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Dáil Éireann díospóireacht -
Wednesday, 21 May 2003

Vol. 567 No. 2

Private Members' Business. - Disadvantaged Communities: Motion (Resumed).

The following motion was moved by Deputy O'Shea on Tuesday, 20 May 2003:
That Dáil Éireann:
– deploring the continuing assault on disadvantaged communities represented by the economic policy of the Government, which has starved communities of essential resources and led to increased poverty and deprivation and a widening of the gap between rich and poor in both rural and urban Ireland;
– believing that many of these communities continue to suffer as a result of inadequate policing, unequal educational opportunities, and unemployment levels well above the national average;
– commending the efforts of many individuals and voluntary organisations to improve the opportunities and living conditions of their communities;
– condemns in particular:
– the decision of the Government to cut a further 5,000 community employment places by the end of this year;
– the total failure of the Government to fast-track the €1.9 billion funding for these communities promised when the Taoiseach, Deputy Ahern, personally launched the RAPID programme in February 2001;
– the failure to provide the promised second round of funding under the young people's facilities and services fund;
– the failure to provide the Education Welfare Board with adequate resources to ensure that it can function fully and the failure to implement the promised action plan on school attendance and early school leaving for each area covered by the RAPID programme;
– the cuts imposed in the budgets of the area partnerships; and
– the reduction in funding for community development programmes;
– calls on the Government to:
– restore community employment places to the numbers operational at the beginning of 2002;
– honour the commitment made to fast-track the promised funding over the RAPID programme;
– ensure that adequate resources and strategies are put in place for the proper policing of disadvantaged communities; and
– allocate sufficient resources to ensure that the health, educational and social services available to people living in disadvantaged communities are of the highest standard.
Debate resumed on amendment No. 1:
To delete all words after "Dáil Éireann" and substitute the following:
– "commending the commitment and work of many individuals and voluntary organisations to improve the opportunities and living conditions of their communities;
– commends the establishment of the Department of Community, Rural and Gaeltacht Affairs with its special focus on areas of disadvantage, including such areas in urban, rural and island settings;
– endorses the co-ordination and focusing of responsibility for programmes such as RAPID, local development social inclusion programmes, community development and support programmes, Leader, drugs and Gaeltacht within a single Department;
– welcomes the provision this year of €282 million for social inclusion, rural development, Gaeltacht and islands measures in the Estimates of the Department of Community, Rural and Gaeltacht Affairs;
– notes the increased allocation of funds for the drugs initiative;
– notes the further expansion of the community development programme;
– notes progress towards implementing White Paper commitments in relation to networks and federations and training schemes;
– welcomes the considerable funding provided by the Government for particular programmes focusing on disadvantage, including RAPID, CLÁR and drugs programmes, as well as the young people's facilities and services fund;
– and fully supports the Government in its commitment and actions in tackling disadvantage, as evidenced by its ongoing programmes, substantial funding, and key measures referred to which serve to strengthen and support communities."
–(Minister of State at the Department of
Community, Rural and Gaeltacht Affairs).

A Chathaoirligh, tá mé ag iarraidh mo chuid ama a roinnt leis an Aire Stáit, an Teachta Callely agus leis na Teachtaí Eoin Ryan agus Michael Moynihan.

Tá áthas orm deis a bheith agam labhairt ar an ábhar seo anocht. Ba mhaith liom a dhearbhú go bhfuil an Rialtas dírithe ar cheist an mhí-bhuntáiste a réiteach agus is chuige sin a bunaíodh an Roinn seo. Mar atá ráite go minic agam is é bánú na tuaithe is údar le cuid mhaith de na fadhbannaí sna cathracha, le ceantair ag fás as éadain agus easpa seirbhísí iontu. Mar a léireoidh mé tá obair chuimsitheach ar bun ag an Rialtas le díriú ar na fadhbanna seo.

I confirm that the Government is committed to tackling disadvantage and areas of disadvantage in a focused and sensible way. The setting up of the Department of Community, Rural and Gaeltacht Affairs signalled the clear intention of the Government to put the issue of the community and the problems of disadvantaged areas, be they on the islands or in rural and urban areas, at the heart of Government.

Over the years various schemes were developed to tackle disadvantage, and for different reasons they were located in different Departments. My Department now has responsibility for scheme initiatives that were scattered over five Departments. The focus of the effort in relation to a large number of these programmes and schemes being allocated to one Department will, over time, bear fruit.

The process of change in Government is slow and the bringing together of the different strands in one Department is only the first step. As the Minister of State, Deputy Noel Ahern, outlined, many steps have already been taken by the Department to try to bring a greater coherence to the sector. This work will continue over the coming four years.

I would like to first focus on the issue of rural disadvantage. The problems of rural isolation, rural disadvantage and rural depopulation, which are all linked, are being tackled by the Government under a number of headings. This includes the introduction of the CLÁR programme and work that has been carried out interdepartmentally in relation to rural enterprise and rural infrastructure. Decentralisation, when introduced, will have a major bearing on the redevelopment of rural areas and thus reduce disadvantage.

In relation to the Gaeltacht and the islands, since 1997 there has been an unprecedented investment in both. Infrastructure projects that had been long-fingered for years are being tackled and services are being provided where none existed previously. The response of the pre vious Labour Minister in relation to the Gaeltacht was to try to do away with the Gaeltacht housing repair grants that mainly assist poor families in the Gaeltacht and the elimination of infrastructure work on roads under scéim na mbóithre áise.

Deputy Brian O'Shea yesterday referred to CLÁR, and I thank him for his kindness regarding same. The Deputy also referred to the reduction in the allocation for CLÁR this year. Obviously I regret this reduction but see it in the context of the wider budgetary pressures facing the Government. However, I assure the Deputy that because of matching funds this year and the fact that not all expenditure was matched last year, this year's programme will equal that of last year.

I would like to address the issues of urban disadvantage and the RAPID programme. I want to make absolutely clear at the outset that RAPID was never meant to be a self-funded programme but was designed as a reprioritisation of spend under the social inclusion measures of the national development plan towards the areas of greatest disadvantage. I assure the House that there has been a considerable spend in these areas as a result.

The housing commitment alone for regeneration projects in RAPID areas amounts to €900 million. From 1999 to date, €310 million has been spent on these projects. My colleague has already outlined the issues relating to CDSPs, the drugs and youth facilities fund and so on. When the Taoiseach talked about doing sums, therefore, he was talking about the facts.

I would now like to deal with the issue of community employment schemes. The position is that the target figure for places on CE schemes for 2003 is 20,000, a reduction from 24,991 in 2002. FÁS has responsibility for the administration of this scheme, including the allocation of places to individual projects. FÁS prioritises projects according to the type of services provided and levels of unemployment in the area, and co-ordinates reductions so as to minimise the negative effect on groups and services most in need of community employment.

The priority groups include the following: CE places currently provided under the national drugs strategy action plan are ring-fenced. No reduction is being made on the number of scheme places; CE places that provide child care services as part of the process of assisting unemployed parents in accessing labour market services are ring-fenced and no reductions are being made; in addition to the above, CE schemes in RAPID areas now receive top priority in terms of maintaining places – reductions will only be made after other areas outside of RAPID have been reduced; and CE places in health-related projects are ring-fenced from reduction and have remained at a constant level since March 2002. In addition, the Department of Education and Science runs a large number of schemes specifically focused at the disadvantaged.

I have admitted from the outset that there are certain elements of the RAPID process with which I am not happy. One of these is the obvious difficulty of quantifying the amount of spend in RAPID areas brought about by reprioritisation. The plans received are very varied, ranging from small, low cost actions to large-scale proposals with considerably higher cost implications.

What I am endeavouring to do is to separate the small proposals, which could be dealt with at local level by the partnerships and the CDB structure, from the large proposals that have to be dealt with at central Government level. Proposals have been formulated and a plan of action agreed to progress this issue. The first step of the process is to analyse all the proposed actions in all the plans and separate them between those considered local and those that should remain the responsibility of a Department. Over the coming weeks and months discussions will take place with the AITs, partnerships and CDBs on the proposed details of this new mechanism. We will also discuss the issue with the south and east and BMW regional assemblies.

The issue of the capital sports programme was raised yesterday and I would like to clarify that following discussions between my Department and the Department of Arts, Sport and Tourism, it was agreed that the definition of "disadvantage" for the 2003 capital sports programme would be confined to RAPID, local drugs task force areas and CLÁR areas. The definition used previously was much broader. I point out also that it is up to each group to make an individual application to this programme. They are not submitted by the AITs as such.

I would like to take the opportunity once again to clarify the issue in relation to the partnerships. ADM manages the local development social inclusion programme on behalf of my Department. The programme is delivered on the ground by 38 partnerships and 33 community groups. In 2001 and 2002, funding of £45.5 million and €47.6 million was provided to deliver the three sub-measures of the programme. The outturn of expenditure for both years was €43.2 million in 2001 and €53.6 million in 2002. The extra spend in 2002 arose when an additional €6 million was provided from savings within the Vote of my Department in December 2002 and allocated to the local development programme that year. An amount of €44.6 million has been provided in the Vote of my Department for the local development programme in 2003. This figure represents a reduction of 6% in the local development subhead over the 2002 allocated figure. Allocations from within the budget available for the programme in 2003 were agreed by the board of ADM and notified to each partnership and community group. I understand each group was given an allocation and the reductions ranged from 4% to 7%.

Some partnerships appeared to expect that they would be able to carry forward underspends of previous years. My Department, like all Departments, operates on a cash-based accounting system, not an accruals basis and cannot, therefore, facilitate cumulative carry-overs of underspends. I am examining the position regarding unpaid valid claims for payment schemes by partnerships submitted to ADM prior to Christmas 2002 and not paid until 2003.

I assure Deputies who have approached this debate in a constructive manner that their suggestions and criticisms will be considered fully by me and the Minister of State in our review of schemes operated by our Department. However, there are a number of questions I must ask the Labour Party, in particular its leader, Deputy Rabbitte. The Deputy has consistently referred to a meeting I attended in Tallaght. I can confirm this was my third meeting with people from Tallaght with whom I will have further meetings in the coming years. Deputy Rabbitte arrived towards the end of the meeting, which is perfectly understandable. Despite his late arrival, he has since pontificated on what he wants to believe I said and what was discussed that night. I admit I expressed concerns about the RAPID programme, some were my own and others had been conveyed to me. I expressed these concerns before the election when rural RAPID, known as CLÁR, was being set up. I was complimented by Deputy O'Shea who described CLÁR as being no talk and all action. I agree with him and would like to ensure RAPID will be considered in a similar light.

The reasons for the success of CLÁR are largely its effective mechanisms and the decision taken by me that instead of creating numerous structures of implementation and consultation, the programme would focus on delivery on the ground. This runs contrary to the manner in which the Labour Party constantly suggests things should be done, one which would cause endless delays and frustration for the public.

Deputy Rabbitte subsequently tabled a motion on the Adjournment and, having spoken to the motion, did not have the courtesy to remain in the House until the reply was completed. This was the first time I had seen a Deputy leave the House before a full reply to an Adjournment motion had been given.

The Minister is being petty.

Deputy Harney refused to remain in the House last week during the debate on the Redundancy Payments Bill when she ran out of the House.

Deputy Rabbitte's action shows he does not want to listen or properly inform himself. The Labour Party is aware that under the Stability and Growth Pact there are strict limits to Government borrowing. Deputy Burton has stated she would not impose increases in income taxes if she were to come to power, while Deputy Rabbitte states he would not impose university fees, even on the very rich. I challenge these Deputies to spell out exactly how they intend raising money for their proposed expenditure. Until they do so, we can assume that all we are getting from the Labour Party is rhetoric.

Coming from the party which has given an average increase of €9.71 per annum to non-contributory old age pensioners since 1997, I have no difficulty in saying to Deputy Rabbitte, whose parties, Democratic Left and the Labour Party, when last in Government gave an average annual rise of just €2.76, that we are fully committed to tackling the issues of disadvantage. There is a lot done and a lot to do and we will do it.

I wish to share time with Deputy Eoin Ryan. I welcome the opportunity to contribute to the debate. I wish to concentrate on the CLÁR programme, set up to channel funding into rural areas of disadvantage which had experienced population decreases of 50% or more since the foundation of the State. The programme must be welcomed on all fronts. It is probably one of the first measures taken to ensure that disadvantaged communities in rural areas are given priority funding.

Much has been said over the years on the decline of rural communities and the shift in their populations to large centres of population. I have observed the operation of the scheme regarding third-class roads and small sewerage and water schemes for the past 18 months. Funding has been made available in conjunction with county development boards and county councils. It is a welcome initiative.

The Minister stated the CLÁR programme is all action and no talk. We have discussed the issue of rural development and disadvantage in rural communities for long enough. It is time to stop talking and take action. There is a vibrancy in some of the rural communities, which could, if properly harnessed and channelled, create enormous good. I am aware the Minister is working on schemes aimed at community enterprise units, which is to be welcomed.

Many rural communities have come together and built industrial units which they have then leased out to entrepreneurs and others. I hope a system will be introduced to ensure funding can be channelled in this direction, as it is easy to sell the qualities of a large market town to an industrialist or outside investor. Many young people do not regard the small villages dotted around the country, notably in the CLÁR regions, as sufficiently attractive to live in because employment is not available. Some of these rural communities are on marginal farming land. We need to ensure their survival.

I am delighted to contribute to the debate and commend the Minister and the Government for funding CLÁR regions. I hope they continue to channel funding into initiatives such as third-class roads. Local area engineers have expressed their gratitude for CLÁR funding and the hope that it will come through again this year because the work done on these roads would not have been done for another five or six years under the five-year roads programme. In my area of north-west Cork, particularly in western Duhallow, many roads have benefited from the CLÁR programme. We hope this continues.

There is no public lighting or footpaths in rural areas. The least one expects from Government is that people in the most remote townlands and areas have good roads to allow them to get in and out of their homes. I hope the CLÁR programme will continue so that this becomes possible.

I am delighted to speak to the motion and welcome the decision of the Labour Party to table a motion on this important issue. This country has faced many problems. Some years ago we thought we would never overcome the problem of unemployment and forced emigration, which were significant challenges. Thankfully we overcame both and now no longer have forced emigration while people can also get jobs. Although we are now experiencing a slight blip, the problem is not as pronounced and is not having the same negative effects as in the past.

Like unemployment many years ago, social disadvantage is a major problem. It is a complex issue which will not be sorted out in a few years, but requires a concerted effort, money and consistency over a long period. This Government and the previous one has put in place various programmes, such as the RAPID programme and CLÁR, local drugs task forces, partnership companies and the young people's facilities and services fund, to try to tackle this problem. We must welcome that because they have had a considerable effect. One of the most obvious ways to tackle social disadvantage and problems in deprived communities is to provide jobs. I am glad the economy has been able to do that. It has had a major positive effect on communities and areas of the inner city which I represent and people's lives have greatly improved.

However, there is still the problem of social disadvantage. In the ongoing debate about access to third level education the Minister for Education and Science made the point about putting more money into socially disadvantaged areas. That is a good step. We must try to get more people from disadvantaged communities to further their education in third level colleges. Unfortunately, most drug addicts, particularly those who abuse heroin, left school before they were 16. The longer they can be kept in school, the better chance they have of not becoming involved in drug abuse.

As Minister of State, I had responsibility for some of this area. I want to speak about one scheme which has been effective and which was introduced by my predecessor at the time, the former Deputy Flood, namely, the young people's facilities and services fund. I have great commitment to that scheme because it is simple, effective and targeted. A sum of €68 million was spent since 1998 in areas of social disadvantage. Some 350 facilities and service projects and 93 capital projects, including the building, renovating and fitting out of dedicated youth facilities, have been supported by the fund. These facilities will provide access and accommodation programmes and services to a targeted group and they account for approximately 60% of the funding allocated to date. There are youth centres in Tallaght, Ballymun, Clondalkin and Blanchardstown where there were practically no youth facilities. Some 130 project workers and ten sports workers have been appointed and there is a wide variety of community based education prevention programmes. There is targeted intervention for particular groups, such as youth work projects, and four national drug education awareness initiatives and three national training initiatives have been implemented.

The fund should be expanded. Whoever is in government should examine this simple way of getting money into deprived areas. It was a clever idea. When I was Minister of State, I complimented the former Deputy Flood on introducing it. There is a simple way of getting money to such areas. People in these communities recognised it as a way of getting funding. Many projects are now up and running as a result of that fund.

The RAPID programme should be pushed as hard as possible. Some people said that only €2.2 million was allocated. However, it did not have a designated fund. People misunderstood the way it was meant to be rolled out. It was meant to prioritise projects in the national development plan. We did not want a certain amount of money. We always wanted it to give priority to facilities for the 25 most deprived communities around the country. I ask the Minister to ensure it is rolled out because these communities need and want it. They have worked hard on putting their plans together. It is great that some of those plans, particularly in my own area, are now coming through. I hope the plans will be rolled out in the other 24 areas and that the local communities will benefit from the RAPID programme, CLÁR or the other projects I mentioned to get money for deprived communities.

I am glad the Labour Party tabled this motion. It is a big challenge to try to tackle social disadvantage. Everyone around the country should have the same opportunities. The various programmes we have in place should be rolled out as quickly as possible to ensure that happens.

I refer to the reference in the motion to health services. This Fianna Fáil led Government's commitment to providing quality health care for all is clearly demonstrated through the record levels of funding invested in health services in recent years within a framework for growth and reform as set out in the national health strategy. This year we are investing €9.2 billion in the health service. That represents an overall increase for the service since the Government came to power in 1997 of 162% or an additional €5.7 billion. This extra investment in recent years has brought significant results, including record levels of activity in the acute hospital system and a range of additional services provided in all the major programmes of care from which people living in disadvantaged communities benefit.

There are many good things happening in health. In every community there are new developments and new services. Since 1997 hospital activity is up by 23%, while waiting lists are down by 14%. The number of hospital consultants is up by 34%. Commissioning of an additional 709 acute hospital beds for public patients began in 2002, an increase in capacity of 6%. Some 520 of these beds are now in operation and the remainder will shortly come on stream. This is the first phase of the provision of 3,000 acute hospital beds by 2011 as announced in the health strategy. In 2002-03, €118 million in capital and revenue funding has been allocated to increase bed capacity and to provide an additional 709 beds.

It is recognised in the national health strategy that primary care has a central role to play in the delivery of health and personal social services in a modern health system and that the health needs of the majority of people should be capable of being met by primary care services. The primary care strategy, Primary Care: A New Direction, published in late 2001, sets out a model which aims to bring a wide range of service providers together in primary care teams so that integrated services can be delivered in the community in the most appropriate and accessible way. As stated in the new national partnership agreement, Sustaining Progress, the Government is committed, within resource constraints, to advancing the implementation of the primary care strategy in accordance with the action plan for the strategy. Funding totalling €8.4 million is being provided for an initial ten implementation projects in 2002 and 2003. Of these ten projects, four of the projects are located in areas of disadvantage, two in RAPID areas and two in CLÁR areas.

Health centres have an important role to play in terms of their central position within local communities in relation to the provision of a wide range of health and social services to local populations in both urban and rural settings. The availability of funding for health service capital needs under the national development plan since 2000 is facilitating the development of new health centres and the upgrading and refurbishment of existing health centres to meet the health needs of communities in the most appropriate environment.

Regrettably, disadvantaged communities bear a disproportionate share of problems related to drug misuse. Services for drug users in all health boards have increased substantially over recent years. Funding has been provided to regional health boards to considerably strengthen the infrastructure for the delivery of drugs services. In one area alone, the eastern region, treatment services have expanded from 12 locations in early 1997 to the current 57 and there could have been more only for public objection to development of such services. The number of people receiving treatment has risen from 1,914 in 1997 to more than 6,800 at the end of April this year.

Approximately €225 million additional funding has been invested through the health boards in the development of child welfare and protection services since 1991. In 2002, a further four springboard family projects were established in RAPID priority areas of need, as discussed with the health boards. This brings the number of springboard projects to 21, with an additional eight to be established on a phased basis depending on resource allocations over the next two years.

The final evaluation report of the teen parents pilot initiative was positive. The existing pilot projects will be supported and continued funding will be made available. As stated in the national health strategy, a responsive health system must develop ways of engaging with individuals and the wider community to ensure services are delivered in a most responsive and accessible way. This is particularly the case in disadvantaged communities.

There are many good things happening in this area and we are striving to achieve a world class health service. Time does not permit me to outline all the developments. I am particularly pleased good progress has been made in the provision of day care centres and community supports for older people.

I wish to share time with Deputies Gregory, Connolly, Harkin, Cowley and Boyle.

Acting Chairman

Is that agreed? Agreed.

I have listened carefully to the debate and the arguments that have been going back and forth. While the Government maintains there have been improvements, the question is whether these have been sufficient given the expectation of the public or whether services have declined for disadvantaged communities and people who live in poverty. Ireland experienced a boom period and a great deal of money was available. There was an opportunity then to harness economic prosperity, eliminate structural inequality and share the wealth, particularly among the less well off.

The Government made a choice which resulted in money following money and the gap between rich and poor widened under this Administration and its predecessor. There are more millionaires in Ireland but there are more people sleeping rough on the streets. Is that an improvement? It has never been easier to get into debt. There is more credit available but poor people are taking advantage of that. Is that an improvement? There are 50,000 people on housing waiting lists. Is it easier to buy a house? Have house prices reduced? People are making profits from housing developments but they are not from poor backgrounds and the Government continues to reward them.

I was at the launch of a report by the Simon Community recently. The Government states the number of homeless persons is reducing but those who work in this area say there are more people sleeping on the streets and the anecdotal evidence is that more people are living on the streets.

Child care was mentioned. It was believed that the economic boom presented an opportunity for people to break out of the poverty cycle. However, the cost of child care places increased and it is also much more difficult to get a place because no extra places are coming on stream. A total of 90,000 people live in consistent poverty while 250,000 live in relative poverty.

I refer to the elderly. Almost 38% of pensioners live in the poorest 20% of households. Is that an improvement? One quarter of the social services budget is spent on pensions compared to 50% in other European countries, according to EUROSTAT. The Minister of State dealt with the health service. I do not know what world he is living in when he mentions improvements in the service. Every day constituents tell Members about what is happening in accident and emergency departments and elsewhere in hospitals. The Mater Hospital announced 180 job losses recently. It is more and more difficult for poor people to get into hospitals. There has been a 22% increase in the cost of monthly drug payments and a 26% increase in casualty fees. The Government promised 200,000 medical cards but, instead, 30,000 people have lost theirs.

Unemployment has increased. A total of 2,194 jobs have been lost in Dublin over the past two months, including 200 in my constituency yesterday. The trend is worsening but the Government is not waking up to it. CE schemes have been cut back with the loss of 5,000 places and that will have a significant impact on disadvantaged communities where they had more than just a training role. What will replace them?

It is more difficult to make it to third level if one is from a disadvantaged area. More school buildings need to be refurbished and so on in these areas. Many of them do not have fully qualified teachers. With regard to transport, it is not easier to get a bus in Dublin or around the country these days and it is more difficult to get to places of employment as a result. ESB charges have increased. Policing also impacts negatively on marginalised communities. Things have not improved.

I support the motion. As an elected representative for inner city Dublin, I condemn the cutbacks in CE schemes, the jobs initiative and the social economy programmes. It is a disgrace that when such community investment is most needed, the Government should set out deliberately to undermine the great work being done by local people on these schemes. Incredibly, while Fianna Fáil plans to spend more than €50 million on luxury jets, it is taking jobs and services away from the most disadvantaged groups in our communities.

Without CE schemes and the jobs initiative, crèches, after school projects, youth services, senior citizen groups and projects providing training and development for recovering drug users will find it extremely difficult to provide a viable service. The manner in which these cuts were introduced was worse. The way local people and community groups were treated was insulting and disrespectful following the investment of a great deal of voluntary time, energy and resources as part of what was hoped to be the regeneration of neglected and disadvantaged areas.

Organisations such as the Dublin Inner City Partnership have put on record how they felt severely let down by the Government instigated cuts. The Taoiseach, Deputy Ahern, the Tánaiste, Deputy Harney, and the Minister for Finance, Deputy McCreevy, are the architects of this attack on marginalised people. They project a different approach at election time and when they attend launches and openings, but they are now exposed in their true light. The result of these cuts will be a loss of opportunity for people who have no other chance in life and a loss of vital services for the elderly, children and the most vulnerable groups. These cuts can only contribute more to the ever-widening gap between rich and poor in this State.

The RAPID programme was initiated in 2001 amid great fanfare with a view to regenerating and revitalising deprived urban areas. It has degenerated into a pale shadow of what the original concept envisaged. It was hawked around the country prior to last year's general election as a cure-all for deprivation in the 45 most needy urban areas. The Government shamelessly and conveniently placed hundreds of prospective RAPID projects on hold, where they have remained since. Assurances were freely given that the great €15 billion ATM would continue to be on tap for the 45 designated areas to progress social inclusion measures.

We recently discovered that the Minister for Community, Rural and Gaeltacht Affairs, Deputy Ó Cuív, is now doing a re-think on the feasibility of the entire programme, more or less suggesting that it was ill-conceived and should be remodelled. The perceived wisdom about RAPID as far as the Minister is concerned is that it has been a cumbersome, unmitigated disaster and that many hundreds of projects, all submitted in good faith, should be shelved. In other words, it should be scrapped.

The Government's grand design for tackling disadvantage in the shape of RAPID is now seen for what it really was, a cynical plot which it never had any intention of implementing. This is in character with the lack of commitment to the RAPID programme, which, after an initial injection of administrative funding, has remained fallow ever since.

The FÁS community employment scheme has also been emasculated, with places reduced to just about 22,000 after the Department of Enterprise, Trade and Employment sought to reduce payments even further. These cutbacks were a brazen breach of the PPF and reneged upon its commitments. It was all part of the Government's plan to slash public spending by clawing back €15 million from schemes which make a major contribution to community development and give people an opportunity to get back to work.

FÁS then proceeded to redirect resources by appointing an additional nine directors at an annual salary of €62,500 each, thereby compounding an all-out assault on low income families, and single parent families in particular, which account for 22% of CE workers. The Government's waffle about social inclusion, a highly-trained workforce and sustainable development merely exists in the realms of fantasy.

I support this Private Members' motion but I want to focus in particular on the decision by the Government to cut a further 5,000 community employment places by the end of the year. I will make a general comment about CE schemes. CE schemes should not just be viewed as a means of taking people off the live register and getting them back into full employment. They have an intrinsic value in themselves because for many communities CE schemes have helped to provide excellent social, economic and environmental services.

The cutting of 5,000 places nationally will impact negatively on all communities but in particular on disadvantaged communities. For many communities CE schemes have become part of the fabric of the community and the proposed Government cuts will remove an essential community support. As one community worker said to me today, communities are an easy target.

One particular community initiative I wish to mention is CLASP, the community of Lough Arrow social project, in County Sligo. I mention this project for two reasons. About six weeks ago Deputy Ó Cuív, who was in the Chamber up to now, launched this project in Sligo and spoke highly of it on the day. He said it was an ideal project for a rural area and deserved great support. This is a health-related project for elderly people, and having listened to a number of older people on the day, they described it as an excellent project that made a positive impact. It has literally turned their lives around. However, today CLASP received a letter from FÁS saying that the project would not be mainstreamed as planned and expected and that of the 11 participants of the scheme, just one will be allowed to remain on.

Just think of what this means. Relationships and trust have been built up with older people over the last year. People have received training that is now wasted. Imagine the disappointment of older people, people who do not want change at this time in their lives. Imagine the frustration of the workers and of the organising committee. Their must be greater flexibility in these schemes, otherwise we end up lurching from crisis to crisis and with committees just desperately trying to manage.

Numbers on CE schemes must not be cut because if this happens the Government is simply cutting off the life blood of so many communities. There is little point in Ministers telling people how excellent their projects are, even though I know it was sincerely meant on the day, if six weeks later the rug is pulled from under them.

An Leas-Cheann Comhairle

There are seven minutes left between Deputies Cowley and Boyle.

I am glad to speak on this motion and I strongly support it. Everybody knows about the good work done by FÁS. Look at every wall in Ireland and FÁS is playing a part in any good work that is done. FÁS has played its part across the board, whether it is helping schools, older people, deprived communities or vulnerable populations. This can be seen across urban and rural Ireland and to think about a cutback of 5,000 community employment places is not acceptable.

There was a scheme in place in Knockmore in County Mayo which is now closed. They were building a centre which was much needed by the community but it has now been put in jeopardy by the removal of the community employment aspect. I demand that this be restored in the interests of equity.

Across the board we see the situation in our hospitals. The Minister spoke about the injection of funds into health but I do not know if he is aware of what is happening in our hospitals. In Mayo General Hospital every night there are at least eight people waiting on trolleys for beds that are not there. Meanwhile upstairs there are empty wards because the funds have not been made available to allow those beds to operate. That is what is happening.

As regards access to cancer care, people do not have local centres of excellence. People in Waterford, say, have to travel to Dublin, which costs twice as much at least. Those centres of excellence are being denied to cancer patients also because bed numbers are being reduced. There are reductions in the numbers of beds even though the numbers are not even adequate at the moment to cater for demand.

What kind of system is this? What kind of Government is this that is not providing enough funds to run a basic service? As far as I am concerned it is about people. If it is not about people what the hell is it about? What are we doing here? I cannot understand how a Government could put party before people. Whatever money is necessary to allow the system to work should be put in. People talk about reform but while we are waiting for all this reform we need to think about keeping the services going. Older people know that one's health is one's wealth and if we do not have the health services we need then where are we at the end of the day?

I strongly support this motion. We need infrastructure in rural Ireland. We need CLÁR programmes. CLÁR has been helpful but it is only the tip of the iceberg. We need tax incentive schemes in Mayo to allow us to have a future. I strongly support this motion.

If ever an acronym was more inappropriately and cruelly applied it was RAPID, which stands for revitalising areas through planning, investment and development. It held up the hope for many in disadvantaged communities that a Government would finally pay attention to their real needs and provide the means for those communities to, within their own resources, meet many of the problems that existed and continue to exist.

Unfortunately RAPID seems to be one of the greatest deceits practised by the outgoing Government and continued by this Government. The reality is that there has never been a funding heading for RAPID projects. In opening the debate the Labour Party spokesperson, Deputy O'Shea, listed the replies he had received to letters from various Ministers on 16 April. I asked those same questions on 10 December 2002 and not one iota has changed since.

The Government has been trying to give the impression that money has been spent on the basis of a programme that does not exist. It is using every imaginable funding heading to give the impression that something is happening in this community when all that is happening are things that were happening anyway, some of which pre-dated the RAPID programme and some of which have not even happened yet. It is typical of a Government that is pretending that it is providing services on a national basis yet has fallen at so many fences.

Why should disadvantaged communities be any different? Why should they be different from people who have not been given the health services they have been expecting, the houses they have been expecting or the continued economic prosperity that they have been told exists, but does not seem to exist in reality?

I suspect the Government parties care little for community development. The Progressive Democrats register no votes at all, or very few, in the communities concerned, and Fianna Fáil has always viewed solid, real community development with distrust. This is because it believes that real community development, where people take the means of informing themselves and meeting their own needs from within their own resources, is a challenge to a party that believes it has proprietary interests on how the State is run and how institutions operate at a community level.

Hear, hear.

A Government that is so callous in terms of how it defines and supports communities when communities can, through proper, targeted, direct investment, meet the needs that continue to plague them, is a Government beyond hope. I have experience in my constituency of two communities three miles apart that form two halves of one RAPID project. I have seen how people have worked together to create plans that define the problems and point out to the various State agencies what can be done and how it should be done if only the investment were provided.

Nothing has happened in the three years. All the Government has done is store up resentment that I fear will translate into non-participation in political structures when the people should take exactly the opposite road and reject those who have spun this web of deceit and given the dream of hope for improved communities that now has been so cruelly taken away. Instead they should vote for the alternatives that will put in place a proper system of real community development that they can call their own and not be frustrated and stymied by those who have been so deceitful to them.

I would like to share my time with Deputies Burton, Upton and Stanton.

Acting Chairman

Is that agreed? Agreed.

This morning we got a lecture from the Taoiseach about his concern for disadvantaged communities. In this Private Members' motion we are getting the reality behind the flimflam.

Deputy O'Shea outlined the key cutbacks last night: 5,000 CE places to go by the end of the year; the RAPID programme rapidly running into the sand; no money in the young people's facilities and services fund; and cuts in budgets for area partnerships and community development projects. This is part of the great slash and burn policy that began as soon as deceit and duplicity won the last general election. It is a policy that targets the most vulnerable, the poor of the developing world, those trying to access health care, students and those living in areas of social disadvantage who benefit directly from these schemes that are now being cut.

Such areas are not exclusive to metropolitan Ireland. In County Wicklow even smaller towns and villages are directly affected. In Rathnew for example, the members of a community development group that worked hard to survey the needs in their local area find their project stalled completely. For them and for many others a new and barren landscape has opened up as there is now no money in the kitty for young people's facilities and services. A year ago Ministers scampered around the country dazzling people with the promise of millions in RAPID programme money. However, it turned out that the Ministers were peddling a classic three-card trick and the money that was promised has magically disap peared or is being described in a different way now.

In my home town of Bray the area partnership is now threatened with extraordinarily severe cuts. In November 2002 it was informed that there would be a 6% reduction in the 2003 budget. In March, it was informed the budget would be slashed by 30% on the available balance – a loss of €320,500 in 2003. No organisation can sustain such a loss. If this reduction goes ahead many valuable local projects will be severely affected. These include: basic adult education programmes; literacy schemes; education activities for children like homework clubs and breakfast clubs; enterprise ventures; social economy projects; and community development initiatives.

When I raised my concern at the Bray Town Council meeting about these cutbacks it was rubbished by a phalanx of Fianna Fáil councillors. It was worth noting their venomous defence of the indefensible. In the case of the Ballywaltrim community centre the case for funding is unquestionable. A new community centre is planned to replace the substandard, rat-infested, decrepit Nissen hut that until recently provided the only community centre for this part of Bray. The council has provided more than €300,000 and the local community has raised €35,000. However apart from a tourism grant, the Government has not provided any social disadvantage funds.

The Taoiseach talks to us about social inclusion. However, he is silent as 30,000 more people lose their medical cards, hundreds of people sleep rough on our streets and the community supports upon which those living in poverty depend are being steadily whittled away by his Government, his policies and his hypocrisy.

Rumour has it that the Department run by the Minister, Deputy Ó Cuív, is known either fondly or otherwise as "Craggy Island" in addition to being called the Department of Community, Rural and Gaeltacht Affairs. I would like to ask the Taoiseach what is going on in that Department.

In recent times in my constituency of Dublin West, I have attended no less than three launches under the RAPID programme of needs analysis studies in relation to large areas of local authority housing. People from the area were asked to participate in a study, which involved going out and asking members of the community what they would like to see in their area. The resulting glossy reports, usually featuring photographs of the Fianna Fáil Minister involved, point to communities desperate to see gardaí on the beat and to see more resources put into education so that their young people can both attend nursery school and stay on at school to finish their leaving certificate, never mind go on to third level education.

During the referendum on the Nice treaty, the Taoiseach used the word "dingbat" rather freely. It is as good a word as any to describe the Minister's actions in the Department of Community, Rural and Gaeltacht Affairs. Among those now working in disadvantaged communities, including community development programmes, partnerships, Leader programmes, drugs task forces and the plethora of other bodies that exist, there is a growing bewilderment and frustration as to what exactly is going on. Communities had their expectations significantly raised in the run-up to the last general election by the creation of special initiatives such as RAPID. In essence the Government provided a limited amount of money for the appointment of co-ordinators and the generation of vast amounts of consulting reports and papers.

For the most part, the requests put forward by the community in such reports are utterly predictable and are an indictment of the dismal failure of Fianna Fáil in office to inject real resources into disadvantaged communities. Given the appalling state of policing and local authority services in large housing estates in all our big cities, the notion that people in Fianna Fáil, such as the Minister for Education and Science, Deputy Dempsey, have wrapped the flag of social justice around Fianna Fáil is something of a sick joke. As a consequence of the promises made by Fianna Fáil Ministers in these glossy reports, there is now a growing sense of despondency and frustration within communities. Money that was meant to be spent on child care initiatives remains unspent. Promised resources such as the welfare education officers and National Educational Welfare Board remain undeveloped and unfounded and have never got off the ground. Children as young as nine and ten continue to drop out of school with all the inevitable consequences.

Throughout communities in Ireland there is fear in relation to the closure of community employment places and the reduction in community support programmes, which are keeping resource centres and information centres open in some of the most disadvantaged areas in the State. To accuse Fianna Fáil and the Taoiseach of cynicism in relation to disadvantaged communities in this country is an understatement.

The Minister, Deputy Ó Cuív, and the Minister of State, Deputy Noel Ahern, have been responsible for allowing a large number of agencies, boards, projects, partnerships, advisory groups, contract groups and drugs task forces to mushroom in every district and area. Clearly the Minister, Deputy Ó Cuív, is of a mind to substantially reduce this elaborate edifice, now that it has served its electoral purpose for Fianna Fáil. We call on the Minister to give some indication as to how he proposes to spend the money that is already lying unutilised and the money that was promised during the election for disadvantage.

The key issue here is to give communities the confidence that their community resource centres will stay open and that the initiatives created to encourage young people to stay in school and to encourage older people to avail of second chance education will continue to operate and grow. We have had a rather synthetic debate in recent weeks about access to third level education. In wrapping the flag of social justice around himself, the Minister, Deputy Dempsey, has stated that his concern is to encourage students from disadvantaged backgrounds into third level education.

If the Minister wants to get students from poor backgrounds to go into third level education, the way to do it is to ensure, first of all, that they get a decent nursery and primary education and a decent second level education. Under Fianna Fáil's stewardship, the number of students from disadvantaged backgrounds staying on to complete their leaving certificate at second level has fallen. That is a disgrace. Niamh Bhreathnach, when Minister for Education, consistently raised the level of completions of the leaving certificate. While Fianna Fáil and the Progressive Democrats have been in office it has consistently fallen. That is the real legacy of Fianna Fáil.

In his contribution to this debate, the Minister of State at the Department of the Community, Rural and Gaeltacht Affairs, Deputy Noel Ahern, regaled us with a long litany of achievements and successes in his area of responsibility. I would like to invite the Minister of State to visit my constituency to see, at first hand, some of the consequences of those achievements, or of the lack of them. He will be able to meet the discontented and unhappy CE workers who are being told, almost on a daily basis, that their schemes are under threat. They are being cut severely and, in some cases, closed down completely. In the Crumlin, Drimnagh, Bluebell and Walkinstown areas cuts of up to 31.5% have been announced. Four schemes are to be removed completely. CE schemes have provided a lifeline for many people who had been excluded from the workforce for many years. More importantly, they provided people with dignity, a sense of purpose and, in many cases, an opportunity for retraining and re-education. Now, the carpet has been pulled from under their feet. In addition to the cost to the individual, many of these schemes were providing a valuable community service and this will also disappear. Again, the people who will be most hurt are the most vulnerable, most at risk and most disadvantaged.

The Minister referred to the need to co-ordinate some schemes and to mainstream those that worked. I agree with him. I would have no difficulty in looking at mainstreaming those schemes that were successful, but slashing the schemes that work or failing to introduce schemes that would address the issue of social disadvantage is a completely different matter.

Whatever happened to the educational welfare board? Why is the board not up and running and functioning properly and why, when we were promised 300 officers are only 23 available? There is no area to which more lip service is paid than to education and its value. Every time we want to find a method for dispensing with social exclusion we latch on to the importance of education, and rightly so. We refer to education as the vehicle for breaking the poverty trap, we see it as a lifeline for those who are marginalised but what is the response to those who are most excluded, most at risk and most likely to drop out of the education system? There is a token educational welfare board boasting a mere 8% of the promised quota. There is no plan to address the enormous problem of non-school attendance for those who most need to be in school every day. There is no commitment to addressing the major problem of early school leaving. In my own constituency this is a major problem with young children of nine and ten who are not attending primary school and there is no one to address this problem.

Where do the elderly fit into the scheme of things? They are ensconced as virtual prisoners in their own homes or flats, afraid to go out and walk the streets because of the lack of policing and the risk of security for them. They are afraid to answer the doorbell because they are afraid they will be mugged, they are watching their pension increase being eroded before they have a chance to get their hands on it and they are waiting, in many cases, for up to two years to have a shower or a ramp installed. If that is not social exclusion what is? It is also depriving these people of their independence, their confidence and their dignity.

The public were fed a concentrated diet of promises in the lead-in to the election and it is all too obvious that it was no more than hot air.

I thank the members of the Labour Party for sharing their time with me and I compliment the party on putting down this important motion.

It is amazing that when cutbacks come our way and the economic situation gets tough, it is the weak who suffer. I am not surprised that this is the case in this PD-led Government. The Progressive Democrats have no time for, or interest in, people from disadvantaged backgrounds.

We see where the main cutbacks have occurred. Cutbacks in CE schemes hurt the weak and people who are most marginalised. We were promised a disabilities Bill and other measures to deal with disabilities but the cutbacks have hurt people with disabilities more than most and the Progressive Democrats do not care. The Minister of State with responsibility for that area, Deputy Parlon, is doing nothing about it. We were promised that CE schemes in the health area would be mainstreamed but there is no funding for that this year and no plans to do it.

The Minister for Community, Rural and Gaeltacht Affairs is now known as the Minister for Craggy Island. I was glad to hear him say he is going to look at the claims for partnerships and ADMs made prior to Christmas 2002 which were not paid until this year. That is important and I urge him to do that. It is a crucial issue and is a cause of hardship in those areas.

Decentralisation was mentioned. I will believe it when I see it. I am sure it will be politically motivated when and if it happens.

The Government has no youth policy. The Departments of Arts, Sport and Tourism, Education and Science, Justice, Equality and Law Reform, Health and Children and Community, Rural and Gaeltacht Affairs are all responsible for youth policy. I am concerned about young people and public order offences. This occurs in areas of disadvantage more than most. The National Crime Council recently issued a report which recommended that steps be taken to improve and extend the range and variety of youth services so that young people can meet and engage in age-appropriate leisure activities. Very little is happening in this area. There is no co-ordination and no policy. A Youth Work Bill was published but no money is available for implementation. The Joint Committee on Education and Science recently discussed this issue and was told that the minimum resources necessary for the vocational education committees to take part in this must be put in place but that no money is available. The Minister for Social and Family Affairs, fair play to her, is trying to get money but nothing is being made available. The IVEA and the chief executive officers' association have also been looking for action in this area but they have been told it is not possible to have funding in the Estimates. The people who will be hurt more than most are young people and their families throughout the country.

I call on the Minister and on the Government to bring forward a proper youth service plan, to fully implement the Youth Work Act and to provide the small amount of money necessary for youth work. We know what happened. The Government, with its focus groups, discovered the importance of the grey vote and has decided to cut young people adrift. It is going to reintroduce college fees, if it can, and is doing nothing for youth work.

I challenge the Government to put forward a proper youth plan and to let us know what it intends to do about it. Youth services are not sufficient. Barnardos is also calling for community services, youth centres and youth workers. It is time the Government did something about this instead of paying lip service and making speeches of gobbledygook that mean nothing and show no heart or passion for the problems that exist in our society and are visited upon everybody.

A Progressive Democrats Minister is also responsible for the insurance industry. Insurance costs are shutting down community facilities left, right and centre and nothing has been done about it. I challenge the Minister of State to tell me one effective initiative that has been taken in the last year since the report on insurance was issued. Insurance costs are rising, employers are having to close businesses and youth facilities and other facilities such as playgrounds are closing down. The Government has done nothing about this except issue reports, set up commissions and sit on its hands. It is time it did something about this problem. I challenge the Government on the two issues of youth work and insurance.

My contribution will be a parochial one because this will be an effective way to demonstrate the fact that this motion from the Labour Party is a little hysterical.

In the last few years disadvantage in my constituency has been tackled in a comprehensive way. I would go as far as saying that parts of my constituency have been transformed as a direct result of a number of Government initiatives. In my experience, problems with social exclusion are a priority for this Fianna Fáil-led Government and this can be seen in a practical way on the ground. Of course the global economic downturn has impacted on the public finances—

—and of necessity there has been some reduction in expenditure this year on the various schemes. However, people generally understand this reality and these temporary financial difficulties do not mean in any way that the Government's overall commitments in relation to social inclusion have been abandoned.

Who wrote that for the Deputy?

The Deputy should sack himself.

The Labour Party should not be so negative. It will never get into power while it is so negative. Try to be positive and maybe the people will support you.

Several programmes have brought about major improvements in the quality of life in disadvantaged areas of Dublin North Central.

Kinsealy mansion.

The Northside Partnership was established to tackle long-term unemployment and has targeted specific groups in the community. It also aims to develop the social, community and artistic life of its catchment area. The Dublin North-East Drugs Task Force, the RAPID programme in the Coolock area—

What RAPID programme?

—the community development programme, the Kilmore West and the Coolock-Harmonstown-Artane projects are all up and running and a new CDP in Edenmore is promised for next year. The young people's services and facilities fund has assisted many projects in my area but the flagship project must be the new Donnycarney sports and recreational complex which is now under construction at a cost of €2.8 million and should be open in August. All these initiatives are specifically designed to tackle disadvantage and are in addition to the normal day-to-day Government programmes at central and local government levels.

It has been claimed that the economic boom was squandered and that the Celtic tiger bypassed working class areas, but that is not true. For example, the Adare-Bunratty estate in Dublin 17 could be classed as an area of disadvantage.

Is that near Kinsealy?

Adjacent to it. For the past two years the skyline of the estate has been dominated by cranes. The Northside Civic Centre has just been completed by the Office of Public Works at a cost of €6 million and is occupied by Dublin City Council and the Department of Social and Family Affairs among others – those two tenants took up residence in the past few weeks. The Coolock Development Council had its enterprise units in the estate opened by the Tánaiste. They are publicly funded by Enterprise Ireland and other bodies. The Taoiseach recently opened the new training, clinical and administrative premises for St. Michael's House in the same area. The same housing block also accommodates a wide range of social, community and voluntary services, all assisted by Government grants.

All with no money.

A scheme to refurbish maisonettes in the locality is currently awaiting approval from the Department of the Environment and Local Government. I hope that will happen in the near future.

Deputy Haughey, without interruption.

The area manager in Dublin City Council is also hopeful it will proceed in the near future. There are problems this year, as I said, but they are temporary. I accept that the budget for the Northside Partnership has been cut by 20% and progress on RAPID has been slower than anticipated.

Not so rapid.

Area implementation teams are a little disillusioned because of this but these problems can and will be sorted out, given the overall commitment of the Government in this area.

Joyriding has been mentioned and it is a problem in estates in north Dublin and elsewhere. The Garda says it does not require further legislation, therefore we must ensure the existing law is implemented and that the various initiatives in place to tackle the issue are supported and expanded.

The education welfare service was a major Government initiative regarding school attendance and €5.4 million has been provided for the board this year. There are teething problems regarding staff which I assume are temporary in nature.

I accept community employment schemes play an important role in social and community life. I do not have time to develop that point but great progress has been made in tackling disadvantage in the past few years. There are problems with finance this year but let us not exaggerate. This motion is over the top and should not be supported.

I propose to share my time with Deputies Gilmore and Rabbitte.

Is that agreed? Agreed.

I take issue with Deputy Haughey's suggestion that we are being hysterical with the motion. If he talks to anyone in the gallery who represents a community organisation or those in his community or mine—

—he will find that people are deeply disturbed that the work they have done in recent decades is being dismantled. There is apparently no understanding on the Government side of what is happening. People I know who live in areas classified as disadvantaged have learned much about community development. They have identified their needs and worked together to set up structures and networks; they have drawn up plans, particularly the RAPID plans, though those will not be put into effect as there is no money for them; they have campaigned for services and found out how to access funding; and they have managed schemes like the CE scheme, run programmes and educated and upskilled themselves. They are deeply disillusioned and in some ways there is disbelief at the lack of understanding of what has been going on in their communities in the past few decades and what they have achieved through using programmes and working together to develop their communities. There seems to be no understanding of the importance of what they have achieved and their work is being dismantled before their eyes.

These people have to put up with long-winded waffle about addressing disadvantage. There is a great deal of talk about disadvantage but people have identified the needs in their communities and their achievements are being taken apart. Funding is not being provided and progress is not being made. They have the structures in place and they know what they need, the resources to maintain that progress. However, those resources are being pulled and it is deeply destructive to turn back that progress.

These communities have been particularly vocal on the value of education both for themselves and their children. Many people who had no chance of education when they were younger have grasped the opportunity of second chance education and they value the need to give their children the benefit of opportunities they did not have. The Minister for Education and Science has abused the word "disadvantage" more than anyone else because he has been talking about it since he came into office but has done nothing about it. He cut programmes which were designed to tackle disadvantage last September when the cuts in the Department of Education and Science included €3.8 million from adult education courses and €6 million from school retention schemes. The education welfare board, which Deputy Haughey and others mentioned, was not given the resources to roll out its services – in many areas there is no-one with the job of ensuring that children stay in school. The old system has gone and the new system is inadequately resourced. Schemes like Early Start and Breaking the Cycle have not been developed and those are the kinds of schemes which make a difference in schools where children need extra support.

Nobody on the Government side seems to care about the reality of the schemes which will assist young people. There are some excellent schools and programmes around the country for those who do not fit into regular schools and who need special educational environments. Those schools are strapped for cash and have long waiting lists. There have been suggestions as to how the number of unqualified teachers in disadvantaged schools can be addressed but no funding has been advanced. The Society of St. Vincent de Paul had to put €2 million into disadvantage in education last year.

These issues should be properly addressed. Instead of talking about disadvantage the Government should do something about it.

In the period before the last general election when Fianna Fáil election candidates were not to be found in the local school promising an extension which would never be built, they were to be found in the local community centres promising facilities which they were never going to deliver. The biggest lie of the lot was the RAPID programme which was supposed to fast-track investment in disadvantaged areas but which rapidly disappeared after the election. The only thing it speeded up was the re-election of Fianna Fáil to Government.

Since then we have had a litany of cuts implemented in disadvantaged areas. In my constituency, the Southside Partnership has had its budget cut by 37%.

That is not correct.

It is correct. Let us stick to the facts, because the facts hurt. The Johnstown community employment scheme was approved to employ 17 people but was only allowed to recruit 11 people and was told that all community projects are on hold until September. The co-ordinator of the Loughlinstown employment group, Mary McHugh, stated in a communication to me that due to recent cuts, the scheme has been significantly affected. She said services to the community, as well as the group's ability to employ, have changed and that it could no longer take on new applicants or run the present projects sufficiently with the small amount of employees left. She went on to say that this project, for example, had suffered cuts of over 50% in the last year alone reducing its staff to fewer than 15 with one working on the community magazine and the number working on secretarial services reduced. Even the crèche facility has had its complement of staff reduced.

What was the response of the Minister, Deputy Ó Cuív, to the motion tabled by the Labour Party? It was to come into the House and cite again the litany of the millions. That is this Government's answer to every practical issue of community deprivation raised before it. The Minister said the housing commitment alone for regeneration projects in RAPID areas amounts to €900 million. That is a lot of millions and is impressive—

—but tell that to the people of Ballybrack who have been waiting for years for the Laurel Avenue scheme to go ahead and which is being delayed in the Department of the Environment and Local Government or to the people of Mountwood-Fitzgerald Park, one of the most disadvantaged areas not only in my constituency but in the country—

Is the Deputy disputing the figures?

—whose regeneration programme was approved seven years ago when we were in Government – by Deputy Howlin when he was Minister for the Environment and by Deputy McManus when she was Minister of State with responsibility for housing – but which has been moving at a snail's pace under this Government as the Department of the Environment and Local Government and its Minister of State with responsibility for housing puts every obstacle they can find in its way. We are still waiting for Government approval for the second phase, the Fitzgerald Park part. The people of that area are not impressed with the Minister coming into the House telling us that €900 million is available for regeneration in RAPID areas when they cannot see the practical application of it in these areas.

Some €300 million has already been spent.

Since there has been a lot of talk here today about educational disadvantage—

(Interruptions).

Allow Deputy Gilmore to speak without interruption.

—let me tell the Minister how to tackle educational disadvantage. One does what the community workers in Mountwood-Fitzgerald Park are doing. One takes children from disadvantaged communities and helps them with their homework. One does the practical things needed to lift them out of the educational poverty in which they find themselves. What is the Government's response? Those people need a building in which to do that. They are operating out of two old apartments in a building which is about to be demolished. For three years they have asked the Government to provide the money and the resources for a resource centre and a building in which they can do that kind of important work. All of the rhetoric we have heard over the last couple of days from Fianna Fáil about educational disadvantage will ring a lot more true when I see the approval for that building to provide the children of that area with the educational opportunities they need and deserve.

I thank colleagues on all sides – in Fine Gael, the Green Party and the Independents – for supporting this motion in the names of my colleagues, Deputies O'Shea and Howlin, because it focuses on the real injustice in this society, which is, the manner in which this Government has pulled out from under various community organisations and groups which are keeping many disadvantaged communities together. It was hard to listen to the Taoiseach this morning trying to convert the reintroduction of fees for third level education into an argument about disadvantage. The record of this Government on disadvantage is plain to see: the manner in which it savaged the community employment scheme; stopped the job initiative scheme; dismantled the RAPID programme; failed to fund the drug strategy; impacted on the earnings of lone parents; and undermined the back to education allowance on which my colleague, Deputy Penrose, won a minor concession. This is the reality. If this Government was interested in disadvantage, it could have expanded and built on the Breaking the Cycle programme introduced by Niamh Breathnach and it could have put money into the Early Start programme, but it brought in a 69% increase in registration fees for every class of student, poor or rich.

I understand that when I was not in the House, the Minister, Deputy Ó Cuív, had some things to say about me. He wanted to know why I arrived late for the meeting in Tallaght at which he spoke.

I said it was perfectly understandable.

The reason I arrived late was that I was not invited and did not know it was on until I heard you were out there blathering through your hat.

Will Deputy Rabbitte address his remarks through the Chair?

Through the Chair, he was talking through his hat. He wanted to know why I showed disrespect for him by walking out of the House during an Adjournment debate. I did not show disrespect. I had a commitment.

It was not disrespect for me, but for the House.

I was a victim of a new arrangement in the House whereby two Deputies are taken on the Adjournment whereas previously, they used to share time or were taken individually. I meant no disrespect, no more than I meant disrespect by my absence tonight. I had to attend the funeral of a woman in my constituency whose son is the editor of the Tallaght Echo. The Minister may have heard on radio that she was taken into Tallaght Hospital where she spent five days on a trolley. She died the morning she was moved to a bed. That is the reason I was absent tonight.

Having said that, I have a soft spot for the Minister, Deputy Ó Cuív, because I grew up with the fairytales of his late, respected grandmother who used to write them and who has an endearing role in the minds of many of us. However, what I take exception to is that in 2003, Fianna Fáil is still telling fairytales to the people and the Minister, Deputy Ó Cuív, is the best fairytale spinner in the House. He comes in here and he tries to make an argument about RAPID when it has been dismantled. What the Minister is engaged in is labelling anything that moves as RAPID. RAPID was a stunt to win the election for Fianna Fáil candidates in disadvantaged communities and the Minister knows it. The Minister's colleague, Deputy O'Connor, who was a beneficiary of it and who I am delighted to see has a matter on the Adjournment tonight for the second night in a row, which is a bit unusual, read into the record last night the state of play on community employment in the constituency he and I share. The FÁS guide figure after the initial round of cuts after the election brought down the number to 420 in the Tallaght area. It has now got an instruction that by the end of the year, it must get the places back to 362. When I rang the labour exchange I found out that there are 7,000 people eligible for community employment in Tallaght.

The Minister came in here and tried to pretend this Government is somehow interested in disadvantage when there seems to be no appreciation of the very people in the community who have been keeping some of those disadvantaged communities going and who are responsible for second chance education, the drugs programmes, the women's groups, the arts groups and all of the community work community employment is about.

There seems to be no appreciation. The Minister rambles on about CLÁR in Fettercairn, but he might as well be talking about Mars. The people there are interested in the projects they put together to comprise the plan he required them to submit under the RAPID programme. They came up with a wealth of meritorious projects and now they are told there is no funding available for them. That is the net issue and there is no point in relabelling and redesignating.

Deputy Lynch told me yesterday that a bridge is being built in Cork, which is a RAPID project. This is absolutely farcical. RAPID was a carefully chosen acronym to mislead at election time and was responsible for the election of people like my good friend, Deputy O'Connor, but it has done damn-all for disadvantage. The Minister ought to be ashamed of himself for criticising me for being absent at a funeral which—

I did not. The Deputy should check the record.

—if the health services were different, might not have taken place.

Amendment put.

Ahern, Dermot.Ahern, Michael.Andrews, Barry.Ardagh, Seán.Aylward, Liam.Brady, Johnny.Brady, Martin.Brennan, Seamus.Browne, John.Callanan, Joe.Callely, Ivor.Carey, Pat.Carty, John.

Cassidy, Donie.Collins, Michael.Cooper-Flynn, Beverley.Cowen, Brian.Cregan, John.Curran, John.Davern, Noel.Dempsey, Tony.Dennehy, John.Devins, Jimmy.Ellis, John.Fahey, Frank. Finneran, Michael.

Tá–continued

Fitzpatrick, Dermot.Fleming, Seán.Gallagher, Pat The Cope.Glennon, Jim.Grealish, Noel.Hanafin, Mary.Haughey, Seán.Hoctor, Máire.Keaveney, Cecilia.Kelleher, Billy.Kelly, Peter.Killeen, Tony.Kirk, Seamus.Kitt, Tom.Lenihan, Brian.Lenihan, Conor.McCreevy, Charlie.McDowell, Michael.McEllistrim, Thomas.McGuinness, John.Moloney, John.Moynihan, Donal.Moynihan, Michael.Mulcahy, Michael.Nolan, M. J.

Ó Cuív, Éamon.Ó Fearghaíl, Seán.O'Connor, Charlie.O'Dea, Willie.O'Donnell, Liz.O'Donoghue, John.O'Donovan, Denis.O'Flynn, Noel.O'Keeffe, Batt.O'Keeffe, Ned.O'Malley, Tim.Parlon, Tom.Power, Peter.Power, Seán.Ryan, Eoin.Sexton, Mae.Smith, Brendan.Smith, Michael.Treacy, Noel.Wallace, Dan.Wallace, Mary.Walsh, Joe.Wilkinson, Ollie.Wright, G. V.

Níl

Allen, Bernard.Boyle, Dan.Breen, James.Breen, Pat.Broughan, Thomas P.Bruton, Richard.Burton, Joan.Connaughton, Paul.Connolly, Paudge.Costello, Joe.Coveney, Simon.Cowley, Jerry.Crowe, Seán.Cuffe, Ciarán.Deasy, John.Deenihan, Jimmy.Durkan, Bernard J.Enright, Olwyn.Ferris, Martin.Fox, Mildred.Gilmore, Eamon.Gogarty, Paul.Gormley, John.Harkin, Marian.Hayes, Tom.Healy, Seamus.Higgins, Michael D.Hogan, Phil.Howlin, Brendan.Kenny, Enda.

Lynch, Kathleen.McCormack, Padraic.McGinley, Dinny.McHugh, Paddy.McManus, Liz.Mitchell, Gay.Morgan, Arthur.Murphy, Gerard.Naughten, Denis.Neville, Dan.Ó Caoláin, Caoimhghín.Ó Snodaigh, Aengus.O'Keeffe, Jim.O'Shea, Brian.O'Sullivan, Jan.Pattison, Seamus.Penrose, Willie.Perry, John.Quinn, Ruairí.Rabbitte, Pat.Ring, Michael.Ryan, Eamon.Ryan, Seán.Sargent, Trevor.Sherlock, Joe.Shortall, Róisín.Stagg, Emmet.Stanton, David.Upton, Mary.Wall, Jack.

Tellers: Tá, Deputies Hanafin and Kelleher; Níl, Deputies Stagg and Durkan.
Amendment declared carried.
Question put: "That the motion, as amended, be agreed to."
The Dáil divided by electronic means.

A Cheann Comhairle, given the importance of the issue that we have been debating and the Government's miserly response to the debate, as a teller and under Standing Orders of the House, I am demanding a vote by other than electronic means.

As Deputy Stagg, who is demanding the division, is a teller, the vote will proceed in accordance with Standing Order 69.

Question, "That the motion as amended be agreed to", again put.

Ahern, Dermot.Ahern, Michael.Andrews, Barry.Ardagh, Seán.Aylward, Liam.Brady, Johnny.Brady, Martin.Brennan, Seamus.Browne, John.Callanan, Joe.Callely, Ivor.Carey, Pat.Carty, John.Cassidy, Donie.Collins, Michael.Cooper-Flynn, Beverley.Cowen, Brian.Cregan, John.Curran, John.Davern, Noel.Dempsey, Tony.Dennehy, John.Devins, Jimmy.Ellis, John.Fahey, Frank.Finneran, Michael.Fitzpatrick, Dermot.Fleming, Seán.Gallagher, Pat The Cope.Glennon, Jim.Grealish, Noel.Hanafin, Mary.Haughey, Seán.Hoctor, Máire.Keaveney, Cecilia.Kelleher, Billy.Kelly, Peter.Killeen, Tony.

Kirk, Seamus.Kitt, Tom.Lenihan, Brian.Lenihan, Conor.McCreevy, Charlie.McDowell, Michael.McEllistrim, Thomas.McGuinness, John.Moloney, John.Moynihan, Donal.Moynihan, Michael.Mulcahy, Michael.Nolan, M. J.Ó Cuív, Éamon.Ó Fearghaíl, Seán.O'Connor, Charlie.O'Dea, Willie.O'Donnell, Liz.O'Donoghue, John.O'Donovan, Denis.O'Flynn, Noel.O'Keeffe, Batt.O'Keeffe, Ned.O'Malley, Tim.Parlon, Tom.Power, Peter.Power, Seán.Ryan, Eoin.Sexton, Mae.Smith, Brendan.Smith, Michael.Treacy, Noel.Wallace, Dan.Wallace, Mary.Walsh, Joe.Wilkinson, Ollie.Wright, G. V.

Níl

Allen, Bernard.Boyle, Dan.Breen, James.Breen, Pat.Broughan, Thomas P.Bruton, Richard.Burton, Joan.Connaughton, Paul.Connolly, Paudge.Costello, Joe.Coveney, Simon.Cowley, Jerry.Crowe, Seán.Cuffe, Ciarán.Deasy, John.Deenihan, Jimmy.Durkan, Bernard J.Enright, Olwyn.Ferris, Martin.Gilmore, Eamon.Gogarty, Paul.Gormley, John.

Harkin, Marian.Hayes, Tom.Healy, Seamus.Higgins, Michael D.Hogan, Phil.Howlin, Brendan.Kenny, Enda.Lynch, Kathleen.McCormack, Padraic.McGinley, Dinny.McManus, Liz.Mitchell, Gay.Mitchell, Olivia.Morgan, Arthur.Murphy, Gerard.Naughten, Denis.Neville, Dan.Ó Caoláin, Caoimhghín.Ó Snodaigh, Aengus.O'Keeffe, Jim.O'Shea, Brian. O'Sullivan, Jan.

Níl– continued

Pattison, Seamus.Penrose, Willie.Perry, John.Quinn, Ruairí.Rabbitte, Pat.Ring, Michael.Ryan, Eamon.

Ryan, Seán.Sargent, Trevor.Sherlock, Joe.Shortall, Róisín.Stagg, Emmet.Upton, Mary.Wall, Jack.

Tellers: Tá, Deputies Hanafin and Kelleher; Níl, Deputies Stagg and Durkan.

Question declared carried.
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