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37. Deputy Matt Carthy asked the Tánaiste and Minister for Defence if he will include the Safety, Health and Welfare at Work Act 2005 in the terms of reference for the tribunal of inquiry arising from abuses allegations brought to public attention by a group (details supplied); and if any other amendments to the terms of reference will be made arising from engagements with the group and another group. [50880/23]
Does the Tánaiste intend to include the Safety, Health and Welfare at Work Act in the terms of reference for the tribunal of inquiry arising from abuse allegations brought to attention primarily by the Women of Honour group, which has sought for this Act to be included in the terms of reference? Does he plan to bring other amendments to the terms of reference arising from engagements with the Women of Honour group and the Canary Movement?
The report of the independent review group, IRG, established to examine dignity and equality issues in the Defence Forces was published on 28 March last. The Government agreed to progress the recommendations contained in the report, which include the establishment of a statutory inquiry to identify systemic failures, if any, in the complaints system, in order to ensure accountability and transparency. Draft terms of reference were prepared in consultation with the Attorney General and shared with a wide variety of interested parties. In July, I obtained the approval of the Government to establish a judge-led tribunal of inquiry, pursuant to the provisions of the Tribunals of Inquiry (Evidence) Act 1921, as amended, to examine the effectiveness of the complaints processes in the Defence Forces and to address workplace issues relating to discrimination, bullying, harassment, sexual harassment and sexual assault and misconduct.
I have continued to engage with a range of stakeholders in this process. I have accepted many of the additional terms, amendments and edits, especially those sought by the Women of Honour and their legal team, including their request for a statutory public inquiry. It should be noted that certain terms sought for inclusion are to be examined in separate, non-statutory investigations in line with the recommendations in the IRG report.
The Health and Safety Authority, HSA, is the statutory body responsible for matters relating to occupational health and safety. A copy of the IRG Report was circulated to the HSA following publication earlier this year. I welcome the inspection of the Defence Forces arising from matters in the IRG report, which the HSA recently advised it proposes to undertake.
The tribunal is being established to identify systemic failures, if any, in the complaints processes in the Defence Forces. The terms of reference must be clearly defined to ensure that the tribunal is capable of completing the task assigned to it within a reasonable timeframe. The tribunal will have regard to any and all relevant legislative provisions and this will be at the discretion of the judge who is appointed as chair of the tribunal. Revised terms of reference have been shared with individuals and groups who have been in contact with my office. I hope to meet with the Women of Honour group again this week before I revert to the Government . I intend to revert to the Government shortly to seek approval for the terms of reference and for the appointment of a judge to chair the tribunal.
Our only purpose in raising these questions is that we want to get this absolutely right. I welcomed the proposal to establish a tribunal of inquiry to investigate the allegations highlighted by the Women of Honour group.
It should be noted that we would not be having a tribunal of inquiry or any form of inquiry were it not for the Women of Honour bringing their stories into the public, telling their own personal stories in some instances, and highlighting them in a way that was very stark and demanded a public response. I have to say that it would be inconceivable if the Tánaiste were to bring a proposal to Government that did not have the full endorsement of that group. Therefore, I welcome the fact that he is meeting them on Thursday. I have met with them myself. I have found the Women of Honour to be very reasonable and straightforward in terms of what they want at the end of the day. I appeal to the Tánaiste to ensure that when he sits down on Thursday with the Women of Honour, he will not get up until an agreement is reached so that when he brings a proposal to Government, it is something that everyone in this House and in the public can support.
I have met with the Women of Honour group on a number of occasions, and with their legal advisers, who are experienced in the matter of tribunals and inquiries going back over a long period of time. I think we have been very fair. I have been very clear, honest and straightforward in relation to this. I think the recommendation of the independent review group, IRG, was to have a statutory inquiry, and we have followed through on that. There were debates and reflection as to what model would be the best model. The Women of Honour were anxious that there would be a public inquiry in line with the Tribunals of Inquiry (Evidence) Act 1921. The Government has agreed to that. The terms of reference are comprehensive. I have had experience of tribunals in the past. It is important that the tribunal also exists for every member of the Defence Forces. There are many stakeholders here. It cannot go on for five or ten years. These are serious issues that everyone in the House has a responsibility to take on board, to be fair.
I am not aware of anyone in this House who is looking for a tribunal process that will go on for five or ten years.
Exactly.
What I have said is that at the first hurdle, we need to ensure it has full public confidence. I do not believe that public confidence will be easily built if the organisation that first outlined these allegations, made the charges and highlighted some of the deficiencies that I think everybody has accepted existed in terms of the policies and procedures that were in place is not fit to say it is something that it endorses or believes has the capacity to make a set of findings that will address the issues that it brought to the fore in the first place. It would be a shame as much as anything else. I will not make a political charge. However, I think it would be a real shame if we got to that point.
What I am asking the Tánaiste to do is to ensure that does not happen. We know the way to ensure that does not happen is to go through each of the issues, point by point, sitting around the table. The Tánaiste said he is going to meet the group on Thursday. What I have asked is whether he will commit to reach agreement with them and not bring forward recommendations to Government that do have that agreement.
Before the Tánaiste comes back in, there are two more contributors.
This is a very important question for the Women of Honour. As the Tánaiste is aware, they were taken aback by what they felt was a trivialising of their request and the assertion that its inclusion in the terms of reference would make the process in question unworkable. I believe the Safety, Health and Welfare at Work Act is extremely important in our Defence Forces because a disparity and polarity of power exists between superior officers and junior members of the Defence Forces reporting to them. There is a huge imbalance of power and safety.
It is a matter of bodily integrity for women and men, because physical intrusion is never just physical. It goes to a person's core as well. I think it is really important that it is included in the terms of reference and that the Tánaiste listens to the Women of Honour on Thursday. He said that these things can take years. Let us do it right from the beginning. I believe the IRG recommended that the Safety, Health and Welfare at Work Act would also feature in the terms of reference. I hope that the Tánaiste will think long and hard and go with this request.
I think all of us in this House agree that we need to get this right. In my engagements with the Women of Honour, they have expressed to me that on many occasions they have requested that the term "incidents of abuse" be included. Why is that so important to them? It is the only way to allow for soldiers who have never used complaints systems to come forward. It is vitally important. I ask the Tánaiste to heed the voices of those who know best, the victims themselves. They showed great courage and strength and they paved the way for others to come forward. All they need now is for incidents of abuse to be included in the terms of reference. They have expressed a bit of disappointment, in particular, in regard to a parliamentary response in which the Tánaiste stated that he has accepted many of the additional terms, in particular those sought by Women of Honour and their legal team. They are hoping that the term of "incidents of abuse" can be included as well.
First of all, there have been exhaustive discussions. We have had a number of meetings and correspondence with the Women of Honour and other groups. The Attorney General has met with the legal advisers to Women of Honour. We have gone through a lot of stuff in detail. The fundamental recommendation of the IRG has been met by the draft terms of reference and we have sought to go through all of the issues. The discretion of the judge is always there. I was surprised - and Deputy Cronin made the point - with the public statement that was issued following the last letter that I wrote to the Women of Honour, because I do not think it was fair. There was some assertion that we were equating trips and falls with sexual assault, which is actually the opposite of what were saying. To prioritise sexual harassment and bullying, it needs to be investigated. Dignity needs to be investigated. The Safety, Health and Welfare at Work Act covers everything in the workplace. If we put that specifically in the terms of reference, it will have implications for the length of time of the tribunal. There is no point in saying otherwise. We have to be honest about that. We have gone through this in detail and we will go through it again. We will have a further meeting. Likewise, we discussed that issue as well.
We are way over time.
Sorry.
39. Deputy Bernard J. Durkan asked the Tánaiste and Minister for Defence the extent to which ongoing changes identified in the review of the Defence Forces including pay, gender respect, bullying and-or other sensitive issues are likely to be addressed in total; the progress to date in this regard; and if he will make a statement on the matter. [50869/23]
This question seeks to ascertain the extent of the progress to date in the implementation of the recommendations of the commission; to what extent that progress is converging on eventual resolution of the issues; and if the Minister will make a statement on the matter.
The report of the independent review group established to examine dignity and equality issues in the Defence Forces was published following Government approval on 28 March of this year. The Government agreed to progress the recommendations contained in the report. One of the first actions taken was the establishment of an external oversight body, initially on a non-statutory basis. This body is a critical element to driving the necessary culture change throughout the Defence Forces and increasing transparency and accountability. I am very pleased that Professor Brian MacCraith agreed to chair the body and the Government approved its terms of reference in July. A priority action for me at this time is to bring forward legislation to establish the body on a statutory footing and good progress is being made in this regard.
In July, the Government approved the text of the Criminal Law (Sexual Offences and Human Trafficking) Bill 2023. Part 4 of the Bill amends sections 169 and 192 of the Defence Act 1954 in line with a recommendation in the IRG report. These amendments will ensure that An Garda Síochána will have sole jurisdiction within the State to investigate alleged sexual offences committed by persons subject to military law. Any subsequent cases will be dealt with by the civil courts. The Bill is currently progressing through the Dáil and is now on Report Stage.
Also in July, the Government approved the establishment of a tribunal of inquiry to examine the effectiveness of the complaints processes in the Defence Forces to address workplace issues relating to discrimination, bullying, harassment, sexual harassment and sexual misconduct. Draft terms of reference have been shared with individuals and groups who have been in contact with me and my office, and I intend to revert to Government in the coming weeks to seek approval for the terms of reference and for the appointment of a judge to chair the tribunal.
In September, I published the Strategic Framework for the Transformation of the Defence Forces. This brings together, in one overarching document, the multiplicity of plans developed, and the immediate actions to be taken to support the transformation of the Defence Forces into a fit-for-purpose organisation capable of meeting the challenges of today and the future. In relation to the IRG report, the strategic framework identifies 23 specific actions to be progressed, including the three I have already mentioned, with the aim of completion by the end of next year.
Finally, on the element of the Deputy's question relating to pay in the Defence Forces, the implementation of the early actions from the report of the Commission on the Defence Forces, in addition to the most recent pay increases provided under the Building Momentum pay agreement, have contributed significant progress on pay.
I thank the Tánaiste for the comprehensive nature of his reply. By way of supplementary question, if he is satisfied with the progress to date regarding the changes deemed to be necessary within the Defence Forces, to what extent does he think the proposed changes are accepted within the Defence Forces? Given the necessity to deal with such issues in the shortest possible time, and in order to stamp out any acceptance of the kind of things that went on, which the Tánaiste has already referred to in the reply, to what extent does he now expect to achieve all the objectives identified and to have them fully and finally resolved?
The publication of the IRG report was important. It enabled us to take fairly immediate action. I just outlined for the Deputy the amendments to legislation so that in the future all acts of sexual assault will go the civil courts. They will not be tried at military police level or at military court level; that is important. We had given that directive already. We have witnessed that inaction already in a number of cases that unfortunately have arisen but which have almost immediately have been referred to An Garda Síochána. That is progress. It is different from the way things were and it is very important. There is a new rigour there and a robustness in that any sexual assault incident that now occurs gets sent to An Garda Síochána straight away. Today, the Government approved of the detailed implementation plan for the Commission on the Defence Forces, and the overall strategic framework of approximately 130 actions. There is now a specific timeline over the next number of years for the implementation of both the recommendations of the Commission of the Defence Forces, and also in respect of the IRG.
Are the issues around pay and working conditions being fully addressed in an aggressive way in order to ensure that the Defence Forces and its membership can rest assured that the changes proposed are inevitable, that they are being made, and that they are being taken seriously, and that refers to all and every aspect of the report?
I mentioned in an earlier reply the details of starting pay which has increased very significantly in the last number of years. The starting rates of pay in the Defence Forces now compare very well to comparable rates of pay across the public service. In addition, a range of financial and non-financial measures have been introduced such as the extension of private secondary medical care to all Defence Forces personnel. New work-life balance initiatives have also been introduced. Allowances for the Army Ranger Wing have been approved and, as the Deputy knows, we have replaced the existing seagoing allowances with less complex seagoing duty measures. As Deputies may have heard of last week, I was pleased to announce that the patrol duty allowance paid to Naval Service personnel is to be doubled after ten days at sea, and that will take effect from 1 January 2024. In recognition of the commission's recommendation, this new measure provides far greater clarity regarding the overall package available to our Naval Service personnel and potential recruits. By any yardstick, very significant progress has been made on pay and allowances and also on capability and equipment, which is dealt with in a later question.
40. Deputy Bernard J. Durkan asked the Tánaiste and Minister for Defence the extent of his recent discussions with his EU colleagues in regard to defence and security; and if he will make a statement on the matter. [50870/23]
This question seeks to ascertain the degree to which we can expect any improvement, encouragement, or financial contribution from our European colleagues regarding defence and security, given the extensive shoreline for which this country has responsibility and that we are living in a time of many challenges from many sources.
I thank the Deputy for raising this issue. Russia's ongoing military aggression against Ukraine has fundamentally altered the security situation in Europe. It has also demonstrated the need for Ireland and our European Union partners to work closely together to deal with the serious security challenges that we face. Since my appointment as Minister for Defence, I attended the Foreign Affairs Council meeting in defence configuration, which took place in Brussels in May, and I also attended the informal defence ministerial meeting at the end of August, which took place in Toledo in Spain. I have also used the opportunities of these meetings to hold a number of short bilateral discussions with colleagues. Unfortunately, I was unable to attend the most recent Foreign Affairs Council defence ministers' format in Brussels on 14 November. Ireland was, on that occasion, represented by Ireland's ambassador to the Political and Security Committee of the European Union along with officials from my Department. Topics discussed included the EU’s support to Ukraine, the EU Rapid Deployment Capacity, the adoption of the mandate of CSDP missions in the Sahel, the conflict in the Middle East and the renewal of the mandate of Operation Althea. I look forward to engaging with EU colleagues further at upcoming defence ministerial meetings in the new year.
Earlier this year, I also attended the 59th Munich Security Conference, which was attended by a large number of defence ministers from the EU and beyond. The focus there was largely on the international response to the war in Ukraine. In my capacity as Minister for Foreign Affairs, issues of defence and security are a regular element of the Foreign Affairs Council agenda, where I meet with my ministerial counterparts on a monthly basis. Recently topics have included Russia’s illegal invasion of Ukraine; the Sahel; the Middle East; the Southern Caucasus; and the Western Balkans.
I thank the Tánaiste. Can I ask the extent to which discussions have taken place with our EU colleagues with a view to speeding up the degree of support which may be available in the event of a rapid attack from some quarter, given as the Tánaiste has said, the situation in Ukraine and how quickly it happened and with no warning? It might be necessary to have some further assistance from our European colleagues in order to defend our own infrastructure in the event of an incursion.
I am not anticipating a rapid attack right now-----
It could happen.
-----and as the Deputy knows we have a position of non-alignment. We are not members of NATO, and we have no plans to join, and the Constitution prohibits any European Union common defence pact, or Ireland's participation in any EU common defence pact. There is a broader provision in the EU where EU member states may come to the assistance of another EU member state that comes under attack but that has never been defined in any great clarity as to how that would manifest itself. Suffice it to say, on the Report of the Commission on the Defence Forces, we acknowledge that we need to significantly improve capability in respect of our observation and control of maritime airspace and defence systems. We have a significant distance to go, although the two C295W aircraft we have recently purchased are a very significant addition in maritime surveillance from the air and there will be more.
The variety of potential threats, such as drug running - and our congratulations go to the Defence Forces on their tremendous success in recent times in this area - also underlines the necessity to prepare for an ongoing attack on incursion in that area, and that at all times it is now necessary to make preparations well in advance and to try to ensure our defence systems have the technology, personnel, and the air, sea, and land equipment to deal with any such situation as it arises and to deal with it firmly. I ask that particular attention be given to the variety of potential threats at the moment.
I think it would be fair to say that we have engaged through our individual partnership for peace, the renewal of that individually tailor-made programme with NATO in the context of Partners for Peace, with which we have been involved since 1999.
The areas we have prioritised with PESCO are subsea cables and infrastructure, critical infrastructure and cybersecurity. The big attack we had in this country in the past three years was that on the health service by the Conti group, a criminal operation in Russia, which basically paralysed our health service. We are conscious of the need to make sure that we have a robust, resilient situation in terms of subsea cables.
The Deputy is correct in terms of his overall question. That will require collaboration with other member states of the European Union, and we are also a member of NATO in the context of cybersecurity. We share expertise, learn from and work with others to deal with common threats. The two key ones for us are subsea cables - and eventually offshore wind infrastructure, which will be a huge economic asset - and cybersecurity.
42. Deputy Ruairí Ó Murchú asked the Tánaiste and Minister for Defence if he is aware of the alleged release on bail of one of the men accused of the murder of a person (details supplied); and if he will make a statement on the matter. [50907/23]
It seems that Lebanon's military tribunal has released one of the men accused of the murder of Private Seán Rooney. Obviously, four others are still at large also. Could the Tánaiste give an update on the case and any engagements that he has had with the Lebanese authorities and other stakeholders? As he said previously, it is all about leaving no stone unturned in the context of delivering justice for Private Seán Rooney.
On 15 November, when I was in the Middle East, my Department became aware of a Lebanese media report announcing that one of the individuals accused of the murder of Private Seán Rooney on 14 December last who had been in Lebanese custody had been released on bail. The case against this individual and the other defendants is due to resume in Beirut on 15 December.
In addition to the assistance provided by the Irish Embassy in Cairo and the honorary consulate in Beirut, my Department has also engaged the services of a Lebanese legal firm to represent the interests and concerns of the Irish Government at court hearings in this case.
Following the media reports, immediate inquiries have been made to establish the facts and circumstances relating to the release of the individual concerned. Those inquiries confirmed that he had been released on bail with the payment of a financial bond and the understanding is that the release was granted for medical reasons. Further inquiries are continuing to obtain as much detail as possible on this release.
The family are my absolute priority in terms of ensuring that they are kept immediately informed of any updates received by the Department, including the very disappointing news this week. I am not at all happy with what has transpired. In this regard, I met with Private Rooney's mother, Natasha, yesterday to update her on the progress of the investigations being carried out into her son's killing. I assured her of the Government's continued determination to ensure that justice is done in holding to account those responsible for this heinous crime. This is a point I strongly made again recently to my Lebanese foreign and defence counterparts as well as at the United Nations when I met the Secretary General, António Guterres, earlier in the year. I met with the Lebanese foreign minister during UNGA week in September in respect of this matter.
Given that this matter is now before the Lebanese judicial system, I am not in a position to comment further at this time. My Department, the embassy in Cairo, the honorary consulate in Beirut will continue to monitor developments very closely. Our legal representatives can observe what is going on in the courts but cannot intervene in the court case per se.
Obviously, I cannot imagine how this is for Natasha and the rest of the family. I am aware that the Tánaiste met with them. The most important thing is that we ensure the family is kept up to date as much as possible. It is vital that we get answers. I do not think it is okay that the Tánaiste learned of this through media reports. I do welcome the fact that the family was informed as soon as he knew, but we need to get the answers in relation to this issue. We are very worried about this situation. We know that it must be investigated from the point of view of the Defence Forces to ensure that they make all the learnings that are necessary from the point of view of protocols and operating procedures. It is also vital that we remember Private Rooney and the sacrifice that he made and that his family are offered all that the State can from the point of view of delivering justice.
I appreciate what Deputy Ó Murchú is saying. I am not happy with this and quite understandably the family are not happy. I will again convey to the Lebanese Government and to the United Nations my view that the lives of our peacekeepers need to be valued and affirmed through robust legal processes. We know the situation in Lebanon is challenging to say the least, in terms of the polity there and the range of issues. I did meet the Lebanese minister for foreign affairs in New York at UN General Assembly week when I again raised the matter of this criminal investigation. I also recently spoke with the Lebanese defence minister and relayed strong messaging around justice for Private Rooney. We will continue to do that, and likewise with the UN. The next stage will be the next hearing on 15 December. I take on board what Deputy Ó Murchú is saying.
It is vital that we keep our eyes on the situation and that we get the answers as to why we were not informed initially. Beyond that, it is vital we maintain contacts with the UN and the Lebanese authorities. It is also vital that we look after our Defence Forces. Private Rooney was on a UNIFIL operation, which is vital peacekeeping. We have always been afraid about such a set of circumstances given the particularly precarious situation in the Middle East. Given the onslaught that Gaza is under by the Israelis at this point, we do not know how that is going to impact on the wider area, including Lebanon, but it is extremely important that the eyes are on it and that we do all that we can to ensure whatever pressure is possible is brought to bear so that justice is provided. I say that while accepting that there is a judicial process and that the Tánaiste cannot comment on that. It is about making sure we get the answers and then ensuring that the family is outdated at all times.
I am conscious that the case is under way. Hezbollah is a major force in Lebanon. That must be acknowledged as well. A new government has not been formed in Lebanon in quite a long time. That is not helpful either. The situation generally in Lebanon, with the collapse of the economy and the currency, mean there is a significant need for stability in the country. We have been long-term peacekeepers in Lebanon. The presence of peacekeepers generally is in areas which are challenging and difficult, by definition. That remains the case. It is even more so now in respect of the heightened tensions as a result of the Israeli-Hamas engagement and the danger of that spreading across to Lebanon. We are very conscious of that and we have been working very hard to avoid a regional escalation of the conflict.
43. Deputy Matt Carthy asked the Tánaiste and Minister for Defence if he will report on the situation with regard to Defence Forces personnel deployed with UNIFIL and UNDOF; and if he will report on any actions taken in view of the deteriorating security circumstances. [50879/23]
I am sure the Tánaiste will join me in extending our best wishes and commendation to the members of the Defence Forces who are serving currently in Lebanon and the Golan Heights in what are very difficult security circumstances at present. My question to the Tánaiste is if he will report on the situation regarding our Defence Forces who are currently deployed on the UNIFIL and UNDOF missions.
The Defence Forces have almost 460 personnel serving between the two UN missions referenced by the Deputy. As of 1 November, 319 Irish personnel were attached to the United Nations Interim Force in Lebanon, UNIFIL, and 136 were serving with the United Nations Disengagement Observer Force in Syria, UNDOF.
All Defence Forces personnel are maintaining a high level of vigilance and continue to monitor the developing situation in their respective mission areas. All personnel serving in the Middle East region are accounted for and are safe and well. They are complying with UN security precautions, including taking shelter in protected positions as appropriate.
The deployment of the 123rd Infantry Battalion to UNIFIL to replace the 122nd Battalion is well under way and will be completed later this month. The safety and security of Ireland's Defence Forces personnel are of paramount concern to the Government.
Before deployment, Defence Forces peacekeepers are well trained and prepared to anticipated events such as cases of sporadic fire in their area of operations. This has required taking shelter in protected positions on several occasions since the outbreak of hostilities. Defence Forces personnel serving in all overseas missions are equipped with the most modern and effective equipment as well as the required protection specific to the mission. Ongoing threat assessments are carried out in the mission area and personal equipment and force assets are continually reviewed to ensure that Defence Forces personnel are appropriately equipped to fulfil their role.
Unfortunately, no mission is without danger, but I am satisfied that all appropriate security measures are in place to ensure the safety of all Defence Forces personnel serving overseas. I am in ongoing contact with the Chief of Staff and the Department of Defence and I am being kept apprised of all developments in those areas where Defence Forces personnel are deployed. We will continue to closely monitor the situation with our partners in the United Nations and the wider international community.
I thank the Tánaiste. Having read some interviews with, and reports on, participants and commanders within both missions, the Irish participants in particular were noteworthy for their professionalism, bravery, commitment to peace keeping and the missions in which they are engaged. It is important that we all say very clearly how proud we are of the service they are providing, not only to Ireland but also to United Nations. The Tánaiste has outlined the increased security context in which they are operating. We know that United Nations Interim Force in Lebanon, UNIFIL, facilities have been struck and rockets have been fired within the Irish area of operations. Thankfully, there have been no casualties to report for the Irish Defence Forces so far.
Has the Tánaiste reviewed with the Defence Forces leadership whether additional supports are needed for the Irish contingent in either mission, to allow them to get through this period?
Peace keeping is the most noble act of all. We pay tribute to the courage and commitment of our Defence Forces personnel in Lebanon and in the United Nations Disengagement Observer Force, UNDOF, in Syria. Their mission is to protect the civilian population in the area. We have been doing this for decades now, generally within Lebanon. In recent years the situation has become more challenging, particularly now in the context of the heightened tensions in the region. There has been a ratcheting up of exchanges between Israel and Hezbollah, although not yet at a level of all-out hostilities. During my visit last week I discussed that with our Egyptian counterpart and with the Arab League regarding the situation in Lebanon. The Arab League led by the Secretary General, Ahmed Aboul Gheit, represents a number of Arab countries. Their assessment is that the likelihood of all-out hostilities has not yet been reached, but accidents can happen when explosions are going back and forth and that is a big concern.
The Tánaiste has related his engagements with political leaders in the Middle East. We have all noted the high regard in which Ireland is held. Much of that stems from the political position Ireland has taken in defence of international law. A huge part of that credibility has arisen from the role and the reputation of the Irish forces in ongoing peace keeping missions. In that regard, I ask the Tánaiste whether he still intends to withdraw Irish troops from the UNDOF mission in the Golan Heights. In the current context that would be a mistake. It would be disappointing if Government were to proceed with that stated intention, particularly in the light of the reports that only 35 members of the Defence Forces have signed up to the EU battle groups, which was supposedly the rationale for withdrawing the troops from the UNDOF mission. The members of the Defence Forces have clearly spoken with their feet in that regard and I ask the Tánaiste to reconsider the position on the UNDOF mission in the Golan Heights
That decision has been taken on foot of recommendations from the Chief of Staff and military management. One has to take those decisions to give adequate time for their implementation so that decision was taken about a year ago, following recommendations to bring clarity to planning into the future. We have participated in every EU battle group since 1999 and will participate in this one as well. That is the policy position of Government. Regarding the Deputy's earlier question, we keep in close contact with the Chief of Staff and the team in respect of the safety and well-being of our troops in Lebanon and UNDOF. Any additional equipment required will be provided. We are under the leadership of UNIFIL and the force commander there. Established protocols will be followed. The absence of resources has not arisen as an issue.
44. Deputy Alan Farrell asked the Tánaiste and Minister for Defence to provide an update on his Department's efforts to increase the number of permanent personnel within the Defence Forces; and if he will make a statement on the matter. [50886/23]
45. Deputy Alan Dillon asked the Tánaiste and Minister for Defence his views on recruitment and retention within the Defence Forces; and if he will make a statement on the matter. [50919/23]
I ask the Tánaiste provide an update on the ongoing efforts by the Department to boost numbers of permanent personnel in the Defence Forces. Additionally, I would like to hear his thoughts on the current situation regarding recruitment and retention within our Defence Forces and any plans or initiatives to address concerns.
I propose to take Questions Nos. 44 and 45 together.
The military authorities advise that at the end of October 2023, the number of personnel in the Defence Forces stood at 7,595. The establishment of the Defence Forces was recently increased to 9,589. This increase is intended to expedite implementation of the report of the Commission on the Defence Forces, through the creation of 89 additional promotional opportunities.
I have previously acknowledged recruitment and retention challenges in the Defence Forces and the initiatives underway to counter these challenges such as ongoing general service and direct entry recruitment. A joint induction training centre has been established in Gormanston, with a view to increasing the throughput of recruits. The maximum age of entry has been increased to 29 years for general service recruits, apprentices, and certain specialists, and fitness test scoring has been amended to maximise induction levels. External HR expertise has also been engaged to validate Defence Forces recruitment efforts and a marine specialist recruitment body has been contracted to target individuals with the skills and expertise required by the Naval Service.
Other initiatives include significant progress on pay with current pay rates, including military service allowance, for the ranks of three star private and able seaman in their first three years of service starting at €38,016 in Year 1, rising to €40,700 in Year 3 of service. On being commissioned, a graduate cadet starts on €47,245, and a school leaver cadet starts at €41,962 while in full-time third level education.
Private medical care has been rolled out to all ranks in the Defence Forces
The Deputies will be aware of my recent announcement on the new Naval Service patrol duty allowance to be introduced from 1 January 2024. This allowance will consolidate the current patrol duty allowance and the sea going service commitment scheme.
There have also been improvements in conditions for medical officers. My immediate focus remains on stabilising the numbers of personnel, and to facilitate capacity for further increases. This will enable us to align ultimately with the level of ambition recommended in the report of the Commission on the Defence Forces, and agreed by Government.
I commend the Tánaiste and the efforts he has made to enhance recruitment and retention in the Defence Forces. I have taken note of the commitment to increase recruitment by 2,000 by the end of 2028 , as well as the various strategies the Tánaiste has outlined that have been devised to bolster recruitment and address the existing shortfalls. The comprehensive packages encompassing aspects like pay, conditions equipment, accommodation and medical provision is evidently improving the situation substantially. What are the plans for media campaigns to attract new recruits?
Additionally, I wish to inquire about the impact of the ongoing global conflicts on individuals who may be considering careers in the Defence Forces. What is the Tánaiste doing to combat any negativity associated with the profession?
This year alone, 409 personnel have been inducted into the Defence Forces, comprising 310 general service recruits, 61 cadets and a number of others in various specialist positions. We have provided unlimited resources for media, and various campaigns are on the way for both the Naval Service and the Defence Forces more generally. General service recruitment is ongoing. There are campaigns also seeking direct-entry applications from qualified doctors, motor technicians and so forth, as well as for women in the recruitment of specialists.
On the media side-----
The Tánaiste will have a chance to come back in.
I thank the Tánaiste for his response. I note his key interest in both the marine and the Naval Service, and it is certainly an area where we certainly need additional resources to enhance the security of our offshore equipment. Our gas connectors play a pivotal role in these endeavours and the involvement of our Naval Service in this capacity is indispensable as we lay the foundations for new infrastructure offshore.
In regard to the Naval Service and psychometric testing for potential recruits, I understand there has been a six-month pause on the process since last June. Prior to this pause, it was observed that up to 54% of candidates who had undergone psychometric testing as part of the selection process did not meet the required standard. Will the Tánaiste give an update on this pause and its implications for both recruitment and induction numbers?
Before the Tánaiste replies, Deputy Durkan would like to come in.
I thank the Leas-Cheann Comhairle. Again, I congratulate the Tánaiste on his progressive approach to the issues raised by a number of Deputies. Has there been a strict identification of the cause or causes of recruitment and retention difficulties in the Defence Forces? Have women been reassured by the actions to date that the Defence Forces can be a place to follow a career in safety, with an assurance it is the right place to go? Can both women and men be satisfied that the actions being taken are addressing the issues that caused a lack of security in that regard?
There were a number of issues there. The pause in psychometric testing for the Naval Service continues but we will have an evaluation of it.
Specific advertising for specialist recruitment is placed in industry-specific publications. Deputy Dillon talked about campaigns and websites. As part of the Naval Service-specific recruitment campaign, the second phase of an advertisement was launched in October of this year and it is planned that it will run until early December. The marketing strategy for the Defence Forces recruitment rebrand, “Be More with the Irish Defence Forces”, which was launched in 2022, aligns the desire of the target demographic to continuously improve and learn new skills with ensuring long-term career advancement by ably demonstrating the opportunities a career in the Defence Forces offers.
The Defence Forces continue to broadcast this message through regular visits to schools and frequent attendance at recruitment and career fair events. Transition year students can avail of placements within the organisation to undertake various programmes in a number of locations demonstrating career opportunities. In fact, Deputy Dillon attended the ploughing championships and will have seen the presentation by the Defence Forces.
On female recruitment initiatives, we have implemented specific measures to increase the level of female participation in the Permanent Defence Force. We have established a female-specific recruitment team, which co-ordinates the attendance of tri-service females in specific recruiting teams at national, regional and local levels.
49. Deputy Violet-Anne Wynne asked the Tánaiste and Minister for Defence if he accepts that the equating of “trips, slips, and falls” with rape and abuse was an unfortunate error in his letter to victims of the Defence Forces who have been subjected to such horrendous crimes; if he will recall and reissue the letter; and if he will make a statement on the matter. [50910/23]
52. Deputy Violet-Anne Wynne asked the Tánaiste and Minister for Defence if he will replace the term "complaints" with "incidents of abuse" in the terms of reference of the statutory inquiry into abuse in the Defence Forces; and if he will make a statement on the matter. [50911/23]
Does the Tánaiste accept that his equating of "trips, slips and falls" with rape and abuse was an unfortunate error in his letter to members of the Defence Forces who have been subjected to such horrendous crimes? Will he recall and reissue the letter and make a statement on the matter?
I propose to take Questions Nos. 49 and 52 together.
First, no such equation was ever made. The report of the independent review group, IRG, established to examine dignity and equality issues in the Defence Forces was published on 28 March. The Government agreed to progress the recommendations contained in the report, which included the establishment of a statutory inquiry to identify systemic failures, if any, in the complaints system to ensure accountability and transparency. Draft terms of reference were prepared in consultation with the Attorney General and shared with a wide variety of interested parties.
In July, I obtained the approval of the Government to establish a judge-led tribunal of inquiry, pursuant to the provisions of the Tribunals of Inquiry (Evidence) Act 1921, as amended, to examine the effectiveness of the complaints processes in the Defence Forces and to address workplace issues relating to discrimination, bullying, harassment, sexual harassment and sexual misconduct. I have continued to engage with a range of stakeholders to this process.
I have met the Women of Honour and their legal representatives on a number of occasions, most recently on 27 September last. Many of the additional terms and edits sought by the Women of Honour and their legal team, including their request for a statutory public inquiry, have been included in the draft terms of reference for the tribunal. I explained at these meetings that the terms of reference must be clearly defined to ensure the tribunal will be capable of completing the task assigned to it within a reasonable timeframe. I also outlined that certain terms sought for inclusion will be examined in separate, non-statutory investigations, in line with the recommendations in the IRG report.
In respect of my letter of 2 November last to the legal representatives of the Women of Honour, the content reflected what was said at a recent meeting with the group and clarified the breadth of inquiry that could ensue if the terms of reference were to expressly include health and safety legislation. I also pointed out, however, that the tribunal will have regard to any and all relevant legislative provisions, which include the Safety, Health and Welfare at Work Act 2005, and this will be at the discretion of the judge who will be appointed as chair of the tribunal. Revised draft terms of reference have been shared with individuals and groups who have been in contact with my office. I also intend to meet the Women of Honour group before I revert to the Government in the coming weeks to seek approval for the terms of reference and for the appointment of a judge to chair the tribunal.
No equation at all was made between sexual assault and trips and falls. I was surprised by the question and do not in any way feel it was a fair reflection of what transpired or of my views. The whole purpose of the tribunal is to prioritise sexual assault and sexual misconduct, and the manner in which the complaints were processed dealt with such misconduct. It was about giving that the overarching priority. That was the context.
I thank the Tánaiste and appreciate the information he provided in his response. It has been said previously in the Chamber that the Women of Honour are reasonable people. I have met representatives of the group and they felt the Tánaiste's choice of words was wrong. He mentioned he felt their reaction was unfair, but I respectfully request he reflect on his use of language in this instance and in the future. With the greatest respect, the magnitude of this issue commands the utmost sensitivity. While I am not saying the Tánaiste equated the two issues, that is the way it was perceived. I saw the letter myself, and the words "trips, slips and falls" really grabbed my attention.
The strong voices of the Women of Honour should not be taken for granted and speaking out is not something that gets easier. In fact, the opposite is true. They would not request action such as a recall and reissue without good reason.
It has significant relevance to them and really and, truly, that is all that matters.
This was discussed at the meeting before any letter was sent out. It was discussed by the Attorney General with the legal advisers to the Women of Honour. Reading it, the intent is quite obvious. If we include every aspect of the health and safety Act as a term of reference that is a problem due to the length of time the tribunal would subsequently take and it is by including that one would be equating things, it is arguable. We are saying we should not equate the two. We must prioritise what the inquiry should inquire into in order to ensure that we get to the core of the issues raised by the Women of Honour, by others and by the independent review group. Then the judge will have discretion to ensure matters that are core to the issues that have been raised are dealt with. That is legal parlance and had transferred, I understand, between the Attorney General and the legal advisers when they were going through various aspects and various amendments that were coming forward.
I thank the Tánaiste. The mention of time and there being too much of it almost feels as if there is a sentiment to the effect that maybe time is being wasted. That is obviously not the Tánaiste's intention, but for victims to hear we do not want too much time to go into such an inquiry is not really bringing about their priorities. It has felt to them that their concerns are not being heeded. It is encouraging to know the Tánaiste is continuing to engage with them and he will meet them again on Wednesday.
The Tánaiste referred to the inclusion of incidents of abuse like those I mentioned leading to a lengthy inquiry. I would hate to see the conclusion of such a significant inquiry, which was only really brought about because of the voices of the Women of Honour, leave out or exclude any victims. That would be a great mistake to make.
Deputy Durkan wants to come before the Tánaiste replies.
Gabhaim buíochas leis an Leas-Cheann Comhairle. Following the publication of the report and the investigation into the allegations of sexual abuse and harassment within the Defence Forces, have there been any other incidents reported?
The intention of the terms of reference is not to exclude anybody. People will be able to come forward, and we encourage that. On the time issue, experience tells us it is a problem if the terms of reference are not correctly drawn. Bearing in mind the need for closure for victims and survivors and indeed personnel within the Defence Forces right now, it is an important issue because we know previous inquiries have gone on much longer than anybody in the House anticipated. The most recent example is the Siteserv inquiry. We were meant to do ten modules there; we only ever did one and it took, I think, between five and seven years. A range of inquiries have gone on for such a lengthy duration that those who originally wanted them feel very cheated by the length of time it takes and do not feel their issues have been raised. There is a balance to be struck; that is all. It is about prioritising victims. I was Taoiseach for two and a half years and all I was asked to do in the context of any inquiries was to extend the duration. That is not in the interests of those who want answers, want reform and want things to change for the better.
To reply to Deputy Durkan, there have been other incidents and I said to the Deputy earlier - I am sorry, there have been allegations - but one of the more positive outcomes has been this direct referral to An Garda Síochána straight away. These issues must now be dealt with by the civil courts and the Garda from here onwards.
We are almost at the end. There is not enough time for the next question.
I will let Deputy Ó Murchú ask his question.
We will jump to Deputy Ó Murchú's question. He will not have the full time.
53. Deputy Ruairí Ó Murchú asked the Tánaiste and Minister for Defence if he is aware of the concerns raised by the head of the UNIFIL mission and Force Commander Major General Aroldo Lázaro about the security situation in South Lebanon; and if he will make a statement on the matter. [50908/23]
I want to deal with the concerns raised by the head of the UNIFIL mission and force commander Major General Aroldo Lázaro about the security situation in south Lebanon. The Tánaiste has already spoken about how none of us want to see an escalation of anything in the Lebanon on the basis of the slaughter happening in Gaza. He spoke about peacekeeping being the most noble act of all, but we must ensure we have best practice in protocols, operations and equipment for our troops.
The diplomatic networks are being worked to the full to try to avoid reasonable escalation, including Lebanon. I have spoken to the Iranian foreign minister, Hossein Amir-Abdollahian, to the Qatari Prime Minister and Minister for Foreign Affairs, Sheikh Al Thani, the Egyptian foreign minister, the United Arab Emirates' foreign minister, the Saudi Arabian foreign minister and so on with a view to ensuring all focus is on preventing escalation.
I am aware of and have noted the statement made by UNIFIL head of mission and force commander, Major General Aroldo Lázaro, during his United Nations Day speech on October 24. Major General Lázaro confirmed that since the situation in the Middle East began to escalate, UNIFIL peacekeepers have remained in their positions and performing assigned tasks under United Nations Security Council Resolution 1701. Peacekeepers also continue to carry out patrols and other activities, including with local communities, co-ordinating this work with the Lebanese Armed Forces. While confirming that the UNIFIL mission was actively engaged with authorities on both sides of the Blue Line to de-escalate tensions and avoid misunderstandings, he expressed his real concern the conflict has intensified. I share his concerns. The situation in southern Lebanon is dynamic, with increased activity along the Blue Line. The situation in the UNIFIL area of operations is tense and remains unpredictable.
I assure the Deputy that Irish Defence Forces peacekeepers are well trained prior to deployment and prepared to anticipate events such as occasions of sporadic fire in their area of operations, which may require taking shelter in protected positions, as they have done on several occasions since the outbreak of hostilities. All Defence Forces personnel are maintaining a high level of vigilance and continue to monitor the developing situation in their respective mission areas. The safety and security of Ireland’s Defence Forces personnel is of paramount concern to the Government. I am in ongoing contact with the Chief of Staff and the Department of Defence and being kept apprised of all developments in those areas in which Defence Forces personnel are deployed. We will continue to monitor the situation closely along with our partners in the UN and the wider international community.
It is absolutely necessary that we do whatever can be done to ensure there is not a regional escalation. If we could have a ceasefire in Gaza, it would obviously facilitate this to a significant degree. We must be absolutely vigilant for changed sets of circumstances. I get the tension. I stress, as have many others, that we are talking about our Defence Forces. Our personnel are very highly trained and have a great level of professionalism and, at times, necessary courage. However, we need to ensure this vigilance is maintained and operating procedures and protocols are as best as they can be so we ensure we do not miss anything. In fairness, the mandate of the UNIFIL operation changed in August 2022. There was some unease with some of the players in Lebanon at that point. While there is talk of maintaining independence for UNIFIL operations, there is also, as a Tánaiste said, a huge amount of emphasis on dealing with all stakeholders on either side of the Blue Line. All of this is necessary.
Everything that can be done is being done with the military command. The Deputy and his party have advocated for the breaking off of diplomatic relations with Israel. In the context of Lebanon and the security of our Defence Forces personnel, we need to retain diplomatic relations with Israel. We need diplomatic channels open. All we have been doing for the past four weeks is maintaining those diplomatic channels and talking to all interested parties that could have influence on all those involved to reduce the potential for an intensification of hostilities and all-out war between Lebanon and Israel.
I have spoken to the Iranian foreign minister as well and appealed to him to use any influence the Iranian Government may have with Hezbollah and Hamas to avoid an escalation in Lebanon. I have acted likewise with the Israeli Government. Diplomatic channels must be kept open. I am at a loss as to why that point does not seem to be understood.
We also need the Israelis to stop their slaughter.
