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JOINT COMMITTEE ON AGRICULTURE AND FOOD díospóireacht -
Wednesday, 22 Jan 2003

Vol. 1 No. 3

Animal Remedies Regulations: Presentation.

The minutes of the meeting of 11 December 2002 have been circulated. Are they agreed? Agreed.

We meet to discuss the proposed animal remedies regulations. I welcome Mr. Pat O'Mahony, chairman, and Dr. Gabriel Beechinor, veterinary director of the Irish Medicines Board. Before asking Dr. Beechinor to commence his presentation, I draw the visitors' attention to the fact that although members of the committee have absolute privilege, the same privilege does not apply to witnesses appearing before the committee. Members are reminded of long-standing parliamentary practice to the effect that they should not comment on, criticise or make charges against a person outside the House or an official in a way that makes him or her identifiable. I now call on Dr. Beechinor to make his presentation.

Dr. Gabriel Beechinor

Good afternoon, gentlemen and Deputy Upton. The Irish Medicines Board is pleased to appear before the committee to answer questions relating to the proposed animal remedies regulations and the method of supply of intramammary antibiotics and vaccines. I should point out that the IMB is not party to the details, nor involved in the drafting, of the new proposed regulations. Such a regulation may be under consideration by the Department of Agriculture and Food, but we are not aware of the detail of any legislative proposals. We are, however, aware of the European Union review of the medicines legislation, which is currently under discussion at a working group of the Council and which was debated by the European Parliament late last year. We have not been directly involved in those discussions, although we had been engaged in consultations with the Department on the proposals. We also produced, in 1999, a report on the availability of intramammary antibiotics for the Minister for Agriculture, Food and Rural Development.

The IMB made a written submission to this committee on 11 October 2000 and we appeared before the committee to discuss the same subject on 20 February last year. We note, of course, that membership of this committee has changed and we think, therefore, that it is important to explain once again the specific mission and role of the board in relation to the licensing of veterinary medicines and vaccines.

With the indulgence of the committee I will state that the mission of the board is to protect and enhance human and animal health through the regulation of human and veterinary medicinal products. In evaluating applications for product authorisations, the IMB considers the quality, safety and efficacy of the product, including any risks for the user of the product, for the animal itself, for the consumer or for the environment. All of this is defined by European and national legislation. Each application is considered on its merits, but the IMB, in keeping with its policy of transparency as outlined in its service charter, has elaborated policies in relation to the method of supply of all veterinary medicines and, since we were given responsibility for them in 2000, the evaluation of veterinary vaccines. On the last two occasions I communicated the details of those policies to this committee. I will paraphrase and say that the committee is aware that while the board is a competent authority for human and veterinary medicines, it is not a competent authority for the licensing of veterinary vaccines, which are regulated by the Department of Agriculture and Food but on which products, since 1999, the IMB conducts an evaluation of quality, safety and efficacy on its behalf.

Much of the national policy on veterinary medicine stems from EU policy and legislation. The committee will be aware that EU scientific policy on veterinary medicines is principally established by the European Medicines Evaluation Agency, which is composed of scientific experts from EU member states. This body also licenses veterinary medicines and vaccines which qualify for a central or community-wide authorisation. Among the conditions of all product authorisations is that the method of supply should be defined. As I explained the last time I was before the committee, in accordance with the requirements of EU Directive 2001/82/EC, the availability of a veterinary medicine or product containing a new drug substance must generally be restricted to prescription. This directive also states that a prescription should be required for medicines intended for treatments which require a precise prior diagnosis or for which special precautions are necessary to avoid any unnecessary risk to the animal, the user, the consumer or the environment.

The European Commission has stated that in its opinion most, if not all, anthelmintic wormers for veterinary use, as well as vaccines, deserve the status of requiring a veterinary prescription. A proposal that all veterinary medicines used in food-producing animals be subject to prescription-only status is contained in the European reform proposals. In so far as national applications for product licenses and other policies on the quality, safety and efficacy of veterinary medicines are permitted, the IMB policy is established by independent experts of its scientific committee, which in the case of veterinary medicines is the Advisory Committee for Veterinary Medicines. The experts of the ACVM are appointed by the Minister for Health and Children and they come from various scientific backgrounds, including veterinary medicine, pharmacy, pharmacology, toxicology, immunology, clinical practice, livestock and equine research and other specialist disciplines. As necessary, the ACVM consults with other interested parties and stakeholders or establishes a working group of external experts, members of its own committee and specialists before finalising policies which are not already covered by EU regulations, directives, guidelines and position papers. In the case of intramammary products, this was indeed the procedure we followed.

I will turn for a moment to the IMB policy on intramammary medicines. It is important to restate that the conclusions and recommendations contained in the 1999 report remain relevant today. These conclusions were as follows: ideally, in order to ensure prudent use of intramammary antibacterials, a mastitis control programme should be in existence at farm level. This programme should contain the following elements: application of the recognised principles for mastitis control and prevention; good record keeping by the farmer; regular bacteriological and resistance monitoring of each herd in the programme; regular visits by the attending veterinary surgeon to advise on optimum methods of control and to monitor antibacterial usage; and, in the case of dairy cows, the monitoring of milk somatic cell counts and regular maintenance of the milking machine.

The ultimate goal for responsible use of intramammary antibacterials is that they should only be used when scientifically justified, they should be subject to veterinary prescription control and their use should be conditional on the existence and operation of a satisfactory mastitis control programme. The report noted that these goals were not provided for under existing legislation and considered several options for the supply of intramammaries, including the maintenance of the status quo, to restrict antibiotics to pharmacy sale or prescription control or to provide for an alternative method of supply. The report, which is available on the IMB website, www.imb.ie, outlines the merits and weaknesses of the various options for the supply of intramammaries. Importantly, the report acknowledges that existing prescription requirements, which require a veterinary surgeon to examine the animal or animals in question immediately prior to the supply or prescription of a medicine, would be untenable and, in any event, that any such control system needed to be combined with a mastitis control programme such as is defined in the report. The characteristics of such a programme were defined in the report and were undertaken after consultation with experts, including those from the Department of Agriculture and Food and experts from Teagasc.

The report, therefore, proposed that a new control system, less restrictive than that required currently under prescription control but under the responsibility of a veterinary surgeon and linked to a herd health or mastitis control programme, should be instituted for medicines used in lactating cows. In the case of intramammary medicines for dry cows, the report also proposed a new, similar control system, based on an informed choice of the antibiotic and linked to a properly established and audited herd health or mastitis control programme on the farm.

Amongst the several recommendations of the report, it is important to highlight that the legislation governing the supply of intramammary medicines, including aspects of animal remedies regulations and poisons regulations and health board considerations, should be consolidated under the Animal Remedies Act under the aegis of the Department of Agriculture and Food, that a monitoring system for antibacterial resistance should be fully developed, and that legislative action should be taken to eliminate inducements, particularly financial inducements, that might encourage the inappropriate supply of antibiotics, including intramammary antibiotics. A weakness in the current system is that a farmer can be pointed in a certain direction on the choice of antibiotics on the basis of special offers or incentives. He may be offered combinations of therapy where a single substance might be most appropriate.

The report considered two major concerns related to the supply of intramammary antibiotics, including the risk to the consumer of residues remaining in animal tissues and produce and the emergence of drug-resistant strains of bacterial pathogens and the consequences of such resistance for animal and human use. I will focus on anti-microbial resistance because I have previously addressed residues in the consumer supply chain before the committee.

Of these two, most recent interest has been in the area of antibiotic resistance, which is an increasing and global problem. The primary impact of resistance is treatment failure, which causes an increase in morbidity and mortality and hence prolonged suffering of infected animals. A report by the Scientific Steering Committee of the European Commission in May 1999 acknowledged that in many European countries penicillin can no longer be used in the treatment of mastitis since B-lactamase producing staphylococcus aureus strains are common. It is important, however, to acknowledge that antibacterial resistance presents a major threat not just to animal health because it reduces the effectiveness of antibiotic treatment in animals, but also to humans. Drug resistance can prolong infectivity, thus increasing the risk of transmission of the infection and of resistant bacteria to other animals within a herd and to the environment, as well as a risk of transfer of resistant zoonotic pathogens which cause disease in humans. A further risk of antibacterial resistance in animals is that of selection of antibacterial resistance bacteria which are not pathogenic for man, but which may transfer their resistance via plasmids to human commensal and pathogenic bacteria. These bacteria, now with resistance, may later cause resistant disease in humans. Human and animal bacteria inhabit an environmental pool in which resistant bacteria, and genes transferring antibiotic resistance between bacteria, are inextricably intertwined and antibiotic resistance readily crosses the species boundaries.

The two factors which influence the spread of resistance in this manner are the selection pressure exerted by antibiotic use and the ease by which resistant organisms are able to spread between people or animals by cross-infection. Pressure from the animal health industry and from the farming industry to allow continued, ready access to intramammary medicines containing antibiotics without a meaningful and prudent prescribing policy means there is considerable potential for misuse and over-use of antibiotics which is recognised as a contributory factor to antibiotic resistance. To quote from the conclusion of the UK's House of Lords Select Committee on Science and Technology into the Resistance to Antibiotics in 1998, "antimicrobial resistance is here to stay; but action or inaction now, not only by Government but by everyone with a stake in public health, will have a real impact on the public health legacy which we pass on to the next generation." Calls for prudent use have also been made by other international scientific committees. Some of the conclusions of the Scientific Steering Committee of the European Commission are worthy of note in this context. It concluded that all available evidence points to an inexorable increase in the prevalence of drug resistance among bacteria which has paralleled the expansion of their antimicrobial use in all spheres.

This requires urgent attention by Governments and by all users of antimicrobials. It also concluded that although much scientific information is available, not all aspects of the development of antimicrobial resistance are well understood. To obtain robust evidence which might confirm and quantify the relationship between modes and extent of antimicrobial usage and the prevalence of resistance would probably take several years. To wait for incontrovertible evidence before taking action would be to miss an important opportunity for intervention.

The aim of interventions commenced now is to prevent antimicrobial resistance from becoming an even greater problem and to preserve the utility of the antimicrobials currently available. Action should be taken promptly to reduce the overall use of antimicrobials in a balanced way in all areas - human medicine, veterinary medicine, animal production and plant protection. This should involve improved disease preventative measures, elimination of unnecessary and improper use of antimicrobials, improving the effective use of antimicrobials currently available based on more precise diagnosis of the infectious agent, and on monitoring of antimicrobial resistance and control of antimicrobial usage.

In 2000, the Committee for Veterinary Medicinal Products at the European Medicines Evaluation Agency called for prudent use policies in the EU which apply equally to all antibacterial medicines throughout the Union, including those licensed centrally as well as in member states. Calls for prescription control of all antibiotics used in human and veterinary medicine have also been made by the World Heath Organisation and the OlE. Contrary to the view of the Irish animal health industry group, the EU animal health industry group has stated that "antibiotic use should be subject to appropriate professional advice, including that of the veterinary surgeon where appropriate."

In preparing for the submission before the committee I took time to consult with my colleagues in the Department of Agriculture and Food. While robust national data on resistance in human and animal bacteria is difficult to obtain, there is anecdotal and scientific evidence nationally that antibacterial resistance is becoming problematic. Indeed, the IMB has been made aware through recent consultation with the Department of Agriculture and Food of a case where a farm had to be depopulated as a means of controlling resistance to staphyloccus infection - one of the commonest causes of mastitis in cattle. Furthermore, the IMB would question the scientific validity of mastitis control programmes which are operated currently by co-operatives under licence by the health boards, which are devoid of data on antibacterial resistance and which are not linked to a prudent use policy on the selection of the antibiotics used.

I turn now to the IMB's policy on the supply of veterinary vaccines. In the elaboration of their policy on vaccines, the Advisory Committee for Veterinary Medicine considered the following issues: whether the products present a particular risk to the animal, for example, it is possible that anaphylactic reactions may occur in the animal or in the person giving the product to the animals, or indeed there might be a zoonotic disease implication; whether the product may cause effects which affect any subsequent diagnostic test or disease eradication policy; whether special skill is necessary for the administration of the vaccine; whether there are any special contra-indications or precautions needed in administering the product; whether there are special or unusual conditions for the supply, storage and disposal of the products; whether there is a requirement for specific advice for safe and effective use of the product, for example, as part of a herd vaccination campaign to eradicate or prevent diseases, or whether the duration of immunity is limited or specific to a sub-category of animals; and whether the animal owner or farmer would have the necessary training, skill and expertise to diagnose the need for a particular vaccine and to administer it.

In these last two cases, it must be recognised that the efficacy of a vaccine relates to the specific antigenic properties of that product, the physiological and immune status of the animals, the expected disease challenge and the interactions between animal host and pathogen. The fact that many diseases in animals present clinical signs which are not unique to a particular infectious agent and that there may be variation in the antigenicity of microbes causing infectious disease requires the use of specific antigens in a vaccine. If the correct vaccine is not chosen or if it is used incorrectly, an immune response of the host to the organism causing the disease will not take place or the response will not be sufficient.

Other factors which also require consideration in the choice of vaccine are whether the suppression of the immune system is expected, for example, combinations of live attenuated vaccines or the impact of passive immunity on neonatal animals in particular. It is not the purpose of this submission to give a detailed lecture on vaccinology. Rather, the IMB wishes to share with the committee the considerations which must be taken into account when evaluating applications for the granting of a licence for vaccines. It must be recognised that animals vaccinated incorrectly, or with an unsuitable product, are not protected against the disease in question, and animal welfare could therefore be compromised.

Before formulating its policy on vaccines, the ACVM consulted widely and examined the policies in other EU member states and at the EMEA. All veterinary vaccines licensed by the EMEA for all animal species have been restricted to veterinary prescription. The IMB acknowledged that commercial considerations were outside the scope of its evaluation, which was based on scientific and animal welfare considerations. On the basis of the these considerations, the IMB agreed the following general principles for decisions on the appropriate method of supply of veterinary immunological products: vaccines for dogs and cats should be restricted to prescription only, likewise for horses; and vaccines for livestock, fish and poultry should be given the category "prescription only medicine [exempt]", as defined by the Animal Remedies Act, 1993. That means that they can either be prescribed by a veterinarian or given in person by a pharmacist.

In publicising its policy, the IMB wished to provide the animal health industry, the Department of Agriculture and Food and other stakeholders with clear policy guidance so that consistency between the categorisation of similar products can be achieved. However, I should emphasise that a case by case evaluation of each application is made before a final recommendation is made. The IMB fully recognises that it is the Department of Agriculture and Food who, as the competent authority for veterinary vaccines, will make the final determination on the recommendations from the IMB on the authorisations and that it may take other considerations into account. Indeed, the IMB understands that the Department of Agriculture and Food has already done so for a number of products.

The IMB is very conscious of its responsibilities in the protection of human and animal health. The regulation of medicines is founded and continues to be based on science and in law. While acknowledging the financial challenges which farmers face currently, the distribution of veterinary medicines should not be looked at purely from an economic viewpoint. Antibiotic misuse - using the wrong drugs or vaccines - is expected to have significant economic and animal welfare costs and caries a risk to public health. The regulation of veterinary medicines and food safety issues have become of paramount concern to consumers both within the EU and beyond. The principle that food is inherently safe has been questioned and the precautionary principle is expected to be applied in areas of uncertainty. The IMB hopes that this submission will help the committee in understanding its policies on the supply of vaccines and intramammary medicines.

Thank you very much, Dr. Beechinor.

I thank Dr. Beechinor for setting out in great detail, and very scientifically, the content in this summary of the documents that have already been submitted to the Department. A simpler aspect to the debate is the need for a veterinarian to prescribe each time that intramammary treatment is required. At a purely practical level, this is surely going to be extremely difficult and costly. In summary, currently there are trained licensed suppliers and presumably a record is kept of all antibiotics supplied and given to an animal, with data on the amount of antibiotic and the different antibiotics that are used.

I understand the significance of the development of antimicrobial resistance. There is no question that this is a major problem. Perhaps Dr. Beechinor could indicate the impact the use of animal medicines, particularly intramammary products, has in contributing to this, relative to human medicines. I understand there would be a much greater impact with human medicines. Before we go down a very narrow road in making this very restrictive and very difficult for the farming community to deal with, it is important to have solid data on the relevance of the incidence of antimicrobial resistance caused by animal medicines as distinct from those given in the treatment of humans.

In relation to the development of antimicrobial resistance, surely there would be a time lag between the recognition of resistance and establishing the level of resistance and to which antibiotics particular micro organisms are resistant. There would be a number of days in between in which case, presumably, a vet would be called in if that were to arise.

There probably would be an animal welfare concern if, each time an animal was seen to be suffering from mastitis and the vet had to be called, one had to wait for the arrival of the vet and the delivery of a prescription that presumably would be fairly routine.

Is it acceptable that we take all questions first?

Dr. Beechinor

I am happy to deal with it whatever way you wish. In some respects it might be easier to address some of those points.

That is fine.

Dr. Beechinor

As I mentioned, the report itself acknowledges that the current rules governing prescription control which require a vet to be physically present to examine an animal in question within 24 hours of administering a product or giving a prescription for a product, would be untenable within the context of the current prescription control programme, maintaining an intramammary control programme. The report also looks at every other option - maintaining the status quo and also having other forms of control through pharmacists and so on. It highlights the difficulties with each of those recommendations.

The Deputy mentioned animal welfare considerations. I mentioned in my submission that the board is aware of one case where a whole herd had to be eradicated because no product was efficacious. This is a significant problem. We would say there has to be a redefinition of the prescription supply categorisation to allow for practicalities because at present if each animal in the country had to have a veterinary surgeon attend it before it could be treated, we would not have the manpower to deal with it. The Deputy is correct in this regard. At the other end of the spectrum a farmer can come in and choose an antibiotic on the basis of a gift going with a certain number of products, a special offer, or because he likes the colour of the packet. There is no rationale necessary in a prescription supply situation.

The Deputy also raised a point about the time lag. If one takes a sample it may be some days before the result comes back. In terms of herd management over time one builds up a database of information which allows a structured and scientifically sound prescription policy which is not based on one isolation. In such circumstances the outcome for a particular animal will have been determined long before one has the result.

The Deputy asked about the licensing of the co-operative system. In order to sell an antibiotic currently - an intramammary - a co-operative must have two licences, one being a licensed merchant licence. This means they have the training programme for selling medicines in general, including sheep dips, wormers, vitamins and so on. The particular licence in terms of mastitis control is called a licensed seller category B, which is issued by the health boards. The report criticises the licensing system because it appears these licences are historically based and there is no interrogation to see what type of system is in place in the co-operative. Effectively, it appears from the Irish Medicines Board viewpoint that these licences are quite arbitrary.

The Deputy asked about the impact of the use of intramammaries on overall human health resistance. The reality is that nobody has robust data in Europe or Ireland on this matter but what we have said is that the precautionary principle applies. Every scientific body in Europe that has met in recent years has said that antibiotics ought to be controlled. We suspect that most of the antibiotic resistance in human medicines may well originate from over-prescription of human medicines. I am a veterinary surgeon not a human doctor so I stand to be criticised for making that statement. Evidence suggests that hospital infections may be caused by practices in human medicine. There is a contribution from veterinary medicine, but we have no data regarding its size. There is data from the veterinary world in relation to other uses of products which have shown that resistance does transfer from veterinary to humans. We do not know how much is linked to intramammary usage - it is a nebulous situation. One cannot see the resistant organism which arises in the animal and is then transferred. One cannot tell a resistant organism from a non-resistant organism without laboratory tests. There is no quantitative risk assessment to support the type of data the Deputy would wish for. The overwhelming body of scientific evidence right across Europe and worldwide is that it does occur and we need to take action now.

I join in the welcome to Dr. Beechinor and Mr. O'Mahony to discuss this important topic with the committee. We are all in favour of having safer food for our people, not alone the farmers who produce it but everybody involved in it. That is where we are coming from.

I agree with Dr. Beechinor that there has to be control of antibiotics. However, from there I part company with what he has said and with what is contained in his submission. Throughout his submission, there is not the least understanding of modern agriculture. The truth is that we are dealing with a generation of farmers who are very professional in the way they do business, particularly dairy farmers. Dairy farmers, particularly those granted licences to run their businesses, are top class operators. They are as good and in some cases much better than farmers elsewhere in Europe. Many are better operators than those who handle medicines or some of those whom Dr. Beechinor would claim would be best positioned to operate them. I do not think Dr. Beechinor's assessment is fair. It does not take account of the professionalism of agriculture today. That is why we have to reproach it.

While Dr. Beechinor addressed the committee and told us about a report from the British House of Lords, it would be more important for the Irish Medicines Board to visit farmers on the ground and see how they operate before proceeding down this road. Not only will this initiative drive people off the land but it will speed up the numbers leaving it. I have not been lobbied as much on any issue, particularly by the more efficient dairy farmers. I would like the Irish Medicines Board to examine the effect it will have on the farming community. Major steps have been taken and enormous changes have been made, but I accept there are rogues in every trade and business. Farmers are genuinely interested in improving their businesses. I ask Dr. Beechinor to consider this in terms of modern agriculture. The Irish Medicines Board and Irish agriculture are on a collision course.

Dr. Beechinor

We may be based in Dublin but our roots are in the country. I am pleased to say I have connections in farming and I am familiar with the type of professional farmers mentioned by the Deputy who are dutiful and have an interest in ensuring safe food supply. The board recognises that. The challenge with which we are faced today is that we are dealing with an enemy we cannot see. We have a duty of care, and that is a difficulty in the face of all the scientific evidence worldwide which suggests there is a problem. Can we ignore the reality? That is the difficulty. Ultimately, what we want is a practical system. We do not want a system which is so based in the clouds that it becomes futile. We want to see the merits of some of the existing systems continuing. Ideally, we would like to see the elements that currently exist, where the co-operatives supply technicians to examine the vacuum of milking systems or obtain advice in terms of overall hygiene and so on, maintained. We are not throwing out everything. We need to look at where we are and where we need to be, and then bridge that gap. The Irish Medicines Board was asked to produce a report, which we did. Ultimately, it will be up to the Minister for Agriculture and Food to decide to base the legislation in one direction or another. That duty of care, in terms of the provisions of the legislation, will fall to the Government and not to the board.

I thank Dr. Beechinor for his presentation. It is good to hear his views and his approach. I disagree with him on a number of items and on one in particular. He said a farmer might buy a particular type of penicillin from a co-operative because it is on special offer or because something is being offered with it. The modern dairy farmer is far beyond that kind of thinking and actions. Results from milk testing will prove that farmers are serious about their milk production and if they are not, the penalties will ensure they go out of milk production very quickly.

Dr. Beechinor also said that more records must be kept by farmers. This is one of the areas, and I do not want to be irresponsible about what is a serious subject, which is a real bone of contention in farming today, particularly among young farmers because of the amount of red tape and work involved. While some record keeping may be necessary, there is little or no point in demanding more. There is no doubt that there are some good, practical suggestions in the report but I agree with my colleagues in the comments they have made about it. I thank Dr. Beechinor for his presentation.

Dr. Beechinor

I acknowledge that farmers want to produce the best and have a vested interest in ensuring the quality of their products and that their products are residue free. In my previous submission to this committee I made reference to the fact that we have to be careful about the interpretation we put on what is happening because the difficulty is that a screening test is operated by the co-operatives. The screening test has a certain sensitivity but the residue levels which are judged to be safe may be more or less than that particular cut-off point. To be scientifically sound one has to be very careful in making statements on what is residue free. Just because it cannot be detected does not mean it is residue free.

I wholeheartedly agree that most farmers want to do their best and try to be motivated by good science in making their choices, but we need a database from which scientific decisions can be taken because currently the scientific database is at an infant stage. Different co-operatives have different systems. There is no harmonised system so we cannot compare data generated in, say, Cork with data generated in Donegal. We need to be able to analyse trends in the data so that if a sample is taken this year and another in six months' or a year's time, we can see whether resistance is increasing and, if it is, we can change the antibiotic rather than waiting to see how an animal is responding and then trying a different tube. I know farmers are more skilled now than they were in the past but one can now buy two different tubes from different manufacturers but they may contain the same antibiotic, or variations thereof, and therefore one is not really changing the antibiotic. Let us capture what is good from the current system and marry that to something which has a more professional involvement.

I, too, thank the members of the Irish Medicines Board for coming before the committee and making their submission. I am one of the new members on the committee and while much of what is being presented today is new to me I am very disappointed with what is being presented, particularly as this report is bound to have serious repercussions on the farming community and the agricultural sector. Nowhere in the report is it acknowledged that those in the farming community are professionals producing a safe and valued product which the consumer requires. There is nobody more conscious of animal and human health than the farming community but the experts here are blaming farmers for what Dr. Beechinor termed bacteria getting out of control, and the side effects of that. That is absolute nonsense because for the past 30, 40 or 50 years the farming community put up with experts telling them how to eradicate TB, brucellosis and various other diseases. That advice was always administered by professionals, namely, veterinary surgeons who have tried to eliminate these diseases but who have failed to do so. I am very disappointed that Dr. Beechinor did not acknowledge in his statement the professionalism of the agricultural community and its ability to produce quality food.

Dr. Beechinor went on to say that farmers are capable of administering the wrong tubes and that they tend to buy those because they are on special offer. It is an insult to the farming community to suggest that. Some people may do that but the majority of farmers do not and I would like Dr. Beechinor to withdraw that statement or to say it does not apply to the majority of farmers. The same could be said about doctors, and there is an old saying that doctors differ and patients die. They are known to have made mistakes. Farmers can make mistakes but so can veterinary surgeons. This is an orchestrated attack on the farming community designed, as are many other policies now, to eliminate the farmer from society, particularly the small farmer. What Dr. Beechinor is proposing here is another cartel that will make millions for veterinary surgeons and pharmacies and in that regard we have to take a long, hard look at this report.

I want to ask a number of questions. The Irish Medicines Board policy on intramammary medicines is outlined at points 1, 2, 3, 4 and 5 on page 2 of the report. Will Dr. Beechinor tell me how they differ to what is happening currently? Are farmers not operating under that system currently? I cannot see that that is the case. What is being done here is an effort to make the cost of farming more expensive on the farmer and therefore to put them out of the market. I am very disappointed with the report and I share the views expressed by members to date.

Dr. Beechinor

Nothing in what I have said is designed to be an affront to the farming community. The purpose of the IMB report, which was requested by the Minister for Agriculture and Food, was to come up with a scientific policy. We realise scientific policies have economic consequences but we were not asked, nor is it the role of the board, to come up with an economic assessment of the impact of this report. We fully acknowledge that farmers are professionals. I mentioned that several times this afternoon and in my previous submission to the committee. I did not restate it in my submission today but it should not be taken that I do not imply it today. My submission should be read in the context of what we said previously.

The Deputy asked about evidence. The board has no involvement in terms of TB eradication. We have never been involved in that nor is the board trying to defend a cartel of pharmacists, vets or anybody else. The board does not have an interest in preserving particular slots for certain professions. That is not what we are about. We all can make mistakes, including farmers and vets. None of us is immune. In our report we try, in a transparent way, to lay out the store. I invite the Deputy to consider it in its entirety, as I included extracts from it in my presentation, which focused on antimicrobial resistance, but that is not the totality of the report. The report also deals with other aspects, including drug residues and so on.

The Deputy asked me to consider particularly the five elements of a mastitis control programme. One would hope that farmers already operate a mastitis control programme. Regardless of whether they do, I do not know if there is an incentive for them necessarily to do so. I suspect some do and some do not. One would hope all farmers keep good records. We are trying to achieve an assessment of data trends in order to measure, over time, if resistance is increasing among certain pathogens. In terms of staphylococcus aureus, which is the most common cause of mastitis, there is a considerable amount of resistance. That is why we need combination therapy, combinations of antibiotics, as against the position in northern European countries where they can use single specific antibiotics.

Those programmes are designed by Teagasc advisory staff. Are Teagasc institutes not engaged in research on the programmes they administer to farmers? Is the Irish Medicines Board aware of that?

Dr. Beechinor

The Irish Medicines Board took counsel from Teagasc in producing its report. We are aware of its report. In terms of the regular bacteriological and resistance monitoring of each herd, I am not aware that an active bacteriological and resistance programme is in place in respect of each herd in the country. When treatment failures occur, a vet or the co-op, at the invitation of the farmer, may sporadically take samples and have them tested.

I did not disagree with that.

Dr. Beechinor

Another section of the report deals with the need to have in place a co-ordinated and developed monitoring programme. What value are results if they are generated in a laboratory that is not subject to a quality control audit? If the same sample was submitted to a different laboratory, it may generate different results. There are elements within the existing policy on which we can build and there are issues on which we can improve. The gain should be examined as well as the costs involved.

There are regular visits by vets, but they advise on optimum antibiotic usage. I understand that representatives of Veterinary Ireland will appear before the committee this afternoon and, perhaps, they can address that point. With the exception of particular animals, in terms of the overall therapy for antimicrobial use as it applies to mastitis control programme - I know this from personal experience during my term in farming practice - in many cases vets were not consulted as to the type of dry cow tube that was to be used or the overall long-term strategy that was to be employed in the control of mastitis. In the case of the monitoring of somatic cell counts and the regular maintenance of milking machines, I agree this is a service which is absolutely necessary to build into any current or future system.

I join others in welcoming Dr. Beechinor and Mr. O'Mahony. We have met once or twice. In fulfilling his role, I would not expect Dr. Beechinor to state anything different from what he stated on this or the last occasion. I would like him to argue our case as effectively and efficiently as he is arguing his case. We accept he has a trust and a responsibility. He mentioned that the mission of the IMB is to protect and enhance human and animal health through the regulation of human and veterinary medical products. There is no difference among us, but Dr. Beechinor is the professional and he is charged with that responsibility.

How many tests have the board conducted on Irish product to produce the directional route through which he expects medicines will be distributed to the farming community? Is there a need to carry out such tests? When the report was issued in 2001, the Department carried out a analysis of 1,027 samples of milk tested for illegal residues in respect of which no samples tested positive. I would like Dr. Beechinor to support his argument with details of practical results, unfortunate though they may be in the case where he indicated that the test results revealed that there was a need for such a strategy. Dr. Beechinor has approached this matter from a theory point of view.

In the conclusions he made, I would like if he could show us that he has done an analysis of the position in other countries in terms of the routes used for the distribution of medicines for animal health control and product control. Neither the elected representatives nor the professionals in this room want a product in circulation for human use that is anything less than 100% correct.

Farmers are professional and operate to enormously high standards. Unless we are prepared to acknowledge that the production of food must be supervised all the way along the chain, all day everyday, by some expert or theorist, otherwise we cannot be satisfied that the product is being produced to the highest standard. If we do not accept sampling as a methodology of determining whether a product is contaminated, the only way to proceed is by constant supervision by a professional technical person.

Coming from the county from which he comes, I am sure Dr. Beechinor would accept that the 27,000 farmers producing milk are professional at doing that. I did not note a comparison of the routes and management of the distribution of medicines in other countries in Dr. Beechinor's presentation. I am concerned that we are facing robotic farming. The next stage to controlling medicines in animal life is controlling plant life. Somebody will do it. What will farming be like then? I accept it is Dr. Beechinor's obligation to say what he said and in such a manner. Equally, he will accept what we have to say. We say it with conviction. Has he had discussions with ICOS, the co-operative body? How does it feel about the route Dr. Beechinor is suggesting? It is a highly responsible body which represents the co-operatives, the farming community and dairy producers. We are not representing the pharmaceutical industry; we represent the producer who produces to the highest standards. If Dr.Beechinor has examples of tests being done that can prove us wrong, let us have them.

Dr. Beechinor

At times like this I think it would not be a bad option if I could sit at the other side of the table. Antibiotics are a valuable resource. The industry going forward is not producing as many as it did previously. That means we need to safeguard that resource. We are trying to create an environment where we can get the benefits of antibiotics for a longer time so they can be used safely and effectively.

The Senator asked about illegal residues and the monitoring programme carried out by the Department of Agriculture and Food. The board is aware of the outcome of that report. What we have told the committee today is that residues are but one side of the equation. Antibiotic resistance is something one cannot see. When a milk sample is tested in the creamery, one can tell whether it passes or fails for residues but it is more difficult to see antibiotic resistance. Antibiotic resistance is a fluid situation. It moves between the animal, the environment and humans. We need a monitoring system that takes place at farm level in every herd in the country and which charts resistance over time. Effectively, it would complement what currently happens in residue testing. Each tanker that calls to a farm takes a sample of the milk, which is then analysed. We would like to have a complementary system so there is a science-based approach for choosing antibiotics.

The Irish Medicines Board is aware of a situation where the only way to control an infection was to eradicate the animals from a herd. That is not science fiction; it happened in Ireland. We are sincere in what we are saying. This is not just based on precautionary principle. There is evidence to support what we are saying, although we may need more robust evidence. The fundamental thing we need is a more active monitoring programme.

With regard to what farmers are doing and their professionalism, I am aware that farmers in my native county of Cork are producing to high standards but that is not to say they do not need expert advice. No matter what level of production they reach there is always pressure on animals. There are new manifestations of disease. Farmers are living at the limits of current knowledge. New diseases turn up and there are changes to existing diseases, on all of which they require advice. That is the reason the vet and, possibly, the pharmacist are best placed for being more familiar with medicines. We are not saying pharmacists should get involved in anything else. However, with regard to the control of medicines, it is more than simply giving advice about nutrition, security of the animals or animal husbandry. This is a valuable resource that needs to be nurtured and guarded closely.

With regard to other countries, we are aware that antibiotics are prescription only across Europe. How that is implemented in different member states is subject to national legislation. The way we have implemented prescription control in Ireland seems to be far more rigorous than in other states. Whether that is right or wrong is a matter for the Department, not the board. Just because the system is so rigorous - if we were to implement it now, it would be untenable - that does not mean there are elements within it that ought not be used. Similarly, there are elements in the mastitis control programme which ought to be saved into any future system. However, we need to underwrite this with scientific policies rather than leave it to a more laissez-faire approach. If the farmer chooses to get advice, he can go to his vet. If he chooses not to get that advice, he can go to the local co-operative and purchase whatever he wishes. We are trying to change that situation.

I asked Dr. Beechinor if there had been meetings with ICOS. Would he accept that it is a responsible, authoritative body?

Dr. Beechinor

The Irish Medicines Board has had meetings with ICOS. We have had regular meetings with our stakeholders over many years. We have discussed the conclusions of this report with ICOS. We have also discussed the conclusions with Teagasc and others.

One thing is certain, the consequence of this recommendation is that the cost to the farmer will increase. That is significant although it should not be the overriding factor. Is there not a risk that, because of the increased cost to the farmer, a black market might evolve? The consequences of that would be far more significant in terms of human health given the abuse of antibiotics in such a case. How does Dr. Beechinor see that being policed?

I agree there is a need for data collection and for a scientific basis. There is no doubt about that. If one has the data, one can work out the trends and so forth and put a scientific shape or analysis on it. I do not see why that cannot be done under the present system and why it needs to be so fine tuned as Dr. Beechinor has recommended. The information could easily be collected. It is a matter of data collection, which is not rocket science.

The rate of usage is one of the things that influences whether antimicrobial resistance is developing or a greater level of residues is emerging in the human food chain. In the UK it is prescription only and the average usage rate is two tubes per cow. In France the average is 2.5 but it is only 1.6 under the current system in Ireland. France and the UK are prescription only countries. Perhaps Dr. Beechinor will comment on that.

Dr. Beechinor

I will take the questions in the order they were asked. The board has not looked at the development of a black market. We like to think that farmers will work with the legislation and will operate above board. There is no reason to disbelieve that. The legislation governing the black market use of products is penal. Not only is using an illegal product an offence but so also is possession of an illegal product. We take solace from the fact that the available data suggests farmers are a compliant group.

We can improve the current system. In the report we looked at maintaining the status quo and the various options provided for under existing legislation. We have suggested that we need a new system, although not with the rigours of POM as it currently operates nor one as open as it is at present.

The Deputy also mentioned POM policy in the UK and France and their usage of antibiotics. One of the issues for Europe to digest is the meaning of prescription only medicine. At present, it means different things for different member states. My understanding is that in the UK the vet must be physically on a farm once a year and that in other member states POM is like a halfway house. I am thinking of France where, for example, the vet is responsible. He or she is given the data from the co-operative. Perhaps that model might be considered by the Department when drafting legislation. As regards drawing a conclusion on the French, UK and Irish positions without delving in to see what happens on the ground, it is beyond the board's competence to pronounce on that topic.

I thank Dr. Beechinor and Mr. O'Mahony for appearing before the committee and for their contributions. I invite them to stay in the public gallery if they so wish.

I welcome the representatives from Veterinary Ireland to the meeting. I welcome Mr. Bosco Cowley, Mr. Paschal Gibbons, Mr. Peadar O'Scannaill, Mr. Damian Barrett and Mr. Peter Bishton. Before I ask Mr. Cowley to make his presentation, I remind members that while they have privilege, the same privilege does not apply to witnesses appearing before the committee. Members are reminded of the long-standing parliamentary practice that members should not comment, criticise or make charges against a person outside the House or an official by name in such a way as to make him or her identifiable. I ask Mr. Cowley to make his introductory remarks.

Thank you, Chairman. I will introduce my colleagues from Veterinary Ireland who are on our delegation. I am accompanied by Mr. Paschal Gibbons, Mr. Peadar O'Scannaill, Mr. Damian Barrett and Mr. Peter Bishton. I thank the committee for the opportunity to make known the views of Veterinary Ireland relating to intramammaries and vaccines. I apologise for a typographical error in my speech - the Irish Medicines Board's report was issued in 1999, not 1997, to the Department of Agriculture and Food. It was begun in 1997. I also convey the apologies of our president, Fintan Graham, who is unable to attend because his mother is seriously ill in hospital. I will refer during my submission to the Irish Medicines Board's report. A number of points in it are used in this position paper.

As regards the existing system, I will outline the anomalies identified in the Irish Medicines Board's report. The current system does not conform with current international scientific opinion on prudent use of antibiotics. The licensed sellers category which exempts intramammary antibiotics from prescription control was considered difficult to justify in the face of mounting scientific opinion for rational use of veterinary antibiotics. We will deal with that issue later.

Current control mechanisms do not give sufficient guarantees of human safety and animal welfare. In that context, it is noteworthy that the mastitis control programmes operated by registered co-operative societies and regulated by health boards have several shortcomings. First, sensitivity testing appears to be greatly under-utilised. The decision to test is left to the individual herd owners. Herd owners do not need to conduct any sensitivity testing. The farmer can self-select the intramammary as a commodity item. Sensitivity testing must be interpreted in the context of the antibiotic distributing and working under the conditions pertaining in the mammary gland at the time. Second, no standardised procedures are operable for the sensitivity tests conducted. Third, there is an absence of verifiable procedures covering all stages from sterile sample collection to testing. The reliability of results generated both within and between laboratories is open to challenge. Fourth, the sensitivity testing data generated are not stored for retrieval of epidemiological information. The term "epidemiological" refers to factors which influence the incidence and dynamics of a disease. Fifth, the choice of the optimum therapy can be influenced by commercial considerations, including the promotion of gift items which are inappropriate. Sixth, the criteria for the competent authority for licensing the mastitis control programmes are not specific and are not uniformly understood by health board personnel. Seventh, the restrictions of the licensing of such programmes to registered co-operative societies may be open to legal challenge.

The system of supply allows co-operatives to sell intramammary tubes from open display, whereas pharmacists and veterinary surgeons are not allowed to place these products on view for sale. This system is anti-competitive. We believe it is inappropriate that any outlet should be in a position to sell intramammary tubes from open display as this encourages the use of products on the basis of appearance and promotion.

We need a new system of supply for intramammaries, principally in order to minimise the likelihood of an increase in the incidence of antibiotic resistance. The proportion of farms with resistance to routine products such as penicillin is higher in Ireland than in Scandinavian countries where controls on usage are rigorous. The incidence of farms on which there exists multi-resistant bacteria is unknown. This is principally because no system of audit currently exists. The emergence of drug resistant strains of bacterial pathogens and the consequences of such resistance for animal and human health is an area for concern. The IMB report states:

Every administration of an antibacterial must be considered as an opportunity for the further development of resistance and this attitude needs to be registered by those who use antibacterials if clinical problems are to be satisfactorily contained.

That statement was based on the opinion of a previous steering committee meeting on antimicrobial resistance in May 1999. This is particularly relevant when the antibiotic is being introduced directly into the food product without metabolism through the animal. The veterinarian is best placed to suggest the most appropriate treatment, monitor its outcome and amend the treatment if necessary. This is because the vet is the only professional with access to the farm and its records and with the ability to assess clinical outcome in tandem with interpreting reports of sensitivity tests carried out.

The antibacterial of choice used for intramammary therapy should be narrow spectrum. A limited selection of antibacterials chosen according to the results from bacteriological diagnoses and sensitivity tests should be used in treatment.

Regarding milking cow tubes, the importance of clinical assessment as part of a mastitis control programme is underlined by certain examples. For example, the inability to cure staphylococcus aureus is not primarily associated with in vitro resistance in laboratory tests or laboratory sensitivity results, but with a variety of complex issues and also for mycotic or fungal infections antibacterial therapy is not required at all. It should be noted that inadequate so-called sensitivity testing may lead to a greater misuse of antibacterials than no sensitivity. I am citing a statement made by Bill Meaney in 1999. The veterinarian is best placed as the farm clinician to avoid this happening and to give advice to the farmer on sampling technique, conditions of transfer of samples to the lab, contamination of samples, husbandry and management of cows to minimise mastitis, all of which are very important.

The treatments of cows at drying off with an antibacterial helps to cure existing sub-clinical infections and to prevent new infections during the dry period. The large-scale use of broad spectrum anti-bacterials or combinations of anti-bacterials may promote the selection of resistance. Nevertheless, the recommendation to use appropriate narrow spectrum dry cow therapy remains until alternative methods of protecting cows in the dry period are available and proven to be efficacious. Again, the choice is determined by sensitivity testing taken in tandem with clinical outcome of a treatment campaign carried out by the vet on the farm.

The introduction of new antibacterials into a herd should not be based on advertisements but on a change in the resistance pattern of the herd. It is essential that records be kept of all animals diagnosed with mastitis and their response to treatment. The farm vet is best placed to judge clinical outcome and advise the farmer on an alternative as the need arises in conjunction with other husbandry-related influences.

Almost all the antibacterials used in intramammaries are also used in human medicine. Direct contact with animals and the consumption of contaminated food of animal origin are recognised to be the main routes of transfer of resistant bacteria from animals to humans. While the issue of antibacterials in animal health is an unquantifiable hazard several professional organisations and scientific bodies have called for more prudent use of antibacterials. This opinion was expressed by the scientific steering committee on antimicrobial resistance and at other conferences on this subject.

Veterinarians are trained in the area of animal health but also in public health. They have a unique understanding of the importance of using appropriate, effective products in the correct way and educating the farmer in the importance of adhering to withdrawal periods.

Quality assurance schemes are taking hold worldwide in all areas of food production and are, in the main, consumer driven. All stakeholders in the production of safe milk need to abandon the concept that milk is safe just if residue tests are negative and focus more on the concept that safe food production is achieved by a partnership approach involving the farmer, the processor and the prescriber. The tests for antibacterial residues in milk collected off dairy farms are qualitative screening tests. While the sensitivity of these tests is excellent in respect of certain antibacterial classes, for example penicillins, it is not equally sensitive to all antibacterial classes. The tests have been developed as screening tests for inhibitory substances and not as quantitative or confirmatory tests for individual antibacterial substances. The tests by their nature cannot accurately quantify residues at the maximum residue limit - MRL - established by the European Union Council Regulation 2377/90. It follows, therefore, that compliance with the milk withdrawal period of an intramammary antibacterial is paramount and should be capable of verification through adequate record keeping of the drug administered. Reliance on the screening tests alone does not guarantee consumer safety because of the problems of detection and assay sensitivity. Nevertheless, the existence of such tests serves as a useful aid to protect the food chain from violative residues. Farmers need to know that the principal reason for adhering to withdrawal period is not merely to avoid being caught by sensitivity testing at the creamery but, more important, that the production of safe wholesome food gives them a sustainable income in a time of serious global competitiveness. We cannot continue to produce milk under the healthy Irish image if foreign consumers discover that the only impetus for quality is avoiding the risk of failing the residue test of the end product.

It is clear that sub-clinical mastitis levels in Irish dairy herds have decreased dramatically in the 1990s, largely as a result of the culling of cows affected by mastitis. Early diagnosis and treatment of clinical mastitis is important in order to increase the rate of recovery and return to normal milk production. Peracute cases, that is really acute cases, may result in death.

Mastitis continues to be one of the primary reasons for culling cows from dairy farms, as indicated in a number of studies. Instituting an actual rather than a nominal mastitis control programme would reduce the incidence of suffering and necessary euthanasia of cows. Culling cows in large quantities is farmers' current mechanisms for dealing with an inadequate mastitis control programme and means that many cows fail to reach their full potential. It is recognised in the IMB report that it has been widely advocated that all antibacterials administered on farms should be used only as part of a comprehensive veterinary health programme which should be a matter of record and available for inspection. Thus, mastitis control is only a small part of a larger picture of herd health with which the veterinarian is intimately involved.

In a previous policy document produced by Veterinary Ireland the concept of a mastitis control programme and its importance was outlined. A copy of that report has been circulated. It is felt that a mastitis control programme should be drafted by a vet for bona fide clients. The following conditions would apply: milk could not be accepted by processors until such a plan is in place; milk-mastitic samples could be stored and sensitivity testing carried out as required to give current and retrospective information; sensitivity data could be stored for epidemiological purposes; choice of therapy would be determined by the veterinarian for bona fide clients, based on assessment of sensitivity tests and taken in conjunction with clinical outcome of treatment on farm - all advertisement of intramammaries should be restricted to professional journals. It is recognised that there is no need for a clinical examination immediately prior to every case of mastitis as long as a mastitis control programme is present on the farm. It is also recognised that no special skill is required in administration of intramammary tubes.

It is the recommendation of Veterinary Ireland that intramammary products be restricted to the prescription only medicine (exempt) - POM(E) - route of supply as defined in the Animal Remedies Regulations, 1996, with one new condition - to make the new system meaningful, such a supply can only be effected if a mastitis control programme is present and working on the farm. We recommend that the Animal Remedies Regulations, 1996, be amended to make this provision a legal requirement, that a farmer cannot obtain or possess either a lactating cow or dry cow intramammary tube except under the terms of POM(E) supply where a mastitis control programme is operational on his or her farm. Thus, the veterinarian decides the quantity and type of product used. This is outlined in writing in the mastitis control plan for a given period and the supply of product could then be effected by the vet or a pharmacist on foot of the recommendations in the plan. All intramammary administrations should be recorded in the animal remedies register, as is the case at present.

All review vaccines are currently licensed under an extension of the Therapeutic Substances Act, 1932. This Act was to be revoked by the Animal Remedies Regulations, 1996. However, a vaccine review had not taken place and would not be complete in time for licensing of products already on the market in 1996. This review is currently under way and will be complete at the end of next year. During the course of this review routes of supply are assigned, packaging is licensed and it has been the recommendation of the Irish Medicines Board, in a previous report to the Minister, that all products be restricted to at least POM(E). Currently these unreviewed vaccines are available from merchants, pharmacists and vets with little if any restriction on supply.

Vaccines are designed to minimise the impact of disease by giving rise to a uniform herd-individual animal immunity. This protection afforded gives rise to better production as well as protecting animal health and welfare. A good immune response is reliant on the reaction of an immunogenic agent and a fully competent immune system. Immunogenicity of the vaccine will be reduced by poor storage or inappropriate administration. Immunocompetence of the animal may be compromised by a variety of factors including poor health, intercurrent disease, parasitism etc., nutritional status, genetic factors, concurrent drug therapy and stress. Under circumstances of heavy disease challenge other factors may need to be addressed to ensure vaccine efficacy.

Vaccines should not be used as a replacement for bad husbandry and their efficacy can be adversely affected in such conditions. Thus, advice on management in terms of hygiene, biosecurity, nutrition etc. may all be essential prior to implementing a vaccination programme. The vet is best placed to provide this advice as part of a herd health programme on the farm. Finally it is also prudent practice to avoid the use of vaccines on a farm if there is no need, no disease challenge and no risk of challenge. Guidance on appropriate usage will minimise the likelihood of farmers succumbing to advertising or other potential sources of misleading advice and vaccinating against diseases which are not the principal cause of problems on their farm.

Disease related losses are still a significant contributor to problems related to animal health and welfare on Irish farms. This does not just relate to production losses in the affected animal, but also relates to increased overheads due to higher therapeutic medicine inputs, increased labour demand and waste of resources. As a trained professional, the veterinarian is best placed to advise on appropriate vaccination programmes, monitor their effectiveness and suggest changes to the protocol or background management as the need arises. Such advice is based on sufficient knowledge of the farm including clinical experience of disease incidence on the farm, carrying out investigations and interpretation of laboratory reports etc. The onus is on the farm veterinarian to promote the welfare of animals and as custodians of animal health, the vet is ideally positioned to diagnose and recommend vaccination programmes for a farm.

Though it is not immediately obvious that the issue of vaccines and their usage has an effect on consumer safety, they play an important indirect role in this area. It is widely established that once vaccines are used appropriately, disease incidence falls. Thus, therapeutic usage of, for example, antibiotics falls. It is therefore in the interest of the consumer that vaccine usage is the mainstay of animal health control. Diseases should be prevented by the implementation of appropriate vaccination schemes rather than depending on therapeutics to limit losses. Certain vaccines are quite hazardous to the user and it is useful to have professional advice at point of sale. Other vaccines have withdrawal periods, another issue which necessitates advice at point of sale.

It is the recommendation of Veterinary Ireland that immunological products - vaccines - for use in ruminant animals be restricted to prescription only medicine (exempt) route of supply as defined in the Animal Remedies Regulations, 1996, with one new condition, namely, that as with intramammaries, such a supply can only be effected if a herd health plan is present and working on the farm. We recommend that the Animal Remedies Regulations, 1996, be amended to make this provision a legal requirement, that is, a ruminant farmer cannot obtain or possess a vaccine except under the terms of POM(E) supply where a herd health plan is operational on his or her farm. Thus, the veterinarian decides the quantity and type of product used. This is outlined in writing in the herd health plan for a given period and the supply of product could then either be effected by the vet or a pharmacist on foot of the recommendations in the plan. Veterinary Ireland would also advocate that newly licensed vaccines, which are now automatically being assigned a POM route of supply, be assigned to the above supply terms as soon as possible after time of license issue.

Obviously this provision does not apply in the case of vaccines for use in an eradication programme which Veterinary Ireland deems should be supplied on a POM basis. All vaccines used must be recorded in the animal remedies register as is currently the case.

The successful operation of a herd health plan designed and implemented by a veterinarian for his or her bona fide client must meet the following conditions: regular visits by the attending veterinary surgeon to advise on optimum vaccine usage or methods of mastitis control and to monitor antibacterial usage; review of the previous period would also take place before making recommendations for the forthcoming season; products to be used by the farmer would only be on the recommendation of the veterinarian in terms of choice and quantity. This would form part of the mastitis control herd health plan and good record keeping by the farmer is essential.

Additionally, in the case of a mastitis control plan the following conditions would apply: regular bacteriological and resistance monitoring of the herd participating in the mastitis control programme is essential; and application of the recognised principles for mastitis control and prevention as outlined in the Veterinary Ireland report on intramammaries. When these conditions have been met, a plan is deemed to be successfully in place, and the supply of intramammary tubes-vaccines can be effected with the ultimate goal of use being scientifically justified etc. as outlined above.

Veterinary Ireland hopes this report will help the committee in understanding the issues on the supply of vaccines and intramammary medicines and we wish to thank you for your attention.

Thank you. Would you like to take all the questions together?

I will listen to the questions and appoint one of my colleagues to answer them.

I thank Mr. Cowley and the group from Veterinary Ireland for meeting us. I also thank the Irish Medicines Board for being present. I apologise for not attending the meeting earlier.

Does Veterinary Ireland have evidence of the use, abuse or misuse of intramammaries? I am not aware of any such evidence. Do we have tangible evidence that this has a negative impact on the consumer? I will read the submission later. Are the witnesses concerned that farmers will now have to contact the vet regarding the dangers to animal welfare? It strikes me, regarding the third point in their introductory remarks, that it would be more appropriate for the co-operatives to take the tubes off display rather than displaying them. I have not heard that argument before. Perhaps my view of this matter will change when I have studied all the documents. This is akin to a mother being told she must attend the doctor every time she wishes to administer Calpol, Anadin etc. to her children. It seems to be bringing us to a prescriptive level which will only increase input costs and have a negative effect at the end of the day. Vets should not be involved in such small, technical or relatively unimportant matters. Is there a case for veterinary technicians or some other group doing this instead of preoccupying vets with the matter? There is a shortage of vets in the country.

I thank Mr. Cowley for the presentation. I would like the opportunity to digest it further because it contains important scientific and practical details. Sensitivity testing is important. Above all we want to avoid residues being carried over into the food chain and the development of resistant bacteria. Mr. Cowley stated that sensitivity testing appears to be under-utilised. Will he outline the current procedure and why he thinks it is under-utilised? He also stated there are no standardised procedures for the sensitivity tests. I would have thought they were straightforward. I acknowledge what he said about standardised laboratory procedures but would these not be commonplace if sensitivity testing has any validity?

According to the presentation, the proportion of farms resistant to routine products such as penicillin is higher in Ireland than in Scandinavian countries. From where was this data generated and why? In regard to mycotic infections, the point was made that anti-bacterials should not be used indiscriminately because of the risk of something being a mycotic infection. How frequent do mycotic infections cause mastitis and how common is the misuse of anti-bacterials?

I also welcome the deputation and thank them for their detailed submission which will need reflection. Who and what is Veterinary Ireland? I am not sure of its background and beg pardon for my ignorance. The deputation's attitude towards the farmer is similar to that of the IMB which was here already. Both seem to treat the farmer as if he or she is an imbecile who has not progressed with the times. Farmers are now a professional and highly educated commercial group whose main priority is to produce good quality food which can be sold safely both in Ireland and on the world market. Veterinary Ireland implies that farmers are not capable of doing that or of taking care of animal health and welfare. A further implication is that this has an effect on public health.

It was also said that certain vaccines are hazardous to the user. Is there evidence that humans are suffering as a result of this and to what extent does it affect the public? This would be of concern to all of us. Could this be a scare tactic being used to penalise the farming community? Both reports today attempt to do that and this is another attempt to drive farmers off the land. The structure of farming in Ireland is different from that on the Continent or in Britain. Farming here is made up of a lot of small farms. Who will pay for the implementation of the programmes both groups have put forward? This is another attempt to drive farmers off the land by stealth.

Veterinary Ireland is a body which represents the practising profession. The practising profession used to be represented by two organisations, the Irish Veterinary Association and the Irish Veterinary Union. In 2000, the two organisations decided the veterinary profession would be best represented by one voice. The two organisations dissolved and a new organisation, known as Veterinary Ireland, was born. The structure of the organisation is that it represents all areas of practice. It is made up of a national council which has representatives from various different areas of practice - an equine group, a cattle group and various others. The opinions of those various groups feed into special interest committees. I am chairman of the animal remedies committee. On our committee we have representatives of each of the various groups of practising vets.

Local authority vets are also involved in Veterinary Ireland and are part of the organisation. They are associate members rather than being actual members, relating to constitutional issues rather than anything else. We also have some non-practitioners involved. Certain members of the Department are members on their own initiative rather than that of the overall group of Department vets which is still outside the organisation.

Mr. Peter Bishton

I do not have anything further to add other than, as Bosco Cowley mentioned already, we try to integrate all aspects, practitioner and non-practitioner, into the six sub-committees, including those on animal remedies and animal welfare. The six interest groups represent practitioner and non-practitioner. The six sub-committees have views from all aspects of veterinary practice whether practitioners themselves or involved in education, research, local authority or the State sector. Basically, Veterinary Ireland has been operating since 1 January 2001.

I will deal with Deputy Timmins's first question regarding going to the doctor every time and asking why we should be involved at a prescriptive level. What we have proposed in our submission is that this should not be the case. One of the points made is that we recognise that a clinical diagnosis by a vet is not necessary prior to every administration of a tube. De facto, we recognise that a prescription-only medicine system of supply for intramammaries is not workable either from our point of view in terms of labour inputs and bodies on the ground or that of the farmer involved. Mastitis tends to be diagnosed at milking time and one could not deal with 30, 40 or 50 farmers calling into one's practice then. The manpower does not exist to deal with so many cases on a daily basis.

We are not suggesting that the product should be on prescription only. We are promoting the concept of a herd health plan, part of which for a dairy farm involves a mastitis control plan. We would set out the quantity and type of tubes to be used over a period of time. This would not necessitate a visit by a vet unless requested by the farmer if something was going wrong. At the end of that period the vet would visit the farmer again and review the data from the previous period. We are not interested in going out to deal with every little case. That is not our remit.

Mr. Damian Barrett

Relating to Senator Upton's query, the proportion of cases of mycotic mastitis would be small.

What is more important is the in vitro, that is the laboratory diagnosis stating that a bacterium is sensitive to a particular antibiotic in vivo - in the animal itself - and that the antibiotic may not work for a variety of reasons. These include the infection sequestered or walled off within an abscess within the udder. The staphorius itself is an intracellular organism and the antibiotic cannot get access to it. In terms of how often sensitivity testing is carried out, I do not think it is done routinely on any farm unless a problem arises. I am sure there are exceptions but farmers would not routinely carry out a sensitivity test before treating a case. If a case fails to resolve for whatever reason and maybe for the reasons I have outlined - there might be an infection walled off within an abscess - the farmer may then submit a sample for analysis. The normal run of the mill case is not subject to sensitivity.

Relating to the final query regarding standard procedures, that is really a reflection of what Dr. Beechinor said earlier regarding the validation between labs whereby one can get various results from various labs and the tests in the current labs are not validated to a set level right across all labs providing the data. In the absence of a validation or a system whereby labs are all singing from the same hymn sheet or using the same standards, we can safely say there are no standard procedures right across the various labs that carry out sensitivity testing. I believe that deals with the Deputy's queries.

Yes, that answers my question.

I dealt with the issue raised by Senator Coonan and I presume the Senator is happy enough with that. Regarding our attitude towards the farmer, we absolutely and in no sense believe that farmers are imbeciles. Under no circumstance would we agree with the comment that we are saying farmers are uneducated or lack professionalism. After all, they are our clients and the people who supply us with our professional income and as such we feel we have more to offer them, not just in the area of emergency or fire brigade service but more in the area of preventative medicine with a view to improving their income. What we are trying to do is minimise losses. We are not interested in providing a fire brigade service on an ongoing basis. It is an important part of our current practice but it is much more useful and professional and would be in line with our training if we were involved in preventative health care programmes.

The issue of running farmers off the land and the fact that most farms are now small relates to income. As scientific professionals we cannot support the current system of distribution of intramammaries on a commercial basis because that argumentation is totally commercial. Relating to their falling for advertising or whatever, which you say is veiled in our presentation, if advertisements did not work pharmaceutical companies would not get involved. For instance, in this week's edition of The Irish Farmers' Journal there is an intramammary tube promotion whereby if one buys a certain number of tubes one could win a trailer. If those promotions did not sell tubes I am sure the pharmaceutical companies would not be interested in getting involved. We are not saying under any circumstances that all farmers fall within that remit. We recognise that the majority of farmers are serious professional people interested in animal health and welfare, in producing good, wholesome food and in ensuring the protection of the consumer. We are trying to minimise the likelihood of attraction of the rest - in other words there will be a proportion of farmers who will fall for advertising and we do not advocate that.

Similarly, on the issue of open display, there will be a decision made on the basis of the appearance of a beautiful stand or the offer of jackets, musical hats, electric screwdrivers and other promotional items. We are of the opinion that mastitis tubes are antibiotics and not a commodity item. They cannot be compared to Daz, Ariel or dishwasher liquid. They are an antimicrobial and they are being introduced into animals and into a product which will be taken by consumers. We are not saying farmers are shysters or cowboys who are breaking the law or that huge amounts of residue are being produced. My document will show that I hardly address the issue of residues because we recognise that the incidence of residues is low. The only problem we have with residues is that the current test is not a safe custodian at the gate; we should be the custodian at the gate in terms of the development of antibiotic resistance.

Mr. Paschal Gibbons

I would like to make a few comments and answer some of the questions. Senator Coonan asked about our attitude to farmers. Farmers are our clients and friends. It is in our interest that they stay in business. We are certainly not trying to dream up a scheme that will drive our clients out of business because that would be professional suicide. As farmers get fewer and the farms get larger they are better educated and able to do more themselves. The basic principle and the important point to make is that antibiotic usage leads to antibiotic resistance. If bacteria are not exposed to antibiotics they will not develop resistance to them. Whether the antibiotics are used in veterinary or human medicine there will be resistance to them. Doctors can blame vets or the farmers and vets can blame doctors, but the fact is that the use of antibiotics creates resistance and that is why their use must be controlled.

Under the current system used in Ireland, antibiotics as intramammaries are freely advertised and freely available. This inevitably leads to imprudent and over use. Antibiotics are freely available to the farmer who has a clinical case of mastitis. He will use the treatment without thinking about why the cow got mastitis in the first place. In other words, there is too much emphasis on treatment rather than on prevention. Veterinary practitioners are often guilty of the same thing; when we are called out to clinical cases we will concern ourselves with the clinical case without getting involved in what could possibly be a heart problem. The free availability of intramammaries is a consequence of that and it makes it easier to get involved in therapy.

Those who defend the current system say that we test the end product which is the milk going to the creamery, and if it passes that test then everything must be fine. That process is quality control and it has serious limitations. The test may not always be accurate. There are certain antibiotics used in intramammaries which the test will not identify. The test is quite sensitive for penicillins and possibly over-sensitive in some cases but there are many antibiotics which it will not pick up. If the milk passes the test that does not mean the farmer used the correct tube, that he followed the correct course or that the treatment was used properly. That does not say the former does not have a mastitis problem on the farm or that he or she has a mastitis control plan in place. Testing the end product has serious limitations.

In today's modern food industry our emphasis should be on prevention and quality assurance. This means going back to the farm and looking at the processes the farmer is using in the production of that food. That is real quality control and it is being introduced in most operations now. That system can be introduced into the farm by the installation of a proper mastitis control plan with the emphasis on prevention rather than on treatment. The vet should be the main person to install a mastitis control programme because he or she is ideally placed and qualified to do so. Obviously, the co-operative will have a role to play in testing the machine and conducting tests on the milk for somatic cell counts, antibiotic residues and so on. Other bodies such as Teagasc have a role in training farmers in relation to these schemes. If farmers were obliged to implement a proper mastitis control plan, they would certainly benefit greatly as there are substantial hidden costs associated with clinical and sub-clinical mastitis. Under such a plan, farmers would probably require less visits by their vets as there would be fewer clinical cases. As well as the saving on cost to the farmer, the co-ops would also benefit from the supply of better quality milk to produce better quality food. That would be more in the interest of co-ops than trying to sell more intramammaries. In the final analysis, that approach would be better for consumers and for public health, which should be our main concern. The only sector which would lose out from the implementation of proper mastitis control plans on farms would be the pharmaceutical industry, which would sell less product. We must take a responsible and scientifically balanced approach. We have outlined a very practical approach. Suggestions that a vet would have to be called out every time a cow gets mastitis are simply red herrings. That is not what we want and we agree it is impractical. As a practitioner with a practical approach, I believe our very practical submission would benefit the dairy and food industries.

Thank you, Mr. Gibbons.

I refer to Mr. Cowley's statement. Is it being suggested, just because farmers may purchase quantities of antibiotics in response to special offers, that they are using those products even if there is no mastitis problem in their herds?

Mr. Barrett

May I comment? Given what we know to be a professional and astute approach by farmers, it does not strike me as a very good business decision to buy something which one does not need and to keep it on the shelf beyond its expiry date. There was a misnomer which I wish to clarify. We are concerned with the field of veterinary medicine that aims to optimise economic return through good animal welfare, food safety and so on. I would not be involved in these proceedings if I believed that our approach would in any way harm our farmer clients on whom we depend for our income. Our objective is to help our clients. The day a vet departs from that objective is the day he may shut up shop. Our basic approach is to reduce the usage of antibiotics, thereby reducing the resistance problem and the economic loss involved. That loss occurs on a number of fronts. In addition to the obvious loss of money in the purchase of antibiotics, there are even more significant losses involved. Milk has to be discarded during treatment and for the duration of the withdrawal period. The loss of yield is more significant still. For a mild case of mastitis, the loss in yield is reckoned at approximately 5%. For an average 1,500 gallon cow - I apologise for switching between gallons and litres - that equates to a loss of 75 to 80 litres and, at 30 cent per litre, that represents real monetary loss. The ultimate aim of reducing the incidence of mastitis is to make farming more profitable.

I fully agree with the previous speaker. However, unless I misunderstood an earlier comment, there was a suggestion that farmers were buying antibiotics simply in response to special offers. Any such suggestion would be unfair to farmers.

I will allow a brief supplementary from Senator Coonan.

Has Veterinary Ireland discussed its proposals with the farming organisations or does it intend to do so?

Mr. Peadar Ó Scannaill

In relation to Senator Scanlon's question, the suggestion is not that a farmer would buy antibiotic tubes simply on the basis of special offers. At present, if a farmer has a cow with mastitis and he goes to his co-op to purchase a tube of antibiotic to treat the condition, he is being directed towards one product or another, depending on whatever product is being advertised in conjunction with a draw for a trailer, as in this week's Irish Farmers’ Journal. We are not saying the farmer does not need a tube but that he should have correct advice as to which tube he should purchase, rather than purchasing a particular product on the basis that he might also enter a draw for a trailer. Mr. Cowley’s point in referring to the advertisement in question was that, at the moment, there is a lack of correct advice as to which tube should be used. As was mentioned earlier by the Irish Medicines Board, tubes produced by different companies under different names often contain the very same antibiotic. On returning to his co-op, a farmer who has already used a particular antibiotic but still has a problem may be offered a different brand with the opportunity of entering a draw, but in fact the antibiotic is the same as before. That is our concern.

Quite a number of antibiotics which are available across the counter in Britain and Northern Ireland are available only on prescription in this country.

The issue of rural supply is somewhat muddied in terms of uniformity of definition. This has been discussed at European level and our Department had hoped for the introduction of a level of uniformity at EU level. In this country, "prescription only" medicine involves a requirement for an immediately prior clinical examination. That requirement does not apply in the UK. In France, "prescription only" can operate on the basis that a vet works for a group of several co-ops and, effectively, there is no direct tie to a bona fide client. By comparison, we operate under a very tight definition in Ireland but what we are proposing is by no means "prescription only" medicine. I am not sure if the Deputy was present for the earlier discussion on this.

I missed the earlier debate.

Under no circumstances are we interested in having a system of supply of intramammaries under prescription only medicine. That is not workable. In our experience, an immediately prior clinical examination, though necessary in a situation where cows are being dried off, is not practical in all situations. We recognise that the required manpower is not there. Mastitis is mainly detected at milking time and it is simply not practical for farmers to wait for a vet to deal with 30 or 40 other clients before they can use an antibiotic tube at milking time. There are not enough vets in the country for that and even if more vets were brought in from abroad, it would still not facilitate that approach. What we are proposing is a workable approach whereby we implement a mastitis control programme for a period. It can be defined in legislation as being sufficiently often to enable the vet to have sufficient knowledge of a herd, depending on herd size and other relevant factors. The plan would set out the appropriate usage of product for a specified period at the end of which there would be a review process. On the basis of the assessment at that stage, further recommendations would be made.

I thank Mr. Cowley and his colleagues from Veterinary Ireland for their presentation and for the information provided to the committee.

There was one question which was not addressed. Senator Coonan asked if we had conveyed our views to the farming organisations. My apologies, Chairman, I want to address this. We relayed our views on the issue of intramammaries and this system, which we felt was workable, to the Department of Agriculture and Food because it is the ultimate licensing body and the decision making body as to how the legislation will go, and the licensing body of the IMB. The Department will decide which way the legislation will go.

We were asked for a submission in January 2001 regarding what we felt was a workable system of intramammary distribution. We did not give a position paper but outlined our views on it. We made it clear that we wanted to put in place a system which was for prescription only medicine, but only on the condition that a mastitis control programme was in place. At the time, officials from the Department of Agriculture and Food said to us that they would have to talk to the other stakeholders in the game and would then revert to us six weeks later. When foot and mouth disease came along, the whole thing was left on hold.

I again thank the delegation. We have had a very healthy debate which was helpful to members.

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