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JOINT COMMITTEE ON EUROPEAN AFFAIRS díospóireacht -
Tuesday, 2 Feb 2010

Spanish, Belgian and Hungarian EU Presidencies: Discussion.

The first item on the agenda are the priorities of the Spanish Presidency of the EU and the 18-month programme of the Spanish, Belgian and Hungarian Presidencies. I welcome the following: Her Excellency Ms Mercedes Rico, Spanish ambassador to Ireland; His Excellency Mr. Robert Devriese, Belgian ambassador to Ireland; and His Excellency Mr. Ferenc Jári, Hungarian ambassador to Ireland. I apologise if I mispronounced their names.

I remind the witnesses that members of the committee have absolute privilege but this same privilege does not apply to witnesses appearing before the committee, even if they are important witnesses. I remind members of the long-standing parliamentary practice that they should not comment on, criticise or make charges against any person outside the Houses or an official either by name or in such a way as to make him or her identifiable.

It is part of the joint committee's programme of work to review the priorities of Presidencies as set out annually by the European Union. The current Presidency is a very important one as it is the first of the post-Lisbon treaty era. It is the first to chart the course of the future development of the European Union but will build on the success of the past. Since the European Union was formed, considerable progress has been made to bring the European nations together to act as one and for the benefit of all. The European Union has benefitted economically, socially and politically and it is important that the Union proceeds in a constructive fashion

H.E. Ms Mercedes Rico

I thank the Chairman and members of the committee for allowing me to present the programme of the Spanish Presidency, which started on 1 January 2010. In the past few months, as the Chairman said, we have witnessed historic events in the European Union. The Lisbon treaty, with its new legal framework and instruments, came into effect on 1 December, opening a new chapter in the history of the European Union. The overall approval of the treaty by Irish citizens last October, described as "emphatic" by the Minister for Foreign Affairs, Deputy Micheál Martin at a meeting of this committee a few weeks ago, followed a rich and detailed debate in Ireland, probably without comparison in any other member state. One of the lessons we can draw from the referendum campaign is that the more knowledge people have about the Union the more pro-European they become. In this context our gratitude goes not only to parties and civic groups on the "Yes" side but even to the proponents of a "No" vote, who forced a great deal of thinking about the Lisbon treaty and Europe in general. They made everyone, not only those in Ireland, more aware of the stakes.

I commend the Oireachtas Joint Committee on European Affairs on its efforts to inform Irish public opinion and for its contribution to the debate and final approval by referendum of the treaty. I also commend the Minister for Foreign Affairs, Deputy Micheál Martin, and the Minister of State, Deputy Dick Roche, for their tireless effort to get a "Yes" in the referendum. Now, the 27-member European Union has the instrument it needs to face present and future challenges. This new era, full of expectations and challenges, will require a strong political commitment from citizens, political parties, civil society and member states.

I would now like to share some thoughts on the situation in Europe and the priorities of the Spanish Presidency of the Council of the European Union. This will be the fourth time Spain has held the rotating Presidency since our accession in 1986. On each of the previous occasions it held the Presidency, 1989, 1995 and 2002, we faced important challenges — the end of the division of the continent, the Single European Act and the common currency. However, the global crisis in which we are immersed today is unprecedented since the end of the Second World War which as we know, is at the heart of all efforts to work for European unity. As we embark on the second decade of the 21st century, we also face a completely new distribution of world power, a new awareness of the urgency to address climate change and a better consciousness of the need to reorient our economic model to be more sustainable and fair to those countries and people left behind. Therefore, the Spanish Presidency is being carried out at a critical time for Europe and the Union.

As members can see, the Belgian and Hungarian ambassadors are with me today. As one of the novelties introduced by the Lisbon reform, our three countries are the first ever trio-presidency. In accordance with the new treaty, we have worked hard to prepare our joint programme for the next 18 months, which was presented to the Council of Ministers for Foreign Affairs last December. It has been and is a very positive experience to give continuity and stronger consistency to the actions of the next three Presidencies. I would like to thank the Swedish Presidency for steering the European Union during the previous six months, particularly Ambassador Claes Ljungdahl for the good job he did here in Ireland.

What do we see as our task and what are the principal challenges to which we must respond? The slogan of the Spanish Presidency summarises our goal — innovating Europe. The moment has come to set in motion the Europe we wish to have, a stronger more united and more efficient Europe that will respond to citizens' concerns and needs. We should now consolidate the incipient economic recovery, turn Europe into a true global player and give the Union deeper roots to fulfil the will of those who render it legitimate, namely, European citizens. Within this context, Spain will exercise the rotating Presidency with a firm will to reinforce and transform the Union. As I said, it is about innovating Europe. The Spanish Presidency's main responsibility will be to ensure economic recovery by promoting sustainable growth that is capable of creating more and better jobs through environmentally friendly policies. To this effect, we aim to boost the co-ordination of domestic economic policies, a co-ordination that has already proven essential in fighting recession and which should now be strengthened ahead of the new EU 2020 growth and employment strategy.

It is also our responsibility to guarantee full enforcement of the Lisbon treaty as an essential requirement to develop the fundamental lines of action we have set forth for the next six-month period and a more efficient way of functioning in the future. Spain's will be a transitional Presidency and the Spanish Government will spare no effort to usher in the new institutions smoothly and to develop the new balances between the different centres of decision needed for a more efficient performance. In our view the Union will only grow stronger if it is eventually capable of building upon its citizens' support, participation and commitment. The citizens' rights, freedom and security will be at the core of our work. We will also make an added effort to reach a more effective equality between men and women. We will also do our best to communicate Europe to the people. We must put people first. The Lisbon treaty also offers a possibility of further developing and strengthening our Common Foreign and Security Policy so that Europe can assert its voice, values and interests in the international arena, foster a vision and promote lateralism as a move towards a fairer, more peaceful and balanced global order.

Let me give the committee a more detailed account of our approach to our priorities. Our first priority is economic recovery and job creation — Europe 2020 exiting the crisis. The economic recovery already under way should be further reinforced, avoiding the early withdrawal of both the financial sector support and demand-boosting measures. Spain is fully aware of the need to withdraw these measures as soon as the economic situation allows, but the exit strategy should be carried out in a co-ordinated, orderly, transparent and gradual manner, according to common criteria, but taking into account the macro financial situation of each country. Special attention should be paid to fiscal support measures, since the crisis has considerably eroded the fiscal position of most member states. The implementation of the Stability and Growth Pact will continue the necessary fiscal consolidation process to achieve sustainable public finances in the EU in the long run.

The framing of a new growth and employment strategy, Europe 2020, as a continuation of the Lisbon strategy, will be a suitable co-ordination instrument to structure the new growth model we need. The consideration of the new strategy should lead to its launch at the spring European Council, with the support of all the European institutions, member states and economic and social stakeholders. In designing the new strategy, the improvement of its governance should be specially considered to guarantee increased efficiency and commitment by member states. Likewise, special attention will be given to the strategy's external dimension, setting forth as objectives the fight against protectionism and the conclusion of the Doha Round. The new strategy will emphasise the European economic model's sustainability in three dimensions, namely, economic, social and environmental. Europe competes in a globalised world with emerging economies that have strong comparative cost advantages. The European economy should base its comparative advantage on competitiveness, innovation and knowledge. The new strategy should offer a renewed momentum to investment in research, development and innovation for which the new European innovation plan will be crucial. The Spanish Presidency will promote intensified research and development and investment intensifying the collaboration between public and private sectors. Furthermore, it will focus on developing emerging technological sectors, implementing information technologies and fostering SMEs and innovation.

The effects of the crisis have particularly undermined the labour market. The new strategy should render special attention to employment issues to guarantee social inclusion. In addition, we should deepen labour equality between men and women, eliminating any form of discrimination. In terms of education and training, the Spanish Presidency will promote the improvement of workers' skills to help them adjust better to labour market needs. We will strive for enhanced quality of education, and foster excellence in universities and professional training. A balanced flexibility and security should be promoted in order to secure a more efficient operation of labour markets. Furthermore, the Presidency will encourage the European social agenda to uphold the European social model.

As to environmental sustainability, the European economy should finally move towards a low emission economic model to fight climate change and generate new sources of economic growth. This transition should include as fundamental objectives the reduction of CO2 emissions, the use of renewable energies and increased energy efficiency. Top priority will also be given to biodiversity preservation initiatives. Environmental sustainability will be especially relevant for the European energy policy in the 2010-14 energy plan, which will, hopefully, be adopted by the spring European Council. Europe should also have a co-ordinated energy supply strategy, reinforcing infrastructures to improve member states' interconnectivity and diversifying energy sources.

Finally, we will pay special attention to the follow up to the Copenhagen conference on climate change in preparation for the Mexico conference in November 2010. Even though Copenhagen did not fulfil the EU's ambitions, it provided a basis for further work to reach our common goal — a legally binding international agreement.

The new sustainable and balanced economic model calls for a more efficient European financial system. Increasing the quality of its regulation and supervision is, therefore, necessary, as well as furthering the financial system's integration. The Spanish Presidency will work for the implementation of the new European financial supervisory framework and current regulatory reforms.

The fast and full enforcement of the Lisbon treaty is the second priority. To say first and second is perhaps not quite fair because they all go together. It will require setting in motion the new European Union institutions and the development of new practices. Now that the EU enjoys a new, more modern and more powerful legal and political framework, we should make the most of it.

The Permanent President of the European Council, Mr. Van Rompuy, and the High Representative for Foreign Affairs, Ms Ashton, have been appointed. These appointments are a significant improvement in the efficiency and visibility of the Union. Since last June we have a newly elected European Parliament, which is more powerful, and a new Commission will soon assume its functions.

I welcome the new Irish Commissioner, Mrs. Máire Geoghegan-Quinn , for different reasons. She is another woman in a leading role — something that is specially dear to me as a European woman and she has long political experience and an insight and knowledge of the EU. She will hold a key post as Commissioner for Innovation and Research, one of the priorities for our Presidency. Her success will also be ours. I wish her and the rest of the members of the new Commission well.

As a "transitional Presidency", it is our responsibility to make up for new arrangements within the new institutional framework. We shall chair several areas of the Council and we shall help the President of the European Council to perform his duties. He will chair next week's informal European Council. We shall also foster ongoing co-operation with the high representative who now chairs the monthly Foreign Affairs Council. In direct co-ordination with the President of the European Council and the high representative, we will do our best to ensure success at the summits with third countries for the coming six months. We shall also work on a permanent basis with the new European Commission and the European Parliament to move the Union forward.

The European External Action Service is a new challenge whose foundations were laid by the Lisbon treaty. The European External Action Service will provide further coherence and efficiency to the European Union's external action. Creation of this service, comprising officials from the Commission, the Council's General Secretariat and member states, also shows the Union's intention to reinforce its presence, efficiency and visibility in the international arena. It will be the responsibility of the Spanish Presidency to collaborate with the high representative and the European Parliament to promote enactment of the necessary legal rules to establish the European External Action Service and ensure its rapid implementation.

The solidarity clause between member states and the European Union, to provide mutual assistance in case of a terrorist attack or natural or human disaster occurring within the borders of the European Union, is also an innovative instrument that will reinforce the protection of European citizens. Its development requires a joint proposal by the European Commission and the High Representative, whose efforts will be fully backed by the Spanish Presidency.

In third place is a Europe of rights and freedoms, a Europe for all citizens. Strengthening of the European Union largely depends upon the development of its citizens' rights and freedoms. Bringing the Union closer to them by promoting their involvement in the life of the Community is a strategic objective that requires implementation of various initiatives.

The European Citizens' Initiative creates a more democratic Europe with the participation of its citizens. Through the new European Citizens' Initiative, European citizens may urge the Commission to formulate legislative proposals on matters they consider should be regulated at European level. The Spanish Presidency will work to make this instrument of direct democracy a reality as soon as possible. Spain implemented the European Citizens' Initiative in 1984. It has a good record in getting the Parliament to consider legislation. In nine cases, a popular issue has come before the Parliament, although only one was approved by it.

Europe has been, is and should be at the forefront in the defence and promotion of human rights. The Spanish Presidency will begin the European Union accession process to the Council of Europe's European Convention for the Protection of Human Rights and Fundamental Freedoms. This will show the Union's firm commitment to respect for human rights and will provide an additional guarantee for its effective protection.

The Union's capacity to eradicate gender-based violence should be improved. Creation of a European observatory to draw up a common diagnosis of this problem, as well as adoption of a European protection order for the victims, will be two essential initiatives that will be advanced by the Spanish Presidency to achieve concrete progress on this matter.

The Stockholm programme, which deepens the development of the European Common Space of Freedom, Security and Justice for the 2010-2014 period, is a key vehicle for Europe to efficiently face transnational threats such as organised crime, drug trafficking, terrorism or human trafficking. To enforce it, the Spanish Presidency will promote adoption of the corresponding action plan, which will develop the Union's political priorities on this matter and the monitoring instruments for its implementation.

The Spanish Presidency will encourage a common immigration and asylum policy, developing the agenda for the global approach on immigration and for the European Pact on Immigration and Asylum. We shall work to meet its objectives, namely, achieving an organised legal migration, fighting against illegal migration and human trafficking, and controlling the Union's foreign borders, strengthening co-operation with countries of origin and transit. Within this context, special attention will be given to unaccompanied immigrant minors. The Spanish Presidency will also encourage immigrants' integration policies, based on Union values, education, intercultural dialogue and access and promotion of job diversity.

In fourth place, Europe is a global, responsible and supportive player. Europe cannot miss the historic opportunity of assuming a relevant role in the configuration of the new international order. The present legal and institutional framework is a key asset to let the European Union strengthen its relations with its neighbours and strategic partners, consolidate its leadership in multilateral fora, assume its responsibility in conflicting areas and unfold its firm commitment in promoting peace, human rights and poverty eradication. The objective is to reinforce the EU's unity of action, to increase its visibility and to develop a genuinely common foreign policy, with ambitious goals and effective actions.

Smooth communication channels have also been established with the new EU positions to ensure the most dynamic response to the crises that might emerge in any potential scenario of conflict.

On Haiti, the terrible earthquake on 12 January with its dramatic death toll has shaken all of us. The EU had a leading role in the rapid response to the human drama and has committed its support to Haiti not only in the short term, but also in the long term to contribute to its reconstruction.

On co-operation for development, the Spanish Presidency will advocate observance of all international commitments regarding the fight against hunger and poverty, development financing and aid effectiveness. I stress the special relations between Irish Aid and the Spanish agency for overseas development in many fields, including the fight against hunger.

We will work tirelessly on the implementation of an ambitious European policy with a view to the United Nations millennium development goals conference. The Union will play an increasingly growing role in promoting an active and efficient multilateralism in resolving global problems, specifically by reinforcing the United Nations system. The Spanish Presidency will give special relevance to the consolidation of the Human Rights Council and the abolition of the death penalty. It will make a special effort to endorse the development of our Common Security and Defence Policy and for the EU to reinforce its role as an international referent in terms of crisis management. Work along this line will continue to increase the Union's civil and military capabilities.

During this six months, we will have a series of important regional and bilateral summits. Spain will host the EU-Latin American-Caribbean summit at which approximately 50 Heads of State and Government will gather, and a second summit of Heads of State and Government of the Union for the Mediterranean at which approximately 50 Heads of State will gather. In addition, during the Spanish Presidency the EU will hold bilateral summits with several key countries. Transatlantic dialogue between the EU and United States and the EU and Canada will be invigorated to consolidate a deeper and more integrated co-ordination to respond to main international issues and global problems.

The Spanish Presidency will continue to work to achieve a qualitative leap forward with Latin America and the Caribbean. We shall highlight the new strategic nature of EU-Mexican relations and shall advance the negotiations for the commercial agreement with Central America, Andean countries and Mercusor. The prosperity and stability of Europe and neighbouring regions are intertwined. Spain will emphasise the defence of the unitary nature of the European neighbourhood policy and push the balance of progress of Mediterranean and eastern dimensions.

In March, Spain will host the first ever summit meeting with Morocco. Spain and the European Union will make all possible efforts to achieve a breakthrough in the Arab-Israeli conflict and will remain firm in their defence of a two-state solution. Efforts will also be made to continue promoting the eastern partnership to facilitate the progressive approach of these six countries to the European Union. In addition, we shall promote the building of a strategic relationship with Russia as a key global player based on an earnest and constructive approach of our common interdependency.

The Spanish Presidency will firmly support the continuity of the EU enlargement process. Croatia's accession negotiations will be intensified with a view to a prompt conclusion. Negotiations with Turkey will continue at a suitable pace and a possible initiation of negotiations with FYROM and Iceland will also be addressed. The future integration of other western Balkan countries will be considered. The Spanish Presidency will also consider Asia. We propose to renew an increasingly closer relationship between the EU and Japan and to pay special attention to co-operation with China, India and the ASEAN. We shall further our relations with Pakistan and shall maintain the Union's firm commitment to Afghanistan's security, democratic strengthening and economic and social development.

I thank members for the patience and attention and look forward to hearing their questions and comments.

I thank the ambassador for her wide-ranging coverage of this issue. There are three topics on which I would like to touch. In the ambassador's reference towards the end of her contribution to EU enlargement, there was a clear difference in enthusiasm in regard to Croatia and the use of the words "suitable pace" in respect of Turkey and Iceland. The use of these words indicated no enthusiasm or urgency in that regard. Perhaps the ambassador would state her view on the matter.

Does the ambassador foresee any challenge to the new arrangements. Given the appointments of Mr. Van Rompuy as the permanent President of the Council and Ms Ashton as the High Representative of Foreign Affairs, does she foresee any clash in terms of her own role and that of Belgium and Hungary in the years ahead? From a public perception point of view, a question arises in regard to the role of the President of the Council compared with the ambassador's role.

I visited the United States last week and was impressed at the move by Mrs. Obama to set a target to eradicate obesity within one generation. I met the chef of the White House who is a member of the team involved in meeting that challenge. A topic we in Europe need to consider is whether everything should be done at European level or whether subsidiarity remains important. It appears to me that such issues as health and obesity are better handled by individual nations. Does Spain have a view on the type of topics that should be handled at national level as against those that should be handled at European level?

I join with other speakers in welcoming Ambassador Rico to the meeting and thank her for providing us with a comprehensive and substantial submission. It will be a great achievement if she can cover every issue outlined. The ambassador has left no stone unturned in her submission.

I join with the ambassador in commending the Swedish Presidency for the assistance it gave to Ireland in its preparations for the passing of the Lisbon treaty. I thank in particular Ambassador Ljungdahl for his work and the courtesy he extended to us. It is with a certain amount of regret that I note the Swedish authorities, through no fault of the ambassador, have indicated they will close their embassy in Ireland in August 2010. I believe the joint committee should take the opportunity to write to the Minister for Foreign Affairs asking him to contact his counterpart in Sweden with a view to reconsidering that decision. This is a serious issue. We have had strong ties with Sweden for many years. As I understand it, Sweden is the lead group in the EU battle group of which Ireland is a part and has served with in Kosovo. While this issue may be outside our remit, perhaps we could request that the Swedish authorities reconsider this decision.

I have a question for all the ambassadors which I accept they may not be free to answer. It is important that countries have a presence in other countries, particularly European states. I believe all countries are represented in Ireland with the exception of Luxembourg which has an embassy in London. Perhaps the ambassadors will give their view on that matter and will state if their countries intend scaling back on embassies abroad. The recently published McCarthy report referred to the rationalisation of our embassies. While one can always appreciate the need for efficiencies, the concept of closing embassies, particularly in Ireland's case, is not helpful.

Senator Quinn has already broadly covered the presentation delivered by Ambassador Rico. Is there anything tangibly different in terms of the role of the Presidency post-Lisbon compared with pre-Lisbon? I accept it may be too early to give a definitive answer in this regard. However, perhaps the ambassador will state if any issues have come to light. With regard to the disaster in Haiti and the ambassador's reference at the end of her contribution to the European commitment to development aid, was consideration given to using members of the EU standby force to assist on the ground in Haiti?

I join with the Chairman and other speakers in welcoming the Spanish ambassador, Ms Rico, and her colleagues from Belgium and Hungary. I thank the ambassador for a very comprehensive and detailed speech. I also welcome the very impressive and ambitious Spanish programme for the Presidency of the EU. It is fortunate that innovation and jobs are top priorities for the Spanish Presidency at a time when Ms Máire Geoghegan-Quinn has been appointed as Commissioner for that portfolio. Perhaps we could take the opportunity of inviting the Commissioner, once she has settled into the job, to come before the joint committee to discuss how she intends to co-operate with the Spanish Presidency in that regard.

I am a parliamentary representative in the Euro-Med agreement, also known as the Barcelona process. I welcome the ambassador's emphasis on the deepening of relations between the countries of northern and southern Europe. The fact that there is to be a first EU-Morocco summit is very encouraging and I urge the Spanish Presidency to further deepen the process because both sides have much to gain. The Barcelona Process has been very successful but it is a programme that needs constant political drive and assistance. Nevertheless, in the areas of the environment, energy and food we can all be winners in the process. Does the ambassador envisage a role for the more northern European countries? Spain, France and Italy seem to make the running in the Euro-Med process while countries from further north in Europe do not seem to become as involved, although Ireland has been involved from the beginning.

My second question is on the Middle East. I welcome the fact that Spain will support resumed peace negotiations between Israel and Palestine with a view to achieving a global, fair and lasting solution to the conflict. The ambassador also referred to an upgrading of association agreements with Israel, Tunisia, Egypt and Jordan within the European neighbourhood programme. The ambassador may be aware that, after the bombing of Gaza, the Minister for Foreign Affairs, Deputy Micheál Martin, said that there could not be business as usual with Israel. The Israelis have been seeking to upgrade the association agreement but such an upgrading, which I otherwise support, cannot take place unless Israel observes human rights. Has this point been considered by the Spanish Presidency? Is the ambassador in a position to give an assurance that human rights will be a condition precedent to any proposed upgrading of relations between the EU and Israel?

I extend a welcome to all ambassadors and wish Spain well in the Presidency of the European Union. I wish to raise a point which was not mentioned in the ambassador's contribution. It concerns Greece and the support it needs and receives from the European Union in dealing with its fiscal difficulties. Many countries, including Ireland and Greece, are beginning to experience what it means to be part of monetary union. We were very lucky to have given up our currency at a time when the European economy and that of its national constituents were doing very well. In the more difficult times we are now experiencing, some of the limitations are becoming apparent to go with the benefits that also exist. Events in Greece and the way it is supported will be a real test of European solidarity, just as the treatment of our country was a test of European solidarity in the second half of last year, when we needed the support of the European Central Bank. A balance needs to be struck between the support given to an individual country and the need to avoid encouraging behaviour which undermines the country in question. It is desperately important to find this balance.

I welcome our new trio of EU Presidencies and I thank Her Excellency, Ms Rico, for a very comprehensive presentation. The programme for the Spanish Presidency is very ambitious and, if delivered in full, will be very impressive.

Economic recovery has to be a central platform of any programme at this point. I was glad to hear that the Spanish Presidency is putting the emphasis on growth and unemployment and pursuing the social model in that respect. The ambassador said the Presidency would insist on the early implementation of a new system of financial supervision. The Dáil discussed the de Larosière report last week and the amendments made to it. It is desirable to have the macro and micro supervisory mechanisms in place as soon as possible and I welcome the commitment to those.

We would all like considerable emphasis to be given to small and medium enterprises which are experiencing difficulty in getting regular credit, creating haemorrhage of employment in the sector. This is the case, to varying degrees, in other countries in the EU.

I am sure we will be in touch on issues relating to the implementation of the Lisbon treaty, such as the role of national parliaments and the citizens' initiative. Deputy Timmins asked about the role of the EU External Action Service. I congratulate the Swedish ambassador, Mr. Ljungdahl, on the good work he has done but it is disappointing that the Swedish Embassy intends to withdraw from Ireland. To what extent is its closure a result of the EU external action service? Are all 27 member states re-evaluating their external diplomatic services and making unilateral decisions rather than one co-ordinated decision? The closure of the Swedish Embassy came as a surprise to us and we do not know whether other embassies will make the same decision. Has there been internal consultation with the new service to ensure we do not create a hotch-potch of embassies and a lack of representation that might be damaging in the long term?

I am glad the ambassador emphasised rights and freedoms because they are long overdue. I welcome the European Convention on Human Rights and our support for the United Nations. I also welcome the support given to fighting gender-based violence but trafficking and drugs have particular resonances for an island community. There seems to be an approach for dealing with those crimes across land borders but how are they to be tackled across sea borders?

Finally in the context of the role of the European Union as a supportive and responsible global player, I think it could have done better in Haiti. Europe provided a great deal of support and resources but one would have expected high profile leadership from a newly-appointed High Representative for Foreign Affairs. Instead, a plethora of NGOs and the United States made things happen. The European Union is the largest donor of aid in the world, but there was very little reference to the role it played and that should be addressed.

On the point made by Deputy Mulcahy on the Middle East, a very robust statement was made on 8 December by the European Union on the Middle East and I would like to see the pursuit of peace in the Middle East as a central part of the platform.

In much the same vein, in terms of policy neither the Middle East nor Afghanistan seem to have been taken very seriously by the European Union. The running on the situation in the Middle East has been left to the United States which has failed dismally over the decades. We are the major contributors to trade with Israel and to donor aid to the Palestinian people, yet we take a back seat when it comes to Israel all along. On 9 December the request by the Minister for Foreign Affairs to visit Gaza was refused. It is intolerable that a Foreign Minister of a member state of the European Union, which has a preferential trade agreement with Israel, should be denied access to Gaza. The European Union should have been very vocal in ensuring that sort of behaviour did not occur again.

The European Union seems to be drawn into the conflict in Afghanistan on the coat-tails of the United States and Britain. We have a policy of reconstruction, but are not asserting our position. I am delighted the ambassador raised this issue in the presentation.

I join with others in welcoming Her Excellency Ms Mercedes Rico, Spanish ambassador to Ireland, as part of the trio Presidency. Spain is a country with which we have such rich ties. I was very interested in her emphasis on employment knowing that Spain also has a high level of unemployment, perhaps even a higher percentage than we are experiencing in Ireland, also based on the severe slow down in construction. I hope that when she responds, she will be able to confirm my assumption. What steps are being taken in Spain to combat unemployment? It would be of great interest to us if we could look at strategies and emulate those that were successful. Unemployment remains a stubborn problem and if it continues in spite of the striving for growth, Europe will lose much of its potency.

I noted also the emphasis on education and training and on the social dimension to work and life in Europe. Too often when economies are in a trough, there is the inclination to disband the social agenda and dilute workers' rights. The social aura which surrounds employment should be intensified, in spite of the significant levels of unemployment in Europe. The disparity in the rates of unemployment in European countries is amazing. Spain and Ireland among others have very high rates of unemployment, which other countries appear to have weathered.

Like Senator Quinn, I too am interested in Croatia's efforts to join the European Union. There was a note of decorum in Ms Rico's remarks on Turkey and I wonder how Spain views the accession of Turkey. To my mind Turkey has some way to go in how its laws treat women before it could dream of joining the EU and I would like to hear Ms Rico's views on that.

I think it is a very good idea to form a trio Presidency and that novel innovation is echoed here in that the three ambassadors are present.

I thank the ambassadors for their presence. Before I address my questions to the Spanish ambassador, may I query if it is appropriate to raise the issue of the Swedish decision? Should we write to the Swedish Government about that decision? The ambassador from Sweden was here around the time we were taking decisions on the banking crisis. It was very informative to have someone explain what steps were taken in Sweden to deal with the crisis. It would be a big loss to lose the Swedish embassy.

The ambassador referred to education and training in her presentation. I think Spain has a higher percentage of people going on to third level. Our level of transfer is relatively good, but not good enough. The European Union Presidency should not only promote excellence in education, and the priority should be education. Through its membership of the European Union, Ireland benefited from the European Social Fund. The fund provided aid to our educational institutions, particularly the institutes of technology, which were able to provide free third level education long before the universities and this widened access to education and provided training to people in the areas of science and technology. We lost sight of the basis of our initial economic success.

Climate change was also raised. We need to move on from the idea of targets and other technical concepts that are very remote from the people. The European Union needs to promote the initiatives that lead to practical steps in local communities to improve the environment and save energy.

Spain has a socialist Government and I am glad that the emphasis of the presentation was on the need to deal with poverty. I would add to that the need to deal with inequality in terms of income in countries that are poor and those that are not poor. Many of the organisations that deal with poverty have lost sight of the fact that the way to help poorer people cope with climate change is to do something about the fact that they are poor. I have raised this issue previously at this committee. I was very pleased with the emphasis on the necessity to make progress in the Middle East and the Palestinian-Israeli conflict. The ambassador said it would be pursued by means of diplomatic efforts but I ask her to expand on that. It is important to develop links with both countries as a way to gain leverage and influence over the situation. What diplomatic steps does the Presidency intend to take?

The ambassador has received comprehensive responses on a range of issues, from Croatia, Turkey, the Middle East and Russia to the development of the EU project, the Common Fisheries Policy and Haiti. The three-year plan is laudable. Whether it is a three-year plan, a four-year plan or a five-year plan it is a great idea and a fundamental requirement. It is essential to appraise it on an annual basis and to check it against the targets that were set. A number of the other issues raised by the ambassador and committee members will also need to be appraised in this way as they have been with us for some time.

H.E. Ms Mercedes Rico

I will try to answer all the questions, beginning with those that address political issues. What can I say about the Middle East? Our Minister for Foreign Affairs, Mr. Miguel Ángel Moratinos, chairs the General Affairs Council and is much to the forefront in the Spanish Presidency. For several years he was EU envoy to the Middle East and, apart perhaps from former high representative Mr. Javier Solana, who held that post for ten years, nobody knows the complexities of the problem better than Mr. Moratinos. Nor is there anybody who is so personally committed to finding a fair solution.

Spain shares many things with Ireland, among them a similar public opinion in respect of the Middle East. We tend to spontaneously sympathise with the plight of the Palestinian people and everything I read in Ireland is very familiar in this regard. However, progress in the negotiations is very complex. The EU has a supporting role so a great deal of caution and diplomacy are necessary. We need to help negotiations start and foster them as they progress. Every country should play its role and the Minister for Foreign Affairs, Deputy Micheál Martin, can also play a role.

Several members asked about Turkey and what they perceived as a different approach towards that country from the approach taken to Croatia. The Croatian dossier has been slowed down by one member state's problems in allowing it to enter the EU.

That is Slovenia.

H.E. Ms Mercedes Rico

The Turkey dossier is much more complex and positions among member states, whether they are big or small, vary a great deal. However, I can speak for Spain. We want Turkey to become a full member as we think that would be the best way to guarantee human rights as a whole and women's rights in particular. To become a full member of the EU certain rights have to be respected and guaranteed by the legal system. Once that is achieved we believe Turkey belongs in Europe as Europe is a multicultural and multinational entity. Between 6 million and 7 million Turkish citizens already live in western Europe and it would be good to speed up the negotiations, both for the political situation in Turkey and the European Union. That, however, is a national position. As holders of the Presidency we are willing to help, to see if and up to what point progress can be made. My words are necessarily subtle because of the fact that Spain holds the Presidency and positions vary enormously on the subject.

I will also address the questions on unemployment. Both Spain and Ireland have very high unemployment rates, with Spain's even higher than Ireland's. Obviously, this is related to the importance of the construction sector in economic activity. The bursting of the construction bubble has meant an extraordinary growth in unemployment in both countries. In Spain an additional factor that makes it even more difficult is the fact that the labour market is somewhat more rigid than in Ireland. We have to develop a system in which a percentage of the workforce works on a part-time basis. This helps the economy as part-time workers can contribute as much, if not more, in the way of productivity than full-time workers, depending on the sector. Several options are being discussed with labour organisations which we hope will improve things in the future.

The education of the labour force as a whole is also an issue and, as Deputy Tuffy said, one of the key elements of the EU 2020 strategy is to make funds available for education to help bring down unemployment. Employers must also be conscious of the need to promote higher productivity. Countries throughout Europe have a productivity problem, but they also have important strengths. The problem is not just a question of cheap labour being available in China. We have a well-informed labour force, particularly in countries like Ireland, and this is one of the major assets in the productivity game. Considerations of the advantages or disadvantages of being a member of the eurozone take only a partial rather than a global view of the problem, but I will not go into that area.

Many of the issues that have been mentioned do not have much to do with the role of a rotating Presidency. One of the first questions put to me concerned the implementation of the Lisbon treaty and the EU External Action Service. The implementation of the Lisbon treaty is ongoing daily, but there is no roadmap for it. Therefore, the balances between the different institutions must be found as we progress. We have a strong, reinforcing President of the Commission, but the new Commission is not yet in place. We will have a very strong Commission comprising 27 strong personalities. We will also have a new, permanent President of the Council, a person with a great personality who already presides over the European Council. The rotating Presidency will have to find its place and continue to preside over the sectoral Councils. However, everything depends on how it evolves. What Spain wants is for it to work well, even if the role of the rotating Presidency is not as important as it used to be. We believe that if the Lisbon scheme works very well, the rotating Presidency will be less important than it has been in the past. There will be as much work for the diverse ministries and for Ministers for Foreign Affairs, but they will not be so much in the limelight, particularly whoever holds the Presidency. However, we think this is a good thing. We must help the European institutions get started and ensure solid trust develops among them and allow the new balances develop among the different institutions, including the European Parliament which has increased powers.

Questions were asked about the external action service and the closure of the Swedish embassy. This is a bilateral problem. I would like to inform my colleague of the comments made here today, but I think a letter should be written to the president of the committee. We regret the closure of the embassy, but the European Union allows each country its freedom with regard to its bilateral representation in any other EU country. Most of us have embassies in all EU countries, but there are some cases where a country does not. If the European External Action Service develops as fully as we hope and in accordance with the document presented by Sweden during its Presidency, Ms Ashton may be able to commence the external action service in April. However, this will only exist for EU concerns and will not stop bilateral relations. We hope to avoid clashes.

Subsidiarity is always a concern for the European Union, more so after the implementation of the Lisbon treaty which, even as it rationalises the structures of the Union, gives more importance to the nationalisation of EU policies. This is really the consolidation of subsidiarity.

It would be wonderful if we could embark on a programme of trying to eradicate obesity in one generation within the European Union, but I also hope we will remove poverty which is still, incredibly, part of the scene in many countries in the European Union. I am not sure I have answered all the questions, but I hope I have not omitted any important ones.

The ambassador has done very well. Is there another issue?

H.E. Ms Mercedes Rico

On Haiti, we want to continue work on a strategic EU rapid response capability. The tragedy in Haiti has been unlike any previous one as it was three or four times worse than the 2004 Asian tsunami. I feel there has been an excess of criticism of the inefficiency of international aid in general, not only that of the European Union. The catastrophe was so great that it is difficult to imagine how the assistance could have been organised in three or four days or even a week. We believe the EU response was, as it always is in natural disasters, quite quick and effective. Some 24 member states have a presence in Haiti, besides the EU presence. When the tragedy occurred, Spain held the rotating Presidency, but our ambassador was hurt in the earthquake and had to be evacuated. We put in a substitute for him from our embassy in Santo Domingo and then from Madrid. There is a very good EU team working in Haiti now in full collaboration with the United Nations, the United States, the main agencies, the Santo Domingo Government and the Haitian Government. I agree, the tragedy in Haiti has stepped up the debate about the need for the creation of a rapid response capability and the Spanish Government and Presidency will push for that.

I thank the ambassador and wish her and her colleagues every success and good fortune in achieving their goal. We hope you will achieve your goals. The points members have raised relate to an Irish perspective which also happens to be a European perspective. That is something the committee has consistently held a view on for as long as I have been here and that has been some time.

H.E. Mr. Robert Devriese

I will not make a speech as everything has been said about the Spanish programme and the programme for the next 18 months. However, reference was made to institutions. The ambassador has rightly said that for us it is very important that institutions work and are seen to be working properly. Here, we have an example already, because the trio is a new formation. We have been working together for more than a year on preparing this programme for the three coming Presidencies. That was facilitated by the fact that it just happened that we are three countries that have similar ideas or, at least, complementary ideas and a similar approach when it comes to Community matters. That greatly facilitated the work of this new formation.

A clash of institutions is likely to happen but it is not because some people had the wisdom to choose a Belgian as the President of the European Council but I happen to think they are the right people. If there are prima donnas in that position, there will definitely be a clash. We have the right people who will make the institutions work. A priority of our Presidency is to bring Europe closer to the citizen. That is done by showing that the institutions work properly. This will be a big challenge for all three of us in the coming months.

In regard to the role of the President, some will ask if the Presidency has any influence. Those who think that a Presidency is prepared by voting an agenda have it wrong. We are preparing our 12th Presidency. The 11 previous Presidencies have been quite successful not by imposing an agenda but by continuing to work on the work of the previous Presidencies and ensuring continuity. The Presidency is not disappearing. All Councils, except the Foreign Affairs Council, are still presided over by the Presidency. The Presidency briefs the European Council so it remains a very important role.

A link between the Swedish embassy and the European action service has nothing to do with the member states. There is definitely no link between the departure of the Swedish embassy and the European action service.

H.E. Mr. Ferenc Jári

I was still in Budapest in 2007 and I was a participant at the first meeting between the Spanish, the Belgian and the Hungarian foreign ministries at different levels when we prepared the so-called trio Presidencies. We had something different in mind at that time. Obviously we were preparing certain programmes and certain projects which could be foreseen at that time but we could not foresee the devastating financial and economic crisis which has come upon us in the meantime. Therefore, in the programme of the trio Presidencies, each of us will have our own individual programme for the Presidency.

The programme for the trio Presidencies is a reflection of the need of the hour. There is not much individualism in it. There is no attempt to impose certain national agendas. It actually deals with the issues Europe faces and not with certain national issues which we would like to include in the programme. This is a fortunate and balanced selection of the three countries. It is fortunate because all three countries pull in the same direction so we are unanimous in our basic approach to promoting a more integrated Europe. We are also a balanced group because our international outlook has its own peculiarities. The Spanish are more sensitive towards Latin America and the Mediterranean, the Belgians are more sensitive towards Africa, for example, and obviously we Hungarians would like to do something extra in connection with the eastern partnership summit. We will hold an eastern partnership summit during our Presidency.

Our understanding it that it is a very balanced trio which will deal with all the important issues. However, it will deal with the issues which life simply imposed on us and one will find that reflected in the trio Presidency programme and in the Spanish Presidency programme.

I thank the guests for their attendance and contributions to the committee. We welcome the indications you have given in regard to the cohesive development of the European Union and the European concept. That is very important in the time in which we live because economic theories have been challenged and have exploded. Social theories emerge and recede and so on. As well as that, people begin to get uneasy whenever the structures that have been in place and have served us so well seem to falter. That is when the people need reassurance and confidence. That confidence building can only be done by an entity such as the European Union in unison with the member states. Certainly this is not a time for any member state, as members have already said, to go in its own particular direction. States must act along with the rest of the Union.

It is also important to those member states who may feel vulnerable or isolated at any particular time, not necessarily at this moment, to be able to rely with confidence on their colleagues within the Union for support and advice. Based on that, the future development of the European Union will be secure.

The development of better relations with immediate neighbours through the Euro-Med, the eastern partnership or whatever is very important. It is essential that the European Union itself does not develop a fortress Europe syndrome which can create unnecessary suspicion among neighbours. That approach is welcome.

I thank the guests and wish them well in the course of the achievement of their plan.

The joint committee went into private session at 3.30 p.m. and adjourned at 3.35 p.m. until 9.30 a.m. on Thursday, 4 February 2010.
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