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Thursday, 27 Apr 2023

Vol. 1037 No. 3

Historic and Archaeological Heritage Bill 2023 [Seanad]: Second Stage (Resumed)

Question again proposed: "That the Bill be now read a Second Time."

Before the debate was adjourned, I was making the point that according to the 2001 survey published by the Heritage Council, 34% of the State's archaeological monuments had been destroyed since 1840. The survey found the destruction was continuing at an alarming rate. Once a monument is destroyed, it is gone forever; it can never be brought back. We have seen such destruction in Wood Quay and Carrickmines Castle. We have had warnings from recent history even with what we saw happening in the attempted destruction of Georgian Dublin, all in the name of modernity. We saw the ill-thought-out road widening that occurred in inner city communities. There were even proposals, which, thankfully, never came to fruition, to fill in the canals. There was pushback from architects, students, housing action campaigns, the Irish Georgian Society and people like Senator David Norris in North Great Georges Street and Uinseann MacEoin in Henrietta Street. When it comes to heritage, it is worth remembering that what can seem like a good idea to some people in one decade can be considered a terrible idea the next decade. Attitudes can change quickly but once heritage is destroyed it is destroyed for ever, so we must take aspects of this Bill very seriously.

I want to outline three key points in respect of the Bill. One is about the power of the Minister to destroy monuments, and the lack of checks and balances in this regard. The second is the claim of ignorance as a defence to destroy a monument. It is a get-out-of-jail-free card. There is a very good recommendation in our pre-legislative scrutiny report on how to deal with that. The third point is the importance of recognising archaeological landscapes, including battlefields, and implementing in full the Valetta Convention rather than just making some references to it.

There has been substantial change in the language used in the Bill compared with the 2004 Act in terms of the demolition of monuments, but the change in language fools nobody. I recognise that great lengths have been taken in drafting this Bill to remove all the highly objectionable wording from the previous Act. Instead of references to "demolish or remove it [a monument] wholly or in part or to disfigure, deface, alter, or in any manner injure or interfere with it" from section 14(a) of the 2004 legislation, we now have, "Where the Minister is minded to take a Register action which, if taken, will cause a registered monument to cease to be a registered monument" in section 17(5).

I object to the term "a register action". What a way to try and hide, through the misuse and abuse of language, the fact that this Bill will facilitate the Minister to demolish a monument without proper checks and balances. The reference is passive and is to a monument ceasing to be a monument. What a way to conceal what will actually be taking place, which is the destruction of a monument? It will not cease to be a monument just by itself, but because the Minister has actively taken a decision to deregister it and to allow its destruction and demolition. The reference is to the monument ceasing to be, but what we are doing is allowing the Minister to destroy a monument, without checks and balances.

The Bill allows the Heritage Council to act as a point of consultation but, notwithstanding that, all power in the Bill rests with the Minister. How can it be appropriate for all this power to lie with the Minister of the day? The legal entitlement to do so should not be at the disposal of one individual, namely, the Minister. There must be checks and balances. The national monuments advisory council should be re-established. We need independent expert advice. Decision-making should not rest in the hands of one individual. Why would the Minister not want to avail of external expertise? It is generally accepted that most of the recognised leading authorities in the country on the various elements of archaeology are to be found outside of the public service. Specialists are key in each and every different area for different periods and types of heritage. The Minister must consult with them if he or she is thinking of deregistering a monument. To fail to have those safeguards in the Bill leaves us in the same sort of scenario as provided for in the 2004 Act.

The issue is addressed in the joint committee's pre-legislative scrutiny report, but the Minister decided not to take on board most of our recommendations. Recommendation 1 in respect of the relevant head states:

That the National Monuments Advisory Council [as constituted in the original legislation] be re-established and that the proposed Bill provide for an obligation to consult with the Heritage Council and the National Monuments Advisory Council where changes in the level of protection are proposed for a monument, where it is proposed to remove a monument from the register, and where works to a monument with special protection may cause damage.

This is an excellent recommendation. I urge the Government to take it on board. It was agreed unanimously on a cross-party basis by the joint committee. It is worth noting that there is no cultural or heritage ombudsman. Meanwhile, the courts have made it clear that they cannot intervene on behalf of our national heritage. In the words of the Supreme Court, the 2004 amendment to the National Monuments Act "removed a bundle of protections" from the Act. This was made crystal clear in the decision by the Court of Appeal regarding the 1916 Moore Street site. It was ruled that, despite the monument having been declared a national monument, its full extent or historical landscape could only be defined by the relevant Minister.

The court concluded that as the law stands it was a matter of purely political assessment. The only concession that seems to have been made in the Bill is that the Minister should refer the fate of a contentious monument to the Heritage Council. I have massive respect for that council and the role it plays but it is worth noting it has only one professional archaeologist and no historian on its staff. One archaeologist cannot be expected to fulfil the role of an independent panel of experts by any professional evaluation. Therefore, the Bill, as currently presented, proposes to maintain the unfettered primacy of the Minister of the day. The Bill in its current form maintains the concentration of power and the negative status quo of the past 20 years.

I have referred to the issue of defences as the get out of jail free card in this. How can anyone be successfully convicted of an offence if this part of the Bill is retained? It effectively allows ignorance of legal responsibilities to be a defence against prosecution. There is a very good recommendation in the pre-legislative scrutiny report on how best to address this, recommendation No. 4. That recommendation states that, rather than the Bill taking a belated monument destruction prosecution angle, it should work on monument destruction prevention and take practical steps towards that. An Taisce has said threatening landowners and farmers with unrealistic fines of up to €10 million or a prison term of up to five years is, in its words, “ridiculous” and that no court in the land is likely, apart from deliberate destruction of the likes of Newgrange, to impose such penalties. Given the number of prosecutions – only nine since 2007 – that is not the best route to go down. I urge the Minister of State to consider recommendation No. 4, which is about prevention and taking proactive steps to prevent ignorance as a defence and prevent the destruction of monuments. That is the way to go.

I will address the use of the word “thing” in the legislation. It appears 154 times in singular and plural. Why use the word “thing”, which is undefined in the legislation, so much? How is “thing”, which the Bill relies on so heavily, defined? The Minister of State may tell us in his closing remarks. If I am not present, I will be listening in. There is a concern the overuse of this word, not properly defined, in so many contexts in the Bill will lead to much ambiguity and could lead to endless litigation. If the Minister of State could address that, I would be grateful.

The Valletta Convention is critical to the Bill. On 13 February 1997 in this Chamber, former Deputy Síle de Valera, on behalf of Fianna Fáil, posed a question to the Minister of State, Donal Carey of Fine Gael, as to why nothing been done about this convention. Twenty-six years later, the question remains valid. Some minor concessions have been made on this in the Seanad. From our pre-legislative scrutiny, there are references to the Valletta Convention in the Bill but the key significance of the convention around landscapes has not been addressed. Archaeological reserves or landscapes are highlighted in Articles 2 and 4 of the convention. Those articles are important. Article 2 states:

Each Party undertakes to institute, by means appropriate to the State in question, a legal system for the protection of the archaeological heritage, making provision for:

i the maintenance of an inventory of its archaeological heritage and the designation of protected monuments and areas;

ii the creation of archaeological reserves [...]

This has not been addressed in the Bill. Article 4 states:

Each Party undertakes to implement measures for the physical protection of the archaeological heritage, making provisions, as circumstances demand:

i for the acquisition or protection by other appropriate means by the authorities of areas intended to constitute archaeological reserves; [This is the key point.]

ii for the conservation and maintenance of the archaeological heritage, preferably in situ;

A "reserve" can only be defined as a delineated area with clearly identifiable boundaries. None of this is addressed in the Bill. I understand the Minister is bringing forward amendments on Committee Stage. It is key these questions are addressed by those amendments. Archaeological reserves and archaeological protection areas should be clearly delineated on a map so we know exactly what we are talking about. If it is not clearly delineated, we do not know the extent of the protected areas. It is essential that be addressed. Where in the Bill will the archaeological reserves be addressed and defined? That is critical. When Ireland ratified the Valletta Convention, we did so in its entirety. Articles 2 and 4 need to be addressed in this legislation and cannot be brushed over.

The joint Oireachtas committee recommended in its pre-legislative scrutiny report that the proposed Bill incorporate principles and requirements as laid out in the articles of the European Convention on the Protection of Archaeological Heritage. There was no suggestion that any of the principles and requirements laid out in the convention would be omitted. Archaeological reserves and landscapes are already a reality in Ireland. Our two UNESCO sites clearly fall into this category. UNESCO highlighted that "The dramatic topography of the island [of Sceilg Mhichíl, which I have had the pleasure of visiting] and the integration of the various monastic elements within the landscape reinforce the uniqueness of the property". Similarly, the UNESCO site of Brú na Bóinne qualifies as an archaeological reserve. The combination of monuments and a broad swathe of protected surrounding terrain is delineated by a very clear formal boundary. The monastic remains only occupy a small area of the island of Sceilg Mhichíl and the tombs at Brú na Bóinne likewise occupy a low percentage of the designated area. Simply put, both World Heritage Sites in the Republic of Ireland are archaeological landscapes, but archaeological landscapes are not specifically protected in the Bill. That needs to be done clearly and explicitly in the Bill. Given that these archaeological reserves or landscapes are already in existence in Ireland, why are their full extents not being afforded proper, clear, unambiguous legal protection in this Bill?

Furthermore, how can we have major battlefields, some of European importance and significance, left totally unprotected in the Bill? For example, the Battle of Aughrim, fought on 22 July 1691 between the Williamites and Jacobites, cost, at a conservative estimate, over 7,000 lives. The bodies of the fallen were never recovered and are thus scattered around the battlefield. What is the full extent of the battlefield? One thing for certain is that it does not enjoy the protection of this Bill in its current form.

Whilst the Bill defines “landscape” as having “the same meaning as it has in Article 1 of the European Landscape Convention done at Florence on 20 October 2000”, it does not explain how these landscapes manifest themselves on the ground. If the boundaries are not defined and delineated then how can they be protected? The European Landscape Convention, also known as the Florence convention, Article 1, provides a definition of a “landscape” as “an area whose character is the result of the action and interaction of natural and/or human factors”. A battlefield, scarred by entrenchments, employment of natural terrain, troop movements, encampments and engagements can clearly be described as a “landscape”. Where are these landscapes identified and delineated in the Bill?

To compound this irony, the Government’s wish list for future UNESCO sites in the Republic of Ireland includes the passage tomb landscape of County Sligo and the royal complex at Rathcroghan in County Roscommon. Rathcroghan or Cruachain was the seat of the ancient kings and queens of Connacht. The complex of monuments extends over an area of about 800 ha. How can UNESCO be persuaded to list the complex of 800 ha if the Rathcroghan landscape is neither recognised nor afforded legal protection in the Bill?

While the Bill contains the vague aspiration “to give further effect to the Valletta Convention”, this is completely insufficient. We cannot accept tokenistic and vague language in this matter. The Bill is called “Historic and Archaeological Heritage Bill”. It should live up to its full title. I will bring amendments to address these issues and look forward to seeing the Minister of State’s amendments as well. I hope the Minister of State is taking these issues seriously. It is important that historical monuments and archaeological areas which are on the register as afforded protection under the 1987 Act are part of the amendments.

I commend the Minister of State, Deputy Noonan, on the work he and his officials have done on the Bill. Throughout the House it is recognised that we have in the Minister of State with responsibility for heritage somebody who is deeply committed and has spent a lifetime trying to protect heritage, cultural heritage and nature. He is now doing this throughout the country in his role as Minister of State and did so previously in his role on Kilkenny County Council where he was Cathaoirleach for a spell and served a long time as a member.

Kilkenny is a good example of city that recognises and promotes the historical and cultural attributes that attract people through tourism to those towns. The people who live there also feel this because attachment to our culture, heritage and history and to where we have come from is inherently deep within us. We see the markers along the road in standing stones, cairns and dolmens. We do not know much about them but they are the scattered mile posts of our history and heritage. What the Bill strives to do, which is quite important, is to bring together all of the registers we have. People have been working hard for years in an area that probably has not got the attention it deserved in trying to preserve and protect our cultural, archaeological and historical heritage.

The Minister of State, Deputy O'Donnell's home city of Limerick has no shortage of these attributes, as I noted on a visit quite recently. It is only right at this point to recognise the work done by the OPW on many of these sites. My county of Wicklow has no shortage of attractions. I see the work done by the OPW. It gets a lot of criticism for the work it does on river clearance but we will set that aside for the moment. It is very important to recognise that the restoration work it carries out is of the highest quality. One only has to walk around the Houses of the Oireachtas to see the work done by the OPW experts in restoration and refurbishment. Sometimes we are in such a hurry that we rush by and we do not notice these things. The same could be said of the wealth of archaeological and historical heritage. It is wealth and we have to see it as such. This is extremely valuable for our cultural heritage.

How do we encourage more people to be conscious of it, to protect it, be aware of it and value it? We need education. Sometimes saying that we need to educate people can sound a bit condescending. We need to inform people. We need to advertise these places. We need to explain what these artefacts that we see around the country mean, why they are there and what they meant at the time to the people who built them. We need to strike a balance in this. We do not want something to become so popular and so visited that we end up damaging the site. We need to respect these sites. Many of the sites are on private land and therefore access is slightly restricted. This gives a certain level of protection. It denies people access but it provides a certain level of protection. We need to strike a balance on this. I think it was Part 8 of the general scheme and I do not know what part it is in the Bill because I have not had a chance to go through it line by line but there is a capacity for research projects for educational purposes. This is incredibly important for us to do.

I spoke about County Wicklow. Somewhere that has always struck me is Glendalough. It is steeped in historical significance with St. Kevin's association with it. There are pilgrim walks there. I am conscious that in the planning Bill - and I know I am straying into other legislation but I ask the Minister of State to bear with me - we need to be careful that we do not restrict access. We need to be careful that we maintain rights of access and rights of way wherever possible. This is something I am looking at the planning Bill.

The pilgrim way I mentioned brings people up to St. Kevin's church in Hollywood. There has been some absolutely fantastic restoration work done there, supported by the Heritage Council. It has a key role to play in this. I was at the launch of its strategy recently at the Royal College of Physicians of Ireland, another striking building and a perfect place to launch the Heritage Council's strategy. If we go a little further west in Wicklow there are Baltinglass Hill and Kilranelagh. I was always aware of Baltinglass Hill from going through county development plans but not of Kilranelagh until recently. There was a planning application and I was approached by a number of people concerned about a wind development in Kilranelagh. At first I thought it was that people did not want the wind farm going in but I looked at it in detail. Work is being done at Baltinglass Hill following the discovery of a very significant hill fort complex in this part of west Wicklow. Much of it lay undiscovered for many years. I went down there and I have been educated by people in the area who live there and are aware of it and by archaeologists. It is an incredible complex. I invite the Minister of State and the Minister of State, Deputy Noonan, to come down at some point to visit it. It is probably on a par with anything we have in this country and I include the Hill of Tara. I would put it on a level with Stonehenge. It is a site that has lain undiscovered for so long. Lidar technology was employed there recently. This uses light technology and revealed many structures that had previously lain undiscovered. This is probably the most significant hill fort complex in the country. It is a great opportunity. We do not want it to be a massive tourist attraction but we do want people to be aware of it and respect it and know it is there. It could probably be part of a walking route along the lines of the south Leinster route. I hope to work with the Minister on trying to promote this and seeing how we can bring to fruition.

I should probably have covered some of what we had in the pre-legislative scrutiny but I got caught up. This is an area about which I feel very passionately. When chairing the committee sessions I got very caught up in the statements of the witnesses and the knowledge they brought and the passion they have for it. Many of us feel this. When we get an understanding and we have exposure to it, it is deeply important to us. I am very happy that legislation has been brought forward to protect, preserve and look after valuable heritage.

There will be a considerable amount of agreement on what we have lost in monuments and heritage sites over many years. There will be a certain element of welcome for the Bill to ensure we have our protective tools in place. There is still room for improvement. I do not think it will come as a shock that I will mention Wood Quay given that my colleagues and others have raised this travesty. We are still looking at the Moore Street battlefield site becoming a possible travesty. We have partial protection of certain parts of it but not its entirety. We have to take into account the wider context of an area with regard to safety and security.

People have spoken about progress in regard to the loss of Wood Quay and other sites which was tantamount to vandalism of historic proportions. There have been major failures and we have to look at them. We like the idea of buildings and monuments. We reference part of them but we need to be far more specific about their surroundings and their context. I put it to fore that we owe it to ourselves, rather than the developer Hamerson and another shopping centre, with regard to securing the Moore Street site in particular. We all know the disaster that was the destruction of The O'Rahilly's home. None of this makes any sense. The problem is that we always deal with it afterwards. We have an opportunity and we need the Government to be a hell of a lot braver than it has been to date.

If we are speaking about prescribing monuments, we need to involve others. There has to be a role for elected representatives. In fairness, Dublin City Council has been to the fore and has probably been in the right space if we are speaking about some of Moore Street and particularly The O'Rahilly's home. The fact is that we have had not had protections. We have had failure across the board.

We all know we need progress. The Minister, Deputy Darragh O'Brien, visited my home town of Dundalk in regard to necessary works, so we will have housing in Mount Avenue, but I know there are issues in regard to a certain archaeological site and a standing stone there. We need those protections, we need a streamlined system and we need it to happen as soon as possible.

I have run out of speaking time so I cannot mention the glories of the Boyne Valley and Carlingford Castle. I cannot mention the fact that I think Ireland's Ancient East needs to travel into Down and Armagh if we are going to sell a complete package into the future.

Notwithstanding that, you managed to mention them all. I call Deputy Boyd Barrett.

On the face of it, this Bill to protect our historic and archaeological heritage is a very good and welcome thing. Looking at the size of the Bill, some officials deserve thanks for putting it together and it is clear a lot of work has gone into it. I am not going to pretend at this stage, given we are only a few Deputies trying to cover all of the bases, that I have read all of it, but I am going to try as best I can to get on top of it. It is incredibly important to do everything we can to protect our historic, cultural and archaeological heritage.

The general objectives of the Bill, as I understand it, seem reasonable, for example, to streamline the way in which we register monuments, collate all of the legislative protections in one Bill and align ourselves with the various international conventions on protecting culture, archaeology, heritage and so on. All of those things seem like a very good idea.

To be honest, I have not had time to think about where we have failed. One case that strikes me at a local level is the Carlisle Pier in Dún Laoghaire. I think it was an outrageous act of vandalism to allow the ferry terminal there at a location which was one of the main exit points for the Irish diaspora and to allow the pier to be torn down. Many people may not know it, but the oldest suburban railway in the world is the railway between Dublin city centre and Dún Laoghaire, which used to be called Kingstown. It terminated at the Carlisle Pier, bringing people to the mail boat, as it was, or the ferry. Huge numbers of our diaspora, people who were forced out of this country, were on that railway and left on that ferry. The fact it was torn down is shocking, to my mind. I do not know if it was on any register or how it was protected, but it was not protected.

Of course, I am familiar with the battle around Moore Street and I have engaged with that group on a number of occasions. Given the idea that a flipping shopping centre is going to impact a site of that historic importance, where the rebels of 1916 escaped after they left the GPO, and that there should be any question of what takes priority - the interests of a property developer to build a shopping centre or the preservation of a battle site of the revolution that helped found this State - I find it quite extraordinary that we are in that situation.

There is a huge imperative for us to genuinely protect our very rich historical, archaeological and cultural heritage. Generally speaking, we have not done that and, in fact, many people are not aware of just how rich the heritage may be in their own area. I am a student of English literature and one of the things I often think about is how many locations are associated with really extraordinary writers and talents that this country has produced but who are not fully celebrated. People are not even aware, in some cases, of the fact they are Irish, despite being great writers and names of importance on an international scale in writing and literature. We do not fully celebrate those things and the sites where they may have lived or worked, and so on, and certainly do not take advantage of them.

I am very conscious of Deputy Matthews's point that we have to be very careful with this stuff as well. On the one hand, we want the public to have access to important monuments and sites of cultural and archaeological heritage but, on the other hand, we do not want to turn them into Disneyland and ruin them by having completely unrestricted access in a way that can damage them. There is a balance to be struck. These are very sensitive matters and I think we have failed in many respects.

I can think of one example not too far from here, off Grafton Street. People may have noticed a big, new, fancy, modern-looking building where there used to be more traditional architecture, probably Victorian or Edwardian, just off the top of Grafton Street. While I do not want to be too insulting to the architects, it was a very nice street and now there is this big, symmetrical, square, modern-looking building. Frankly, I think it has significantly damaged one of the nicest streets in a very important area off Grafton Street. That sort of stuff goes on and we do not know about it until it is too late and the damage is done.

All of that is the long way round to saying that what this Bill is trying to do is important. I bow to the experts who have been following this in great detail. A number of concerns have been expressed about the Bill and they seem to me very reasonable concerns. I have not yet heard what the Minister’s responses are to these criticisms, but the central one seems to be that all of the power is going to be vested in the hands of the Minister in terms of the ability to deregister monuments and to make decisions which could open the way for or allow destruction, demolition or activities that could potentially damage sites of archaeological, historical or cultural importance. All the Bill requires is that the Minister, if I have the phraseology right, “may” consult the Heritage Council. A lot of power is vested in the Minister and the people who are charged with the protection of our heritage do not really have any significant say and can be ignored. In any event, the Heritage Council is not properly equipped or staffed with the experts - the historians, archaeologists and other specialists - who will be required to make the decision where we have contentious decisions about whether monuments are registered or deregistered, whether they should have protection or whether it is legitimate to allow those things to be damaged, destroyed or demolished.

That is not good enough. Ministers and Governments come under pressure from developers, as we know. We had a long and not very noble history in this country of developers dictating things in a way that damages the common good and the common interest. The idea that we would jeopardise our history, culture and archaeological heritage by vesting powers in a Minister who may be subject to influence by profit-driven developers is not acceptable.

We need safeguards. We must have a body comprised of experts with real knowledge of history, archaeology and culture who can make objective, knowledgeable and detailed assessments of the real value to society, our culture and our people of these sites. I do not pretend to be an expert on this but those who are more knowledgeable than me are calling for a fully independent, national monuments advisory council that has statutory teeth. It must have the power to genuinely protect our archaeological, cultural and historic heritage and must be properly staffed with experts in order that it is able to discharge that responsibility. Some experts are expressing concerns about the Bill because it fails to do the aforementioned. They argue that there is active resistance, which they cannot really explain, to setting up such a body even though it was originally required under the National Monuments Act as passed in 1930. That Act required the setting up of such a body so it would seem that in the early days of this State, there was an awareness among Governments and politicians of the day that our culture, archaeology and history were important and rightly so. One would expect that, particularly in a country that established itself in a fight against a colonial power that tried to systematically destroy our history. That is what British colonialism did; it tried to systematically destroy our history, identity and culture. The founders of this State made some mistakes, in my opinion, particularly because of their attitude to some of the architecture that was left here by the colonial power, much of it built by Irish workers. In fact, a lot of the stuff that was built in Britain was also built by Irish workers. There was something of a cultural-vandal approach taken by the early State to some of the Georgian, Victorian and Edwardian architecture but nonetheless, despite significant mistakes, there was a recognition, through the National Monuments Act 1930, that there should be a body of experts with oversight and power to protect our heritage, culture and history. I am interested to hear what the Minister of State has to say about this. The criticism, which seems valid, is that the Government is resisting that. Critics argue that it is precisely the same sort of resistance that was put up to the establishment of the Environmental Protection Agency, EPA. Most people would now accept that the EPA is a good thing. Its job is to oversee our environment and make sure that it is adequately protected. Surely it is reasonable to ask that there would also be a body with teeth, expertise and resources to adequately protect our extremely rich archaeological and cultural heritage.

The last point I would make is a bit of a tangent but I will throw it into the debate anyway as I have a few minutes left.

It is not the only time in this debate-----

Well, if one has the time, one might as well use it.

One of the newer areas of cultural output is film. The Committee on Budgetary Oversight, which is looking into the section 481 film credit, heard testimony from actors and performers about their lack of rights over their work, the performance that they put into what becomes part of our cultural heritage.

Is this something that is going to be put into Bill?

Is this something that is relevant to the Bill or that the Deputy is suggesting might be put into it?

It is relevant because the Bill refers to mobile heritage, as far as I know. This is not just about physical landscapes and sites. It could be argued that our cinematic heritage and more recent cultural heritage deserves protection as well, where it is important. I do not know if that means we have to protect the site where "Game of Thrones" was filmed. That could be the subject of a discussion.

What about "Ryan's Daughter"?

Or "The Quiet Man".

Yes, "The Quiet Man" or "Darby O'Gill and the Little People".

In all seriousness, a point I did not know until the performers made it at the committee, is that when movies are made, often by international film production companies in conjunction with companies based here, performers are required to sign buy-out contracts on their copyright or their intellectual property rights on their performances. Obviously that is very unfair on the artists and performers because they do not benefit from the success or further distribution of films that were funded with public money. The reason we give public money to film productions and are allowed to do so by the EU, even though it is a form of state aid, is because it contributes to Irish culture and benefits the workers. These are the conditions for the funding. It has to create an industry. Yet, the situation is that on almost all film productions in this country, the performers, artists, writers, directors and so on are required to sign away their intellectual property rights to the cultural artefact to which they contributed. Consequently, the State is also losing out. It has financed the film, which is now a cultural artefact but it has no ownership over it and does not benefit from what happens to it. It is now owned by Netflix, MGM or some other company and that is problematic. I am just throwing that into the debate, although it is a bit of a tangent. Films are real cultural artefacts and arguably, they are one of the biggest forms of cultural production today. As they are of great importance to people, we should think about this with an open mind. We must ask what exactly represents our cultural heritage. It is not just physical sites, buildings, landscapes and so on. It is also things that artists and performers produce, which are cultural artefacts of our society. I will leave it at that.

I welcome the opportunity to speak on the Historic and Archaeological Heritage Bill 2023. I welcome the Bill because it is hugely important that we preserve our historic and archaeological monuments. The legislation makes it compulsory for the State to tighten the laws and regulations to make sure that our historical artefacts and buildings are protected for future generations.

I want to speak about the courthouse in Kanturk, which has not been used as a courthouse since 2010. I sit on a local committee and we have done a lot of work over the last two years to try to preserve it. It is a fascinating building. We have a very good, energetic committee that has done an awful lot of research over the past two years but unfortunately, the sad fact is that the building and the history therein is decaying before our eyes. It was built in the early 1820s.

It was designed by the Pain Brothers. It is the only completely intact building designed by them on the island of Ireland and in Scotland, Wales and England. It has huge historical significance. Day-to-day court cases are heard there but also such people as Daniel O'Connell addressed meetings there as did John Twiss who was recently pardoned by Uachtarán na hÉireann. Throughout the past 200 years a raft of history took place there and needs to be protected. It is also a fine building.

The Bridewell Jail at the side of it is of huge significance also. There is graffiti going back to the time of the War of Independence and the Civil War. That is in danger of decaying before our eyes. I have seen the building many times over the past year or so and it certainly has decayed. Here we are talking about putting legislation before the Dáil and the Seanad and onto the Statute books to protect our history. There was a question-mark about the ownership of this building, as with many of the buildings that were given back 200 years ago by the landlord but were never registered by the State. It was signed and certified only as late as 2004 by the then Minister, Michael McDowell. It is owned by the State, by the Courts Service. I pay tribute to the Courts Service because it put tarpaulin on the Bridewell and tried to preserve it. A major piece of work needs to be done. We are looking at a building in State ownership which is decaying before our eyes. We are talking about bringing in this legislation, the spirit of which would be to ensure that individuals, companies or developers will not bulldoze our heritage and architecture. Yet, here we have a building in State ownership with huge history involved in it. The committee that looked at it gathered details of a wealth of history and many people who attended it. Each time they visit further documentation is brought to light. It was also the seat of justice within the Duhallow region. That in itself has a huge amount of history.

We engaged with Cork County Council which met us onsite a week or two ago. The heritage officer has looked at it. Everybody who comes to our building says it is hugely important. The reality is it will take a huge amount of money to preserve it. However, if we do not preserve it in the short term, the graffiti there that was signed by people who founded this State, that was mentioned in other speeches, during the War of Independence and the Civil War, will be lost. There are fantastic drawings of the battleships of the British Empire back in the Great War of 1914-1918. We put it on Facebook. We took shots of the writing. People as far away as America traced their ancestors to it. It was hugely important to them.

The building is owned by the Courts Service. It was signed into ownership by the State in 2004, almost 180 years after it was built. The point I am making is, there is a trajectory of funding that has to be done but there is an immediacy about what we are trying to do in order to preserve what we have. There is a bigger plan but what is in danger of being lost before our eyes is the graffiti and the drawings that are there since the War of Independence and the Civil War. We got commentary on RTÉ about the shame it would be to lose that. It would be a shame. I have to put my hand on my heart and say, I saw it a number of years ago and I see it now. It pains me to see that it is actually decaying before our eyes. As I understand it the only other graffiti that survived from the War of Independence and the Civil War is in Kilmainham Gaol and in the Women’s Jail in Cork. It might be a bit ad lib for me to say that if it was in Dublin it would be preserved but here we have it, in the heart of Duhallow in Kanturk, of fantastic historical significance for future generations and it needs to be preserved. The bigger job of turning the courthouse into a museum or an economics or historical centre is for later. The immediacy is to preserve what we have. I ask the Minister of State to take it back, in the context of this Bill. I have studied the Bill and looked at it going through. The Bill will compel people to ensure that historical artefacts are kept. However, we have this in State ownership and it is dying before our eyes.

I welcome the opportunity to speak on this Bill. The Bill provides a new framework to modernise and bolster the law that provides for the protection of our archeological and related heritage. There is much work to be done on the Bill but it is an important piece of work.

In County Meath we have many archeological sites. In my own constituency of Meath East we have the High Cross of Kells, Knowth, Dowth, Newgrange and the historic site of Slane Castle. I will focus my comments on the Hill of Tara. I live in Tara. The Hill of Tara is an absolutely precious piece of heritage. It is unique in that it is a living monument. It is not paused in time. It is openly accessible. People use it every day, morning, noon and night. It is a popular attraction. In 2021 during Covid-19 there were more than 182,782 visitors to the site. However, it needs massive attention. On 29 June last year our local newspaper had an article headlined “The Hill of Tara: A Disgrace”, pointing to the dilapidated state of much of the infrastructure, particularly in regard to the works by the OPW around the graveyard wall which has been ongoing for almost a decade at this stage. We now have a long-awaited conservation management plan that has a number of important objectives which need significant cross-agency effort and energy. I support the plan. I have concerns that those agencies, ranging from the local authority to the OPW and many others, will not deliver on that plan. It is important that they do. Importantly, there is a need to expand on objective 3 which is to manage and enhance the visitor experience at the Hill of Tara. There needs to be a number of actions to ensure that not just within the State-owned lands but also the surrounding area, that the facility and accommodation is improved for visitors to this uniquely spectacular site.

My colleague, Deputy Tóibín may or may not be here. If he is not, I will not take the full allocation of time.

This is an important Bill that is being discussed in regard to the preservation of our national monuments which are singularly involved with our ideas of culture and heritage. Apart from the idea of identity, of understanding who we were and who we are and maybe who we will be in the future they point to the ambitions that have been arrived at in this country over nearly 2,000 years. They are very important to the idea of Ireland in the future in terms of tourism and the economic perspective also.

We have a unique offering that is unlike anything else in the western world, in the sense of having a history that goes back almost 5,000 years. It is therefore important we keep an updated register and programme on dilapidation and understand how we are supporting these monuments.

I will speak about Waterford for a moment. We have five individual museum experiences that are all built around the historical narrative from the Bronze Age to the Vikings to the Normans and right up to date. I pay special tribute to our museum curator, Eamonn McEneaney, who retires this year after nearly 35 years of diligent service not only to Waterford and the south east but also to the national archive and record. I worry about who is going to lift the mantle after he goes because he has been an incredible servant in the context of the preservation of the records of Ireland and our native history.

We have a Viking experience in Waterford. It shows how technology can be integrated to interpret the monuments of the past. We have a 3D hologram and virtual reality programme that is very successful. It is done in conjunction with support from the South East Technological University. That is the way history must be explained to the next generations for them to glimpse what it would have been like to be living in a Viking house or tower maybe 1,000 years ago. It is something I would like to see being rolled out in other areas. It is the best way to make the historical record contemporary. With regard to the Viking experience to which I refer, and as Mr. McEneaney knows well, we have a site that has not been looked at or surveyed in any great detail in Waterford. It came up at the time of the motorway expansion. A large number of artefacts were taken from it. There remains great positivity around that site and there was some discussion of bringing in researchers who are well aware of the Viking experience to come and see. This settlement is potentially the oldest of its kind in the world outside Scandinavia. We should try to propel that as there is a great amount of learning to be had from it.

Waterford is replete with historic monuments and I worry about how many of them are actually on the record of monuments. In my parish, we have two dolmens, namely, those at Knockeen and Gallstown. If I travel to west Waterford, I can visit Ardmore castle. My parish, Butlerstown, has Butlerstown Castle, which is one of the finest tower castles and dates back to Norman times. To my knowledge, the OPW has done no work on that castle in 40 years. The only work that has been done was by the owner of the land on which it sits. He has tried to keep that castle in some way right. I made inquiries of the local authority in the past year about trying to get some remediation work done on it. There is ivy and other plant life growing out of the walls. Straight away one understands the problems of regulation. We could bring in a SOLAS or local employment scheme group in to point the walls, but they are not allowed do it as they must be certified to work on monuments. In order to do that, a study must be done on the monument and then the funding must be secured. That is not easy because it is through the local authority and it really only has funding to do two or three schemes a year. This leaves us in the position of the landowner trying to maintain the site, which is one of the finest examples of a tower castle in the country, outside Bunratty. He has already poured money into it. There must be a way to satisfy the two demands. What happens when a landowner does not want to open a site to the public 365 days a year, but there is a need for it to be properly preserved for the national record? I ask the Minister of State to ask his officials what can be done to expedite that requirement. As I said, Butlerstown is one of the finest examples of a Norman tower castle anywhere in the country.

Waterford is the oldest city in the country. It was originally a Viking settlement and later became a walled city under the Normans. We have had initiatives in the city where people have tried to engage in commercial development. Where that impinged on the local walls, it ran into trouble with the heritage officer. Subsequently, commercial development was brought to a halt. We must find a balance between trying to retain what we have in our monuments and history and having that live side-by-side with our contemporary economy.

The regulation and reservation seem to be a problem. On the national monuments, how many Norman settlements are registered around the country, and especially around the south east? I am thinking of two tower castles, one of which is in Grannagh, County Kilkenny, and the other near Kilsheelan, by Clonmel. It is beside the Dove Hill Design Centre. I passed that tower castle for 30 or 40 years. Ivy is growing out 60 ft from the ground and the walls are crumbling. To be fair to the landowner, he has probably sectioned it off because it is unsafe to visit. It is just being allowed become dilapidated. Once these structures are gone, they are not coming back. Making them new is not an option. People want to see the history of what was there. I ask that we find some way of collating these buildings and prioritising them for some remediation. We must prevent water ingress and stop ivy growing out through the walls.

State funding is an issue, and so is education. How do we make this history we have, which many of us grew up with, germane to this generation who are captivated by modern technology and TikTok videos of what is going on in the rest of the world? Maybe the historical narrative is not something they are that concerned with now, but it will be in time. The question is how to make it real and we can do that, but we need to have education pointing in this direction, especially in our national and secondary schools. I am sure we all went through the challenges of Ferdia, Gráinne, Cú Chulainn and all that. I do not know how much of that is taught in the modern syllabus. It is a pity because while it speaks to an Ireland long ago, it is still to be seen in our public realm.

I am certain the Minister of State will be aware of the old agricultural phenomenon of the lios field. The lios field was often a fairy fort. One sees them in parts of the country where the farmers who were sent to them refused to bulldoze them. The old farmers would tell you that you would get bad luck for taking out the fairy fort and to not go inside and sleep in it, because the fairies would take you away. That is what I was told when I was a child. Those fields are still there, but there is no support for farmers or anybody else in respect of them. They must cultivate the land outside them. They are given nothing for the fact there may be a half acre of land they could do something with. More importantly, they must be collated in the record because they are such an important part of our rural landscape. The same goes for Ogham stones and dolmens. As I said, there are two dolmens very close to where I live. One is in an excellent state or repair and the other not so much. Again, these artefacts are becoming difficult for people to visit because landowners have had, for their own reasons, to stake off the lands and try to restrict access because people were going up and littering, having bonfires and parties and all the rest of it. We need to find some way to protect all of that to which I refer.

The most important thing we need is an up-to-date record of the significant monuments. I am sure it does not reflect the full historical value of what we have in any county. We then need a programme to try to identify those that are most seriously in need of remediation. We can do that. I am not sure we need people who are qualified archaeological stonemasons to try to support some of these structures. If we are waiting for all that, they will have fallen down by the time we get to that point. I ask that we look at some of the regulation around this. There is a rich and diverse history here that must be maintained for the people. It must be accessible. Whatever the Bill does in terms of giving the Minister oversight of projects that are included or excluded, we should keep the historical record alive. Long after we are gone, the coming generations will see the value of this in far greater detail than we do.

Cuirim fáilte roimh an díospóireacht ar an mBille seo, Bille na hOidhreachta, Stairiúla agus Seandálaíochta 2023, atá os ár gcomhair. I find myself in the somewhat unusual position of agreeing with a Green Party Minister. That is particularly the case having reviewed what the Minister of State, Deputy Noonan, said about the Bill in the Seanad.

During the Minister of State's contribution, it was noted clearly that:

Irish heritage is the foundation stone of our society... At a national level, it is a source of great pride and confers on us a sense of togetherness. In many ways, our heritage unites us and helps foster a sense of an Irish kinship. At a local level [the Minister of State noted], perhaps the most important level of all, our heritage has created and maintained entire communities and it can provide individuals with a powerful feeling of belonging.

Who could disagree with any of that? I certainly do not.

I have concerns, however, that other Government priorities may clash with the noble desire of protecting our built archaeological heritage. I made this clear in a speech some time ago, as did many other people in my constituency who joined together to make 2,500 submissions to Offaly County Council as part of the public consultation process on the draft Offaly county development plan. We were seeking to remove Lemanaghan bog, near Ballycumber, County Offaly, as an area open to consideration for wind energy. This followed plans by Bord na Móna to construct a major wind farm project there and people were horrified, shocked and totally opposed to the idea. The submission I made on this matter was co-signed by my colleague, Deputy Mattie McGrath, and I thank him for his help with the submission. It was clear from the outset that there was an overwhelming level of public opposition to any proposed wind farm, especially given the heightened archaeological and historical value attached to the Lemanaghan bog site. It demonstrated the depth of the Offaly public's commitment to preserving our rich local history. Lemanaghan bog is quite unique because it is rich in monastic history, which should be preserved and I was privileged to attend the launch of a book on St. Manchan's Shrine, which is associated with this area. It seems to be reckless for Bord na Móna or any such company to try to get planning to put a wind farm in that area and I hope that sense will prevail on this issue.

I sincerely hope that, given the scale of the opposition, Lemanaghan bog will be removed from the relevant zoning category and that it will be preserved for the benefit of generations to come. I know there are many good things happening our there and there are many tours to Lemanaghan bog. We have many researchers and we have had archaeologists out to the site as well, so it is a site that is worthy of preservation. These sites should be respected and they are of immense national value. I would urge all concerned to give support to this and to make sure Lemanaghan bog is preserved and protected. No wind farm could possibly compensate for the archaeological damage that would be incurred if the proposal were to go ahead. It would be tantamount to cultural and historical vandalism for that to happen and that is why any attempt to put a wind farm on an area that is rich in monastic history should be opposed and resisted.

I too am delighted to be able to speak on this important Bill. I wish the Minister of State well with it and there is a huge job of work to be done. The Historical and Archaeological Heritage Bill 2023 will replace the National Monuments Act 1930, and subsequent amending Acts. The Minister of State at the Department of Housing, Local Government and Heritage with responsibility for heritage and electoral reform, Deputy Noonan, described the publication of this Bill as "a major milestone in making Ireland's historic heritage protections fit for the 21st Century." He added: "The work involved in revising and updating the 1930 Act has been substantial". The Bill proposes that a civil enforcement system be used as an alternative to, or to supplement, criminal proceedings.

I spoke to the Minister of State, Deputy Noonan, about Knocklofty House Hotel in the past. It is a wonderful period mansion that was owned by the late Lord Donoughmore and the Donoughmore family. I mention the time of the atrocities of the War of Independence and the Black and Tans. I will not do like President Biden, when he mentioned the rugby players and he came up with the Black and Tans. I am talking about the real people who fought the Black and Tans and my late father was one of them. Lord Donoughmore allowed them to dwell-----

We all had a couple of them.

He allowed the Irish Republican Army to dwell in his orchard and sleep in the outhouses of Knocklofty House. He has gone to his eternal reward since and he was kidnapped in 1974 by a newer version of the republican movement but he was quickly released when the older people of my father's generation put pressure on, because he was a good man. He went to the House of Lords and spoke out against the atrocities the Black and Tans were carrying out against the Irish people. That is why his house was spared and untouched, until recent times when a cowboy bought it or got it, and by his own admission he paid one third of the price for it. It fell into disrepair even though it is a protected building and I have raised this countless times here and colleagues have raised it in the Seanad. A small grant was given by the Department of Housing, Local Government and Heritage but the amount given would not have put shutters on the windows. There are 365 windows on it, and one window added for a leap year. There are great stories about Labhraid Loingseach and bhí cluasa capaill ag Labhraid Loingseach and the horse's ears and God knows what. Thankfully it is in receivership now and the last owner has finally been ousted. The house is wrecked. It was a wonderful hotel and I had people who wanted to make it into a nursing home but the planners did not want anything to do with it. It would have been a noble and majestic nursing home over the River Suir.

The last Act was not fit for purpose and this Bill will not be fit for purpose either because we have a lot of rich heritage to protect and secure. Deputy Shanahan is gone now but we straddle parish and county boundaries. He talked about some areas in the Déise and there are many fine period houses in the Déise that were untouched during the War of Independence because the lads from the Déise were not too proud of their Irish flag and they sat down and left the lords alone so they are still there. However, in south Tipperary every one of them was burned out, and for good reason. It was done to free our people of the oppressors we had. We had a great house in Newcastle which my father was asked about by Donncha Ó Dúlaing - Lord have mercy on him freisin - on a live programme one day. He asked my father who burned down the house - it was burned down in 1921 - and he said that they burned it. Donncha could not follow it up with another question and he said my father was the first man who ever admitted to a crime but it was not a crime. That was a noble job of patriotism and they had to get rid of Captain Perry and his people out of south Tipperary. However, that house has been demolished in recent years and it is a pity; is mór an trua é sin.

With the permission of the Ceann Comhairle, I will move on to the great IRA Chief of Staff, General Liam Lynch, whose lapel badge I wear and who was mortally wounded in the Civil War on the slopes of Crohan Mountain on 10 April 1923. The Civil War was to end some days later. He was making his way to a meeting in Araglin having left the Nire a few days beforehand, where he had been for a meeting. The war possibly would have ended there anyway because there was fatigue and they were outnumbered and there were lots of things that had happened.

We commemorate him every year since then and there was a committee of 12 people set up at that time. Tom Carrigan was chairman and the secretary was Hackett, whose first name eludes me. The joint treasurers were one Séamus MacCraith, m'athair, and Maurice O'Gorman. They set about building a noble round tower and I want to issue the Ceann Comhairle with an invitation to come and see it some time. It stands 60 ft tall and there is an Irish wolfhound on each of its four plinths, guarding it. The members of the committee had no money but they had spirit. My Dad happened to be clerk of works to it and the architect was a Mr. Doyle. They dug the foundations and they did it with their sweat, tears, blood and hands with ropes, pulleys, picks and shovels. They had no cranes or anything and it was done on the side of the mountain about 12 ft or 15 ft from the spot where Liam Lynch died, where they levelled out a place to build it. It is there now and it has been maintained and looked after ever since. Unfortunately some groups are trying to claim that they own this monument. There were 12 people on that committee and the local men of Newcastle, Ardfinnan, Ballybacon and Grange built and maintained it, along with some people from Port Láirge.

In 1995, an all-party group came together. I was a proud member of that. We put on the wolfhounds because those who put up the monument ran out of money. The commemoration committee in Newcastle has letters. I salute that committee for the way it celebrated the 100th century. We had 26 members of Liam Lynch's family with us at the mass this year. We had a whole weekend of events. It turned out spectacularly. It was a fitting tribute to that local hero. As I said during last night's debate on the Agricultural and Food Supply Chain Bill 2022, Lynch wanted to marry his fiancée, Bridie, and go back to his farm in County Limerick but fate decided otherwise and he made the ultimate sacrifice.

Monuments like that need to be protected. We erected a sign for the weekend and it disappeared. There are groups that think they own the tricolour, the flag. They also want to claim they own monuments, commemorations and the dead in an effort to get into power themselves. However, the ancestors of the people who built that monument are looking after and preserving it and will continue to do so. We will not be intimidated, hunted off that mountain or have the honourable celebration of Lynch's ultimate sacrifice besmirched or in any way tainted.

Last Sunday, we celebrated the 175th anniversary of the Model School in Clonmel. It was a wonderful celebration of a lovely building, beautifully restored by the board of works. Some board of works people asked me about a matter and I might as well raise it here. The test centre in Clonmel was based in that building for decades. I did my test from there. Covid was seen as a great excuse to run the centre out of there and to move it into a hotel. People are turning up for the tests at the Clonmel Park Hotel, now the Talbot Hotel, and cannot find the centre and so miss their test. That building is empty. Why does the testing service not go back there? Why is the Department of Transport renting space in a hotel? The service should go back to support that building. It is a lovely wonderful school building, established by the Protestant denomination although many people of all faiths went there. It has a wonderful rich heritage and I salute the principal, the board of management and everybody involved with that celebration. As the Minister of State will know, there were model schools all over England and Northern Ireland. They were grammar schools and so on. They had lovely beautiful architecture.

To get back to the monument, there should be some latitude for the likes of a board of works to take over ownership, although not to have them all walled in and locked. We have the Main Guard in Clonmel, the wonderful Swiss Cottage in Cahir, the Rock of Castle, Cahir Castle, the Butler castles in Kilsheelan, Carrick-on-Suir and all the way up in Thurles, Farney Castle, which is in private ownership and being looked after, Nenagh Castle and other sites all over Tipperary. We have a very rich heritage of replacing the regime of British tyranny and having things looked after by the Irish. The Main Guard was wonderfully restored but people cannot get access to it. They cannot get in to play music in front of it, to have a prayer meeting or to hold the many other events people want to hold there. It has been covered in a lovely way and the old design has been restored. We do not want it to be a place that is only open so many days of the year like the tourist office and Swiss Cottage. There should be some kind of hybrid ownership between a local committee and a body like the board of works. I do not have a model to propose but that should be explored. Latitude should be provided in this Bill to allow a situation like that to be explored to allow monuments to be preserved. I am proud to say that many of my family members, including my daughters, are involved with the committee and meet with administrators. However, these memories must be kept alive when they are gone. We cannot bring what is the finest monument in the country, this 60 ft round tower, with us.

The original group ran out of money. It got letters from America that came with one or two shillings or a tuppenny bit. Appeals went to America from the treasurers. These were carried in the New York papers and money came home from America to build this monument. I am talking about small donations. Donations came from some good Limerick men too. Con Scanlan, the creamery manager in Newcastle, was a Limerick man. The Minister of State might know his clann. Donations came from all over the country, when people did not have anything, to put that monument there. We made another appeal, raised £10,000 and put on the wolfhounds. Uinseann MacEoin was the architect that time. Pauline O'Connell was the wonderful sculptor. I collected the wolfhounds from her premises here in Dublin. The wolfhounds are bronze and were put on in 1996. It is finished. Wolfhounds were put on at the time of the official opening in 1935 but they were only made of sand and limestone, because the committee did not have the money, and were taken off when they got weather-beaten. We got the money some 60 years later and finished it, thank God. However, it must be protected, along with many other monuments.

Liam Lynch was taken down the mountain by the Free State soldiers. I compliment them as well. They made a stretcher out of their rifles and trench coats and carried him down the mountain in awful pain. They met a farmer with a jennet and a turf barrow with solid wheels. It was an uncomfortable ride but they brought him to Newcastle. He then lay in the pub in Newcastle. I compliment Rosaleen Nugent and David Condon for preserving the couch he lay on. As she said on a recent "Nationwide" programme, it is obviously 100 years old because his 100th anniversary was a month ago. However, the couch had probably been there for 50 years before that. She has preserved it as a miniature museum. People come from all over the world to see it. We put a plaque on the wall of the public house this year as part of the commemoration. I want to thank an Teachta Ó Cuív, who I thought would be here today, for travelling and giving an excellent oration on the day. I also thank the many thousands who came to the organised walks. We also had a bus tour. John Foley has made a film, "The Dying Days". It is a fabulous film recounting Liam Lynch's last movements and dying days in County Waterford and County Tipperary. Gerard Shannon has written a book which, as I have said, is flying off the shelves. It is a wonderful account. Only three books were ever written about Lynch, and only one in the past 20 years. The man has not got his rightful place in history as far as I am concerned. We want to enhance and nurture that history. The interest in it is amazing. We made a commemorative calendar and a memorabilia book. They have gone all over the world online. There is great interest. There is talk about reprints. The badges flew off the shelves. More will have to be made. There is a reawakening of interest among young people.

When I was going to school, there was no talk of recent history. I am sure it was the same for the Minister of State. We were not taught about it. We had history up until the Famine but little after that. It was hidden. I am glad that-----

We were taught it at home.

I got a phone call today about the upcoming event in the Garden of Remembrance organised by the Department of the Taoiseach to commemorate all of those people and families who lost their lives in the tragic Civil War. It is very important that we do that and that we come together for the 25th anniversary of the Good Friday Agreement. History evolves and moves on but, in ways, it never changes. There is a lot of unfinished business.

I hope the Bill will be flexible enough to embrace communities that have different monuments and memorials in places like Béal na mBláth and many other places all over the country, that do a lot of work to maintain them and that take pride in them. As I have said, they do not need to be taken over or hijacked by any outfits. We have a good and cherished history and we appreciate, nurture and salute it. We should be all be able to do that together on this shared island. What hope have we of maintaining the peace process or getting a 32-county Ireland if this happens to monuments on which the Third Tipperary Brigade Old IRA Commemoration Community, of which I was the public relations officer for decades, have done tremendous work? The late Carrie Acheson was the secretary. She died only a couple of months ago. There are monuments in all kinds of places where fatalities occurred and people lost their lives and some are being taken over by other organisations as if they were theirs. It is shocking. We need a protected list. We do not want to be too protective or prohibitive but we need a new model in these times so that we can have what we should have.

There are many other areas of archaeological interest in Tipperary. Someone mentioned the lioses. As far as I am concerned, it is sacrilege to knock a lios. I have heard about some people knocking them and not having a lot of luck thereafter. Some fine lioses are not protected but remain untouched. It is an excellent part of our heritage. We have all heard stories about the fairies. Perhaps there are a few around these buildings. They are everywhere. Lioses were protected, and their folklore and stories were handed down. What better way to learn our history that is handed down by tongue and in writing? We need to nurture our history, including recent history and not only what is way back in the past, and to protect our houses. We must get a reasonable fund to protect the lead in houses such as Knocklofty House. Water is pouring in and that house is being destroyed before our eyes. I thank the Ceann Comhairle for his indulgence and look forward to working with the Minister of State on this legislation.

Deputy Murnane O'Connor is sharing time with Deputy Leddin. Is she going to look after the fairy forts in Carlow?

Yes, I certainly am.

It is vital we protect and conserve our historic and archaeological heritage. I am a proud Carlow woman and come from a county that is rich in archaeological and historical heritage. We have the largest capstone in Europe, which is on a megalithic portal tomb, the Brownshill Dolmen, and which is where we got our name, the dolmen county. We also have sites such as St. Mullin's, Ballymoon Castle, Harristown Dolmen, and the Carlow walls. This is really important information. Carlow Castle served as the capital of the lordship of Ireland from 1361 until 1374. That is really important and is part of our heritage. Monuments and archaeological sites are among the most significant examples of our historic heritage. They are not only a window into the past but they are a keystone of our present tourism strategy. In Carlow, tourism plays a huge role. We are always promoting tourism in Carlow as it is so important. These are landmarks for future generations and we really want to preserve the past properly.

As currently drafted, the Bill provides for regulations that will set out classes of different structures and sites of archaeological interest. These will become known as "prescribed monuments". This approach will ensure newly-discovered archaeological sites are afforded immediate legal protection in a manner already provided for archaeological objects or historic wrecks, which are automatically protected without a need for formal designation or registration. However, it is important to ensure the regulations are not restricted solely to sites of archaeological interest, while continuing to ensure the provision is workable and reasonable by requiring that only categories appropriate to be prescribed monuments are included. That was something that was brought to my attention recently.

I also welcome the new statutory reporting scheme for finds of monuments. Where a person finds or believes they have found a prescribed monument, they will then have to make a report to the Minister or to a member of An Garda Síochána. We can then preserve that site properly. It is also important that registered monuments in the ownership of the Minister or a local authority are automatically subject to the higher level of legal protection and that there is a duty to maintain and facilitate access to national monuments. Of course, the OPW will be in charge.

I want to talk to the Minister of State about the fabulous courthouse in Carlow. At the moment, a very small part of the railings have been restored. I have tabled many parliamentary questions but I am not getting any information on when the rest of the railings will be restored. Some 50% or 60% of the railings have not been done and are in a bad state of repair. The railings that have been done are absolutely magnificent but we need to move on it. Is funding the biggest issue here?

I spoke about our dolmen earlier. I am sure Members are all aware of our Brownshill Dolmen. While there is access to it, there are no toilet facilities. We all want to make sure we preserve our heritage and everything we can as it is so important for future generations. If funding is not put into the historical projects that need to be done, there could be huge issues in the long term and we could end up not being able to have them as significant tourist attractions. When you are selling your county and are so proud of it, you have to make sure when you are promoting it, it is fully funded.

It gives me great pleasure to speak to a fellow Limerick man on a matter that I think is dear to both of us. I am very glad the Minister of State, Deputy O'Donnell, is standing in for the Minister of State, Deputy Noonan, although this is also very relevant to his brief. This summer, 332 years ago, the Wild Geese left these shores for France and further afield. They left after the Treaty of Limerick. I live a stone's throw from the treaty stone marking where some of the major battles of the two Sieges of Limerick of 1690 and 1691 happened. The Minister of State will be well aware of the efforts of Dr. Loïc Guyon, who is the Honorary Consul of France in Limerick. Through extraordinary research, he has, we believe, located the remains of Patrick Sarsfield, the national hero who led the army that defended this country. He was not defeated at Limerick. Limerick was the only city in the country that was not defeated by the Williamite army. After two sieges, the Treaty of Limerick was signed and that took its place in Irish history. Generations of school children in this country beyond Limerick have learned of the fascinating story of Sarsfield and his army. Of course, many of them went on to become leaders of the great European armies of the 18th century.

We believe Dr. Guyon's research has led to finding the location of the remains of Patrick Sarsfield. All going well, these remains will be repatriated to this country in the coming year or so. It is only fitting that these remains would be repatriated to Limerick. Sarsfield's dying words were to remember Limerick and I think it would be his wish that his final resting place would be in that place he was so proud to defend more than three centuries ago. Once brought back, the remains of Patrick Sarsfield will be a significant cultural artefact for this country and we must do everything we can to protect them and make sure they are appropriately placed in Limerick.

I ask the Minister of State, Deputy O'Donnell, and the Minister of State, Deputy Noonan, to work with the Belgian authorities to ensure this happens and that every support is given to Dr. Guyon and the broader team working on this very exciting project. Indeed, he might encourage the Minister of State, Deputy Noonan, to attend the event that will be hosted by the French Embassy on 11 May.

I thank the Minister of State for his presence. I have been listening carefully to this debate. It is one that interests me greatly and our heritage and historic infrastructure up and down the country is extremely important to me and, indeed, it is the bedrock of our story as a people. It offers a link to our past as to where we come from and, of course, we must improve how we preserve and protect such sites. Unfortunately, as with many countries that emerge from the control of another, we have lost vast amounts of our historic and archaeological heritage over the last 100 years or more. No more so than in this city our built heritage is just as important as our archaeological heritage and our older sites of interest up and down the country. I can think of a number of Members of these Houses whom I know have pushed hard back against the destruction of historic sites, including Senator Norris, to name but one. As somebody who was involved in the restoration of sites of historic buildings in a previous life, it has always been something in which I take particular pride, to think of the few properties with which I was involved with over the past 20 years that are still standing today and would probably have not been if it were not for the intervention of a few clients of mine at the time.

It is unfortunately all the more prevalent at the moment, particularly as we expand our cities and towns beyond their current borders, that we often neglect to recognise that our built heritage is part of us; it is part of our story. If we do not preserve and protect it as a State, it is lost forever. It is often the old things in a community that make it a nice place in which to build a house.

If we forget about these archaeological and historical properties or artefacts or both, we can, unfortunately, lose the very reason the community was first constructed.

Turning to the Bill itself, I commend the Minister of State on his significant work in this regard, and, of course, that of the joint committee. It spent quite some time deliberating on the draft form of this Bill. The protection of these sites in these areas is of national importance and it is the responsibility of our society and the Government to ensure their longevity. This is not only so that we might learn from them but in order that future generations can visit and understand the evolution of our society and take up the baton of responsibility for these same sites. Our physical, architectural, historical and archaeological sites bind our culture together and provide for the development of our national identity. In turn, this informs the values and ideas we as a society cherish the most. This is why I emphasise my own passion for historical buildings and the impact of losing them has a profound effect in respect of the loss of our identity, culture and history.

To those who say these buildings and artefacts are not our history, to the victor go the spoils. They are, therefore, very much ours. This heritage enhances our society and community. I think of the previous speaker's extraordinarily beautiful Georgian city, which would not be the same had it not been for the influence of our friends across the water. It is a beautiful city in places, but horribly neglected in others, much like every other city. There are, though, places where it is particularly pleasing. This is why the protection of heritage and history is so important.

The introduction of an electronic database, as provided for under the new register of monuments, which will allow the public to learn, study and visit any of the sites of historical importance in Ireland, is welcome. Indeed, this uniform approach will have a very positive impact on the number of people who will engage with the database. So much of our heritage is before us and, unfortunately, we do not know it is there. It is tremendous to see more and more sites becoming known to the public through plaques or even places to pull in on our national routes to allow people to take them in.

There are so many places that have been lost to history, like in my community. I live on a hill in Malahide, overlooking Lambay Island, which, of course, although the precise year is disputed, was where we understand the Vikings first landed. An archaeological assessment was completed on the hill where I live in the mid-1990s. Vast quantities of pottery and other items were found going back hundreds of years, if not over a thousand years. I cannot imagine that any of them have been recorded. I certainly know that the generation following mine has no idea of what is there, unless they are students of history. Things like this are important. As I said already, they also go to the very foundation of our being and why certain communities were developed in the first place.

Am I sharing my time?

You are. There is not much left to share now, but anyway.

Okay. I was not aware of that. To conclude, this Bill will allow the State to take ownership of archaeological items with no known owner and this is important. I echo the call made regarding the need for a dedicated unit to be created in An Bord Pleanála that would work to ensure that our cultural, historical and archaeological sites will be treated as such and their significance protected during any future planning or construction projects. I certainly commend the Bill to the House and I thank the Minister of State for his time.

I thank the Deputy. I propose that Deputies Durkan and Ó Cathasaigh share time and divide the remaining ten minutes equally. Is that okay?

Yes. In any case, I was lost in a reverie of looking out in my mind's eye from a hill in Malahide across Lambay Island-----

It is a lovely view.

I am sure it is. I thank Deputy Alan Farrell. For many of us, where we come from has been stitched into us, even from the perspective of placenames. I am from Butlerstown. It is no great surprise that Butlerstown Castle is one of the heritage sites that would sit in my mind's eye. Knockeen Dolmen is less than a mile from my house. Going there, it is not possible to escape a realisation of being in a landscape that has had humans in it for 5,000 years and more. Where I am living now, the probably more prosaically named trá mór, is the big beach. At the end of the big beach, though, we have our sand hills. In among them is a shell midden dating back to Mesolithic times, before people even knew how to farm on this island. It is quite humbling to see that shell midden there and realise we are part of a history that has been unfolding on this island over the course of 10,000 years. Much like Deputy Alan Farrell looking out over Lambay Island, when I look over the back of Tramore Bay, I think about the lives people lived at that time in the past and the landscape they inhabited.

This legislation is significant. I commend the Minister of State, the other Ministers of State and the Minister in his Department, and the team of civil servants. It has been ten years in the making. In some sense, indeed, it has been over a century in the making. It is an historical artefact in itself, or at least seeking to update many pieces of heritage legislation, which are coming together in this Bill. There is much here that I welcome. The record of prescribed monuments is important. As I referred to, I am from Tramore, which is sometimes known as "the bay of wrecks". Having the record of shipwrecks in this context is important as well. This is an important part of our heritage. These wrecks may not be as readily accessed or viewed in the same way as other parts of our built heritage, but this aspect is equally important in many ways. Having this facility to allow the OPW to engage in the interpretation of its heritage sites is also very welcome.

To talk more broadly about this Government's commitment in the area of heritage, small little pots of money have been created in this regard. When I say "small pots", they are not inconsiderable either. Regarding the National Monuments Service, there has been a 300% increase in that funding stream since 2020. The community monuments fund is a new one, but it is now going to back 140 projects across the country to the tune of €8 million. This might not be one of these large-scale infrastructural projects we all like to turn up to in the hi-vis vests and the hard hats, but this fund does provide the €10,000 that will stop the church roof leaking, or the €15,000 allowing the restoration of whatever it might, perhaps the local statue. This is the type of money spent wisely in communities. It keeps heritage skills alive. This might be rethatching a roof. If we do not pay to have thatchers, then we will lose that skill and no longer have thatchers, no matter how much money we decide to throw at it. This fund preserves this craft base and keeps these traditional skill sets alive. It is also money that is generally spent within the community. These might, then, be small pots of money, but this is money that travels a very long way in communities.

Speaking of things that make a big impact in communities, I join with my colleague from Waterford, Deputy Shanahan, who earlier paid a warm tribute to Mr. Eamonn McEneaney, who has been the driving force behind "Waterford Treasures". Waterford is Ireland's oldest city and we have, in my view, the best museum and heritage offering. We have a range of five museums as part of this "Waterford Treasures" conglomeration. It tells the story of a city that is more than 1,000 years old. This exists in no small part due to the work of Mr. Eamonn McEneaney, supported by others in the city and the community. Anybody involved in these museums would happily acknowledge, though, that without Mr. McEneaney at the centre and as the driving force that this would not have happened. I just wanted to use the remainder of my time to warmly acknowledge the huge contribution Mr. McEneaney has made to my city and to wish him the best in his retirement.

I am happy to echo the words of my colleagues regarding our built heritage, historical sites and historical venues and the history attached to them. This is based on their educational value for future generations. We do not sufficiently value the extent to which future generations can learn from these historical sites and become part of pursuing the legend in this regard, or the legacy in any event.

My colleagues, including Deputy Farrell, mentioned that all of our heritage is ours now, whatever the circumstances were. For good or bad reasons, we remember it. In some cases, we remember it for oppressive reasons. These things are part of our heritage and we should not pass it by lightly without recording where it came from and where we came from in the intervening period.

When we drive along we can look at various sites, almost all of which are kept very well and are in the custody of the OPW, and we can see that a number require attention. In my constituency the Taghadoe round tower has been in existence for a long time. It has been there for thousands of years and is of huge historical significance. It needs improvement and to be made waterproof, in particular. Due to the passage of time it will deteriorate unless that work is done. There is not sufficient area around it for parking, etc. That needs to be addressed. I compliment the OPW on the work it has done there already. Work remains to be done.

There are several great houses around Kildare, as we all know, such as Castletown House and Carton House. They have a history attached to them. That history needs to be known by all who live in the area and might come to visit it, whether that is tourists, educationalists or those seeking to expand their knowledge of our heritage and history. There are opinions as to whether we have achieved the ultimate in success in doing so.

In the west of the country there is Gráinne Mhaol and the various castles and towers to commemorate her. She was a well-known lady. I would not like to cross her, let me put it that way. She had a tremendous heritage to pass onto the next generation as did Queen Maeve and Fionn Mac Cumhaill in County Kildare, who is buried in the Hill of Allen. We were not there at the time to prove it, but that is what we are told. That is part of our history. It may be part of folklore, but we are entitled to expand that folklore, enjoy and indulge in it and pass it on in such a way that when future generations come along, they will be able to say it is part of our heritage and it has been kept so well so far that they can enjoy it, and it is now their duty to pass it on intact and improved if they can do so.

There is merit in evaluation of the various sites, heritage houses and locations in every county and which cover every age. We tend to think they are there for now. However, if we do not protect things from here on in they will not be there for future generations. I ask that there be an audit of historic sites and houses that are not protected in any particular way, with a view to having some kind of national appraisal that would allow the State to improve and enhance them and put them on the map in terms of their importance. They are in every county. Some have been forgotten.

I recently drove across the country and saw Highbury Castle in County Kildare, which the Ceann Comhairle knows quite well. It lay stark against the setting sun. It was an extraordinary photograph. It is in private ownership. A local man, the late Frank Tyrrell, was very deeply involved in trying to protect and preserve it for the public. It is history. The history of this country has to take into account the historic houses and the role they played.

Before I call on the Minister of State to respond, it would be remiss of me not to mention the tremendous work that has been done all over the country by heritage officers employed by county councils. They have been a great boon to the heritage sector which was so endangered for so long. In Kildare, Bridget Loughlin, who is well known to Deputy Durkan and me, has done outstanding work. I am sure it is the same in the Minister of State's county.

I thank the Ceann Comhairle. I welcome his contribution. It is important that he would put on the record the significance of the Bill. It comprises 238 sections and 242 pages. It is a monumental Bill. I want to pay tribute to my colleague, the Minister of State, Deputy Malcolm Noonan, and the officials in the heritage section of the Department of Housing, Local Government and Heritage on this phenomenal body of work.

I want to give a final overview, but more particularly go through the comments raised by individual Members. I thank Deputies for their engagement on this important Bill. There is a clear need to revise and replace the existing law in this area, which was forward looking in its day but is now almost 100 years old. The Bill will introduce a range of innovative measures and significantly advance the policies and systems that we use to protect our historic and archaeological heritage.

I want to go through some of the observations from the Members who contributed to the debate. In response to Deputy Cian O'Callaghan's comment on my Department's response to the pre-legislative scrutiny report, I thank the Joint Committee on Housing, Local Government and Heritage, under the chairmanship of Deputy Stephen Matthews, and officials for their considerable work in producing the pre-legislative scrutiny report. It has fed into the process. The pre-legislative scrutiny process was of great benefit.

In total, seven important amendments have been made to the Bill to take account of the report's recommendations, with a further two amendments to be proposed on Report Stage. Only two recommendations were not accepted and the remaining seven were either accepted in full or in part. In fact, there will be a further amendment and all bar one will be accepted. The one which poses a difficulty is a recommendation from the committee that the Bill provides a Minister with the power to invest in the title to private burial grounds and historic areas of cultural interest. We feel there could be legal and constitutional measures. Many such areas are private graveyards. We take the import about preservation.

The intention of the Bill is to simplify and clarify some of the ambiguous terminology currently in use and greatly stabilise the legislative foundation on which the safeguarding and maintenance of monuments relies. Key concepts such as prescribed or registered monuments are to be introduced, along with new levels of clearly defined legal protection.

Deputy O'Callaghan made a number of observations. He spoke about the term "relevant thing" and said it was not defined. I draw his attention to the definitions in the Bill. It states that:

[A] “relevant thing” means any of the following things, whether situated on, in or under land and whether or not attached to the surface of the land or forming part of land and whether or not intentionally or originally in the sites where they respectively are:

(a) any artificial structure, construction, deposit, feature or layer (including any building and any burial or interment);(b) any artificially altered structure, construction, deposit, feature or layer, whether or not natural in origin;(c) any wreck;(d) any ritual or ceremonial site

That issue is very much defined and is included in the definitions in the Bill. The Deputy also made reference to the power to destroy monuments and that, in effect, there is no law relating to that. That is not correct. The Minister will be required to consult the Heritage Council. Furthermore, an environmental impact assessment, EIA, would be required. Public consultation is always required. There will be additional staff in the Heritage Council to deal with that. An EIA shall be carried out where proposed works, if carried out, would result in the demolition of the relevant monument to which the special protection applies. There are protection measures in the Bill.

Deputy Ward referenced a number of historic instances of loss of important sites.

He stated the Bill must provide a robust mechanism for monument protection. For the first time, there will be automatic protection for newly discovered archaeological sites. A wide range of sites and structures, not only ones of archaeological interest, will be eligible for protection by way of entry in the new register of monuments. In contrast to existing legislation, it will be possible to take a proactive approach to assigning a higher level of legal protection under the Bill to registered monuments, without having to show that such monuments are actively in danger or meet a national importance test. I will draw attention to that. The Minister will be responsible for the National Monuments Service, NMS. The work will commence on the monuments register before the Bill is concluded and enacted. It will probably take approximately 12 to 24 months to complete. We are looking at 150,000 archaeological sites of national monuments.

Deputy Smith’s reference to the souterrain at Donabate is a good example of how the Bill, through the prescribed monument system, will afford automatic legal protection to discoveries of archaeological sites such as this. In addition, it might be useful for the Deputy to note that there is no mention of NMS under the existing law, as it is not a separate statutory entity. The NMS is part of the Department of Housing, Local Government and Heritage, of which the Minister is head under the Ministers and Secretaries Act. I assure the Deputy that NMS will continue to exist and that significant additional resources have been secured for NMS over the past number of years.

A number of Deputies made reference to the Valletta Convention. The Valletta Convention is intrinsically built into the proposed legislation and is given effect to by a range of provisions, such as those providing for the mandatory reporting of discoveries of archaeological heritage and the creation of inventories. While other enactments, such as the Planning and Development Act, also provide for elements of the Valletta Convention, nothing in the Bill runs contrary to anything in the convention.

Many of the amendments the Minister will be bringing forward are coming from the Second Stage debate in the Seanad. During the discussion in the Seanad, it was acknowledged that there is a desire for the convention’s presence to be increased within the Bill and to provide for additional references to Valletta, my Department continues to engage with the Office of the Parliamentary Counsel, OPC, to determine whether the following amendments are considered. The first amendment seeks to include a new paragraph in section 3, confirming that the principles and requirements of the Valletta Convention and any other relevant international treaty are to be adhered to in the performance of functions under the Bill. The second amendment, to safeguard the Valletta Convention’s place in any future development of public policy on historic heritage, seeks to include a reference to the convention and any other relevant international treaties into section 168. As this section specifically relates to the co- ordination and development of public policy relating to historic heritage, the amendment will help ensure that going forward, public policy on historic heritage must be developed in accordance with the Valletta Convention. According to the third amendment, section 151 already includes provision that bodies exercising any licensing functions under the Bill must have regard to the provisions of relevant international conventions. My Department will consult with the OPC to see if an express reference to Valletta can be included here, without undermining the standing of the other relevant international conventions.

The Bill will enable the ratification of several other significant international treaties, should Government decide to do so. These treaties cover matters of global importance, such as the illegal trafficking of stolen cultural property and the protection of underwater cultural heritage.

I will deal with a number of matters raised by individual Deputies. Deputy Leddin spoke about the Wild Geese and Patrick Sarsfield. I pay tribute to Dr. Loïc Guyon. We have all worked with him and I have worked with him specifically to get Patrick Sarsfield back to his home. His remains are buried in Belgium. Discussions are ongoing and I hope they will come to a conclusion. I also hope all Oireachtas people who are invited and many others who wish to come along, will come to the French Embassy in May, when we have that meeting.

Deputy Durkan spoke about historical houses. This Bill is about monuments and their archaeological significance. As the Deputy will be well aware, the question about protected structures is a reserved function of the local authority and its members, but I will take his points back to the Minister and take the issue under advisement.

The Bill promotes regulatory reform and introduces significant improvements to licensing and consent systems and it does this while also strengthening heritage protection. The proposed “enforcement notice” system will be a major innovation that will see workable and robust civil enforcement powers introduced to aid enforcement and help ensure compliance with the legislation. Codes of practice will be introduced to explain, in plain English, how functions under the enacted Bill are to be performed, and to provide practical guidance to stakeholders and members of the public.

Officials in my Department are working on a range of proposed amendments that the Minister intends to bring forward on Committee Stage. Many of these are technical amendments, such as providing for the establishment of Tailte Éireann, while others will look to provide for matters discussed in the Seanad. Examples of these include additional references to the Valletta Convention; new reporting provisions; the integration of “cultural interest” into the definition of “relevant interest” and the rephrasing of certain provisions to aid comprehension. Many members have made reference to the cultural interest. It will be included in the definition within relevant interest.

Following Government approval on 14 April, local-government-related technical legislative amendments are to be introduced into the Bill. The legislation to be amended is the Local Government (Maternity Protection and Other Measures for Members of Local Authorities) Act 2022; the Local Government Rates and Other Matters Act 2019 and the Lough Corrib Navigation Act 1945. These amendments are time-sensitive, which is reason for their inclusion in the Bill.

Technical amendments are required prior to commencement of the Local Government Rates and Other Matters Act 2019, relating, inter alia, to the process of levying rates on the appropriate valuation list and clarifications around liable persons. It is critical that the Act is commenced before quarter 4 to comply with an existing legal requirement to make rate-limitation orders under the 2019 Act, as part of the national revaluation programme. The commencement of section 9 of the Act is also a key commitment in Housing for All and is reiterated under action 16.5 of the Housing for All Action plan update and in the vacant homes action plan.

There is also an urgency in relation to the precise amendments proposed to the Local Government (Maternity Protection and Other Measures for Members of Local Authorities) Act 2022, namely the need to clarify beyond doubt that a councillor who takes a period of absence and opts to have a temporary substitute in his or her place in accordance with the 2022 Act, does not continue to exercise functions as a councillor until he or she returns to the role. It is considered that such a clarification would be particularly important, for example, in the context of an election to Seanad Éireann and, therefore, requires that the matter is addressed at the earliest opportunity.

The purpose of the amendments to the Lough Corrib Navigation Act 1945 is to address a legal anomaly caused by the repeal of parts the Drainage (Ireland) Act 1856. The amendments will reinstate the legal basis for the functions of the Lough Corrib navigation trustees and will simply provide for Galway City Council, on behalf of the trustees, to carry on managing the lough as it has been doing. The inclusion of the amendments in the Bill enables us to remedy this matter at the earliest possible date.

I acknowledge the widespread support the Bill has received to date. I thank Deputy Matthews for his chairmanship of the Committee on Housing, Local Government and Heritage and the committee’s work on pre-legislative scrutiny. Deputy Boyd-Barrett dealt with both in the matters he raised. With regard to the powers vested in the Minister, he or she has to consult with the Heritage Council. That is the key reference point. The Heritage Council is the authority that is designed to be a single statutory body for matters relating to heritage. We wish to ensure there is a focus and that the Heritage Council is very much the key statutory body for such matters.

Deputy Matt Shanahan mentioned County Waterford and the inclusion of heritage sites there. We very much take that on board. Deputy Michael Moynihan made reference to the courthouse in Kanturk.

Under section 170, it falls to the local authority. That section states:

(1) It shall be a general function of the Minister, in consultation and co-operation with the Board, as appropriate, to promote the protection of historic heritage by public authorities in the course of the performance of their functions under any enactment other than this Act.

(2) For the purposes of subsection (1) but without prejudice to the generality of that subsection, the Minister may enter into an agreement with a public authority.

Section 171 states:

(1) It shall be a general function of a public authority or local authority to have regard to historic heritage in the performance of their respective functions under any enactment.

Both of those sections are relevant to the important points Deputy Durkan raised on the heritage and houses in the areas involved. The Bill will ensure that we have up-to-date legislation that is fit for purpose.

Another area raised was striking the right balance on the rights of the public being able to get to see monuments if they are on private lands. Obviously, the rights of landowners need to be protected. It is a complicated legal matter. We need to be very careful. There are only a few sites that have large-scale visitor access and we want to put the resources into those. We need to ensure the right balance. We want to preserve our heritage. The Bill will ensure that we have a register of national monuments. We need to encourage the public, that where they believe any site to be a national monument site, they bring it to the attention of their local authority and the heritage section of the Department. We can then get a database of our national treasures in terms of monuments.

I commend the Bill to the House and look forward to further engagement on Committee and subsequent Stages. I thank all Members for their contributions.

Question put and agreed to.
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