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Joint Committee on Foreign Affairs and Defence díospóireacht -
Tuesday, 29 Nov 2022

Horn of Africa: Minister of State at the Department of Foreign Affairs

I have received apologies from Senator Wilson. I apologise for the late start.

We are pleased to welcome the Minister of State, Deputy Brophy, who has specific responsibility for overseas development aid and the diaspora. The Minister of State will brief the committee on his recent visit to the Horn of Africa and the policy and strategy of the Department of Foreign Affairs in that regard. He is joined by the following officials from the development co-operation and Africa division at the Department: Ms Nicole McHugh, director, and Mr. Michael O'Toole, director. Our guests are all welcome.

For the benefit of those who are not here on every occasion we meet, the format will be that we will hear the opening statement from the Minister of State. This will be followed by a question-and-answer session with members. I ask members to be concise in their questions in order to allow everybody an opportunity to participate.

I remind witnesses and members of the long-standing parliamentary practice to the effect that they should not criticise or make charges against any person or entity by name or in such a way as to make him, her or it identifiable or otherwise engage in speech that might be regarded as damaging to the good name of the person or entity. Therefore, if their statements are potentially defamatory regarding an identifiable person or entity, they will be directed to discontinue their remarks. It is imperative that they comply with any such direction. I remind members that they are only allowed to participate in this meeting if they are physically located in the Leinster House complex. We are still operating in hybrid form. I do not see any members tuned in from their offices, but that is an eventuality that could well occur before too long.

I welcome the Minister of State and thank him for making time to brief us. We look forward to his remarks.

I thank the committee for its invitation to discuss the crisis in the Horn of Africa. This is a situation that deserves all of our attention.

During my recent visit to Kenya and South Sudan, I witnessed in stark terms the devastation being wrought on vulnerable communities across the region by a set of interlocking crises: drought; climate change; global and regional conflict; and unsustainable food systems. Communities stricken by drought in Turkana, Kenya, told me of their fears that the rains would fail once again. It has now sadly come to pass that those rains have failed and their worst fears have been confirmed. The overall scale of the crisis in the region is staggering. There are 36 million people affected by a five-season drought in the Horn of Africa,. The drought is focused particularly in Ethiopia, Somalia and Kenya. More than 21 million people face acute levels of food insecurity and malnutrition. Current estimates indicate that this figure will rise to 26 million by February next year.

In addition to drought, some regions have experienced wide-scale flooding year after year. When I visited South Sudan in September, I heard from communities that they were already grappling with decades of conflict and that they are being forced to flee again by repeated floods. In Juba, I saw the most fragile of dams - it is difficult to describe how fragile these dams are - that are the only thing holding back vast expanses of water. If, for any reason, these dams were to break, the entire makeshift camp where hundreds of thousands of people are trying to survive on a day-to-day basis would be engulfed. Humanitarian agencies stress the need to ensure South Sudan does not become a forgotten crisis against a worrying backdrop of donor fatigue and competing needs, within the region and globally, of which we are all aware.

The primary driver of these environmental crises is undeniably and categorically climate change. Average annual temperatures in the region are increasing at almost double the global rate, with changing weather patterns and environmental degradation having a huge impact, shaping conflict cycles, impacting food production, threatening livelihoods and destroying ways of life. These climate-induced shocks are closely intertwined with what were already effectively unsustainable food systems. Those systems have continued to deteriorate as the crisis shows no signs of ending.

New and ongoing conflicts, political tensions and the global impact of the war in Ukraine have also exacerbated what was already a terrible situation. In Sudan, where a military coup last year halted the democratic transition that was under way, about 14 million people are experiencing high levels of acute food insecurity, classified as crisis phase 3, or worse. While the food crisis is being felt right across the region, the drought in the heart of the Horn of Africa is perhaps having the most acute effects. With famine-like conditions already experienced by communities, there is a narrow window of opportunity to prevent famine in parts of, in particular, Somalia, South Sudan and Ethiopia on a scale that we have not seen in decades. Humanitarian agencies and partners have appealed for $3.4 billion to provide assistance to respond to the drought. However, the appeal is only 50% funded, severely limiting humanitarian agencies’ capacity to respond and save lives. In the context of this crisis, we need to focus on that 50% funding figure compared with the response to other situations globally. It is vital that the international community responds urgently to prevent large-scale starvation and death.

Ireland is playing its part. Following my visit, the Government announced that it would provide an additional €30 million in immediate humanitarian assistance to respond to the urgency of the crisis in the region. This package is a top-up on the €3.2 million in additional humanitarian aid disbursed in October, including €1.5 million to Irish NGOs active on the ground. Those NGOs are doing an incredible job and are operating well above and beyond their scale and size. There was also €500,000 for UNICEF’s work with malnourished children in Kenya. This will bring Ireland’s support to the Horn of Africa in 2022 to more than €100 million.

Working through trusted partners on the ground, including UN agencies and Irish NGOs, Ireland’s funding will support the most vulnerable communities across the most severely affected countries. These partners have been chosen based on their proven geographic, sectoral and thematic experience and, critically, on their capacity to deliver an effective and timely response to the needs of those worst affected. The focus will be on lifesaving health, nutrition, water and sanitation, and cash responses will align with Ireland’s commitment to always reach those who are furthest behind first. We will place a strong emphasis on supporting local humanitarian efforts. Special attention is being paid to the plight of women and girls, who have been disproportionately affected by the drought, in order to ensure that their needs are met.

This additional funding from Ireland complements support already provided through other channels including through multilateral agencies and pooled funds such as the UN OCHA central emergency response fund, CERF, which has been central to the response in the Horn of Africa and has already provided €143 million in 2022. Ireland is among the top ten donors to the CERF and provides €11.5 million annually. As part of the package we will support critical co-ordination and needs analyses in order to enhance the quality of the collective response. While our immediate priority is to save lives, this funding will also begin to lay the groundwork for longer term resilience and development. It is very much part of our key approach of linking immediate humanitarian response with the development response needed to prevent a recurrence.

In Somalia, for example, a €1 million contribution from Ireland to the International Fund for Agricultural Development, IFAD, is boosting agricultural productive capacity, food supply chains, and irrigation and domestic water supply. In September 2022, at a high-level event during the UN General Assembly, Ireland pledged to spend €50 million on addressing child wasting over the next three years with 1.5 million

children, nearly half of the under-five population, suffering from malnutrition in Somalia alone.

Meanwhile, our ongoing development funding in the region, from work on food systems to climate mitigation, and peace building, is being complemented by robust political interventions to protect civilians and resolve conflict. We recognise that humanitarian funding alone will not be sufficient to address the complex challenges facing the Horn of Africa and our development programme will look to target the underlying causes and drivers of conflict, instability and food insecurity in the region. We will prioritise actions targeting gender equality, strengthened governance and climate action as well as maintain a focus on food insecurity and malnutrition.

Our funding complements Ireland’s political engagement on the UN Security Council over the past two years where we have taken a leadership role on peace and security in the Horn, including as chair of the Somalia sanctions committee. We have also been to the fore on the council’s engagement on Ethiopia where two years of conflict in the north of the country has had a devastating impact on civilians. In that regard, I strongly welcome the peace agreement reached between the Ethiopian Government and the Tigray authorities. Implementation of all aspects will be key, and securing full humanitarian access to those in need is essential.

Further, as an informal focal point on hunger and conflict and through our work on climate and security at the council, Ireland has galvanised international attention on addressing the underlying causes of food insecurity including conflict, climate change and unsustainable food systems. In all our actions at the council, we have consistently maintained a principled position in line with our priorities of empathy, partnership and independence, and with a focus on addressing the human consequences of conflict and insecurity.

As the committee will be aware, in budget 2023, more than €1.2 billion has been allocated for international development. This is an increase of 17% on 2022 figures and represents an unprecedented investment in Ireland’s overseas development programme. Of this, €75 million will be used to address the humanitarian and other needs in Ukraine and in countries affected by the impact of Russia’s invasion, including in the Horn of Africa. An additional €25 million will be provided as part of the Government’s commitment to more than double our climate finance to €225 million per year by 2025. The vast majority of this will be channelled towards adaptation activities for vulnerable countries, including in the Horn. I should note too the role played by Ireland at COP27, where nationally, and as EU lead on loss and damage, we were central to reaching agreement on a critical new fund to provide finance for the most vulnerable countries suffering loss and damage caused by climate change.

Ireland also continues to work through the EU to address the crisis in the Horn of Africa. On 20 June, the foreign affairs council endorsed the Team Europe pledge of over €600 million for the Horn of Africa. An additional package of emergency aid for the region was recently announced by the EU as part of a new €210 million effort to address food insecurity in 15 countries. Yesterday, at my meeting of the Council of Development Ministers in Brussels I took the opportunity to emphasise not only the experience I have outlined here today but also the necessity for Europe to re-engage and be more involved than it has been to date.

Let me conclude by reiterating that Ireland will remain steadfast in its commitment to tackling the immediate and substantial needs in the Horn of Africa, while also continuing to advocate for sustainable solutions that address the underlying drivers of this crisis. This is in line with our values. It is also in keeping with our interests as global citizens.

I thank the Minister of State for coming before us with what is, unfortunately, a very bleak opening statement. That is no reflection on the Minister of State. It is good to hear him say it as it is. Unfortunately, it is a crisis in the Horn of Africa. I concur with what he says and what all the experts say that we are seeing the consequences of global warming where, for the fourth consecutive year, we have seen the failure of the rainy season. Since 2019 there has been a failure of rain and the consequences of that. It is not only over those four years. Many of those areas have seen their worst droughts in four decades. Concern estimates that one person dies of hunger every 48 seconds. It is a harrowing statistic and that shows people how serious the crisis is. I commend the Government's efforts on the increase in funding. I welcome the extra €30 million going to the Horn of Africa as it is badly needed.

I have some questions. There are serious concerns that the international community is not paying its part in addressing the crisis. The statement released by the World Food Programme today or yesterday appealed for an extra €161 million by the end of the year to avoid total suspension of its work in Chad and Sudan. It has had to cut rations by up to 50%. That affects three in four refugees in East Africa, Ethiopia, Kenya, Uganda and Sudan. These are rations that were not huge to start with that they have had to cut by half. Again, rations have been cut in Cameroon, Chad, Mali and Niger. There is a major crisis but it is being compounded by the international community's failure to step up to its obligation. Will the Minister of State comment on that? We are playing a part. Is there room for us to go further? Does the Minister of State see a failure of the international community on this? There is a major crisis in Ukraine with the illegal invasion by Russia. Concerns were expressed from the outset that the eyes of the international community would shift their focus to Ukraine to the detriment of areas such as the Horn of Africa. There have been some positive things amid what has happened in Ukraine such as the export of grain and other materials from the Black Sea ports which helped to alleviate some of the pressures but many would say the eyes of the international community are still very much focused on Ukraine. That is absolutely understandable and right in many ways but not to the detriment of Africa.

When we talk about conflict and insecurity, we absolutely need to get to the crux of all of these issues and what is happening, but there is an immediate need to get in there to help people. When it comes to conflict and insecurity, Ireland has a key role to play in those situations. We have had very good year on the Security Council. I met the Minister of State in New York when this committee went over there. We sat in on a very insightful discussion and debate within the Security Council on the whole issue of food security. Many of the words struck a chord with me. It is welcome that at this level there is a realisation there is a crisis, but the follow-through is, unfortunately, just not there.

Ireland has a major role to play in conflict resolution. I am not sure if my question is for the Minister of State, Deputy Brophy, or if it is more appropriate for the Minister for Defence. Given our role within the UN and particularly on peacekeeping missions, does the Minister of State see a role for Ireland in peacekeeping missions in some of these countries to try to get to the crux of the crisis? While we may not be able to address the sole cause, we could deal with part of the cause of the crisis we see playing out before our very eyes and which leads to one person dying every 48 seconds.

The very straight and very simple answer is, yes, it is a failure. There is absolutely no question about it. In my speech I alluded to the fact that we have a 50% funding situation. That in itself speaks absolute volumes about where the international community is as a whole in what it is thinking is about this. There are those of us sitting in this room who are old enough to have memories of the television footage of the former president Mary Robinson's visit there, or of the Live Aid footage. I consistently make the point that when this footage turns up on our television screens, it is the definition of failure. It is not success; it is the definition of failure. It means we as an international community took too long and waited too long to respond. The Deputy's point is so well made about frequency with which people are dying. I know the young children I saw are, by this stage, dead. As horrendous as it is, we are at a point where we can still intervene in a way we need to.

On what we need to be doing, we need to be looking at how much extra we as a global community can intervene. I mean the wealthiest of nations and our EU partners, the G20s and the G7s of this world. They must look at this collectively. We must intervene in a way that enables groups like the World Food Programme to intervene. Ireland will be going on the executive board of the World Food Programme and we will be championing this from next year onwards. When Ireland takes its seat, we very much want to have a voice heard on this.

It is very important to recognise, and the Deputy referred to it, that while the grains export deal is in place, it is by no means sufficient. It in no way nor in any way compensates for the loss and fall-off of the grain that was available before the war in Ukraine. What is happening in Ukraine is absolutely horrendous, and everybody is right to have that level of support and to continue with that. However, the truly terrifying outcome we can see is that, the two biggest feeders to the World Food Programme, which then went on to feed the world, including the Horn of Africa, were Russia and Ukraine, and because of the partial grain problem that still exists, what is going into the World Food Programme now is not sufficient to enable it to deliver. There is a real problem there right across its ability to deliver.

It is so right of the Deputy to say that one hears about a suspension of aid. I was sitting beside a UN official looking at a camp. The official told me they had cut that camp off from their programme. I asked what would happen to the 100,000 people in that camp. The official told me they would just have to find another way of getting food. When I saw this happening literally a couple of metres away from where I was standing, it brought it home. They were still working at the camp on either side, but because of the overall shortage, they had made decisions about how they could deliver. I believe this has been caused entirely by the international community failing. While we are doing an incredible amount, and it is important to acknowledge that USAID is also doing very strong work on the ground in this particular area, as much as we believe we are doing, the international community collectively is actually failing on this. We must move and move quickly.

I thank the Minister of State for coming before us today. We have had a number of meetings now on this issue, and every time we have a meeting with Dóchas and others, the situation seems to have worsened progressively. As the Minister of State has said, what is happening there is almost beyond description. When we consider some of the numbers we have been given, each of these numbers is a person. What if we put ourselves or our families in those situations? At the last meeting we had we were told 323 million people are on the brink of starvation and 245 million people are facing crisis levels of hunger. This raises the question whether we are doing enough and whether we could do even more. We should do more if we can.

Reference was made to 0.7% of Ireland's GDP. Perhaps the Minister of State will tell the committee where we are at and what the targets are. Can we actually increase that or improve on the target to reach that figure as soon as we can?

Will the Minister of State tell the committee something about the UN position? I am aware the UN has all kinds of different procedures for declaring famine. I brought this point up at the last meeting. Has the Minister of State any sense of where that is? I am not sure what difference it would make but we must use every opportunity we can to make progress here. I understand this has not happened yet. Perhaps the Minister of State will enlighten us as to where that is and what difference it would make if this were to happen.

I am sorry. I missed the beginning of that.

I was asking about the declaration, at UN level, of famine in that part of the world. It is one option that is being considered but I am not sure where it is at. We discussed it at the last meeting here. Again, the response was that it might not make that much difference at the end of the day. I believe we need to use every opportunity we can and every available strategy to improve matters for the people there.

Deputy Brady mentioned peacekeeping and the possibility of peacekeeping operations in the area. Will the Minister of State fill us in on whether that is something we should be contemplating and pushing for? I am aware things have improved in Eritrea and in Tigray in particular, but that was a huge worry for quite a while. Will the Minister of State fill us in on what is actually happening there right now, if he has that information?

Child wasting has been mentioned. Again, if one thinks of one's own children and grandchildren, it is something that is just inconceivable. The whole thing is just awful. The war in Ukraine has exacerbated the situation by cutting off vital food supplies and reducing vital food supplies to that region. It has a terrible impact on that.

I am not sure what else we can do. We were anxious that the Minister of State would come to the committee and I thank him for coming here to have this engagement to highlight the issue. Many Irish people are sharing and giving of themselves. We are known as a nation of givers and for making contributions to the various agencies. I am not sure if the Minister of State has any information on that at the moment and how that is going. The more we can highlight this, the more help we can get locally, nationally, at European level and internationally.

I thank the Minister of State for what he is doing and for visiting the area. I note that the Minister of State was the first such Minister to visit certain parts there. That must have been pretty harrowing for him and his staff. We must recognise the work being done there on the ground by various volunteers and agencies, and I thank them for that. Not only are they going through what I have been told are life changing events they will never get over or forget, but also they very often put themselves at risk because of the situation described by the Minister of State. There is also the issue of gender-based violence. This is another whole area on which we could meet, including the role of women, girls and children and how they are being impacted by all of this. I thank the Minister of State, his officials and the various agencies for the work they are doing.

The Deputy has covered a lot of areas there and there is some important information within his points. First, in terms of what and how we can try to put extra resources in, one of the very important aspects that came out of COP was loss and damage. It was an incredible achievement by the Minister for the Environment, Climate and Communications, Deputy Ryan, as the lead European negotiator on this. At the heart of what loss and damage is is the ability to move money quickly to countries, such as those in the horn of Africa, and to recognise that these countries are being destroyed now and not in the future by a climate-induced disaster, for which they really are not in any way responsible in terms of climate change. They will be the countries that are impacted first and most impacted, and yet their contribution to what actually caused it has been almost zero. Therefore, it is really important that the principle of loss and damage is there as a back up.

Even if we were to double or treble our contribution in the morning, no one country has the ability to deal with this issue alone. When we talk to the governments in the region, they make the point very clearly that as much as they can do, they do not have enough resources to deal with the issue. I have engaged, in particular, with the new Kenyan Government. It is working flat out and is doing absolutely everything it can, but its resources are not enough. No one country's resources are enough - even a country the size of the US. This is a collective effort and billions of euro are required. The will and determination of the international community must be there to use its international agencies, the UN and the structures that are in place, such as the World Food Programme, to prioritise the issue and get the resources in. That needs to be a global effort and the balance needs to be there.

The Deputy raised the point about contributions as percentages of GDP. Our international development budget is the biggest it has ever been. We have made more money available to this effort, as a country, than most other countries do, and we are managing to keep all our commitments in Ukraine, the horn of Africa and also in the other areas in which Irish Aid operates. We will continue to work through the increase to ensure we match our commitment next year. In this one particular area, the solution is an international one. It requires a level of money and resolve which so far has not been there. That is why Deputy Brady's point was so well made. In terms of an international response, we are not succeeding, it is effectively a failure and we need to do so much more. That is key.

On the Ethiopian situation, because of the peace treaty that has been agreed, there is an ability to hopefully increase humanitarian access and develop the aid going into the country. It is important to recognise that no matter what was happening in the conflict, we continued our humanitarian support to the people on the ground within Ethiopia. It was absolutely crucial. Now, we are hopefully going to reach a situation where we can have a substantially bigger impact in terms of making sure that humanitarian support goes into the country. The Deputy mentioned child-wasting. The overall facts are stark, but when it comes to what is happening to children, it is a tragedy which is difficult to comprehend. When we see first hand children in their mothers' arms, whose arms are no bigger than an adult's finger, we realise what is going on. They are just about being kept alive, as we speak, by nutripacks that are being provided by the UN. That is all. If that supply dries up, there is nothing between those children and complete starvation. That brings me to the Deputy's question on when a famine can be declared. When we read what it takes to declare a famine, it sounds ridiculously harsh. There must be hard evidence of high levels of child malnutrition. We might say that there is such evidence, for God's sake. That is why I do not believe there is much of a muchness in respect of when a famine is declared. As far as I am concerned, there is effectively a famine in the area now. What we need is the response, whether the word "famine" is used officially or not. Obviously, one is conscious of how to do that in conjunction with the countries that are involved and their governments. Whether a famine is declared officially or not, what we are looking at is a famine. When people are dying every minute, we are effectively looking at a famine. The world response must take that into account.

I want to comment on two other points made by the Deputy, which are important. The generosity of the Irish people is absolutely staggering, allowing for everything that we face as people living here in terms of the cost of living and all the issues that are there. No matter what, Irish people remain generous. There is something that is innate in the DNA of the people of Ireland in that respect. I think it goes back to our collective memory of famine and the fact that it is 150-odd years since, as a country, we went through horrendous situations. Our population is still not back to where it was at that point. There is a real willingness to respond by people in Ireland, and it has been backed by successive governments throughout the decades. Since the issues arose that required an aid programme, every government has wanted to and has supported it. The Irish people have also supported it. I think the best and strongest thing we can do at this point is to use our voice at the UN, in the EU and internationally to ask the rest of the world to step up in the same way.

Deputy Stanton and I raised the issue of the UN, peacekeeping and whether there is something more that we can do.

We are not at a point yet on the peacekeeping side where what we are really looking for are the logistics around delivering. I would hope that subject to whatever situation that might arise, we will respond. We have never been shy, as a country, in being willing to supply our amazing troops to do this type of work to help with the logistics of providing support. It is the type of thing, which if required, I have no doubt the Minister for Defence and the Government would look at it in that context. I saw, on the ground, the logistics capabilities of organisations such as the UN and the World Food Programme. Those are the organisations that primarily need beefing-up at the moment to deliver on the ground, rather than additional actors coming in to it. I have no doubt that should we be required, we will respond. It is the type of area we have never failed to provide and help in the past.

I thank the Minister and his officials for making themselves available today. I have a question on foot of the representations made by some of the NGOs. The Minister mentioned the commitment to help and assist the UN in the peacekeeping role or to provide whatever might be required to meet the huge demands placed on the countries that have been impacted. I wish to focus on the criteria used by the Government in relation to the extra €30 million, with €5 million going to NGOs and €25 million going to multilateral UN funding. Were the criteria surrounding the decision to disburse it in that way related to the more universal approach that may be available from the UN?

The entire decision-making behind that approach is based on the ability to take money and disburse it very quickly through Irish NGOs, which are doing an incredible job and which we have supported right throughout the year with funding and by giving more money to them. When we have a figure like €30 million and a few short weeks in which to distribute it, there is no question that some of the bigger UN agencies on the ground have the logistical ability to deliver that to ensure that what we give as a donation ends up directly going in and going in in the fastest possible way. There would be no other way to do that. It is not how we would look at an entire annual or multiyear programme, but in terms of an immediate donation that we want to use to hit directly on the ground, the UN has the scale to deliver in a way that nobody else can deliver on that. We still want funding to go through our own NGOs because some of our own NGO programmes, which I visited and saw first hand, are incredible. We have maxed out what we think is the best possible way of ensuring that that money hits the ground as fast as possible and gets directly to the source.

I welcome the Minister of State and his team, including my former colleague, Robert Lahiff, who was next door to me on a corridor some years ago. It is good to see him here in this capacity. I appreciate the fact that the Minister of State is very hands-on, is clearly very empathetic and that he has travelled to these locations and got involved in a very real way. It is very moving. You could not but be affected by it, as the Minister of State clearly is. I will make a few comments rather than ask questions, although one is somewhat of a question.

It merits saying at the outset that the scale of this is extraordinary. The Minister of State has said 36 million are affected, 21 million are suffering food insecurity and malnutrition, and 1.5 million children are experiencing malnutrition in Somalia alone. They are scary figures. When we get figures like these, we do not fully grasp them. That is why the various advertisements on television and so on focus on individuals who are suffering. It is only going from an individual out that we can understand these things. It is a human catastrophe on an enormous scale and a great tragedy. It is important this committee recognises the good work of the NGOs like Concern, Trócaire, GOAL, World Vision, Oxfam, Plan International and Christian Aid. We should acknowledge and pay tribute to their work. As the Minister of State has said, the Irish people are great supporters of these bodies.

It was good to note from the Minister of State's presentation that he believes we have made an impact at the UN Security Council and the EU. Insofar as I have a question, I would ask him to elaborate a little on that. How much of a difference have we made in that regard? Is there potential to get more done at EU level?

It is good that Ireland is responding practically through the extra €30 million and the €3.2 million in additional aid in October, including €1.5 million to Irish NGOs and €500,000 to UNICEF. That is all good. The more of that we can do, the better. The Minister of State has given a figure for the overall increase in the Irish contribution in budget 2023. That is the way it should be. It is an increase of 17% on 2022 figures. I am personally pleased with that.

The one thing I would say to the Minister of State, which is something any one of us who practises politics, is involved in political activity and meets people daily could say, is that, thankfully, there is great buy-in among Irish people for providing support abroad. It is in our DNA. Our involvement in Africa down through the years probably relates to the famine and many other reasons. It is embedded in our value systems. The Minister of State will find he is pushing an open door when asking the public to support the Horn of Africa. Our public buys into it, which is wonderful. The Minister of State did acknowledge there are issues domestically, but no matter what domestic issues there are, one thing that always heartens me about our society is we always seek to see the bigger picture, as we should. It is our role to lead out on that. I am totally in support of that increase, which needs to be built on next year. I thank the Minister of State and his officials for being here. I have not so much asked questions here as said we stand in solidarity with the Minister of State's efforts.

The Senator raised a couple of very interesting points that I believe are very important. In addition to the direct immediate response on the humanitarian and development side is our role in working with our UN partners. One of the key things we did over our term on the UN Security Council was to look at the whole area of climate and security and to make it a real priority during our involvement with the Security Council. What we are seeing in the crisis in the Horn of Africa is effectively the first global manifestation of the impact of climate insecurity. A way of life has been wiped out. Communities that have lived with pastoral farming for centuries will never be able to return to it. In that context, we have to look not only at putting in place emergency relief but at how, as an international community, we are going to address that.

We have to address it through a number of structures. The UN structure will be very important in that regard because this issue leads to migration and, long before this migration ends up on the shores of Europe, it becomes inherently destabilising within Africa itself. As large-scale migration starts to occur and people move within the continent of Africa, the structures that are in place are destabilised and this migration becomes a very difficult problem for African countries to deal with. There is a role for the international community to play with regard to support. There are things we can do. One of the important things, which comes out of the concept of loss and damage I mentioned earlier, is that, through development aid, we can put in place processes that enable communities to survive and remain in situ. It can be as simple as doing the right geographical surveys to allow access to deep water tapping, which can bring up sufficient water to sustain the growing of crops. We will not have pastoral farming but we could have agriculture in a different way. Food security, which is something Ireland led on for many years before that term was widely used, is going to be one of the crucial things. These are the types of areas we have been involved in at UN level.

At Security Council level, we also did a lot of work on peace and security and how to deal with the whole issue of providing a peace and security framework that enables countries and communities to have an existence unaffected by conflict. The conflict situation is highly damaging. In South Sudan, there are two refugee camps sitting side by side. One houses 100,000 people who were displaced by the conflict. They have ended up in a camp and cannot leave because they are too scared to do so. Next to these, a new camp has grown up in recent years as a result of flooding. Two situations are coming together and turning into a crisis because the numbers are growing exponentially and certainly exceeding what the Government of what is effectively the newest country in the world can deal with. What we do at UN level is important, as is the type of work we do on the ground.

On another point the Senator and others have made, which is really important, as I said in my initial opening remarks, our NGOs are playing an incredible role in delivering on the ground. In proportion to their size and scale, they are doing an amazing job. As a country and as a Government, we are incredibly proud of the work they have done. They have done it in other situations before but, on their work in the Horn of Africa in particular, it says it all that, when the BBC went to film in Somalia to highlight the situation, it went to Trócaire because its people on the ground are able to provide information straight away. They are doing an incredible job and that is why we continue to support them. We will talk about how to enhance our support in the year ahead, working in conjunction with big international agencies that are there and which have great logistics capacity. By the way, many of our Irish NGOs tap into the UN stuff so it is a circular thing. They do not operate in different spheres from one another but work together collectively.

I will begin by apologising. I had a clash with another committee meeting and missed the Minister of State's opening remarks.

It is fair to say that since I came into the meeting, my colleagues have exhausted a number of issues with the Minister of State. I have just one question to put but before doing so, like my colleagues, I wish to acknowledge how engaged and vocal the Minister of State has been on this issue. That does not only apply in terms of asking people for support and solidarity, important as that is. He has also been clear in explaining what exactly is going on and outlining the man-made climate catastrophe and its impact on people in the Horn of Africa.

The Minister of State has rightly spoken about our international obligations and what the State can do at the UN, EU and international level. We recognise the fantastic work of our NGOs on the ground. We all feel a responsibility as human beings, in the first instance. As members of this committee and parliamentarians, is there scope for us to do things at a parliamentary level as well, whether that is through the EU Council, the Inter-Parliamentary Union or the British-Irish Parliamentary Assembly? I appreciate that all of those cogs turn slowly and this is an urgent issue. Is there an initiative we can take in and between these Houses that in a symbolic way, as opposed to a gestural way, sends out a message to our colleagues across the EU and UN, and internationally? Has the Minister of State given any thought to that? Is there anything we can do from a parliamentarian to parliamentarian perspective?

I absolutely agree with the Senator. I addressed the British-Irish Parliamentary Assembly on this topic. As the committee has heard, any channel, forum or opportunity should be used. None of us wants to get to a point in a few months' time when we are forced to say we wish we had done a little extra. I strongly suggest that this committee contacts its fellow committees in EU member states and our neighbour next door to ask what they are doing. The committee should ask its equivalents what development ministers in those countries, who are in the same situation as I am, are doing in response to this particular crisis. Some states are playing an enhanced role, while others could do an awful lot more. I recognise that some states are caught in a bind in respect of Ukraine and how to finance it, given the state of their own finances. I do not believe for one minute that everyone can experience the same privilege I was allowed to have in going to see the situation at first hand, which allowed me the opportunity to be a champion and voice for those people. A gentleman I met, who was closer to me than the Senator is now, told me that everything is dead. The livestock and grass are dead. He told me his children are dying. He asked that others keep talking for him. He did not want money, which was interesting. His call was not to try to get a few extra supports. His call was to ensure the voices of those people are heard. Anything that can be done through interparliamentary activity, committees and any form of communication is crucial. I do not know if the Senator was present when I made this point earlier but it is something I always repeat. When the world's television cameras show up, it is too late. That is the definition of failure. We hope to have succeeded in preventing that moment from happening. We are in a privileged position as parliamentarians in that we can have a voice to which, we hope, people will listen. We can at least make points to others. We want the position to be that no one, no matter where they are, can say in a few months' time that they were not aware of the situation. Everyone should be and we hope they will be.

I will return to the point around the target of 0.7% of GNI, which is important. It is a UN agreed target that the Government has committed to achieving by 2030. I heard what the Minister of State said in response to Deputy Stanton. He said this is the largest amount that has ever gone into the overseas development budget, and I welcome that. It is a marked improvement on last year, when the relevant figure was 0.42% of GNI. This year, that has risen to 0.43%. In 2008, before the recession, we were at 0.59% GNI, which was markedly higher, not in financial terms but in real terms. We have gone backwards in many ways, perhaps not financially but in respect of the percentages involved. We have moved away from the objective. Many of the NGOs would ask what is the strategy to achieve that 0.7% by 2030. Are we still committed to achieving that target by 2030? If so, where is the roadmap? That is what we need to see. Everybody has rightfully praised our NGOs, which do phenomenal work, and that is what they want to hear. More importantly, they want to see a roadmap for how we are going to get to that critical figure by 2030.

That commitment absolutely still stands and I fully support it. I fully acknowledge the way in which the NGOs have worked with us. They have welcomed the increases that are there. Fundamentally, I want to achieve that target. I want us to continue to work towards achieving that target. However, for me, it will always be about a real and meaningful increase in the money that is available for me, as a Minister of State, to distribute with the support of the Government to the areas that need it most. I cannot distribute a percentage of GNI*, no matter how good it sounds, if I do not have real extra money in my budget, year in and year out, to allow me to increase the amount available.

The people of the Horn of Africa are in a crisis situation. They want to know that Ireland is increasing its budget and that money is going where it is needed most. I will continue to focus on that. The commitment is there and we have not in any way backed away from our intention to achieve that. I was pleased that we were able to get €1.2 billion this year. It is the biggest budget we have ever had. It shows that for us, as a Government, there is total commitment to continuing not only to honour our international obligations in this area but to increase the funding and support. We are going to take measures, particularly in the area of adaptation finance, an increase in climate financing and the introduction of that money. Internationally, we have had success in respect of loss and damage. We are playing a strong role in ensuring we make our resources available to the people who need them most.

I thank the Minister of State for his comprehensive engagement. This meeting has concentrated, for the most part, on the humanitarian situation and response. I will ask the Minister of State, before we conclude, about the political situation in the region. It seems to me that there is a perfect storm as a consequence of the Russian war in Ukraine that has resulted in food shortages. We can also see the catastrophic effects of climate change on the ground. There is also the conflict situation in the region. I am pleased to note the recent permanent cessation of hostilities, it is perhaps too early to call it an agreement, reached earlier this month between the Government of Ethiopia and the Tigray People's Liberation Front. That agreement, if it can be called that, at least allowed for a humanitarian response to take place in the areas that have been riven by humanitarian crises in recent years. Thirteen million people are in need of aid and 2 million people have been displaced. It seems that sticking with and implementing that agreement is now crucial.

I join other members in paying tribute to the hardworking team of NGOs from Ireland and other countries in the region providing a life-saving response. I mention also our presence in Addis Ababa, particularly the ambassador, H.E. Ms Nicola Brennan, and her team operating in the most difficult and challenging of circumstances.

This was referred to earlier by other members in terms of the involvement of the international community, the European Union and the United Nations Security Council. Is the Minister of State optimistic or hopeful that the situation can improve? I note the Security Council is likely to meet again before the end of the year with this issue on the agenda. We certainly take the point the Minister of State made that perhaps at a parliamentary level, with our European colleagues and international colleagues, there might be a framework to facilitate our doing more. I suppose my question when concluding this session is, how does the Minister of State see the political situation and political developments and following his visit, is he hopeful or optimistic that the international community, with goodwill from those in charge in the region, might be in a position to improve matters?

In his concluding final couple of lines, the Chairman hit the nucleus of the situation. The international community has a key role to play and it has to be in conjunction with the authorities within the region.

I want to be optimistic because, on the positive side, we have a cessation in Ethiopia and we have the start of what I hope will be a peace process that will develop and get stronger and stronger. The means to enable that to get stronger is through international engagement. It is through allowing the international community to help work with the Ethiopian Government to ensure that that can happen. It is important to mention that Ireland's involvement with Ethiopia is a strong long-term involvement. We acknowledge the incredible work that the ambassador, H.E. Ms Brennan and her reduced team did on the ground along with Irish NGOs in keeping that humanitarian access into the affected region.

Now, we have an opportunity. We want as soon as possible to re-engage and strengthen our involvement with Ethiopia to work with it to ensure that we can continue to develop the humanitarian response and also rebuild that strong relationship which existed.

In the other parts of the region of the Horn of Africa, there are some positives. President Ruto's election in Kenya is a positive development. President Ruto and his Government have been strong on working to ensure that what is a growing crisis within northern Kenya is firmly being addressed by the Government. We will continue to work with them on that issue. In Somalia, there obviously is an ongoing situation with Al-Shabaab which is difficult to deal with but we have had an election there with a peaceful conclusion which is positive. Therefore, in general, there are more positive shoots of encouragement growing in the political world there than there were this time 12 months ago.

Our role, both as Ireland and as the EU, and through the UN, is to ensure that we continue to facilitate and enable there but it is important always to acknowledge it is so fragile and that things can unravel quickly. It is not surprising when one looks at the points I was making about how much conflict and the presence of conflict contributes to the instability which leads to the humanitarian crisis. Effectively, in all the countries we are talking about, with the exception of Kenya, there is an ongoing long-term situation where in the heart of the region that is affected there has been a conflict situation there.

I am easing towards being more positive but with that realisation that we are still at the very early stages of, hopefully, what will be positive developments on the political engagement side.

I thank the Minister. On behalf of the joint committee, I thank the Minister of State for being here and for meeting with us, and, indeed, for dealing with the questions and observations that members had in the manner in which he did.

We will now conclude public session and we will go into private session. Is that agreed? Agreed.

The joint committee went into private session at 4.30 p.m. and adjourned at 4.38 p.m. until 3.15 p.m. on Tuesday, 6 December 2022.
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