most vulnerable groups in society, elderly people in need of long-term nursing care, were neglected and ripped off by the State.

There are many lessons to be learned from this scandal. I hope this debate will highlight the several areas where reform is needed. I expect the Minister to accept the failings that occurred within his Department over a long number of years and announce a compensation package for the elderly and their families who paid the price for the maladministration and institutional dishonesty which has characterised this sordid affair.

Nursing home care for the elderly is one of the most important functions which a State can provide. In common with the development of many Irish social services since the foundation of the State, this area of care has been historically underfunded and neglected. Religious institutions often fill the gap left by the absence of State provision. No universal care service was available to older people or their families. Nursing home care was run on an ad hoc basis, where a mixture of charity, State provision and private enterprise, provided a complicated and partial level of care.

The Health (Nursing Homes) Act, 1990, was an attempt to provide some degree of State assistance to families and individuals attempting to find a nursing home bed in these circumstances. The Act came into force by regulation in 1993 and was further amended in 1996. That the regulations have not been amended since then is a scandal and an affront to older people. The existing rate of subvention is £70 for medium dependency, £95 for high dependency and £120 for maximum dependency. Under the 1996 regulations, provision was made for additional payments in exceptional circumstances which, in practical terms, amounted to £300 per week, including income pensions of the person.

The financial provision for the subvention scheme is totally inadequate. There is a waiting list for those who are classified as having exceptional needs. The scheme operates as crudely as this, as one older person dies another person is taken off the waiting list. This scandal must be addressed. Progress in this area is unlikely unless there is a change in Government and the Labour Party participates in that Government. At the behest of the Minister for Finance, Deputy McCreevy, and the Tánaiste, Deputy Harney, the Government has continued to pander to the rich and neglect the elderly. When the Minister hears the comments on this report will he be able to say that justice has been done to these people? I am sure he can never say that.

Given that the costs of private nursing homes in the greater Dublin area are in the region of £450 to £500 per week, how can older people without private means afford a nursing home bed? This is a basic right to which older people are entitled under legislation. Under the 1996 regulations, which were never debated here, an older person with property, generally a family home, of a valuation in excess of £80,000 to £90,000, in all probability, will be ineligible for subvention.

The Deputy was in Government when that Bill was enacted.

That was in 1996. Five years further down the line the value of that same house in Dublin today would be £180,000. Nothing has been done about this since 1996 and the Minister is negligent. The Government is negligent in respect of caring for the elderly. Is it any wonder we have such a report. The Ombudsman's report generally refers to the past. The Minister was responsible for the operation of this scheme. By not updating the scheme, the Minister is responsible for cheating and denying older people their statutory right to nursing home care as covered in legislation. Those people whose homes are valued at £80,000 or £90,000 are ineligible for subvention. Had the Minister upgraded the value of property they would have been eligible.

I agree with the Ombudsman when he refers to the general lack of clarity regarding health board obligations in respect of long-stay patients. Older people are not being told they have a statutory right to long-stay care. Older sick persons and their families are being pressurised to get out of hospital under the guise that an acute bed is required. A constituent of mine who is 82 years of age was told two days before Christmas she had to leave Beaumont Hospital notwithstanding the fact that her family believed she was not fit or strong enough to go home. She was told the hospital would pay for a two-week stay in a convalescent home. She went to the convalescent home under pressure rather than fight the case. Only now is she strong enough to go home. The hospital will not pay for the additional period in the home and neither she nor her family can afford the cost. This is an example of the shambles in the Minister's Department.

The 1990 legislation should have marked a watershed in nursing home care for the elderly. Fortunately, the Ombudsman's report reveals that it only served to open up a new chapter of deception for older persons and their relatives. The manner in which older people were denied their legal entitlements have been outlined by other speakers. The system of subvention as operated by health boards was radically different from that intended by the 1990 Act. Relatives of persons seeking subvention were subjected to a means test. This resulted in hardship and suffering for hundreds of families. However, the Ombudsman's report clearly demonstrates that this abuse of the system by the Department of Health and Children and the health board was known to be legally unsound for at least five years. In the Ombudsman's words: "It is an inescapable conclusion that the Department presided over a set of practices for a period of more than five years in the knowledge that these practices were legally indefensible." This is a shocking conclusion. It reveals an official neglect and disregard for the rights of older people in a Department that is legally obliged to uphold and defend them.

Something must be done about what happened. The Minister must announce to the House this evening that a mechanism will be put in place to ensure that the families who paid the price for this scandal are compensated. It is the least the State can do. The Government must also initiate a programme of investment and reform which will prevent a situation like this from recurring.

The Labour Party has proposed a radical new direction in health policy, including the establishment of a system of universal access, which would go a long way to destroy the two tier system that affects so many. The Minister is giving favourable consideration to our policy and I hope he will act accordingly. I also hope he will deal with the elderly, the most vulnerable group in our society.

Other speakers have addressed the issues of pocket money and relatives' incomes. The Minister said he intends to ensure that the moneys involved will be repaid by the health boards. I am concerned that this should be done as quickly as possible. As a member of a health board, people have contacted me since the publication of this report. They are concerned that it may take some time before moneys are repaid. I understand my health board will first address the pocket money issue, because administratively it is easier to proceed on that basis, but that it will take a considerable time to deal with the question of relatives' incomes.

This week I was contacted by a person whose mother has been in a nursing home since 1985. The person concerned is on a relatively modest income and nobody else in her family is in a position to help with the costs involved. She is owed money on the two counts referred to. When she inquired to the health board she was told it would take a considerable time before the issue of her income was addressed. The main problem appears to be the lack of resources to compile the necessary information. Will the Minister consider giving whatever assistance is needed to the health boards to ensure that the money can be repaid as quickly as possible? People in this situation need it. The woman in question is at her wits' end. The nursing home where her mother is resident is to increase its fees by 20% and her increased subvention will probably be allocated to deal with this.

Can the Minister do anything to regulate increases in costs by nursing homes? Like the private rented sector in the housing market, the homes should be allowed to apply increases by only certain amounts. At present they effectively operate in a free market where they can raise their prices as much as they wish. The nursing home subvention scheme could consume a lot of money and much of it could be directed to the private nursing homes rather than to improving the service. The Minister must address that. In this regard I welcome the examinations he is conducting into the present system.

There is a need for a substantial increase in resources for the care of the elderly. According to official statistics those over the age of 65 number approximately 437,000. This is projected to increase by more than 50%, to 673,000, by 2021. In view of this, it is essential that extra resource are provided, although I do not expect it all to happen during the Minister's term of office.

As a member of a health board I can confirm that ther is a shortage of resources allocated to this area. The provision of new services require extra resources which are provided at the expense of other services. For example, St. Camillus's hospital, Limerick, is the main provider of long stay public beds for people in Limerick city and surrounding areas and it and only one other hospital in west Limerick cover the whole of Limerick city and county. We have lost 41 long stay beds in the past two years because of the money needed to provide respite beds, a stroke unit, an Alzheimer's assessment unit and other worthwhile and necessary services. It was put to us at health board level that the closure of the long stay beds was necessary to provide for the new services. We have debated this issue at a number of health board meetings. Members across parties and professional representatives agree it is wrong, yet there is a desire to provide new services. It is a dilemma that must be addressed.

The Ombudsman's report addresses the issue of top-up payments. The Health Act, 1970, provides that people have a right to in-patient long or short stay care, especially if they have a medical card where there should be no question of assessing means. The Ombudsman points out that where people are referred to nursing homes, through subvention or otherwise, the health boards should provide for top-up payments where necessary. On page 19 of his report the Ombudsman points out that some of the health boards refuse to implement these payments, even though they are provided for under sections 10(6) and 22(4) of the 1970 Act and notwithstanding advice by the Department that they should do so. The Ombudsman is pursuing this aspect with the health boards.

Our health board does not provide top-up subventions. Last Friday we passed a resolution that the board should commence them. The South Eastern Health Board provides them and patients from the mid-west, in east Limerick, who are resident in nursing homes in Tipperary town are unable to avail of them while people from south Tipperary, which is in the South Eastern Health Board area, can do so.

This is an issue of serious concern to a huge number of people and it is raised with me probably more often than most other issues, especially by families who cannot afford to look after their elderly members who need long-term care. There are not enough public beds for them while the money allocated to the nursing home system is preventing the allocation of the necessary resources for the provision of public beds. The Minister should set aside specific funding for public long-term beds rather than for private nursing homes, who can increase their prices at will. We must ring fence money for the public long-term care of the elderly.

While there is a need for a continuum of services in the community, there is also a need for long-term beds. As people live longer a greater need arises. It is scandalous that families are put in a position where they cannot afford the long-term care of their elderly and where the elderly are pressurised because they know that family members have to try to scrape the money together. The Minister must address this very serious issue, especially in view of demographic changes, where there will be a 50% increase in the number of people over the age of 65 by 2021.

These issues are as important as the two issues that received the most media attention in relation to this report.

Debate adjourned.
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