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JOINT COMMITTEE ON ARTS, SPORT, TOURISM, COMMUNITY, RURAL AND GAELTACHT AFFAIRS díospóireacht -
Wednesday, 27 Sep 2006

Task Force on Active Citizenship: Presentation.

Today's meeting is concerned with the task force on active citizenship. The chairperson of the task force, Ms Mary Davis of Special Olympics fame, will appear before the committee as part of a nationwide consultation process in which the task force is engaged for the purpose of establishing at first hand the views of all concerned with the issue of active citizenship. Meetings have been held in six or seven locations, including one in the north west which took place in the Sligo region. I assume further meetings will have been held close to where members live. The purpose of these meetings is to allow members of various organisations to make public submissions on active citizenship.

I thank Ms Davis for appearing before the joint committee again. Her previous appearance was in her capacity as chief executive officer of the Special Olympics. Today, she appears before us as chairperson of the task force on active citizenship. I apologise if the joint committee is unable to compete with the proceedings under way in the Dáil Chamber. This should not be regarded as a reflection of members' interest in active citizenship. In the past three days, I have filled in a form consisting of 14 questions as part of my contribution to the task force's consultation process.

The joint committee has a track record in this area, having published a report, entitled Volunteers and Volunteering in Ireland, in January last year. The committee received oral and written submissions from 21 voluntary organisations, including long-established social service charities, sporting bodies, the Special Olympics, community organisations working at a parochial level and overseas aid bodies. The report made a number of recommendations, several of which, thankfully, were taken on board by the Minister of State at the Department of Community, Rural and Gaeltacht Affairs, Deputy Noel Ahern, including provision of a substantial tranche of additional funding for volunteering groups.

Other recommendations in the report covered volunteer affirmation and recognition, the introduction of volunteer passports, the establishment of vetting procedures, especially for those working with young children and vulnerable adults, the establishment of a volunteer infrastructure and training for and retention of volunteers in light of the fact that lifestyles are now predominately asset rich and time poor. The joint committee also proposed the introduction of publicity campaigns to attract people to volunteering and affirm the role of volunteers. In the coming months, the joint committee will deal with charities legislation, which has some similarities with the theme under discussion.

Members of the joint committee are pleased that Ms Davis has taken time out of her busy schedule to appear before us. As her schedule is tight today, I propose that we try to be concise. I ask Ms Davis to make her contribution and thereafter we will open up the discussion for questions from the floor.

Ms Mary Davis

I thank the joint committee for inviting me to attend this meeting to discuss the work of the task force on active citizenship and the issues it asks people to consider as part of its consultation process. The Chairman has outlined the work the joint committee has done in this area and I note it has been very active. I am also aware of the report on volunteers and volunteering in Ireland produced by the joint committee in 2005, into which the Special Olympics organisation had an input. I look forward to hearing members' views and feeding them back into the work being done by the task force.

Information on the task force has been circulated, including some of the discussion documents it has produced to help people get started as we undertake public consultations throughout the country. These include a copy of our terms of reference which are to review the evidence regarding trends in citizen participation across the main areas of civic, community, cultural, occupational and recreational life; to examine these trends in the context of national and international experience and analysis; to review the experience of organisations involved in the political, caring, community, professional, occupational, cultural, sporting and religious dimensions of Irish life regarding influences, both positive and negative, on the levels of civic engagement and participation and the reasons therefor; and to recommend measures that could be taken as part of public policy to facilitate and encourage a greater degree of engagement and involvement by citizens in all aspects of life and the growth and development of voluntary organisations as part of a strong civic culture.

The task force committee consists of a wide and varied group of 20 people, including me, who have accumulated considerable expertise. One of our key objectives is to engage widely with the public and initiate a discussion and debate throughout Ireland, including Northern Ireland. With some members of the task force engaged in various sectors in the North, we hope to learn from their experience in the area of active citizenship. As well as informing our discussions and final recommendations to Government, a debate on how people participate in society is valuable in its own right as it helps raise awareness and stimulate thinking by individuals and organisations throughout the country.

The consultation process takes several forms. Regional consultation seminars are under way with meetings already held in Dublin, Monaghan and Sligo. A meeting took place in Galway last night, with a further meeting scheduled for Cork tomorrow. A meeting will also be held in Tullamore next week and we will hold a further evening session in Dublin. To date, the seminars have been well attended and participants have had much to say in expressing their views. Some excellent recommendations and common strands are emerging.

The task force also seeks written submissions. It has set a deadline of 29 September for receipt of such submissions and they are coming in fast and furious in the secretariat of the Department of the Taoiseach. We also encourage people to visit our website and make on-line submissions. In addition, the task force is commissioning a survey by the ESRI on national trends, social capital and active citizenship. It also seeks the views of young people through a number of special consultation events it is organising and a more user-friendly youth version of the consultation paper has been designed.

The task force has combined the experience and knowledge of its members to work in sub-groups to engage in more detail with issues with which they are familiar. This also broadens the scope of what we are doing. The five sub-groups cover sporting, community and the environment; culture, youth, older persons and minority groups; service delivery, caring and religious; political, voter participation and education; and professional, corporate and business. This range of sub-groups, issues and areas gives one an immediate feeling for how broad active citizenship is, extending from democracy to involvement in social concerns.

The main job the Taoiseach and Government gave the task force is to consider all the evidence we gather through our consultations and report back with our findings and recommendations. These will not be the views of the sub-committee or task force but the views of those with whom we interact as we travel throughout the country.

The starting point for our discussion is to consider what it means to be an active citizen in 21st century Ireland. While this includes volunteering, it is broader than this. It is a wider concept that encompasses all forms of participation and engagement, whether with one's neighbour, local community, other organisations or wider society.

Active citizenship can mean many different things to different people because it is such a broad area. We all accept that society cannot function at full capacity unless we harness the energy and potential of every member of society and that the benefits of combining all our skills, experience and knowledge far outweighs the limits of what can be achieved if we do this alone. One of my most important experiences of this was the 2003 World Games when all strands, the State and the voluntary, community and corporate sectors, came together to make the event work. We saw how effective this approach was.

Active citizenship also raises an issue about the nature of citizenship in a fast changing society, not in a legal sense but in terms of the rights and responsibilities which go with living in a diverse, rapidly evolving country such as Ireland. The issues being considered by the task force are profound ones connected to the values which underlie modern society. These are particularly important questions when one considers the current level of immigration. Does greater cultural, religious and social diversity require us to define more explicitly what it means to be a member of Irish society? How do we promote such a shared understanding as the basis of real civic participation and engagement by all sections of society? We have had much feedback on this question, particularly from the consultations we have undertaken to date.

The Taoiseach spoke at the Dublin event about the realities of modern living and the pressure placed on volunteers in terms of community and engagement. Others question whether there really has been a decline in some areas of volunteering and civic engagement. As we go around, we find some people do not have a difficulty obtaining volunteers while others do. Perhaps it is just that the nature of engagement has changed with changes in Ireland to reflect our different needs and our current lifestyles. The evidence on this point is mixed and an important part of the task force's work is to assess and interpret, as we talk to people around the country, what that evidence suggests about the trends that are now part of active citizenship.

An issue of particular interest to the task force is that of young people. We have had a young person speak at all our consultations. It is a question of how the values of active citizenship can be nurtured among this generation of Irish citizens. The statistics on voting by young people are quite depressing and worrying when one considers that one in four of those between 18 and 24 do not even bother to register to vote. Perhaps this says something about the registration process. Is it cumbersome for young people? I have four children and they seem to want things instantly. There are, however, many positive stories about the interest of young people in public affairs. In this regard, consider the role education plays in promoting active citizenship. I refer not just to the education of the young but also to adult, further and continuing education.

The task force has also identified untapped potential among older people and research indicates they are likely to have lower rates of community involvement despite the huge reserves of experience and time they have to offer. We must consider why this is the case and how it can be addressed. We must also determine how to give older people the confidence to feel they are wanted and have a very valuable contribution to make.

The key issue of awareness has arisen time and again. It seems obvious that people are more likely to respond when they have the relevant information and know exactly what is required of them, what is happening in their communities, what the gaps are and how they can become involved in this regard. Constant negativity on the part of the media regarding those who engage in public life seems likely to discourage people, the young in particular, from taking on leadership roles in society.

The task force is also considering the role of the business community in promoting active citizenship. There is much evidence that the corporate sector is willing to contribute positively to wider society, for example, through its staff volunteering initiatives, particularly in disadvantaged communities. This can present an opportunity to develop new skills among employees that they would not otherwise acquire in their jobs, thereby benefiting their organisations and themselves. We must ascertain ways in which to enhance, through our work, the role that can be played by the corporate community.

The task force is also seeking to learn about the experience of local communities and determine how participation levels can be increased and whether the Government can help communities to work together more effectively and draw on their own unique strengths. One must consider the experiences of community and voluntary organisations today and the main challenges they face. We must determine how to help them overcome these challenges so they can get on with the very valuable work they do in society.

The task force presents an opportunity for public debate on an issue of great significance for the future of the country. The questions raised may not have simple answers but our job is to identify practical policies that can shape the underlying culture and values at a time of change in Irish society. To do this effectively, we need everybody's input and ideas. We have been encouraging people who come to the public consultations to go back into their own neighbourhoods, communities and workplaces to spread the message in order that the people who are not present will try to become engaged in the general conversation.

The task force has a very short timeframe in which to report. We are discussing issues of very long-term importance and which will no doubt take much longer to address than the nine months the task force has been given to implement some of the recommendations emerging from the consultation process. We are really keen, therefore, to secure input from all quarters and we welcome the views of committee members also. We will be considering reports that have been published on these issues, including the committee's own report on volunteering, a copy of which we have. As was stated, much work has been done in this regard to date.

I would be delighted to hear the views of the members and receive some feedback. I would also be delighted to receive a submission from the committee, in its own time. It would be very helpful to us in the work we are doing and ultimately in making recommendations to the Government. I thank the committee for the opportunity to attend, which I really appreciate.

We are under time pressure and I ask that members be concise. I will try to lead by being concise on three issues. First, what is the final day on which we can make submissions, either personally or as a committee?

Second, Business in the Community told us it was aware of a number of issues and knew a number of people who needed help. The organisation was in a position to offer help but there was no facility for it to find out who needed it. This issue was raised in our report on volunteering. Does Ms Davis believe there is scope for an initiative such as the American community spirit awards, such that communities could be supported by businesses?

Third, there has been much capital investment but the Government has not invested much in social capital. Do we need a person in every townland paid to co-ordinate expert volunteers, be it in politics, sport or other fields? Many are still volunteering in sport but an expert might be required rather than Johnny's second cousin who won a medal in such a year. There really needs to be an expert. We are being asked to produce co-ordinators for politics but we are not paying them fully. Do we need someone to act as a catalyst to co-ordinate volunteering and thus generate higher numbers of volunteers simply by being physically present? Ms Davis might know the answer from being in charge of the Special Olympics.

I welcome Mary Davis. The Taoiseach was very wise in appointing her to her job. There are many demands on her to chair various agencies and groups and I am very confident she will produce a practical proposal following her consultations throughout the country.

The issue of active citizenship has always interested me. As politicians, we have a very important leadership role to play in communities. I try to divide functions between what I do in the Dáil, what I do in the community and what I do on a personal level. The most important work I can do in Opposition is in the community through being involved in community groups. I am actively involved in approximately ten community groups on a weekly basis and am associated with other community groups. Given my involvement as a volunteer in such groups, I have first-hand experience of the burn-out that affects volunteers. Has this come across in the meetings with those who have been involved in community groups for 30 years? Community groups I know have had the same people volunteering for 30 years and many of them are now burned out. Young people are not coming in, however. Those in their 20s and 30s are busy now, with both partners working. They are cash rich but time poor. They are not in a position or not prepared to give the time our generation was able to give. How do we attract that sort of person into voluntary groups across the country?

I was spokesperson on rural affairs for two years in the mid-1990s and I always stressed to groups that they should encourage retired people to share their expertise and give them influential roles. In all communities, there is a vast reservoir of expertise but the people concerned will not get involved unless they are asked or their role is recognised and appreciated. What measures have been put in place to attract them?

Is the funding of voluntary organisations being addressed? It costs people to be involved in voluntary organisations most of the time. When fundraising takes place, they chip in first and they must also contribute to other organisations so they can expect help in return. This is a core issue. What mechanisms can be put in place to ensure support groups are not out of pocket?

People may not want to become involved because of insurance issues and codes of practice. Have those acted as barriers?

I welcome Ms Davis and wish her every success with this important project. She mentioned the values that underpin Irish society, particularly in the context of a changing Ireland with a high level of immigration. Not enough is happening on integration and the outcome of non-integration in Europe, where those who come in are not in a position to aspire to the best quality of life, has become increasingly obvious. This should be urgently attended to.

It would be a good exercise for us to express the values that underpin our society. The old idea of a meitheal, where people got together to carry out a large task for one person, is part of our community ethos. It may not be active citizenship in the strictest sense but it is still part of what makes society better. The State will never be able to provide for all the areas necessary so we must do what we can to support what the State cannot.

There is a great deal of goodwill. Deputy Deenihan's point about channelling volunteers into areas where they have expressed a desire to do things on behalf of others is worth consideration. Ireland is not as pleasant a place to grow old in as it used to be. Isolation has become an issue, and the extended family, because of urban sprawl, does not exist to the same extent.

Every effort must be made in the consultation process to reach out and include those who feel alienated, whether in the context of feeling fearful or excluded from the benefits of economic prosperity. We are talking about active citizenship and it is vital that everyone feels part of society. That involves hearing the views of the alienated and taking on board their concerns.

I welcome this consultation process and am pleased that it will take place in Cork tomorrow evening. I hope to be there.

There is an ongoing frustration within current voluntary organisations about a plethora of reports that have been published without action being taken as a result. The White Paper on voluntary activity is now several years old. Perhaps in the consultation process and the submissions Ms Davis's committee receives, a sense of that frustration might become apparent to the task force. Not only was the White Paper not followed up on, the attempt by voluntary organisations to breath life into the process with the Tipping the Balance document was similarly thwarted by a lack of responses from official quarters.

Ms Davis highlighted the fact that this committee produced an excellent report recently and hopefully that will help the process. While I do not want to start on a negative note, however, political recognition of the value of volunteerism is flawed. The task force faces a major challenge in remedying that situation.

The task force inherited its title. I do not know if Ms Davis was at the umbrella organisation's AGM in Croke Park earlier this year but there was a lot of negative reaction to the term "active citizenship". Questions were asked as to why it was replacing "volunteer" which is recognised and has a value in our society. When the task force has its debate it should concentrate on addressing that notion.

I do not want to pre-empt the findings of the task force but it is not a case of reinventing the wheel. The answers for many involved in voluntary activity appear simple — recognise the work that is being done and provide sufficient resources to ensure the work is done well. Most importantly, the State should put in place proper support systems to enable the work to continue without taking advantage of that work, which is often done by state agencies in other countries.

I welcome the chairperson of this important initiative for which we have waited years. There are some eminent and representative persons on the task force, none more so than the chairperson, which is an exceptionally good start. The extensive consultation is also important. I compliment Ms Davis on the publication, "Together, We're Better". Often consultation results in large documents which people do not have time to read. In this case the taskforce has isolated and identified some important questions.

The concept of active citizenship has been the subject of debate and legislation in America for decades, almost to the point of being over-clinical but it has happened organically within the community in Ireland. The definition in this document focuses on the individual, the community and organisations so it is not possible to generalise in one direction. Often the infrastructure for active citizenship is provided by organisations, for example, in Cashel, a town of 3,000, there are 37 active organisations. The community would be much poorer without them because the State and public service depend on them to a significant degree.

There are nevertheless problems and challenges for active citizenship, to meet which this task force came together. The difficulty was that nobody focused on those challenges but reacted to the latest fault or incident, which is the worst way to legislate or improve community activity. I am sure that the final report will offer some interesting and revealing answers, many of which are expected while others are not. We need to focus on the complexity of the issue.

Citizenship does not occur in isolation but involves interaction between the private and public sectors. Local authorities often provide funding for specific projects for community organisations. It is necessary now to bring together all the strengths within the community, without taking away from the autonomy or independence of those who provide services rather giving them a sense of importance and empowering them with resources to do more work. Lack of generosity is not a problem and I do not subscribe to the idea that voluntarism is depleted because I see too many cases where that is not so. Often, however, when people want to do something in keeping with the standards expected today they require limited resources but when these are not made available their enthusiasm is deflated.

I wish the task force and its chairperson well. This is long overdue and comes at the right time. Unless it has teeth, however, people whose hopes have been raised will be disillusioned, as has happened with other initiatives. We must generously acknowledge what is there and be radical in our reappraisal of the gaps. Above all, we must be able to make a case for resources where they are needed, if that is one of the duties of the task force.

I welcome Mary Davis, chief executive of the Special Olympics Ireland, who is pushing this task force on active citizenship. It is a good appointment. Her reputation is second to none, and some would say if Mary Davis is in charge there is no need for anybody to do anything because it will be a success anyway. If there was a Mary Davis in every county we would have a great country. I am delighted to see her here. It is an honour to be in the same room as her, given all the work she has done.

I saw her slip-up recently on television, however, when she got the score wrong in the all-Ireland football final. Apart from that, everything seems have to worked out well for her until now. If they make her the trainer or manager of the team it might stand a better chance next year.

Being a politician I am the first member of my family to be paid for doing active community work. My grandfather and father did exactly what I do for years but received no salary or fee because they did not end up in Dáil Éireann. There are many good people in Longford who at times need to be reminded of their duty and there are others waiting to be tapped, for example, those who are retired and want something to do. They do not want a 24-hour a day, five days a week job but would do a couple of hours.

I have seen this work, for example, in a place I visited in San Francisco run by the St. Vincent de Paul Society, where approximately 500 people a day are fed. There are some conditions one must meet but there is one chief executive and everyone else is a volunteer. There is no problem getting volunteers to do an hour a day. People will do this work provided they do not have to take full responsibility.

I wish Ms Davis well. I have no doubt the task force will be successful. I have no questions but a few comments on civic participation. Voting in local elections, contacting a local councillor or TD on an issue of public interest or attending a public meeting are important.

For as many times as one advertises an event, or that one is available, it is difficult to communicate the easiest message to people. Many of us have been in office a long time, and I am sure others share my experience of hearing people say "Oh, you have an office" when I suggest that they see me there, although it is advertised every week in the local newspaper.

Somebody involved in marketing must be able to tell us how to get important messages to the people who need them. For example, when we wanted to deliver a message about the dangers of cocaine we were advised to post a version of the Jack and Jill story inside the doors of toilets in pubs. In other words, the marketing was aimed at places where it was needed. As Deputy Deenihan said, one could be volunteering for 30 years and be burnt out but new people will not volunteer because they leave it up to the usual suspects. It is a difficult balance between reaching the usual suspects and tapping new resources.

If a task force report states it should all be done through education, there will be a rebellion from teachers. The committee was informed that 50% of children's sense of right and wrong is already established by the time they are six years of age. Whether they get involved in sport depends on what they see at home. Trying to tap into this at primary school age can be a difficult job. Should the task force report examine parenting skills and the establishment of parenting programmes to assist parents in interacting with their children? Through this we could tap into volunteering activity that parents and children could be involved in prior to entering school. Many mothers suffer from undiagnosed post-natal depression and it, in turn, can lead to behavioural difficulties for the children involved. Those are the people who will not be the active citizens in the future.

Ms Davis

From many of the issues and comments raised at this meeting, either the committee's research is good or it was at some of our sessions. The matters raised constantly come up at our sessions, such as the insurance code of practice. We need to make a recommendation on that matter. The idea that the younger the child the better and getting to them through the parent is critically important. This can be done through continuing and adult education for parents in understanding the importance of inculcating a sense of civic spirit in their children from a young age. What the child sees at home and in the school is relevant.

No matter what organisation one is involved with, communication is always an issue. For the Special Olympics World Games, I remember our greatest headache was trying to communicate with all the different aspects involved. If we could have found a magical solution to that, it would have been fantastic.

There are volunteer centres in Sligo, Galway and Monaghan but who knows they are there. We go so far sometimes with awareness but then do not go the rest of the way. The White Paper, Tipping the Balance, and the committee's report on volunteerism were referred to. Some work has been done on these recommendations but we are not good at telling what has been done. We need to get better at this.

The task force is hoping to find some mechanism of reporting back before it makes its final recommendations. When the final report is produced, it is hoped it will be short like the consultation document and that the recommendations will not be too lengthy. It will be a short and sharp report with few recommendations but ones that we hope will be aspired to and taken on board.

With that positive conclusion, we will submit the Official Report of today's proceedings to the consultation. I wish Ms Davis and all those working with her well in this important work.

The joint committee adjourned at 5.15 p.m. sine die.
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