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Tuesday, 18 Nov 2008

Roma Families in Kosovo: Presentation.

I do not wish to delay Mr. Paul Polansky because I understand he has other commitments. If there are any other issues to be raised, I can deal with them after his presentation. Before I hand over to him, I advise that whereas Members of the Houses enjoy absolute privilege in respect of utterances made in committee, witnesses do not enjoy such privilege. Accordingly, caution should be exercised, particularly with regard to references of a personal nature.

It is a pleasure to welcome Mr. Polansky, head of mission, Kosovo Roma Refugee Foundation, and Ms Valerie Hughes of the Kosovo Ireland Solidarity Group. Ms Hughes is in the Visitors Gallery but if she would like to join us, she would be more than welcome. More than nine years after the conflict that led to their displacement, hundreds of Roma families in Kosovo continue to live in temporary camps. Mr. Polansky is here to discuss evidence of severe lead poisoning of Roma families in these camps and delays in relocating those at risk. He is an award-winning journalist, author and leading campaigner on Roma issues. A copy of his recent article on the issue in the Kosovo Post has been circulated to members. I invite him to address the sub-committee.

Mr. Paul Polansky

Two hours from here by aeroplane in eastern Europe are two death camps, mainly for children under the age of six years. If the children do not die by the age of six years, they will have irreversible brain damage for the rest of their short lives. The camps — there used to be four — have been running for nine years. They were built on the tailing pond stands of the biggest lead mine in Europe and next to a toxic slag heap of 100 million tonnes. They were built by the UN administration in Kosovo and its implementing partner, Action by Churches Working Together. The hurriedly assembled barracks were also built with old lead painted boards.

To date, 77 people have died in the camps, mainly due to complications from lead poisoning. More than 50 women have miscarried because of the lead poisoning. One woman and her baby died at childbirth. During her pregnancy she was being treated for lead poisoning. After her death it was discovered by a well known laboratory in Chicago that two of her surviving nine children had the highest lead levels in medical history.

According to medical experts from Germany and the United States who have visited the camps, every child conceived in them will be born with irreversible brain damage. These two UN camps are not a new story, although the number of deaths keeps rising. In April 2005 I wrote about them in the International Herald Tribune. Shortly thereafter, ZDF, a German television station, did a short feature programme about them, as did Al Jazeera. Bild , German’s largest newspaper, not only told the story, but also took eight children, after their mother and baby brother had died of lead poisoning, to Germany for medical treatment where body scans showed they had damaged organs and irreversible brain damage.

This is how it happened. On 16 June 1999, four days after NATO troops arrived, roving bands of extremist Albanians, led by black uniformed Kosovo Liberation Army officers, attacked almost every gypsy community in Kosovo. The gypsies were told to flee or they would be killed. Out of a pre-war population of about 130,000, more than 100,000 gypsies fled Kosovo during the next three months. After they left, more than 14,000 gypsy homes were looted and then destroyed. NATO troops refused to intervene, saying this was a problem for the local police, but there was no local police force at the time. The Serbs had been the local police force but they had been forced by NATO to withdraw to Serbia. I personally witnessed part of this diaspora because in July 1999 the United Nations asked me to volunteer to go to Kosovo and advise it on the gypsy problem. For three months I was the only non-gypsy living 24 hours a day in the United Nations's largest camp, by Obilich. During the day I often drove to where gypsies were being threatened. I especially visited the largest gypsy community in Kosovo, in south Mitrovica. There a community of more than 8,000 gypsies — Roma, Ashkali and Egyptians — living in more than 1,000 homes was being forced out, while NATO troops stood by and watched. Most of these Mitrovica gypsies fled abroad. Approximately 1,000 sought refuge in a Serbian schoolhouse closed for the summer. For the next few months I arranged water and food supples through several aid agencies for these gypsies.

In November 1999 the UNHCR took charge of these schoolhouse gypsies and moved them to four hurriedly built camps on toxic wasteland, the only places available according to the United Nations. I protested, informing UN officials, especially the head of the UNHCR in Pristina, that these toxic wastelands could be detrimental to the health of these internally displaced people, IDPs. However, the UNHCR assured me it had signed contracts with the local municipalities that these IDPs would be in the camps for only 45 days, at the end of which they would either have their homes rebuilt and move back or be taken as refugees to another country. Unfortunately, after almost nine years and many deaths due to lead poisoning, they are still living on toxic wasteland.

During the summer of 2000 the UN health officer for Mitrovica was asked by the UN administrator, Dr. Bernard Kouchner, to do a medical survey of Mitrovica because so many UN police officers and French soldiers had been found to have high levels of lead in their blood. In November 2000 the UN health officer's report was presented to the United Nations Mission in Kosovo, UNMIK, stating most people living in the city of Mitrovica were suffering from lead poisoning. It also stated the worst affected were the gypsies living in the UN camps and recommended that the camps be evacuated and the areas fenced off in order that the general public would not be able to accidentally wander in.

Dr. Bernard Kouchner, the current Foreign Minister of France, told his staff he was a medical doctor and understood the danger of lead poisoning. He promised to take appropriate measures. However, he only closed the smelter at nearby Trepca mines. He did not evacuate and close the gypsy camps as recommended in the report, although the lead levels were three to four times higher than among the general population. Instead of closing the gypsy camps, the United Nations built a 1.5 kilometre jogging track between two of the camps and the toxic slag heaps. It put up signs in four languages calling this jogging track the "Alley of Health". It also built on land next to 100 million tonnes of toxic waste a soccer field and a basketball court for the gypsy children. They were not told that exercise, opening the lungs, would make them more vulnerable to lead poisoning.

Despite repeated appeals to help the gypsies, especially those living in the three camps in the area of north Mitrovica, the United Nations did just the opposite. All food aid was suspended in 2002 saying it was time for the gypsies to find their own supplies. In the Zitkovac camp the running water was cut off for up to six months at a time because the camp administrator, Churches Working Together, felt the gypsies were using too much water. In the end, the Zitkovac gypsies had to walk four kilometres twice a day to get drinking water. In all three camps most of the gypsies had to go through the local garbage cans to find food.

In the summer of 2004 the WHO made a special investigation into lead poisoning in the three camps after Jenita Mehmeti, a four year old girl, died of lead poisoning. She was not the first. Up to that point 28 people, mainly children and young adults, had died in the three camps, but Jenita was the first to be treated for lead poisoning before she died. New blood samples taken by the WHO showed that many children, the most vulnerable to lead poisoning, had lead levels higher than the WHO analyser could register.

The standard procedure for the medical treatment of lead poisoning requires immediate evacuation from the source of poisoning and hospitalisation if lead levels are above 40 mg/dl. Irreversible brain damage usually begins at 10 mg/dl, especially in children under the age of six years, whose immune systems have yet to develop. Many of the lead levels of the gypsy children in these three camps were over 65 mg/dl, the highest level the WHO machine could read. WHO staff suspected some children, because of their symptoms, had lead levels in the 80s and 90s. As it turned out, two children had a lead level of 120 mg/dL, the highest in medical history.

In November 2004 the WHO presented its health report on the gypsy camps to UNMIK, recommending immediate evacuation. Although there were precedents for the UN evacuating thousands of Albanians and Serbians in Kosovo when they faced life-threatening events, these gypsies were not evacuated. The only measure the UN took was bimonthly meetings with UN agencies and other NGOs to study the problem.

Although many NGOs, including the International Committee of the Red Cross, petitioned the UN to immediately evacuate these "death camps" within 24 hours, no action was taken by the UN until 2006. In January 2006 the UN in Kosovo closed one of the gypsy camps and moved 35 families to a new location about 50 metres from the old camp. The new camp was called Osterode and it was formerly a French army NATO base in north Mitrovica, abandoned after many soldiers were found to have lead poisoning. All French soldiers serving there were told by French military doctors not to father a child for nine months after leaving the camp because of the high lead levels in their blood.

Nevertheless, the UN in its wisdom spent more than €500,000, donated by the German Government, to refurbish this camp. Feeling that most of the lead poisoning came from the ground, the UN cemented over much of the area and then obtained a certificate from CDC, the Center for Disease Control, a US-funded agency, that the camp was "lead safe." Although all these camps were built on the tailing stands of the Trepca lead mines, most of the lead pollution comes through the air from the 100 million tonnes of toxic slag heaps in front of the camps.

In September 2006, at his first press conference as head of the UN in Kosovo, Herr Joachim Ruecker proudly announced that the UN was doing something to help these gypsies dying of lead poisoning. In addition to moving them from their camps to Osterode, which he declared was not lead safe but "lead safer", the UN would begin to treat lead poisoning with a better diet. For the first time in four years food aid would now be given to the gypsies so that they would no longer have to go through the local garbage cans. The US office in Pristina donated $1 million for this better diet.

It is well known to medical doctors that a proper diet can lower lead leads by approximately 20% but only if the affected person is first removed from the source of poisoning. In the case of these infected gypsies, reducing their lead levels by 20% would still leave them with life-threatening levels. For the first time in four years, the UN also provided a daily medical staff to look after the health of these gypsies. Unfortunately, lead poisoning can only be treated once the patient is removed from the source of lead poisoning.

By spring 2006 two of the gypsy camps, Zitkovac and Kablare, had been closed, with more than 100 families now living in Osterode. After three months, blood samples were taken and according to UNMIK, the health of the gypsies was improving thanks to their new diet, and lead levels were falling. However, the WHO and UNMIK refused to share copies of these blood results with the public or even with the gypsy families. Later I was given copies of the tests by a disgruntled WHO staffer who was tired of the cover-up. The test results showed that the lead levels had not only risen, but that Osterode, the lead-free camp, now had higher lead levels than the nine-year-old Cesmin Lug camp.

In 2006 the UN announced that the only solution for the gypsies living on or near the toxic wastelands was to rebuild their homes in their old neighbourhood and move them back. The UN enlisted several international donors to rebuild some of the gypsy homes and several apartment blocks with the promise to move the lead-infected gypsies back to their old neighbourhood. Unfortunately, when these homes and apartments were finished in the summer and fall of 2006, the UN did not give all the apartments to the gypsies living on toxic wasteland but mainly to Kosovo gypsy refugees the UN wanted to bring back from Serbia and Montenegro to show that the return policy of refugees was working.

In April 2007 all food and medical aid at Osterode was stopped because the UN said it was running out of money. Once again the gypsies were forced to find their only food by going through the local garbage cans, but the worst of all was yet to come. As many children at Osterode and in the adjoining camp of Cesmin Lug were showing common signs of lead poisoning — lead on their teeth, daily vomiting, and memory loss — the camp leaders insisted on new blood tests. Random blood tests in April 2008 of 105 children showed staggering results. For many of the children living in the UN "lead safer" camp of Osterode, their lead levels had doubled since moving into the former French base.

As the UN and United Nations High Commissioner for Human Rights refuse to help these citizens of Kosovo, I have appealed directly to the Minister of Health for the newly declared country of Kosovo. Dr. Alush Gashi is not only a medical doctor but also a personal friend of mine for several years. He once lived and worked in San Francisco. I not only appealed to him by e-mail but also visited him in his office, begging him to help his minority citizens. He understands the problem and the position. As a medical doctor he knows these gypsies need to be evacuated immediately. In a recently filmed interview with Dr. Gashi, he acknowledged that these gypsies should be evacuated and they would be better off in prison than in the death camps. He said that USAID was funding a project with Mercy Corps to save these people.

It did not take me long to get a copy of the USAID and Mercy Corps project. It called for the resettlement of 50 of the 120 families living in the camps over the next two and a half years. There was no immediate medical solution for anyone living in the camps and evacuation was not mentioned. Later I found out that the author of the project has never even visited the camps, although USAID is handing over $2.4 million for this cosmetic solution.

Since 2005 we have tried to force the UN to help these gypsies. An American lawyer, Dianne Post, has tried to sue the UN on behalf of several hundred gypsies living in these camps. Her lawsuit against the UN at the Court of Human Rights in Strasbourg was turned down because the court declared that only a country, not an organization, could be sued.

The UN has a policy of compensation for such problems but UN lawyers for three years have refused to co-operate in seeking compensation for these gypsies or resolving their health problems. The UN does not deny responsibility but refuses to comply with its own rules and standards.

In 2005 the Society for Threatened Peoples, the largest NGO in Germany after the Red Cross, brought to Kosovo the leading German expert on toxic poisoning, Dr. Klaus Runow. Although the UN tried to bar him from the camps, he was able to take about 60 hair samples from the gypsy children. He sent the hair samples to a well known laboratory in Chicago and the results showed that not only did many of the children have the highest lead levels in medical history but that all had toxic poisoning from 36 other heavy metals as well. In trying to defend themselves, UN personnel have often claimed that the gypsies got their lead poisoning from smelting car batteries. However, Dr. Runow pointed out that none of these other toxic metals is found in car batteries.

Dr. Rohko Kim, a Harvard trained medical doctor employed by the WHO in Bonn, Germany, has been advising the UN on the lead poisoning in their camps in Kosovo. Although he is under orders not to give interviews or information about the gypsy camps, I got him to speak to me. I asked him if the lead poisoning was due to the gypsies smelting car batteries and he said it was not. He indicated most of the lead poisoning came from the toxic dust of the slagheap and from the fact that the camps were built on the tailing stands of the mines. He said that every child conceived in the camps would have irreversible brain damage. In a speech delivered in 2005 to the WHO, the United Nations Mission in Kosovo, UNMIK, and the Kosovo Ministry of Health, Dr. Kim said:

The present situation in the Roma community who are now living in the camps is extremely serious. I have personally researched lead poisoning since 1991, but I have never seen in the literature a population with such a high level of lead in their blood. I believe that the lead poisoning in north Mitrovica is unique, which has never been known before in history. This is one of the biggest catastrophes connected with lead in the world and in history.

To date, 77 gypsies have died in the UN camps. Even more miscarriages have occurred. The UN has never investigated a single death in the camps nor has it ever conducted an autopsy. However, from the symptoms described by relatives and neighbours, doctors consulted believe that lead poisoning contributed to most of the deaths and miscarriages.

A few months ago another gypsy baby died in Osterode. It was one month old and had been born with a large head, swollen belly and miniature legs. It woke at six in the morning, vomiting, and died 20 minutes later in hospital. Lead poisoning is a hideous and painful death for children. Four year old Jenita Mehmeti was attending the camp kindergarten when her teacher noticed she was losing her memory and finding it hard to walk. Jenita was sent back to her barracks where for the next three months she vomited several times a day, before becoming paralysed and dying.

When her two year old sister came down with the same symptoms, the UN doctor for Mitrovica refused to treat her, saying she was from a UN camp 1 km out of his jurisdiction. In 1999, the US office in Pristina airlifted 7,000 Albanians to Fort Dix, New Jersey, to protect them from Serbs. In March 2004, the UN police and KFOR evacuated 4,000 Serbs to KFOR bases to save them from Albanians. There are precedents in Kosovo for saving lives, but not 500 gypsy lives.

I appeal to the Members of Parliament. In Europe today we have a death camp for children. I ask the Members to help us evacuate this camp and put pressure on the United Nations in order to save these children.

I thank Mr. Polansky. The content of his presentation is a source of great and grave concern. On behalf of the Oireachtas Sub-Committee on Human Rights, I congratulate him on the work and research he has done and on the manner in which he made his presentation. He highlighted the appalling inhumane conditions that prevail.

When they saw the agenda that is circulated to all Members of the House, a number of my colleagues indicated their desire to avail of the House recording system to monitor today's proceedings and said they would read the content of the presentation. Colleagues across the broad political spectrum have expressed an interest in this matter. Deputy Aengus Ó Snodaigh, the Sinn Féin spokesman on international affairs, also signified his desire to attend today but, unfortunately, he was unable to do so because of other commitments. He drew to my attention that he has been raising this issue for the past number of years. One of the questions he sent me was tabled in April 2005 to the Minister for Foreign Affairs. He has tabled other questions since then. He is one of many colleagues who have expressed an interest in this area.

It is clear there is a need for all stakeholders to pursue, urgently, a satisfactory humanitarian solution. The Minister for Foreign Affairs, Deputy Mícheál Martin, has made comments in that regard concerning the bringing together of authorities. Clearly, sufficient work has not been done and there have been some cosmetic exercises. There are serious issues regarding lead contamination, permanent housing and appropriate diet.

The sub-committee will be anxious to work with Mr. Polansky, to find out in what ways we can contribute towards supporting action, and achieving desired targets and results. I look forward to continued interaction with him. It is open to us at present to identify what we can do on our own pitch. We can contact the Minister for Foreign Affairs and let him know of the proceedings here today. We can highlight our position and put to the Minister a number of recommendations or markers we would like to see pursued. We might take the matter up with some of our international authorities. I will be guided in protocol by the clerk to the sub-committee with regard to what our first step should be and how we should go about it. The goal is to achieve results and we are happy to work with Mr. Polansky. Ms Hughes may wish to comment later and there may be some questions.

I strongly support what the Chairman said, which was very judicious. I thank Mr. Polansky for coming, for providing us with film and with this excellent, clear and detailed brief. I had intended to leave but found the material so appalling that I felt obliged to stay. Too many people have avoided this situation. It is unspeakable that 60 years after the death camps in Germany one of the groups targeted by the Nazis is found again in what Mr. Polansky has called "death camps".

We must do something about this. When the Chairman has cleared the protocol, the sub-committee should issue a strong letter of protest to the local representative of the United Nations in Dublin. The matter should be taken up at every parliamentary level and we have been provided with a working brief to facilitate this. It is important that Mr. Polansky get maximum publicity. I do not see any members of the press here today and that is regrettable. However, I am sure the Chairman will be able to use his contacts to get this message onto the airwaves, with RTE, Newstalk and the independent stations. That is very important. We should explore the possibility of writing directly, as a group charged with looking at human rights issues. The behaviour of the United Nations is absolutely inexplicable, and highly political. This is horrible.

I wish to ask about Churches Working Together. Can Mr. Polansky offer more information on this organisation? Which churches are involved? Can we have some background on this body? It also should be subjected to questioning. I do not know of Churches Working Together but I assume it likely that this organisation intervened in a well meaning way in the beginning. Churches, particularly in this country, have a strong pro-life, as they term it, grouping. This can be positive or negative. Mr. Polansky indicated that the gypsies suffer from miscarriage, or spontaneous abortion. I would think it astonishing that any church which maintains a pro-life stance should collaborate in a situation which clearly induces spontaneous abortion. That is intolerable. These hypocrisies must be exposed and the more they are exposed in the public domain the more action we can get. That is my question.

We know of the United Nations and its failings. I personally strongly support it because, defective as it is, it is one of the few instruments we have internationally. I do not agree with the view of Mr. John Bolton that it should be dismantled completely and that a free market should be opened up in these areas. We must clearly examine the appalling vistas, to quote Lord Denning, that are sometimes revealed and address and cure them and not push them under the carpet. This is one of the most appalling I have encountered. If the delegation could give some information on the church's background and its position, perhaps we could help to move that forward.

I call Senator Daly.

I will ask a question afterwards.

Mr. Paul Polansky

The administrator of the camp is an organisation called Norwegian Church Aid. It makes up part of the membership of Churches Working Together. There are probably in excess of 100 churches worldwide which donate to Churches Working Together. My Methodist church in the United States of America donates to Churches Working Together. It was appalled when I informed it of the situation and it said it would probably stop donating. However, that is not a solution.

The only solution is evacuation, hospitalisation and medical treatment for these children. Every doctor who has visited the camp said every child conceived in the camps will be born with irreversible brain damage. I took eight children from the camp with the help of Germany's largest newspaper. When they were in Germany undergoing body scans, the German doctors pointed to a boy named Dennis, who was seven years of age, and indicated his liver was the equivalent of a 60 year old alcoholic who drinks a bottle of whiskey every day. That child will not live to see 30 years of age and the damage was all from lead poisoning. These are the people who really suffer. Their immune systems are not properly developed, which means any child under the age of six years will suffer organ and brain damage from lead poisoning. All blood tests taken in summer 2000, 2004, 2005, 2006, 2007 and 2008 show the highest lead levels in medical history, yet no one is evacuating the camps.

Mr. Polansky indicated in the presentation that there are approximately 500 gypsy lives involved. He also indicated one of the camps was closed and moved some 50 metres further downstream. He made the point and clearly it is worthy to support relocation. What are the practicalities involved in that relocation? Is it possible to relocate easily? Are there immense difficulties in relocation? Mr. Polansky referred to a figure of slightly more than $2 million coming from the USA and that it was cosmetic. Why is this happening, rather than relocation?

Mr. Paul Polansky

We must consider resettlement and evacuation. They must be evacuated as quickly as possible to a lead-safe area.

Can that be achieved?

Mr. Paul Polansky

We took 7,000 Albanians to Fort Dix, New Jersey. In March 2004 the UN evacuated 4,000 Serbs in a matter of hours to all the NATO bases in Kosovo to save their lives. Only some weeks ago, the Canadian Government took 300 Kosovo gypsies from a UN refugee camp in Bosnia and brought them to Nova Scotia. Why were they taken and not the gypsies suffering from lead poisoning?

Do we know that?

Mr. Paul Polansky

We know it. I personally know the families taken to Nova Scotia.

I appreciate Mr. Polansky is one man, for want of a better description. He may not have the knowledge available to the authorities, but why has there not been the same focus on relocation for these 500 lives as there has been with others?

Mr. Paul Polansky

I cannot answer that. I keep asking the UN that question, but it seems the left hand does not know what the right hand is doing in the UN.

It has happened in other areas, why not in this case?

Mr. Paul Polansky

The UN has a mandate only to help Albanians in Kosovo. I am sorry to say that has been my experience for nine years.

It is a very disturbing presentation. Mr. John F. Kennedy described the United Nations as the last best hope for mankind. It is appalling to think the United Nations is complicit — that is not the word — it is actually doing this. If a dictator behaved in this way we would be sending in armies, depending on whether there was oil in the country. The final line of the presentation urges us to do something about it. We cannot send in an army. We fund the United Nations, but it is hard to believe this is happening, not under its watch, but that it is actually doing it. It is aware of the problem.

Mr. Polansky remarked that in the UN the left hand does not know what the right hand is doing. Is there anyone in charge? Ultimately the Secretary General is in charge, but who is the person in charge of the camp? Who can take action? The committee has been asked to do something. Should we write to Churches Working Together and suggest it should do the opposite to its current practices? Should we write to the Norwegian Government, which is exemplary by any standards? It is probably one of the world leaders in helping countries in need of assistance. It is well aware that one of its leading churches is involved in this camp. We could write to the UN representative in Dublin, subject to protocol. Mr. Polansky urges the committee to do something to help. He has given this presentation in Europe and London. Can he indicate what the plan of action should be? What did he suggest in previous presentations?

Mr. Paul Polansky

Writing to everyone the Senator mentioned is a necessity. Putting pressure on the UN to evacuate is also a necessity. The UN considers resettlement. However, resettlement takes years as it involves finding land, building houses and raising the money to do all of that. The UN has talked of the resettlement of these gypsies for nine years. However, no one is considering a medical solution, on which we must concentrate. The only medical solution is evacuation, hospitalisation and medical treatment. The UN has an obligation and a duty to defend the health and human rights of these children. The children and pregnant women are the most vulnerable. However, all families must be evacuated as they are all suffering from lead poisoning.

Mr. Polansky made a very valid point. From the information available to the committee the evidence is clear and the medical research has been done. That is a given. Who has Mr. Polansky pursued in the past to address this issue? What is the name of the person with whom the issue has been taken up? What has the response been? Why have others been evacuated, but not these 500 gypsies? There must be answers to some of these questions and the questions asked by Senator Daly. What is the current proposal? Who, how, what, why and when can this be done? Does Mr. Polansky propose a particular course of action? For example, has there been contact with the UN High Commissioner for Human Rights? Has there been a response? A new government has been in place in Kosovo for eight months. Has there been any change of attitude, approach, protocol or procedure under the new administration? How have the international authorities responded? What has the response been of others to whom Mr. Polansky has made the presentation? Rather than call for evacuation, is there a clear path that should be taken involving someone with knowledge, such as Mr. Polansky? There must be protocol and procedures. If some of those questions could be answered it would be helpful.

Mr. Paul Polansky

I have met the Minister of Health for Kosovo.

The present Minister, the previous Minister or both?

Mr. Paul Polansky

The present Minister, Dr. Alush Gashi. I have met him several times. He said these camps are his top priority but he is relying on an international NGO to come along and wave a magic wand. He said the Government in Kosovo has no money to do anything.

What about the UN High Commissioner for Human Rights?

Mr. Paul Polansky

I and my NGO in Germany have sent them our reports, film and letters over the last three years and they refused to answer them. I cannot get an appointment with the representative of the UN High Commissioner for Human Rights in Pristina.

To try to frame what we should be doing, would it be helpful if we made contact through, as a first step, the Minister for Foreign Affairs, Deputy Micheál Martin, and prompt or seek the Minister and Department's support as to how we could pursue this issue with the high commissioner, EU and UN authorities? What paths or avenues are some of the people the delegation have made presentations to taking? Have they been on exploratory parliamentary missions to see the situation for themselves and meet the authorities there? What has been the result of that type of activity?

The clerk and the Department of Foreign Affairs would guide us on this, but in light of the inaction could we invite the UN representative in Dublin and tell him the questions we will ask, the answers we are looking for and what he proposes to do next? We could send him all the information and say we are deeply disturbed as a human rights sub-committee that this is happening under the watch of the United Nations and the questions we want answered on its proposal for this camp. Are they going to keep it open in light of the medical evidence? We could ask them to come with answers. Rather than posing questions here we could send them in advance and ask them to come to the sub-committee. They could have a closed session if they wished.

The United Nations is the high court of public opinion but it is not answering questions before its high court. It is incumbent on us to ask what it proposes to do next. We could trade letters over and back but if we pose questions in advance and say we would like it to come with answers from Geneva or New York, the answers would be so appalling they may spur them into action. I defer to the Chairman; it is his call as to whether we can do this. If I were in the UN I would not like to appear before any human rights committee to be questioned on my inaction in a case as appalling as this.

I thank Senator Daly. I am not sure if there is a UN representative based in Ireland but we can find that information from the Geneva office. We should make our initial contact through our own Department and seek its guidance as to how best we can pursue the issues the committee would like to pursue and what has been put on record today.

I understand Mr. Polansky is due to meet some Department officials either this morning or afternoon.

Mr. Paul Polansky

We met two this morning.

Did that go well?

Mr. Paul Polansky

It went very well. They are very interested and said they would try and do everything they could to help us. I was very pleased with their response.

I am not sure if Ms Hughes would like to make a comment before we wrap up.

Ms Valerie Hughes

I have a brief comment. I thank the sub-committee. I am disappointed with the low turnout but I realise those here are very committed.

Many people are watching on the monitor and will receive the transcript. They could be confined to certain areas and that is why they may not be able to join us.

Ms Valerie Hughes

It is encouraging to hear of the practical suggestions from the sub-committee, from Senators Norris and Daly and the Chairman. Writing to the Minister, the Department of Foreign Affairs and the UN are practical proposals and it is heartening to hear them. Mr. Polansky has already been in Brussels and was in the House of Commons yesterday. Both meetings were packed and there was huge interest and concern on the issue.

It would be encouraging if Ireland could follow on with the practical proposals of getting a commitment from the Minister for Foreign Affairs and the UN. Senator Daly's suggestion that the UN come in to give an explanation would be very helpful, if it is appropriate.

Thank you, Ms Hughes. It has been drawn to my attention that in June 2008 the Minister for Foreign Affairs asked his officials, through the Irish Embassy in Athens and our contacts on the ground in Kosovo, to raise our serious concerns as a matter of urgency with the UN Interim Administration Mission in Kososo.

In their response they advised that the UNMIK Office of Communities, Returns and Minority Affairs is currently supporting the Ministry for Communities and Returns as it assumes from UNMIK Department of Civil Administration responsibility for the management of the Osterode camp. It is closely working with all stakeholders to pursue urgently both the humanitarian relocation of the remaining IDPs subsisting in unsafe conditions due to lead contamination and permanent housing solutions for Roma, Ashkalia and Egyptian IDPs in the region. The situation continues to be closely monitored, including through Ireland's participation at the international steering group for Kososo, and through liaison with our NGOs working in this area. We will continue to impress upon all parties concerned the need to work together on a sustainable solution to this serious problem.

I thank Mr. Polansky and Ms Hughes for the good, clear, concerning and grave presentation. I have no doubt, from the body language and comments of my colleagues, that we will pursue this issue. We may discuss some matters with the witnesses after the sub-committee. In light of what the Minister did in June, we will try and get a progress report on the actions since then and perhaps the sub-committee will meet before Christmas and have this item and others on the agenda. We will see what progress has been made and in the meantime we will take the opportunity, as Senator Norris said, to put our protests in writing to the various authorities.

We will be guided by our advisers as to how best we, as a sub-committee, can achieve the results we want. I hope the witnesses can keep in contact with the sub-committee and that can be done through the clerk. We wish them well.

Mr. Paul Polansky

I thank the Chairman.

I hope we will be able to invite them back in the next 12 months and they could give us an update and progress report on what has happened since the last presentation to the committee. I ask that a presentation in November 2009 be pencilled into their diaries. If we set dates and targets it might help focus the minds of those involved. I thank Mr. Polansky.

Mr. Polansky

I thank the sub-committee for having me.

Before we conclude, the best action we can take at this stage is to contact the Minister's office and indicate what has been relayed here. I have recorded the suggestion in regard to making direct contact with the Kosovan Government, the EU and the UN, the UN High Commissioner for Human Rights. A range of targets have been identified. We should certainly allow our views to be known. We should make our protests in writing as strongly as we possibly can. I will work with the political adviser and the clerk to formulate a strongly worded letter and seek their guidance as to how we can proceed with the targets identified today and where we should take this matter and see what progress can be made. Is that agreed? Agreed.

Before concluding, there were one or two other issues about which Senator Daly asked in regard to setting the agenda. Does he wish to raise the matter directly with the clerk?

Yes, that is fine.

Will he raise the matter directly after the meeting?

We will try to arrange a meeting before the December break, if possible.

The sub-committee adjourned at 1 p.m. sine die.
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