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JOINT COMMITTEE ON ARTS, SPORT, TOURISM, COMMUNITY, RURAL AND GAELTACHT AFFAIRS díospóireacht -
Wednesday, 2 Apr 2003

Vol. 1 No. 7

Federation of Irish Sports: Presentation.

We have visitors from the Federation of Irish Sports, Paddy Boyd and Debbie Massey. Unfortunately, numbers are depleted today due to a tourism Bill going through the Oireachtas and the joint committee covers tourism, sport, recreation and a number of other areas.

The joint committee has a number of RAPID tour studies ongoing or at present - women in sport; the positive impact sport can play in child development and preventing alcohol abuse; and professionalism versus amateurism. While that is the direction the joint committee has taken, we welcome the delegation from the federation. I alluded to one of its magazines that was presented clearly and gave the joint committee food for thought, even in the first kick-off. I remind witnesses that while committee members have privilege, that does not extend to them. I ask the witnesses to make a presentation, and members will then ask questions.

Mr. Paddy Boyd

I thank the Chairman for the opportunity to appear before the committee and explain the aims, goals and operation of the Federation of Irish Sports. My name is Paddy Boyd and I work full-time for the Irish Sailing Association. For my sins, I am the president of the Federation of Irish Sports. Debbie Massey, who is the chief executive of the basketball federation, is our general secretary and Philip Browne, chief executive of the IRFU, is our honorary treasurer. I have circulated a document to committee members which summarises who we are, what we do and why we are here. I will give a brief background.

Following the Sydney review in 2000, the then Minister for Tourism, Sport and Recreation Deputy McDaid, invited representatives of all sports represented in the Sydney Olympics to Leinster House to account for our performance in Sydney. At that meeting, strong ideas were expressed and strong words spoken about the state of sport in Ireland and the commitment to sport. As a result of the meeting, a few of us got together and said that, while we entered the meeting as individuals, there should perhaps be a collective organisation, as there is in other countries, representing national governing bodies of sport. We had a series of meetings early in 2002, where the majority of the more than 70 national governing bodies of sport were represented. At one meeting, representatives of 61or 62 of the governing bodies attended and those who could not attend sent apologies and expressions of support. We established an interim steering group which was given a mandate by those bodies to establish, on a statutory basis as we would see it, though not statutory in terms of the law, a federation of Irish sports. We proceeded to the stage of a constitution, which we drafted, and which was approved and adopted by the Federation in April 2002. The following month we had a set of elections and we now have the executive committee, which carries out the day to day activities on behalf of the federation.

The paper I have distributed explains our current position. Thousands of people in Ireland are involved in sport. We estimate that the number involved in some way, as reflected in the membership of national governing bodies, is probably close to 2 million in terms of schools and particularly in terms of the major organisations. This goes from the GAA all the way down to organisations such as the Horseshoe Pitchers' Association and the Baton-Twirlers' Association. It represents the wide spectrum of Irish sports and a very large commitment by volunteers in all these sports. I am probably preaching to the converted, but if one puts together all the work done by volunteers in Irish sports, it forms a major part of the fabric of Irish society. We wanted to harness all that and present it before a wider audience and to a greater level.

We find that with the statutory establishment of the Irish Sports Council and the adoption of its strategic plan, there is a requirement on sports to become better organised. We see now that many sports have adopted strategic plans, and in recent months, for example, swimming, equestrian activities and a couple of other sports have advertised for chief executives or senior officers who, according to the advertisements, will be reasonably well salaried. The professionalism of sport is relatively new in Irish society for the smaller federations but it is becoming part and parcel of their activities. That puts its own pressures on people and particularly on the relationship between the volunteers and the professionals. Of the people represented on our committee, about half work full-time as professionals in sport, with amateurs making up the balance.

We seek to provide a voice for sport and to raise political awareness, which is why we are here. We have already had meetings with or made representations to members of the political parties who have responsibilities for sports. We seek to work very closely with the Sports Council to improve State investment in sport and the relationship between sport and the governing bodies. We also work at emphasising the role of sport in education.

We are probably all aware that there is a great deficit in Irish education in regard to the way sport is treated. In an article written by Tom Humphries in yesterday's edition of The Irish Times there are a couple of points worth noting. Pat Fanning, the principal of St. Joseph’s primary school in Fairview in Dublin, is quoted, as stating “we do not recognise sport in terms of what it does for fitness, discipline and general happiness”. Tom Humphries went on to say Mr. Fanning’s view was widely supported and that there is plenty of evidence to support the old-fashioned view that sport is linked to the development of the whole person in terms of discipline, targets, health and improved academic performance. There are studies of programmes in the UK and Australia which bear out this point.

Sport is not just a career choice for the dozens of children who go to English soccer clubs for trials, it is an option in terms of teaching, coaching, administration, leisure management, planning and various other roles. We cater for these at third level but have no focused national sports curriculum before that level. It is appropriate that it is recognised that sport has a major role in society and perhaps we should seek to value it more.

There was one thing we thought about at an early stage when we were seeking a platform to catch the eye. In the same way that there is a Seanad seat for the different panels, such as agriculture and labour, perhaps there should be a seat for sport. With 2 million people involved in it, sport plays a big part in society. It is probably not enough to implore the Taoiseach to allocate one of his 11 nominees to sport, but perhaps sport represents a larger constituency than the universities represent. We felt we could put forward this idea. Though it might not come to fruition, we can use it as a platform.

I am sure the universities would loan you one of their seats.

Mr. Boyd

We then got established. We have the constitution in place and it is representative of the national governing bodies and the other organisations involved in promoting sport. It is a very open, transparent, democratic constitution because we agreed every sport would have equal opportunity under our principle of one sport, one vote. The baton-twirlers have the same number of votes as the IRFU, the GAA or the FAI. There is equal status for each sport no matter what its size.

We have met six times since being established, and are still in the throes of getting properly established, but our work programme is coming together nicely. We have already engaged the Sports Council on a number of matters, most recently the new house of sport being built in Park West, near the M50, which will provide a home for many of the smaller governing bodies of sport. We have also talked with the Sports Council about our own constitution and getting ourselves established because we believe we will not get to critical mass without having in place a full-time executive. The question of financing and establishing that is being examined by our federation and the Sports Council. We have also had a meeting with our sister organisation, the Northern Ireland Sports Forum. I have attended its annual general meeting and it will be represented at our annual general meeting, as many of our sports are thirty-two county sports.

That explains who we are and where we are. We have 70 national governing bodies of sport in our membership and are open to other organisations interested in promoting sports, such as coaching or teaching organisations, provided they have sport as their primary or major focus and interest. Debbie may have more to add to what I have said.

Ms Debbie Massey

No, I think it has been very well summarised.

We will take a number of questions and perhaps the federation will come back collectively to a number of people. I agree wholeheartedly with Tom Humphries on sport being about more than simply getting a person fit.

Arts comes under our committee's remit and I am always selling the message that music should not be merely the little band playing for someone visiting a school. It is integral to people's development of co-ordination, rhythm and as individuals. While I agree with that, I suppose if we sought a Seanad spot for sports, I might seek a stronger arts influence. Everyone has his or her own niche and fights his or her corner. The concept is interesting and was worth throwing out.

Special Olympics Ireland appeared before the committee some weeks ago. It said it harnessed 30,000 volunteers very quickly. It still has hundreds of applications with which it cannot deal since it must have a certain amount of time for training. Often in sports we hear the complaint that volunteerism is dead and gone. Do our guests have any thoughts, as a federation, on how to harness people already mobilised, particularly now regarding the disabled in sports, try to bring them into mainstream volunteerism and keep them at it?

There is bound to be a huge wealth of information on sports research held by those in the federation on issues such as those we are pursuing - women in sport, amateurism versus professionalism, alcohol and sport, and positive role models. Rather than re-inventing the wheel, if the federation has a mechanism whereby people in individual sports have investigated such issues - perhaps in writing a university thesis - we would be grateful if it would give us the titles. Perhaps the federation might work with us on that.

What does the federation do to highlight the benefits to health of sport? How does it do that and does it happen with individual members or generally? On the weighting of votes in the federation, are all people, for example swimmers versus those in the IRFU, equal or are some more equal than others?

I welcome Mr. Boyd, Ms Massey and the other members of the federation. I congratulate its inauguration and emergence on to the Irish sporting scene. The body, judging by the handout, has a very definite role to play in the development of sport. I was interested to hear both Mr. Boyd and the Chairman refer to the article by Tom Humphries in yesterday's edition of The Irish Times. I suggest that any colleagues on the committee who have not yet read it should do so, because it is a fine and accurate piece of writing from a highly respected sports correspondent.

I have one query concerning something to which I was interested to see Tom Humphries refer in the article. We tend to get slightly carried away with what we see on television, considering that to be sport. That is not sport - I often refer to it as the showbusiness end of sport. Sport is about participation, the amateur ethos and sport for all at grassroots level. I was interested to note that Community Games and Cerebral Palsy Sport are represented on the federation's executive committee, as well as what might seem, if I might be slightly parochial for a moment, very much a minority sport, namely, cricket. That sport is probably the third most popular summer sport in my constituency.

It is welcome to see a body emerging which gives equal weighting to all sports, for it is only when sports people come together that the development of sport in general can be achieved. I have a question about the role of sport in the formal education of our children. We are aware of difficulties both in voluntarism, which has been referred to already, and with insurance, of which we are particularly aware in other spheres of activity discussed in these Houses. Those are certainly major difficulties. However, there are also huge pluses and huge potential for achievement in formal education. I am obviously thinking of the health benefits, but also of the potential benefits in the area of academic achievement. In the past, one tended to think of sporting prowess at school being achieved in direct proportion to the detriment of academic achievement. Now studies are emerging all over the world - some have been carried out in Ireland, though admittedly on a modest basis - proving the opposite because sporting prowess to a very large degree equals academic achievement.

I speak of the inclusion of sport, not just physical education and the attitude of tokenism we currently have in schools, and the potential for developing sport formally in the education system, particularly at primary level, but also at second level. The federation can have a huge influence in that regard, and one of its aims should be to emphasise the role of sport in education. I would be very interested to hear the federation's comments in that regard.

I welcome Mr. Boyd and Ms Massey. The Federation of Irish Sports will fulfil the role of the sports forum proposed by the Irish Sports Council a few years ago. There was a demand for a forum representative of all the sporting organisations in the country that would meet on a few occasions during the year. The Federation of Irish Sports probably goes a little further, since it has a structure and executive to ensure continuity to its work.

I am glad the federation emphasises physical education in schools. It is becoming something of a cliché, since by now we all know that exercise is good for children, old people and everyone else. Unfortunately, however, we are taking less of it and all the time there is more talk and less action. As time goes on, ever more people are becoming unfit. There are probably more women exercising after the age of 30 than before, but overall society is less fit and more unhealthy than ten years ago. So much has been proven and, while we are talking about it, we are doing very little.

As a former PE teacher, I recall that in the 1970s and 1980s there was a great spirit among my counterparts, and even school principals, that physical education should be part of the curriculum. Unfortunately, many of the teachers who qualified at that time are no longer involved in PE. I meet them at such events as the recent weekend rugby game. They are frustrated and there is no sense of mission whatsoever coming from the Department of Education and Science. As far as it is concerned, physical education does not matter in schools. The Minister confirmed his commitment to physical education this year. There was a small grant of about €600 but it was cut off. Schools used it to buy some equipment or a few balls. There is no commitment to physical education and I say this on the basis of my background as a PE teacher. When inspectors inspect teachers' work, the last thing they ask them is if they have a PE programme. I have heard this from teachers interested in PE programmes. They would like to impress the inspector from the Department, but they are not even asked if they are implementing such programmes.

There are other reasons for the marginalisation of PE, such as the points race. Moreover, there was not the same emphasis on IT or languages in the 1970s and 1980s. There is not enough time to emphasise PE. I saw a report on Sky News about a study conducted in England at Christmas, which indicated that 10% of all young people will die before their parents and showed the number of youngsters who were overweight. If one stands in front of any school, one will be quite alarmed by the students with very bad posture and those who are overweight. Nothing is being done about it, although we might talk about it.

Tom Humphries referred to the value of sport in The Irish Times, but I have seen so many articles in the papers stating that sport is good for one that it has become a cliché. We should take part more in sport, but we are doing less. I am glad the delegates are emphasising this.

The only hope for schools is for clubs to link up with them so that, if a sport is not being played in the schools, at least the clubs will try to fulfil that role. This is becoming increasingly more difficult by virtue of the fact that there are fewer volunteers than there were in the past. Ms Massey, having been involved in basketball, probably sees this at first hand. She has a very good objective and she should use her influence to further the philosophy that PE and sport are important in schools and impress this upon decision makers. She can have an influence through her organisations.

I hope Ms Massey will be able to return to discuss the issue of the gender balance. I am sure the Federation of Irish Sports can do a great deal to achieve an effective gender balance. There is no doubt that women are not getting a fair deal in many sports. I had an intern carry out a survey of sport in the main papers for ten days. It confirmed an original study by Dublin City Sports Council, conducted over a period of ten days, which indicated that only 3% of the photographs of athletes or sports persons in the media were of women, while 97% were of men. This has an impact on sponsorship. If a sponsor does not see images in the paper of female basketball players, for example, their association will not get sponsorship.

This problem is evident at local level. A young female basketball team from Listowel that went to Brazil had to pack bags in the supermarkets to obtain funding. A young male Gaelic or soccer team would not have to do that. It indicates that women are not getting a fair deal. Perhaps they are in some sports but, generally speaking, they are not and women to whom I have spoken confirm this. It is time the Irish Sports Council held a special forum twice a year on women's issues because it will drive policy in the country.

Organisations should gender-proof their policies. There should be a proviso in respect of national lottery grants that women's facilities should be provided or, as happens in America, funding should be ring-fenced for women's sports. This provision was made in America in 1972 and it has ensured that major improvements have been made. I think they call it "section 9" and it has really changed the face of sport in America. Participation in sport by women in America has increased dramatically as a result. That is why one sees more female American basketball players, volleyball players, golfers, etc. A similar provision should be made in Ireland.

Will the delegates explain the link between the Federation of Irish Sports and the Irish Sports Council? What kind of grant aid is the federation getting and from where is it coming?

I welcome the delegates. It is great that they have brought together so many national governing bodies of sport. The major concern of those involved in sport is that, although parents have great intentions when children are small, there is a fall-off in participation in sport during the teenage years.

I agree with the Chair that volunteerism is at a minimum at club level. If one looks at the local papers, one will see that there is very little change of personnel at the AGMs. This demonstrates that new volunteers are not coming on board, which is very worrying, especially for clubs in rural areas.

We now have large housing estates in our towns and even our villages, but the sports organisations are cherry picking the best and leaving others behind. Thus, many children suffer from boredom and we see much destructive action on their part, irrespective of the type of estate in which they live. It could be an affluent estate or a local authority estate. It would be useful if the Federation of Irish Sports did something to further volunteerism so the value of sport could be demonstrated in such estates. One sees the best youngster playing with three or four different associations, whereas his next door neighbour may not play any games at all. That is my concern. Is it shared by the delegates?

Given that the federation covers 70 sports, one can envisage the type of literature it could turn out. I hope the Government, through either the Department of Arts, Sport and Tourism or Education and Science, will give some financial assistance in the preparation of attractive and impressive literature. If this is available to children and they see what sports are available to them it will be beneficial. Most towns will not have all 70 sports but they will have many. Even in my area of Athy, I always say, "Name a sport and we have it". However, we have not got the literature to match them and the volunteers in each club are under pressure to keep them going. They have no time to get involved in drawing all the groups together.

I hope one of the aims of the Federation of Irish Sports is to make literature available in the estates and schools to show the children what sports are available and to give them options. I am a GAA man and I push those sports to the extreme. Children get fed up with me saying the GAA has great games. However, there are other options and that is what is wanted. I hope the relevant Departments provide funding to the federation to do that. If that happens, a major step forward will have been taken in terms of alleviating the problems in large estates.

I welcome the delegation. How can the State fund sports? Insurance must also be taken into account. Many people who are self-employed give up sports at a young age because they cannot obtain insurance to cover their wages if they break a leg or a hand. That is a major problem. The benefit of participation in sports in not promoted enough. If one is a good athlete, one's heart beat is slower and so on.

Clubs should be given funding so that they can provide equipment such as footballs and sliothars to local national and secondary schools. That does not happen. My club is in a parish of 300 houses in the west and it is struggling for survival. We set out to develop a hurling field but we did not get one penny in State aid. If we applied for a national lottery grant in the morning, we would have to provide matching funding. How can a small club in the west be expected to do this? That condition for lottery funding should not apply to a small club in the west.

I welcome the officials and Debbie Massey from the National Basketball Association. Basketball is popular in schools in County Longford and I had the pleasure recently of welcoming a basketball team from Egypt to Moyne community school. I also welcome Paddy Boyd from the Irish Sailing Association. I am not au fait with the sport, but there are many maritime farmers in Longford and they are sailing all year round. The IRFU is not represented in the delegation, but rugby is also popular in Longford.

The formation of the Federation of Irish Sports is a great idea. It will be good for the individual, the sports organisations, and the State. I am glad there is close co-operation between organisations North and South. What can we do to help? What are the federation's aims, objectives and ambitions? The Government is fully committed to sport and the facts speak for themselves. The federation will find friends on this committee and I wish the delegates well.

There was reference to the value of sport beyond itself. I was a teacher and I miss my involvement in sport more than the classroom. People who come together to play team games have different talents and they do different jobs. They co-operate together to achieve the best effect. They support their colleagues and enhance their skills and discipline, which is extremely important. Athletics are all about disciplining oneself as one monitors one's diet. There is a great deal of community and character training that transfers to ordinary everyday life in a beneficial way.

I refer to the federation's connection with the new house of sport. Everybody loses sight of the campus of sporting excellence in the debate on the Abbotstown project. What is the federation's view on the campus? This element of the development is important in terms of general performance and it would be of significant benefit to many people.

Does the federation interface with the local sports partnerships established by the Irish Sports Council? An element of the partnerships' focus is to involve women and those who are disabled or disadvantaged in sport. Is the federation active in that area? Is it working with the sports partnerships?

I always said to my pupils before games started to go out and enjoy them. Sport must also be a source of enjoyment. I recall the primary school cross-country championships. Gerry Deegan, who was a formidable athlete from my area, gave up his Saturday afternoon to present the prizes even though his career was at its height at the time. He said to the young children that they should try all sports, as Deputy Wall said. Coming from someone like him, it had an impact on the children. When one reaches 15 or 16 years, one can then specialise.

There are problems in certain sports. A few parents become overly involved and tend to push children at too young an age. At the end of the day, sport should be enjoyed. I am delighted the federation appeared before the committee and I wish the officials continued success in their important work.

I was smiling when Deputy Kelly referred to Longford and sailing. Many people smile when Switzerland and sailing are mentioned together and winning the America's Cup. Beware of Longford.

Deputy O'Shea referred to the Abbotstown project. The aquatic centre has been a great success. It was completed on time and it will be a fantastic facility. Has the federation an opinion on where to go next with the proposed campus or will it be up to individual sporting organisations?

Mr. Boyd

I refer to Abbotstown and the national sports stadium. I omitted it by accident in my initial contribution. The national stadium complex represented a €500 million investment by the State in sports, whether it was located in Abbotstown or the docklands or wherever. While the federation would not necessarily have a view on its location, the loss of that investment is a major blow to Irish sports. The house of sport and the proposed centre of excellence at Abbotstown were important to us. We are gutted about the current state of the national stadium proposal. Never mind soccer, athletics and rugby, there was to be a velodrome, a golf academy and a tennis academy. All the sports science and other facilities associated with them were to be in one location. What that represented in terms of investment is the reason working to improve State investment in sport is listed in our criteria. We feel strongly about the national sports stadium, not necessarily because of its location but because of what it represented in terms of State investment in sport.

Sport and health goes without saying. Everybody here is converted to it. However, in terms of budgetary matters, it has been proven in both Canada and Australia that investment in sport has, in the longer term, significant economic impacts on the state's health spending. As the population ages, the more people are involved in sport the healthier they become. Consequently, the issue of hospital beds versus investment in sport does not arise. Investing in sport at an early age results in a payback in terms of the health budget as the population ages. Figures are available in Australia and Canada which tie it to so much per dollar.

Several Deputies and Senators raised the question of sport in education. There is a danger, and I was one of the lucky few to go to a fee-paying school, that we are further increasing the divide in our community between those who attend fee-paying schools and those who do not. I was exposed to athletics, rugby, soccer, GAA - even though we were not allowed to play it - cricket and swimming at school. This happens because parents can afford it. The parents who can afford it are those who insist on it, drive the schools and get out and do the voluntary work as against the non-fee paying schools or the non-privileged schools, where students are exposed to only one or two sports. Without the drive of the parents backing it, it does not happen for some kids and the gap between the haves and the have nots grows as a result.

Deputy Glennon mentioned participation and the fact that it was not all about what happened at the weekend. I could not agree more. I should point out that last weekend in particular was a wonderful weekend for Irish sport. Teams were involved in soccer. The rugby team was involved and, probably, our finest individual sportsman was involved at the highest level of golf internationally. What a wonderful example that was - the 11 soccer players, the 15 rugby players and our golfer. We can participate in so many ways. We do not necessarily have to be out there playing but it is events such as those that drive people to participate, not only in actually taking part but in being volunteers in driving kids to the games and coaching at weekends, etc. Participation takes place right across the board. When we participate we all have our personal goals and some are higher than others. Some of us reach the national stage and some of us make it only in our local club. Participation is such a broad issue. Even sitting in the weekend and taking pride in Ireland's achievements is a big part of participation.

Everyone commented on the role of sport in education. It goes without saying and everyone present is probably converted to that idea. I will allow Ms Massey to address some of the matters. She will speak about State investment, insurance and probably, although it may be sexist to say so, women in sport.

Perhaps I could reply to a couple of other issues raised by Deputies, one of which was the funding link between the Federation of Irish Sport and the Sports Council. Currently, we are self-funded. We get no State funding of any description from the Sports Council. We are in the course of preparing a funding application which will go primarily toward staffing the federation. We would see the Sports Council as key in that, but we hope there will be a balance so that we can retain our independence from the Sports Council.

In welcoming the establishment of the Federation of Irish Sport, John Treacy said, "I suppose I am creating something that is going to give me quite a lot of grief down the line". We said that if there needs to be grief we will be the people to give it but we have a friendly and co-operative relationship with the Sports Council. The entire federation is conscious of the enormous work the Sports Council has done since its establishment a mere two or three years ago. It has been of huge benefit.

Deputies O'Shea and Wall mentioned local sports partnerships. These are important in terms of getting people to become active within their own communities and are a welcome development. While the federation may not deal directly with them, we would be aware of them and, through our member national governing bodies, we have close links with them. That is where the idea of literature and availability and information will primarily will come from and it is a very welcome development.

All members said that a number of issues are involved in sport. Deputy Kelly asked what the joint committee can do to help the Federation of Irish Sport. I think it is a question of mutual co-operation to raise the issue of sport on the agenda. I would love to say the committee should go to the Minister for Education and Science and ask him to change his policy with one sweep of his pen and invest more.

There has been a cutback to €600.

Mr. Boyd

There has been a cutback to €600. Given that many members of the joint committee have a background in the State education system, they have recognised the value of sport.

The question of academic achievement was raised by Deputy Glennon and highlighted by Deputy O'Shea. If one is organised in ones sporting life one will be organised in ones academic life. As one has to look after ones body and be aware of the food that goes into it, be involved in a training regime and so on, there is strong evidence to suggest that those who are disciplined in their sporting attitude do well academically. This is contrary to all the previous research and we know it from our own sport. Parents have come to us and said they are delighted we got involved with the coach because the coach has insisted they have time for academic studies, their fitness, their sailing skills and time for their social skills. The tie-in is clear that in the majority of cases people who are assiduous at their sports are also the same way inclined academically.

I may have addressed most of the questions asked, with the exception of those Ms Massey is about to address.

I have a question on the house of sport in Park West. Why is it not being located at Abbotstown? There is State land at Abbotstown. Would it complement the aquatic centre if it was located there? Is it going ahead in Park West?

Mr. Boyd

Yes, but it is a building that already exists. A lease is being taken on a building rather building something from scratch.

So it is only a lease.

Mr. Boyd

Correct. The current house of sport has been generously provided by O'Neills. The lease is expiring and the building is in a state of disrepair. There was an urgent need to establish something fairly quickly. We would obviously like to have seen it in a national stadium complex, but that may occur in time.

Ms Debbie Massey

I wish to begin by referring back to one of the opening points regarding volunteerism in sport and the Special Olympics, in particular, and how easy it appeared to recruit so many volunteers and to get more than it can handle. This is a pet subject of mine because in my previous employment of 12 years working with the GAA as the policy and planning manager I had responsibility for providing supports and resources to volunteers within the sport nationwide and outside of Ireland. Apart from the fact that it is a one-off high profile event, the reason the Special Olympics was successful in recruiting volunteers was that it asked. In sports, we are all guilty of not asking and if we do ask we do not give enough detail and enough indication of support to the individual being approached. Deputy Wall will agree with me that, in the GAA context, somebody is afraid to take on a position of secretary of a club because they see the current secretary, who may be in the post for ten years, running around like a headless chicken. There is no job description, no back up and no support service. Many of our sports at club level are run by one or two individuals or by a very small committee. We are not good at recruiting as governing bodies and, certainly, as a federation.

The last point related to what the Federation of Irish Sport does. This is the practical side of it, the area in which I am most interested, to see how we as a federation can stop the duplication and the waste of energy among volunteers and full-time personnel with the sports and to try to provide resources and supports to volunteers, through training or through the provision of resource material, through a common mechanism. In other words, rather than have the GAA, Irish basketball and sailing going to one venue to deliver training courses to their PROs on how to deal with the media, for example, or tips on sponsorship, that would mean all sports, tied in with the local sports partnerships would come together in a region for generic material that would help them in their voluntary role.

There is also a great deal of pressure on the current voluntary base in terms of the code of conduct for dealing with children and the whole area of insurance. They are off-putting and the people who are in the positions currently do not always get the best support in that regard. They are frightened away from being volunteers. People like to be volunteers and I do not believe the Celtic tiger, whatever is left of it, busy lifestyles or anything like that will stop people volunteering. People like to support something outside of their workplace and their home life, but it is up to us to encourage that. In that regard, the federation has a strong role in providing generic supports, advice and resources. We are looking at the possibility of web-based supports which are employed in Australia and New Zealand, for example, where the sports structure and the infrastructure is to be envied across the world. We have an important role to play in directing people to where they can get help, regardless of the sport in which they are engaged.

With regard to the insurance issue, interestingly, around this time last year or a little earlier - before the federation got off the ground - the Irish Sports Council e-mailed all of the governing bodies asking them if they were having difficulty. Obviously it had been approached by a number of governing bodies which were hitting panic buttons because they had seen an increase in their premiums. In fairness, the council asked the governing bodies to give details of their insurance situation, when they were up for renewal, etc, with a view to trying to do something as an umbrella organisation for all the sports. By the time the data was gathered, if any was put forward, policies had been renewed and the worries went away for another year.

Insurance is a major area which the federation will examine because it is crippling sports in the same way that it is crippling small business. We see evidence of that on the television and read about it in the newspapers all the time. It is an area we need to examine and there is a role for the committee in that because the market is too closed in and there is not enough information available to people who want to purchase insurance.

On the question of women in sport, I would look at it from both sides, not just from the participation aspect but the important area of decision making within sporting bodies. I will not say there are not that many women in sport - I would have to do research on that - but I know, from meetings of different federations under the Sports Council's annual gatherings or from speaking to people, that it is unusual to find females at decision-making levels on the administration side of sport, unless it is a specific women's sport. As we used to say in the GAA, we see women washing the jerseys and making the tea and sandwiches, but that will not help the case for women in any sport unless they feel they have a say and are involved in the policy-making and decision-making of a club or a regional section of any given sport.

A great deal of assistance is required for women in sport. There have been a number of conferences on women in sport and I compliment Deputy Deenihan on the women in sport forum which, unfortunately, I was unable to attend because we had our own national cup weekend in basketball, so I decided that was where I should be. The more of that kind of discussion and fora we have, the better it will be but we need to find ways to give practical assistance to the sports in which women are involved.

The points made in regard to sponsorship and the profile of women's sports are valid. The Fair Play magazine, which is having an impact, focuses on women's sports, but it is an attitudinal thing to a large degree. I often hear people say that men's sport is more exciting and who wants to watch women's sport? I do not buy into that.

Getting away from competitive sport, which is what we have been talking about, a number of people here have said that one does not have to be the best. Recreational sport is an area that needs to be addressed. I am talking about taking part in sport simply for the fun of it and as a social outlet. The competition aspect of it is not important. Many people fall into that category, but I am not aware that a sufficient number of sports provide a recreational aspect because there is a huge focus on the competitive aspect. Sport is a social outlet, particularly for women. I see it in basketball. That is where we have the most recreational activity. Women do sports to keep fit and for social gathering, etc.

Those are some broad views but we will be gathering more data. On the basketball side, I will gather more data in advance of the meeting which will deal specifically with the women's side of sport. I would like an opportunity to present that data at that time.

The federations is a very broad remit, encompassing 71 sports. I appreciate our guests appearing before the committee today. We hope this is the start of an interaction and that they can feel free to approach us on issues that are of concern to them and vice versa. We are only as good as the information we get and sometimes the reverse is true.

We thank them for their time and look forward to welcoming them back here in whichever guise. If there is no other business——

Ms Massey addressed the insurance issue, but I was talking about a sportsman taking out individual insurance, which is impossible to get. Has the federation examined that aspect?

Ms Massey

As a federation, we have not looked into that specific aspect of it.

I would appreciate it if the federation did that because it is important that individuals can take out a personal policy, which is hard to obtain. I do not know whether Deputy Deenihan has had experience of that.

The GAA has its own insurance policy in that if someone is a member of a club, he or she can take out a blanket type policy.

I welcome the presentation because we do not often have presentations like this. Sport would rarely be mentioned in the Dáil if it were not for the questions we ask on the timeframe for the national stadium. I thank the Chairman for affording us the opportunity of discussing sport here. Sport is rarely mentioned in the Official Report and while we are all very well meaning about it, and some of us come from sporting backgrounds, it reflects the level of commitment at national level. As a group in Dáil Éireann we see sport as therapeutic, worthy of support, etc., but at the end of the day we do not apply our enthusiasm in a practical way to ensure sport becomes part of our culture and that we become a nation of participants rather than just spectators. That is the challenge facing the federation and the Dáil in terms of what we can do as decision-makers.

The federation is not getting any funding but if it is to survive, it has to be funded. I agree with Deputy Kelly. That is the one way we can help the federation, otherwise it will not be effective. We should make a strong recommendation to the Minister that the Federation of Irish Sports should be prioritised as much as possible.

From the federations newsletter, the Minister appears to fully back the concept. As far as sports are concerned, three rapporteur studies are under way and it is up to us to put our best foot forward at whatever speed we can accomplish at our various fitness levels.

Mr. Boyd

I thank the Chair for the opportunity to make this presentation and I thank the members for their questions. There are issues on which we have not touched. The committee's remit includes tourism. Ireland pitches far above its weight in regard to sport. We bring sporting events to Ireland. We probably host more sporting events in relation to our size than any other country.

The committee contacted me in the first instance in regard to the America's Cup. While we applied to be considered as a host, the Swiss decided that the event will take place in the Mediterranean or in Portugal and they have asked eight cities in that region to bid to host it. They have kindly written to us in regard to our application and said, "not at this time", so I do not have to go back to them.

That was probably Senator O'Toole's suggestion.

Mr. Boyd

It was. There is an event of reasonable stature for which we will now bid as a result of expressing an interest in the America's Cup. That will bring a large amount of foreign currency into someone's constituency, although maybe not into that of Senator O'Toole.

I always look forward to the advance of the north-west. We have great water up there.

The joint committee adjourned at 5.21 p.m. sine die.
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