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JOINT COMMITTEE ON ARTS, SPORT, TOURISM, COMMUNITY, RURAL AND GAELTACHT AFFAIRS díospóireacht -
Wednesday, 19 Mar 2003

Vol. 1 No. 6

Commission for Communications Regulation: Presentation.

The joint committee was asked to hold a meeting with the Commission for Communications Regulation. Given Eircom's recent publication of its proposals in the press, An Post's proposal to introduce roadside letter boxes and ongoing concerns about issues such as the price of petrol in rural areas, I was enthusiastic about meeting the commission. While the Commission for Communications Regulation does not strictly come under the remit of this committee the question of rural landlines, like the other issues I mentioned, impacts on rural and community development.

I welcome the delegation and invite its members to introduce themselves. When the delegation has made its presentation members of the committee will put questions.

Mr. John Doherty

I apologise on behalf of our chairperson, Etain Doyle, who is indisposed today and is unable to attend. However, Ms Isolde Goggin and myself, the two other commissioners, are here to represent the commission. I am accompanied by Mr. Eric Tomkins, the manager for consumer management, who is the expert in the area of universal service obligation. We have brought a reasonable team and we are delighted to be here for an exchange of views on this issue.

I thank the Chairman, again, for the invitation to set out in some detail how the provision of telecommunications service throughout the country is and will continue to be guaranteed through the principle of universal service and, in particular, its impact on rural areas. The commission would like to stress that, despite what may have been in the press, we see the existing procedures continuing as they are and, if anything, being enhanced rather than curtailed.

I will provide the joint committee with a brief outline of ComReg's role in the area of universal service provision and give some background on the current universal service obligations, which were placed on Eircom, the designated provider, originally in 1999. I will then address ComReg's specific proposals for updating the universal service regime, as set out in our recent public consultation. These proposals arise mainly as a result of the recent adoption of the EU's new directive on universal service and users' rights and the subsequent publication by the Department of Communications, Marine and Natural Resources of the draft transposing regulations. There has been some recent comments in the newspapers on this issue. Therefore, it is topical to try to address it here.

The obligation to supply telephone and other universal services will continue in the future irrespective of who is the designated provider. ComReg's current review of the existing regime has been triggered by EU developments in this area, which seek to enhance the existing European universal service framework. ComReg's role is to ensure these enhancements are incorporated into the Irish regime. In certain cases this will involve the consent of the Minister for Communications, Marine and Natural Resources.

It is useful to start by explaining universal service, its objectives and ComReg's role in this area. People's ability to get access to a basic set of telecommunications service is important for full social and economic inclusion. That is why in Ireland and other countries the concept of universal service exists. The specific objectives of the telecommunication universal service regime is to ensure every person can reasonably expect to receive a basic set of services, such as a telephone line and a telephone book, irrespective of geographic location and at an affordable price. One of the specific objectives of ComReg, as set out in the Communications Regulation Act 2002, is to promote the interests of users, in particular to ensure all users have access to a universal service. In practice, this means we are responsible for deciding on the scope of the services which form part of the universal service obligation and for deciding which operator or operators should be responsible for meeting these obligations. As I mentioned earlier, in certain instances this requires the consent of the Minister for Communications, Marine and Natural Resources. Our role in this area is carried out in light of specific responsibilities set out in other national legislation and I will touch on these later.

I will give a brief background to the current universal service obligation, regime. The framework governing the existing USO regime principally stems from the Voice Telephony and Universal Service Regulations 1999 (SI 71 of 1999). These regulations required the then director to designate one or more fixed telecommunications operators to guarantee the provision of a minimum set of services and to designate the geographic area or areas of the State in which the universal service obligation applies along with the services to which the designation refers.

In May 1999, following a public consultation process Eircom, then Telecom Éireann, was designated by the ODTR as a universal service provider required to fulfil the following obligations: to ensure that any request is met, in so far as the fixed operator considers it reasonable, for connection to the fixed public telephone network; to ensure that one or more subscriber directories - telephone books - are available to users; to keep a record of all subscribers in the State, including those with fixed, mobile and personal numbers and to provide public pay telephones in sufficient numbers, taking into account the population density in the geographic area or areas, to satisfy all reasonable needs for such services throughout such area or areas.

In summary, the services to be provided as part of the USO include a basic telephone connection, the phone book, a directory inquiry service and the provision of public pay phones. Eircom is obliged to supply these services to all areas of the State. ComReg has, as required, established a further specific regime to ensure the quality standards for the services mentioned are maintained, to the ultimate benefit of the consumer.

Current development involves the introduction of new legislation governing USO. ComReg's current review of the universal service framework has been driven by this new legislation. A new EU framework was adopted by the Council of the European Union on 14 February 2002 for the provision of electronic communications throughout the internal market. The new framework consists of a package of five directives which reflect technological and economic changes and which attempt to further harmonise the regulation of electronic communications. Of particular relevance to today's discussion is the Directive on Universal Service and End Users Rights.

All EU member states are now obliged to adopt national legislation implementing the directives by 24 July 2003 except for the data protection directive. In December 2002 the Department of Communications, Marine and Natural Resources issued its consultation on draft legislation which seeks to transpose the universal service directive. The regulations, many of which apply to operators other than the universal service provider, deal with measures concerning the provision of universal service and the protection of end users.

Following from this ComReg initiated a consultation process in December 2002 which outlined the updated universal service obligations and made a number of proposals as to how to implement these. We have received a number of responses to the consultation which are currently being considered. The principal aim behind our consultation process is to address the question of how ComReg should decide, in practical terms, to implement the measures set out in the regulations which are designed to ensure the provision of a minimum set of services throughout the country.

The responses we have received are being assessed and these will help focus the issues and ultimately provide greater clarity for consumers regarding universal service provision and the designated provider's role in this regard. It is also worth noting that in February 2003 a further consultation was issued by ComReg which deals with other aspects of the regulations concerning obligations which may be applied to all operators in the interests of protecting end users. Issues such as complaint handling procedures and the publication of quality of service information were addressed in this consultation.

I will now provide some more specific details on what the measures proposed in our consultation on universal service will mean for Irish consumers, including those who live in rural areas.

What is a universal service? We are striving to ensure we cover all the elements. The underlying principle of universal service is particularly relevant to persons who by virtue of their location in Ireland may not receive a service were it to be provided under normal commercial conditions. The universal service framework is designed to protect such users, including those on low incomes, and to ensure they have access to essential services.

As I stated earlier, in Ireland, the concept of universal service provides that every person can reasonably expect to receive a basic set of telecommunications services no matter where they live, at an affordable price. These basic services include telephone access at a fixed location, the provision of directory inquiry services and a phone book and the provision of public pay phones. ComReg has made these proposals to deal with the implementation of the obligations set out under the new framework. I will now go briefly through a number of these.

A fundamental issue for those living in rural areas is the ability to get a telephone line. In essence, the universal service operator is required to provide consumers with a telephone line and access to calling services. From time to time, ComReg receives complaints regarding the provision of telephone lines. However, in the main, these are ultimately resolved with the operator concerned.

Currently, the USO operator, Eircom, in providing a telephone line is responsible for deciding on the reasonableness of a request from a consumer for a telephone connection. In the majority of cases, the universal service provider should not have any significant difficulty in providing network connections throughout the country. However, in some remote areas the provider may not have a network presence and the cost of building out the network to meet these obligations may not be "reasonable" in light of the standard installation charge, currently €129.99, that applies to new connections. As a consequence, any attempt to describe the concept of reasonableness in relation to the supply of standard services cannot be absolute and must be dealt with on a case by case basis.

Under the draft legislation, ComReg can, with the consent of the Minister for Communications, Marine and Natural Resources, specify requirements to be complied with by the USO provider in meeting its obligations to provide access to the telephone network. In particular this could include the reasonableness of requests for connection to the network and for access to universal services and the capability of the line to allow functional Internet access, having regard to prevailing technologies used by the majority of subscribers and to technological feasibility. Unlike the existing regime, in future ComReg will be in a position to specify requirements regarding the reasonableness of a request for a telephone line. In such circumstances the USO provider would be required to deliver a telephone line.

In dealing with this aspect ComReg has made proposals which are designed to increase the level of transparency for consumers in their dealings with the universal service provider, thereby allowing them to directly enforce their rights when seeking to obtain a telephone line. Such proposals include the publication of clear requirements governing the universal service provider's obligation to meet all "reasonable" requests for access. These may include, among other things, the terms and conditions upon which a connection to the network and access to services will be provided, situations where ComReg can require the provision of a line and a basis upon which a determination regarding the reasonableness of a request for access can be made.

ComReg has also proposed that these requirements should be captured in a wider policy statement to be published by the USO provider, and approved by ComReg, which would govern how it will deliver services under the USO. Again, the benefit of this approach is that it clearly sets out the circumstances under which a telephone line must be provided. Should disputes arise regarding the provision of a line the USO operator is obliged to notify the customer of his or her right to pursue the matter further through the dispute resolution procedures established by ComReg.

ComReg has made other proposals to deal with the functional Internet access requirements. Given the growth in dial-up Internet access in recent years, the speed of data transmission over networks has become of increasing importance to users, particularly where it involves access to e-commerce or e-government services. One measure proposed by ComReg is to require that the telephone connection is capable of adequately supporting the transmission of data. In addition, it is proposed that the universal service provider, USP, publish a statement setting out the factors which can reasonably affect the performance of its network and thus the data rate available to the end user.

I must stress that once designated, the new universal service provider will be required to meet its obligations in the light of the requirements specified by ComReg in the provision of telephone access. There is no question of the abandonment of obligations. Regardless of which operator or operators are designated as the universal service provider, the obligation to provide a universal service is a legislative requirement.

The existing universal service operator, Eircom, must ensure public payphones are provided in sufficient numbers to satisfy all reasonable needs for such services. In the past two years Eircom has embarked on a payphone rationalisation programme designed to reduce the number of uneconomic payphone kiosks. As a general rule, the rationalisation effort has focused on multiple site payphones. A single site payphone presence has been maintained at most sites. During this time it has become clear that demand for public payphones has decreased, mainly as fixed and mobile phone penetration rates have increased. As of the second quarter of 2002, Eircom's payphone numbers stand at 6,685. There are probably at least another 3,000 in other hands.

Nonetheless, payphones continue to provide a key service for many people living in rural areas and have an important social function. In a changing market, it is important, therefore, that the future regulatory framework for public payphones continues to balance the needs of consumers with those of public payphone providers. For this reason, ComReg has brought forward proposals on a number of new measures and controls to ensure the number and coverage of public payphones are carefully maintained and monitored.

In line with the new framework, ComReg has proposed that the public payphone USP should provide an annual published statement on its payphone strategy which would outline, for example, the number of payphones by county and their location in each county and the operator's payphone rationalisation plans. This is related to the issue of clarity and transparency in the ongoing developments. In addition, if the operator plans any changes to its public payphone strategy, it should provide sufficient notification of this to ComReg. This would allow for a period of consultation with ComReg and other interested parties, if necessary. The consultation also includes a proposal to establish a ratio or quota system of payphone provision which would ensure the requirement to provide a total number of payphones was not met just through the provision of payphones in high revenue locations.

ComReg has also proposed more formalised processes for the USP to publish a notice where it intends to remove or resite a payphone and allow a period for local communities to make representations to the provider concerned. This process could also set out the specific instances where the consent of ComReg would be required and whether single site USO public payphones would be subject only to the guidelines. We will seek to develop these guidelines in the coming months which may involve further consultation.

Under the existing obligation, the USO must ensure provision of the telephone book and a directory inquiry service, all of which are supported by the operation of the national directory database, the list of all subscriber numbers in the State for those users who have not refused inclusion in the directory. The obligations under the new framework are largely the same, although ComReg has sought views on a proposal to provide the directory in CD format, a service which may prove beneficial to business users. Specific measures have been proposed to ensure disabled users can avail of universal services equivalent to that enjoyed by other users. To name but a few, these include text relay services or amplifier phones for the hearing impaired, and Braille billing for users with restricted vision.

For the basic set of services I have outlined, ComReg has proposed that Eircom continue in its capacity as the universal service provider, having regard to its market share, the ubiquity of its network and its considerable experience in providing the directory and payphone services. The consultation did include, however, an invitation to other operators to put themselves forward to become Ireland's designated universal service provider for all or part of the basic set of services. A further important point to note is that ComReg has proposed that the universal service obligations should be applied to the whole geographic area of the State.

In the area of control of expenditure for consumers, ComReg has also proposed a number of measures to ensure subscribers can monitor and control expenditure and avoid unwarranted disconnection from the network. These measures include a minimum level of itemised billing free of charge, selective call barring and the phased payment of connection fees. Such measures would be of benefit to all users, particularly vulnerable consumers.

Eircom, the designated USO, has requested funding towards the cost of its existing USO. ComReg is reviewing whether the costs associated with the existing universal service obligation justify the activation of a funding mechanism. ComReg is awaiting further information from the incumbent USO operator prior to making a final determination. It also intends to shortly carry out a separate consultation on the matter of costing and financing of universal service obligations in the light of the provisions contained in the new framework. A universal service provider may receive compensation for the net cost of meeting the universal service obligations where, on the basis of a net cost calculation, ComReg determines that the provider is subject to an unfair burden. If appropriate, compensation will be funded by a sharing mechanism administered by ComReg or an independent body.

As members are aware, ComReg's preliminary consultation on the future universal service framework closed in February. All responses, including those received from industry, consumer representative groups, special interest groups and consumers, will be considered by ComReg in reaching a decision on the framework. We expect to issue our decision in May 2003, although further consultation may be appropriate, if necessary.

I thank the Chairman and members of the committee for their time and attention. I have not been able to mention everything we are doing in the area but I think my presentation has been quite extensive. We have tried to outline the salient parts of what we are trying to do in this area. I hope I have dealt with all the issues of current importance. We will be happy to answer any further questions. I emphasise once again that there is no question of abandoning universal service obligations which are a legislative requirement. Regardless of which operator or operators are designated as the USO provider, this must ensure every person throughout the country can be reasonably provided with essential services such as a telephone line.

That was a very comprehensive report and worthwhile for us to have in front of us. Speaking for myself, although I know a number of the members of this committee also come from rural backgrounds, it is terrible to read day after day in the newspapers that post offices are going to close, that post will not be delivered to one's house, and that one will not even have a telephone line that is particularly important for areas where the provision of enhanced universal services is essential in terms of maintaining rural populations. Does the USO apply throughout the geographical area of the State? Perhaps the delegation would outline any existing limitations in that regard. With regard to S.I. No. 71 of 1999, was that primarily of national or European origin? Where the phrase "operator or operators" is used, is it clear at this stage whether there will be just one or more operators involved in the provision of USO, now and in the future?

I took particular note of the point which was made on data transmission, that "one proposed measure would require that the telephone connection is capable of adequately supporting the transmission of data." I strongly endorse the view of the commission in that regard, in terms of facilitating those who wish to work from home and ensuring the availability of the necessary infrastructure for the establishment of business enterprises and the support of local economies. That is an important aspect of counteracting the view that it is not an economic proposition to promote development in rural areas.

With regard to public pay phones, what are the criteria for upkeep, apart from the initial criteria for their provision? Such services are an important feature in many villages to a degree which may not be equally applicable in larger urban areas, having regard to the lack of mobile phone coverage in some areas. Some societies rely entirely on pay phones, even in this day and age. They are also an important facility for tourists.

I compliment the delegation on a very fine, informative and easily understood presentation. I have just a few simple questions. In interpreting the statement that there would be no deterioration in the service to any part of Ireland, is that in comparison to what existed prior to privatisation? Who would adjudicate on what is a reasonable request for connection to the network or to the universal services?

I agree the presentation by the commissioners has been very useful. I am heartened to note they are clearly identifying the needs of rural communities, particularly the elderly and the economically disadvantaged. I heartily welcome their approach to catering for the consumer. I refer to a few issues, including the one raised by our Chairman on pay phones. I have noticed the disappearance of pay phones in the west Kerry Gaeltacht, which were used to a great extent by tourists and by young people attending the Coláistí Gaeilge. While I appreciate that mobile phones are now much more widely used, I ask the commission to give particular attention to the availability of public phones in Gaeltacht areas such as west Kerry, with which I am particularly familiar.

With regard to the benefit to Eircom, as the service provider in this case, is that based on market share? I note the commission has identified other companies which can make a similar contribution and receive recognition. However, on the recent announcement by Eircom of its intention to make it much more expensive for people in rural areas to connect to the fixed line system, what is the reason for that, having regard to the possibility for negotiation where it can be shown there is hardship or economic disadvantage? Statements in that regard by Eircom should not be made without proper consultation with the commission. Did Eircom consult the commission before making that statement? In my experience, having regard to the calls I receive, those who need fixed phone lines are generally older people, for whom mobile phones are not necessarily the appropriate choice. I would welcome the comments of the commission on that.

I join my colleagues in complimenting Mr. Doherty on his comprehensive and informative presentation. I wish to raise a few points of clarification. Where the installation of a connection might fall foul of planning laws, such as in a scenic area, has the universal provider obligations to look at an alternative, such as an underground cabling system? Obviously, that would add to the cost, but would it be seen as a reasonable option?

Where a tenant of a property applies for a connection, is there any difference in treatment of that application from what is, by definition, a short-term occupant, as compared to an application from a property owner? For example, is there a specified minimum period of tenancy or lease on the property concerned?

On the question of operators other than Eircom having the right to provide installations under the universal service obligation, would that have any implications for the local loop? In such situations, would the copper cable system be available to all operators? Is any change envisaged from the present situation whereby that system is, effectively, the property of Eircom? With regard to the commission's reference to a possible need for further consultation in May 2003, does that relate to a need which is already identified at this stage or is it simply included to cover some eventuality which might arise. Could there be a considerable interval before there is a final decision in that regard? In the interim period before a final decision is made and implemented, is it a fair assumption that the current situation will continue to apply?

On the costing aspect, does the commission envisage any situation in which taxpayers would be expected to provide funding for either a universal service operator or operators? Is it envisaged that such operator might consider the operation too costly and decide to seek help from the State or, on the other hand, is it the intention that any such costs would be passed on to other users?

I apologise for not being here for the presentation and ask forgiveness if my questions are a little simplistic.

Is it correct that having the universal service obligation, as Eircom currently has, is perceived as a commercial advantage? I have heard that Eircom is seeking to rid itself of the obligation. Does the new regime mean Eircom will lose its obligations? What is written into the current licence, in regard to the position when Eircom went private, about the public service obligation?

There are refusals for those in rural or isolated communities. Currently, the USO operator, in providing a telephone line, is responsible for deciding on the reasonableness of a request from a consumer for a telephone connection. I would have thought a person cannot technically be denied a telephone. Is that correct and to what extent are people refused?

There has been competition in regard to the directory inquiries service for close to three years. Has that had an impact on the USO?

I am not an expert in this area, but I have several questions to ask. How long are bodies such as Eircom given to provide fixed line services within an area? Having to wait six months or a year for a line bothers people.

At present, there is a reduced need for public pay phones because of mobile phones. What will happen in 20 years, for example, if parents decide that mobile phones are not the best thing for their children? I can envisage such a situation arising. What will happen if demand increases in the future in the context of a relaxation of the public pay phone system at this stage? I accept that my question involves looking well ahead to address future problems.

Mr. Doherty referred to costs and whether appropriate compensation would be funded by a sharing mechanism administered by ComReg. Is there any protection with regard to funds? What might it cost?

We have only a small number of questions for Mr. Doherty and I will hand back to him.

Mr. Doherty

I will let Ms Goggin take some of them.

Ms Isolde Goggin

With regard to the financing of the universal service obligations, my understanding of what appeared in the newspapers is that it was an abstract or a part of Eircom's response to the consultation ComReg is carrying out regarding USO. It is a response to our consultation and we will decide what will be the scope of the universal service. Eircom cannot unilaterally change its definition. It said certain things to us and some of that appeared in the newspapers, which is nothing to do with us. We are carrying out a consultation; we have put our consultation document into the public domain and invited responses. Our understanding is that Eircom was not making a unilateral announcement, but that an extract from what was sent to ComReg in response to the universal service consultation appeared in the media.

The cost of universal service and how it should be paid for is a thorny subject which has been discussed for a long time, with people on different sides saying various things. There is a tendency for operators - not just in Ireland but in Europe, the US and worldwide - to suggest that this is costing them a fortune and that they should be compensated in some way, either by a levy on industry or through taxation or otherwise.

When telecoms regulators have looked at the cost of universal service, they have come to different conclusions in different countries. The UK regulator, Oftel, carried out a major study on the cost of providing service, including to the highlands and islands of Scotland, and on whether universal service would be a burden or a net benefit. In the first round of that study, conducted in 1996 or 1997, Oftel concluded that there was a net benefit because, while service was being provided to high cost areas, there was also what was called a halo effect. This means the provider's name would become known throughout the relevant country and that company's name would come to people's minds when they thought about telecoms.

When somebody in Britain thought about telecoms, they thought of British Telecom, which provided pay phones, the fixed network and all kinds of data services. If a person moved house, they always knew that BT would be there to provide a service, although they might not know what other companies were also available. At that time, the conclusion was reached that there was a net benefit. The next time they undertook the study, the conclusion was reached that there was a cost, but that it was so small that doing anything about it would not have been worthwhile.

The regulators in the Nordic countries considered this matter and concluded that there should not be a levy or charge. They considered the network effect which suggests that with every person added to the national network, there are more people able to make more calls. It is not just a question of the cost of adding one person to the network, but includes the network effect which increases revenues overall. ComReg looks carefully not just at costs but also benefits and makes a judgment in that regard.

With regard to how these are paid for, the cost is usually kept within the telecoms industry. ComReg has no comment to make about the question of a tax, as we have no powers in that area. That is a matter for politicians. Where universal service funds have been created, some kind of levy may be imposed on service operators so it could be said that everybody chips in to raise a certain amount. Otherwise, it can be done through connection charges, which are the charges other operators pay the incumbent for carrying traffic over its network.

There would be a number of options in that regard, but we would not make snap judgments as to whether there is a net cost or benefit. We would consider carefully whether the figures stacked up and, if so, we would then consider further what might be done. That is the position with regard to how matters might be funded.

Mr. Doherty

I will ask my colleague, Mr. Eric Tomkins, to deal with some of the issues raised with regard to pay phones.

Mr. Eric Tomkins

I will deal with the questions raised by you, chairman. One of the first questions concerned whether the existing designation applies to the State, which it does at present. It applies to the whole of the State and that will continue to be the case in the context of what we have proposed with the consultation.

The issue of data transmission rates was also raised. The position under the existing universal service obligation, which follows from the legislation, is that the PSTN line has only to be capable of supporting 2.4 kilobits per second, which is extremely low. The new legislation going forward, and the directive on which it is based, can allow for up to 56 kilobits per second, which is the maximum capacity of the line. We have proposed the possibility of setting a specific bit rate, but there should be awareness that this can give rise to the need to significantly upgrade networks which can, in turn, have a cost implication. A balanced approach must be struck.

The criteria for the upkeep of public pay telephones were mentioned. If Eircom has an obligation to provide public pay telephones, we would expect the phones to be in working order. It has certain licence obligations about what it has to have inside its payphones such as notification of prices. Concerns have not been expressed about the quality of payphones to the same extent as about their removal. We want to establish tight guidelines in relation to the circumstances in which they can be removed and, more importantly, the notification and consultation process which has to take place with the local community. It is important that we ensure people are informed and have a chance to make representations. Ultimately, we may have to become involved on a case-by-case basis, as has been the position. As universal service is reviewed on an ongoing basis, there is provision for a review if the needs of payphone users change. There is an obligation to meet changing circumstances.

Mr. Doherty

The Office of the Commission for Communications Regulation has not made any decisions on funding as the consultation phase is ongoing. The commission is trying to provide information for consumers in a clear and transparent manner on their rights in relation to payphones and other matters of interest to them. It is important that a reasonable period is defined in relation to, for example, timelines for interventions in scenic areas, mentioned by Deputy O'Shea. It is clear that six years is not a reasonable period but six weeks may not be a reasonable period in some areas. We have to strike a balance on a case-by-case basis. There is not a huge number of people knocking at ComReg's door to say telecommunications services are not available - it is not a huge problem. Problems between the party and operator have been resolved in cases where we have intervened.

The commission is trying to define "reasonable" in order that consumers know where they stand and persons with disabilities know what to expect. The operators of telecommunication services need to know what they have to provide - what needs to be published and covered - as part of the overall service. ComReg has not yet been persuaded that an additional fund is necessary in this area. The reason is quite clear. An independent private company might make such a request but ComReg is still looking at the various entities. This question has been raised on previous occasions and I am sure it will continue to be raised.

I would like clarification about a matter I raised. Is Eircom's universal service obligation on offer?

Mr. Tomkins

The commission is legislatively obliged, as part of the consultation process, to offer the universal service obligation to determine if anybody is interested in becoming the universal service provider. An invitation was extended to operators as part of the consultation process, the response to which is under consideration, to express an interest in becoming the universal service provider. The office will ultimately decide which operator will have the universal service obligation.

Is it fair to ask whether there was competition? I am sure there was not. This matter can be compared to the arrival of BUPA in the health insurance market which challenged a colossal established organisation and attempted to drum up competition. It is impossible to create competition when one person owns the network.

Mr. Tomkins

The individual components of the universal service obligation can be broken up. A company might be permitted to provide access to the telephone network, another company might provide the directory inquiry services and another might produce the telephone book. It was proposed in the consultation document that, rather than allowing a vacuum, Eircom should continue to be the universal service provider for these services in the light of the new obligations going forward. We simultaneously made clear that other operators should indicate, as part of their responses to the consultation, if they were interested in becoming the universal service provider. We detailed the high level information they should provide and will examine the matter with regard to the consultation and responses received.

Let me ask another question about this matter. Does ComReg believe the services provided by Eircom should be broken up and given to a number of operators? Is it fair to say the commission would prefer such an outcome? Is it fair to ask Mr. Tomkins to comment?

Mr. Doherty

I do not think it is fair to ask us.

Mr. Tomkins

While the commission has set out the options, I do not think it has taken any particular position in that context. The last consultation process was conducted in 1999 and ComReg is keen to ensure as many options as possible are examined as part of this process. It is important that those with an interest in applying are aware that there is an opportunity to do so in order that they will not be able to say they did not have an opportunity to tender for this business. The commission is continuing to review the submissions it has received without adopting a position on the matter.

There is a yellow and green box in the small village of Malin in the north of the Inishowen Peninsula. I hope there always will be an obligation to retain as many such boxes as possible. I appreciate that I may seem more concerned with the type of facility than the location of services. It is important to provide a basic service such as a public telephone in all parts of the country. Such facilities should be in keeping with the places where they are located.

Ms Goggin

There is a man from Malin sitting on my left.

I am familiar with surnames like Doherty and McLoughlin.

Mr. Doherty

It is understandable the Chair showed some parochialism.

I am sure Mr. Doherty is familiar with the yellow and green box in Malin.

The committee appreciates the attendance of the delegation from the Office of the Commission for Communications Regulation. The delegation and the committee seem to share a sympathy in relation to services in rural Ireland. Perhaps the committee will write formally to the chairperson of the commission to express its appreciation of its endeavours and support for the approach being taken.

The joint committee went into private session at 3 p.m. and adjourned at 3.05 p.m. sine die.

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