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JOINT COMMITTEE ON JUSTICE, EQUALITY, DEFENCE AND WOMEN’S RIGHTS díospóireacht -
Tuesday, 23 May 2006

Violence against Women: Presentations.

I welcome everyone to the meeting, the purpose of which is to discuss the concerns of a number of interest groups about women's issues generally. Specific topics for consideration today are violence against women and the trafficking of women into Ireland for sexual exploitation. There are three groups making presentations, the Open Door Network, Ruhama and Amnesty International. I welcome the representatives from Open Door Network: Ms Catherine Casey, Ms Vera O'Leary, Ms Annemarie Foley, Ms Joan Courtney, Ms Helen Lyons and Ms Jo Lambe.

Before we begin, I draw the attention of witnesses to the fact that while members of the joint committee have absolute privilege, the same privilege does not apply to them. I invite the three groups to introduce their members, after which Ms Casey might make her presentation.

Ms Catherine Casey

I am the co-ordinator of the Open Door Network. I am also chairperson of the Southern Regional Committee on Violence Against Women.

Ms Vera O’Leary

I am the co-ordinator of the Kerry Rape and Sexual Abuse Centre.

Ms Annemarie Foley

I am the general manager of Kerry Women's Refuge and Support Services.

Ms Joan Courtney

I am a support worker with the Tralee Women's Resource Centre.

Ms Helen Lyons

I am a development worker with the Open Door Network.

Ms Jo Lambe

I am also a development worker with the Open Door Network.

Perhaps Ms Casey would start her presentation.

Ms Casey

We are here today to speak on the issue of violence against women and children in Ireland. We represent 13 non-governmental organisations which work with survivors and families every day. We wish to share our experience with the joint committee and give a voice to the women who live with the effects of sexual violence and domestic abuse. The 13 agencies which support today's address are ADAPT Kerry Women's Refuge and Support Services; Cuanlee Refuge, Cork; Good Shepherd Services, Cork; Kerry Rape and Sexual Abuse Centre Limited; Mná Feasta; MOVE, Cork; OSS, Cork; Open Door Network; Sexual Violence Centre, Cork; Tralee Women's Resource Centre; Traveller Visibility Group; West Cork Women Against Violence Project; YANA, You Are Not Alone, project, Mallow, County Cork.

I draw the committee's attention to a definition of violence against women and rape to clarify what we are talking about. The United Nations Beijing Declaration and Platform for Action stated:

Violence against women is an obstacle to the achievement of the objectives of equality, development and peace. Violence against women both violates and impairs or nullifies the enjoyment by women of their human rights and fundamental freedoms ... In all societies, to a greater or lesser degree, women and girls are subjected to physical, sexual and psychological abuse that cuts across lines of income, class and culture. The low social and economic status of women can be both a cause and a consequence of violence against women.

Section 2 of the Criminal Law (Rape) Act 1981 defines rape as follows:

2.—(1) A man commits rape if—

(a) he has unlawful sexual intercourse with a woman who at the time of the intercourse does not consent to it, and

(b) at that time he knows that she does not consent to the intercourse or he is reckless as to whether she does or does not consent to it .....

In section 4 of the Criminal Law (Rape) (Amendment) Act 1994 rape is defined as follows:

4.—(1) In this Act "rape under section 4” means a sexual assault that includes—

(a) penetration (however slight) of the anus or mouth by the penis, or

(b) penetration (however slight) of the vagina by any object held or manipulated by another person.

Please note also that the World Health Organisation states:

Violence against women is present in most societies but it often goes unrecognized, accepted as part of the order of things. Information about the extent of this violence from scientifically sound studies is still relatively scant. However, domestic violence against women has been documented for all countries and socioeconomic environments, and available evidence suggests that it is much more far-reaching than was previously believed. In different parts of the world, between 16% and 52% of women suffer physical violence from their male partners, and at least one in five women suffer rape or attempted rape in their lifetimes. It is also well-known that rape and sexual torture are systematically used as weapons of war. Violence negates women's autonomy and undermines their potential as individuals and members of society.

We will also speak about violence against women, including elder abuse, stalking, intimidation, trafficking of women and pornography. Ms Vera O'Leary will address the committee on the challenges for victims of sexual violence.

Ms O’Leary

I thank the joint committee for the invitation to attend today. Members have our submission before them. They should also have additional information on the Kerry Rape and Sexual Abuse Centre and legal reform. Our submission arises in the context of the considerable expertise we have gained since 1992 in County Kerry in dealing with victims of sexual violence and the issues that affect them. Our staff and volunteers have a wealth of experience that can provide an important context for the criminal justice system. The focus of the Kerry Rape and Sexual Abuse Centre is on victims and their experience.

For the purposes of this submission I will focus on the legal aspects and reporting. The matters I would like to bring to the committee's attention include the lack of a sexual assault treatment unit, which I know is not necessarily within the brief of this committee. However, in his introduction the Chairman stated this was an issue of equality. I feel strongly that the lack of forensic medical examinations for victims of rape, not just in County Kerry but throughout the country, is a matter of equality.

The committee has before it a copy of the recommendations for legal redress in favour of victims. The recommendations are based on what is known about sexual violence in Ireland. While I have a healthy disrespect for statistics, there are some which are worth bearing in mind. Currently, fewer than one in ten complainants in cases involving sexual violence engage with the criminal justice system. We need to ask ourselves why. The phenomenon of under-reporting cuts across many jurisdictions, but for those who do report their experiences, Ireland, compared to 20 other European countries, experiences the highest number of cases falling out of the system before coming before the courts. Some research is being done and it is hoped that by next year we will know why there is such a high attrition rate in sexual violence in Ireland. We need to ask ourselves why this is happening and why, in spite of a sustained increase in the number of reported cases of sexual violence, we have a lower conviction rate. We convict only 5%. The criminal justice system has found it notoriously difficult to deliver justice for victims of sexual violence. The absence of justice must be tackled with great urgency. We all need to be involved in a partnership to deliver the best possible service for victims. That is where politicians need to come in.

The Rape Crisis Network of Ireland, RCNI, has produced a position paper which is a 19 point plan, with recommendations for further research. There are three areas which are particularly in urgent need of attention — the need for a statutory definition of what is meant by consent in the context of sexual violence; specialist training and education for all agencies in the criminal justice system; and an ending of the current "no reasons for decisions" policy of the Director of Public Prosecutions and its replacement with a mechanism that is accountable. A client in the Kerry Rape and Sexual Abuse Centre who made the very courageous decision to report abusive experiences was recently informed that the Director of Public Prosecutions was not taking a prosecution. She has great difficulty in coming to terms with this decision and not being told the reasons. She fails to understand this and decided to take a civil case, but this door is also closed to her because she has no financial means. Where does she go to get justice?

Rapid movement on the three issues mentioned would make an immediate and significant difference to the ability of the justice system to bring charges and convict. It would also have a positive effect on the survivor's experience of the justice system, resulting in more victims considering reporting crimes of sexual violence. We know from direct contact with clients that the legal process is long and slow. A client who is engaged with the process has attended court four times in the past six months. Each time the case is adjourned on a minor technicality. She is finding it increasingly traumatic to remain with the process. The Department of Justice, Equality and Law Reform has enunciated as a key objective the need for balance of proportionality, to find the right balance between the rights of the accused, the prosecutor, the victims of crime and society generally. I often feel the rights of the accused are paramount in the system. It is respectfully submitted that the recommendations made in the legal position paper would go a long way towards meeting this objective.

The need for a sexual assault treatment unit in County Kerry was identified and a dedicated working group set up. It comprised medical nursing staff, members of the Garda Síochána and the Kerry Rape and Sexual Abuse Centre. In April 2002 a pilot scheme was undertaken. This service operated very successfully, in spite of the fact that no resources had been allocated. A total of 60 clients were seen and supported. A decision was made in September 2004 to contact general practitioners in the Kerry region with a view to having trained doctors on a rota to undertake the forensic medical examinations. A total of ten GPs expressed their interest. They were self-selected — it is very important that they are attitudinally suited to doing this work and not forced into doing it. The Department of Justice, Equality and Law Reform funds the cost incurred in forensic examinations. Unfortunately, because of a lack of resources to fund a nursing post and on-call nurses, this initiative did not take place. It is with great sadness that I say this.

The genesis of a service is available, but it is functioning at a very low level owing to a lack of nursing resources. Even with the existence of a SATU in County Kerry, some victims have to travel for more than an hour. Anybody who knows County Kerry will be aware that geographically it is very spread out. Victims reporting have to travel to Cork for examination. They have to undertake a trip of approximately an hour and a half from Tralee or Killarney. If they are coming from Dingle or Caherciveen, that adds another hour or two. This places an unacceptable burden on someone who has been subjected to the most traumatic experience of rape. They are also required, at their own expense, to return to Cork for any follow-up treatment. This may involve up to four visits.

Research shows that one in ten people who are raped or sexually assaulted report to the Garda but having to travel to another county for examination can reduce the rate. We have been told by clients that they did not report because they did not wish to travel to Cork. One rape victim who did not want to report told us that she felt very isolated because she had nowhere to go to be examined and would have had to report to avail of the facility in Cork. Another said she felt very uncomfortable having to go to Cork in the back of a squad car. She said she felt like a criminal and that it was very obvious to anybody who saw her in the car that she had either been a victim of a crime or had committed a crime.

In the experience of counsellors in the Kerry Rape and Sexual Abuse Centre the majority of the rape victims who had to travel to Cork for forensic medical examination did not avail of counselling until months later. In the aftermath of a rape what most people want is to feel safe, to be somewhere familiar and to have access to support. Having to travel to Cork is far removed from this. It is the experience of the Kerry Rape and Sexual Abuse Centre that the majority of rape victims examined in County Kerry availed of follow-up counselling.

The outcome of funding this proposal would achieve an increase in current levels of reporting and an increased sense of safety for those who report. It would make long-term economic sense for the Government to fund this unit. The framework is in place. There is commitment, as well as co-operation between all the statutory and voluntary agencies. We have access to training. There is a very experienced consultant gynaecologist in the hospital. There is 24-hour on-call availability of highly trained volunteers from the Kerry Rape and Sexual Abuse Centre. Local gardaí have been proactive for many years in developing a professional, sensitive service for rape victims in keeping with best practice and agreed protocols. There are trained female gardaí available at all times to attend the forensic examination, for which the hospital has a dedicated space available. There is a strong commitment but we need a small amount of money.

There is a need for adequate provision of medical and therapeutic services to limit the development of long-term emotional problems and ill health. We are awaiting the report from the sub-group established to look at SATUs in Ireland before anything happens in this area. The arguments in favour of the provision of such services are evidenced by national and international research. Being supported and kept informed are of critical importance to rape victims and can enhance the healing process.

I have information on nurse examiners which I will not go through. Members can read it themselves. I thank the committee for the opportunity it has given me to inform it of some of the issues that affect us in County Kerry. I hope today marks the beginning of a partnership whereby we can see services increased in the Kerry region.

I present Ms Annemarie Foley, manager of ADAPT Kerry Women's Refuge and Support Services, who will now address the committee.

Ms Foley

I thank the joint committee for allowing us to make this submission to it. I hope to raise some of the issues challenging refuge and support services working on the front line with victims of domestic violence in the Kerry region.

The first issue I would like to highlight is that of the habitual residence condition which was introduced by the Government as and from 1 May 2004. It places an onus on an applicant for social welfare assistance to prove that he or she has been habitually resident here or within the common travel area for a period of two years prior to the date of application. It also places an onus on him or her to prove that he or she intends to remain in residence in this country for the foreseeable future.

Ours is a crisis service and women with no independent incomes of their own have presented to our refuge with their children. This necessitates applying to local community welfare offices for social welfare assistance for these families. However, some of these women's applications have failed because they cannot meet the criteria of the habitual residence condition. This means that they remain without independent income.

We can maintain their stay in the refuge for as long as possible, but the implication of this measure is that the client in question cannot move on from the refuge. If she cannot support herself and her children independently, a woman in this situation is forced to return to the family home because without money she cannot access the provisions of the Domestic Violence Act, pay for legal representation or seek alternative accommodation in which to set up home for herself and her children.

Each child that comes to our service is a victim of domestic violence in his or her own right. It is a failure on the part of the State that children in such circumstances are allowed to return to an unsafe and abusive environment. In our view, this is a breach of basic human rights.

The second issue I wish to raise relates to victims of domestic violence and direct provision. Women have come to our refuge seeking a place of safety, having been accommodated in direct provision. While the management of local centres have been sympathetic to their needs, we have been informed that we must tell these women that if they do not return to their centres of provision within 48 hours they will lose not only their accommodation but also the small weekly financial allowances they are paid.

A woman in these circumstances may seek to have her husband or partner excluded from the accommodation centre or she may seek to have herself and her children transferred elsewhere. These options are not feasible, nor are they supportive of the victims of domestic violence. The women to whom I refer women cannot avail of our services and are obliged to return to unsafe situations. Due to the fact that their stays in the refuge are so short, there is little or no opportunity to involve relevant external support personnel, for example a social worker or public health nurse. These provisions, therefore, place the ongoing safety, health and welfare of women and their children at risk.

We would like to see the introduction of a family law court in each District Court area. Many women seeking the protection of the court must attend and make their applications at the weekly court sitting in their local area. Their applications are heard in camera but it is nevertheless distressing and traumatic for women to endure a day of waiting in what is often a crowded and disturbing environment.

The absence of private facilities for victims of crime means that many women must speak with their solicitors in full view and hearing of members of the general public. They tell us that they also feel vulnerable and unsafe because they may be forced to wait in close proximity to their abuser.

When a victim of domestic violence reports a breach of a court order and depending on how the matter is handled from the time the initial report is made to the sanction imposed in court, the community's response can vary. There is a pressing need for more cohesion in this process from all agencies involved. Of particular distress to women in this process is the fact that, as witnesses in these prosecutions, they find themselves in the view of the public if asked to provide evidence. However, having persevered and endured, many women are disillusioned by the process when they see their husband or partner walking from the court with perhaps a fine or merely a caution from the judge. Many women have pressed charges on perhaps five or six occasions and have not seen the imposition of the sanctions provided for under the Domestic Violence Act.

It has been the experience of many clients that considerable delays can be anticipated in moving the issue of custody and access through the court system. Such delays can arise through the waiting list for legal advice via the Legal Aid Board and the length of court listings, particularly in the Circuit Court.

Supervised access is a secondary issue. This can have particular ramifications for victims of domestic violence because access times can often be an opportunity for an abuser to further intimidate, undermine and threaten the victim. There is a clear and pressing need for judges to take the dynamics of domestic violence into account when arrangements regarding access are being put in place. The establishment of supervised access centres where the needs of children and the absent parent can be met but where the security and protection of a victim of domestic violence can also be maintained is of crucial importance. There are many successful international models available for consideration.

A key concern regarding the qualifying criteria for the Domestic Violence Act is that there is no protection under the Act in circumstances where a couple have a child in common. Many women face continued aggression and harassment from their abusers long after their intimate relationships have ended. They may suffer months and years of continued abuse and yet have no access to the provisions of the Domestic Violence Act. This exclusion continues to place women and their children at risk of harm, particularly where the court has granted access arrangements to the abuser.

All of the issues I have outlined can form contributory factors in the decision of many women not to seek the protection of the court.

Ms Casey

The organisations we represent believe that violence against women is a crime and we assert that all abusive behaviour towards women is intolerable and unacceptable. We are committed to working together to promote the safety and welfare of women.

We are increasingly aware that there are glaring gaps in the availability of domestic violence support services for women living in rural areas. The most acute are the limitations on such women seeking confidential supports in their localities. It remains very difficult to access advice, information or domestic violence counselling in rural areas. We recommend that the availability of helplines, access to shelters and local one-to-one supports be developed more intensely than at present and that awareness campaigns aimed at rural women receive the necessary support and resources.

Another area that we were asked to bring to members' attention is the need for designated domestic violence workers in the service of the Garda Síochána. While the Garda has a domestic violence policy, it is the experience of our clients that the response depends upon the individual garda involved. It would, therefore, seem appropriate to further train and designate officers to deal with our clients.

I wish to draw to members' attention the relationship of inequality in all abusive relationships. In all crimes of sexual and domestic violence one will find the presence of inequality, dominance and an abuse of power and control that results in fear, terror and silence. The perpetrator misuses his or her power and control leaving the victims of sexual and domestic abuse in fear for their lives.

The United Nations declaration states:

Violence against women is a manifestation of historically unequal power relations between men and women, which have led to the domination over and discrimination against women by men and to the prevention of the full advancement of women, and that violence against women is one of the crucial mechanisms by which women are forced into a subordinate position compared with men.

In 1985, the Irish Government ratified the Convention on the Elimination of All Forms of Discrimination Against Women, CEDAW. The latter covers discrimination against women, sex roles and stereotyping, trafficking in women and prostitution, women's rights to participate in public and political life, equal rights in education and health care, the rights of women in rural areas, and marriage and family rights. I ask the committee to work towards meeting our obligations under this convention.

We thank members for listening and ask them to do what they can to make the positive changes needed to impact on women's lives. As James Freeman Clarke once said, "It may make a difference to all eternity whether we do right or wrong today". I ask the Chairman what actions will result from today's meeting and whether he can he provide feedback.

The committee was remiss to allow such a period to pass before inviting the Open Door Network to make this presentation in respect of domestic and sexual violence against women. That also goes for Amnesty International and Ruhama. This comprehensive presentation indicates that much work needs to be done on this issue, which does not get the attention it deserves. I hope today's presentations and the contributions by members will help focus attention on the needs of women who suffer domestic and sexual violence. The presentations made clear how harrowing and traumatic it can be for women who suffer violence in domestic relationships and the difficulties they can experience, particularly in rural areas such as Kerry.

I hope today's meeting will focus the attention of not only the Oireachtas but also that of Department of Justice, Equality and Law Reform, which will pay attention to what is happening. I hope that members of the media will highlight what are awful, intolerable and unacceptable situations. Members of the committee will ask questions but, in light of the time constraints, individual replies will not be possible. Will the representatives of the Open Door Network bank their responses until after the members have made their contributions?

I thank the Chairman for making the time available to accommodate these groups — included in which are Ms Catherine Casey from the Open Door Network and Ms Vera O'Leary from the Rape Crisis Centre — that have done wonderful work over the years assisting people in difficulty. These groups would not be here if they did not need the committee's assistance in helping those after whom they look.

Sexual abuse is traumatic, whether it is perpetrated by a partner, husband or parent or whether it occurs within the home or outside. Our guests highlighted the obstacles put in the way of people seeking justice. I think the position is improving but the reports provided by our visitors indicate that there are glaring gaps. Support systems are not there for women, and often their children, who may have to leave home in the middle of the night because of abuse. Every effort must be made to help such people. If support is not provided, fewer people will be inclined to report the abuse they suffer. Many individuals do not report this hidden abuse. This is horrendous and should not happen in a country that is supposedly one of the wealthiest in the world. If we cannot look after the vulnerable, we have a great deal for which we must answer.

It is appropriate that this meeting should take place in the aftermath of a shocking television programme on the trafficking of women. It is time we turned our minds to the abuse of women. I am aware of many of the issues raised by the group and I will not take up much of the other committee members' time.

It is important that hospitals have sexual assault units. If a victim needs to be forensically examined, a doctor and nurse are required. If such circumstances arise in Tralee Hospital, a nurse must be taken from another duty and everyone is aware that there is a shortage of nurses. However, additional nurses should be put in place in every region. Women living in rural areas experience particular difficulties. In the city, a person is a number. In the country, however, people know each other's business and individuals seek privacy. Along with the training of nurses, this is an issue that must be taken up by both the Joint Committee on Health and Children and this committee.

The court system can cause frustration for victims, the Garda and people working with victims of abuse. There have been occasions when victims arrived at court only to be informed that their cases will not be heard until a later date. Such individuals might have travelled for two or three hours. Surely it would not cost much to contact victims the evening before their cases are due to be heard to inform them that they will not proceed until a later date. Otherwise, traumatised persons are given false hope. Representatives of the courts came before the committee previously and we had a positive meeting with them. Perhaps it is time for us to meet them again to enquire about this issue.

Could Ms Foley expand on the effects of the habitual residence condition as it applies to women in refuge? Women forced to leave home with few personal belongings obviously need assistance.

I do not know if the provision of a family law court in every District Court area would help speed up the process for victims of abuse. Are additional judges required? The slowness of the process is frustrating people because they seek closure and cannot receive it until their cases are heard in court.

I thank the representatives of the Open Door Network once again. They have opened many people's eyes by highlighting the issues facing abused women and their children.

I wish to apologise for the unavoidable absence of Deputy Jim O'Keeffe, our spokesperson on justice, who was obliged to attend a meeting of another committee. He regrets that he cannot be present. Like Deputy Moynihan-Cronin, I was impressed by the presentation given by the Open Door Network and I thank them for attending. There is urgent work to be done on these issues by the Oireachtas and by a number of Government Departments and other agencies.

What is the view of the Open Door Network representatives on training for members of the Judiciary? Is the latter adequate or should members of the Judiciary, in light of the cases our guests outlined, be given additional training?

The representatives of the Open Door Network outlined, quite graphically, the role of the courts and the difficulties in which victims find themselves when they appear therein. Very often they find themselves positioned adjacent to the alleged perpetrator or perpetrators. The delegates also outlined the role of family courts and the need for sexual assault treatment units. I concur with them regarding the need for the latter. Perhaps the committee should write to the Minister about this to secure some funding to get the units up and running. It does not make sense that it is not available when everything else is in place. I was struck by the picture drawn of the loneliness of women living in rural areas who have practically no supports.

The delegation said that despite a sustained increase in reported cases of sexual violence, there is a lower conviction rate — only 5% at present. Does the sustained increase in reported cases indicate a sustained increase in actual cases? There is always a difficulty in trying to differentiate between what is reported and what is actually happening. From what the delegates indicated, it appears that the system seems to be stacked against those who wish to report. An example was given of a person who made a very courageous decision to report an incident but in whose case no action was taken. The individual in question was given no reason for this. It appears that people are discouraged from reporting by the system, yet there is a sustained increase in reported cases. Does this mean that more sexual violence is occurring? If so, does anybody know why? Is it a cultural problem? Does it result from the impact of pornography and the occurrence of sexual violence in society generally? What can we do to prevent it in the first instance?

The delegates' report states that there is a significant problem in respect of inequality. It also refers to dominance and the use of power and control. Terror and silence are also factors. If the system is failing, there is no in-built deterrent and, therefore, the perpetrator might feel he will get away with his crime.

There are two sides to the story, namely, the cultural question of why sexual violence occurs and the questions that arise from the failure of the criminal justice system to deal with the matter properly. If it were dealt with properly, people would be aware that they would receive a sentence of ten years or more if they got caught.

I was very struck by the description of the habitual residence condition. The people involved are really trapped and we need to do something about this. The Department of Social and Family Affairs may have a role in this regard.

The witnesses said that fewer than one in ten complain and that convictions amount to 5%. Is that 5% of those who make complaints?

I welcome our guests and thank them, as acknowledged by the Chairman, for making contact with the committee much earlier in the year. My colleagues and I are delighted that they are present and I thank them for their presentation.

Deputy McEllistrim relayed to me his apologies for not being present. He wanted to be here to support the work carried out at the Open Door centre, the Rape Crisis Centre and the other centres represented. Very often the centres must resort to the local authority to assist women who need homes of their own. Local authorities often have a policy of not housing one family in two homes. What is the delegates' relationship with local authorities, particularly the housing sections thereof, in this regard?

The delegates stated that women report sexual crimes but that there is a need for further reporting. There should be advertising in our media, particularly on television, on this subject in order that women will know what supports are available.

Do children or young adults ever approach the centres to report? Is it always the actual victim that reports an incident? Do the centres deal with issues concerning violence against men in the home or is it always women and children with whom they deal?

How do the delegates cope with non-Irish citizens who may have language difficulties? Are interpreters available? Is there an increasing number of reports of violence carried out by young males in households, particularly in light of the increased availability of the Internet, on which, all too often, sexual violence is loosely portrayed? It is not always the partner or spouse of the woman of the house that is responsible, it is sometimes her son.

The points being made are that we need to assist organisations such as those present in order that people will know that supports are available when they report violent incidents. I am aware that ASCEND in Roscrea, which is in my constituency, does a wonderful job. Its members are colleagues of the delegates. Its services are availed of and we are delighted that it exists to cater for the needs of people in horrendous circumstances.

Specialist staff, including medical staff, are important to support the victims that come forward and also to support the workers, who will continue to feel frustrated if such staff are not employed.

Reference was made to the long journeys people are obliged to make to the specialist units in hospitals. My information is that women in north Tipperary must often travel to Waterford Regional Hospital to obtain assessments and medical support. That is a long journey of 80 or 90 miles and such women must make it while in a traumatised state.

The committee must highlight these issues and lobby the relevant officials in the Department to ensure that the process does not remain static and that funding will continue to be provided directly to those who need it.

I welcome the different groups. Like my colleagues, I thank them and commend them on their work. We will always need such groups to assist and protect victims. They are providing a very valuable support service to the wider community. On behalf of the Independent Deputies in the Dáil, I must say that the groups will always have our full support on these issues.

Why are there so many sexual assaults and so much violence against women and children after years of Stay Safe programmes, education programmes and legal cases, and despite issues being highlighted in the media? Why is this nightmare for women and children continuing?

My second question relates to sexual abuse against women with intellectual disabilities. Addressing this matter is important to me and I find it often represents the hidden story in wider society. Many people with intellectual disabilities, particularly teenagers and young women, are sexually assaulted in various institutions or in other circumstances. The assaults may be perpetrated by care workers or others. This story is not often told. What is the delegates' experience of cases of abuse of women with intellectual disabilities? I have some experience of this matter from having dealt with victims in my constituency, but I would like to know the broader picture. The 5% conviction rate is appalling. When one examines recent figures for the criminal justice system, it appears that in regular criminal cases there is a 95% conviction rate. It is amazing that there is such a low conviction rate for sexual offences. As this issue must be dealt with from a legislative perspective, I would like to hear more ideas.

Is there a greater incidence of violence and sexual assaults against women and children in lower socio-economic groups or is the same level to be found across all strands of society? It is often perceived that the incidence of sexual assaults in lower socio-economic groups is higher. Is this perception accurate?

My next question relates to support services for victims and groups such as those represented by the delegation. Is there a considerable gap between services in urban and rural areas in respect of funding and support?

I thank the delegation and commend it for its work. We have listened very carefully to its views and I hope it receives the justice it seeks.

I have a number of questions about the Kerry Rape and Sexual Abuse Centre. Some of the charts contain mind-boggling information. It appears there is a significant number of complaints of rape and sexual assault among the refugee and asylum seeker population, compared to the total number of complaints. More than 90 victims of rape contacted the Kerry Rape and Sexual Abuse Centre. How many rapes occurred in County Kerry which were not reported to the centre?

The greatest number of complaints concern child sexual abuse, with between 115 and 120 complaints being made. Will Ms O'Leary tell us how recent these complaints are, whether the Residential Institutions Redress Board has addressed them and how many complaints are made by males and females? I noted that over two thirds of those who contact the Kerry Rape and Sexual Abuse Centre complain of events which occurred in the past. How does the centre deal with such complaints?

I acknowledge that a considerable number of questions have been asked but I would be grateful if Ms O'Leary could answer them as comprehensively as possible.

Ms O’Leary

I will begin by addressing the point made about the annual report for last year. There was a considerable increase in the number of refugee and asylum-seeking women availing of our services. The women concerned told us horrific stories about sexual violence which had occurred in their home countries. The major issue facing the centre is acquiring translators and interpreters. Confidentiality and cost and the significant strain it places on the centre's resources are other issues.

National figures show that between approximately 10% and 20% of rape victims report the offence, a scenario reflected in County Kerry. Only a small proportion of clients accessing our services have gone through the Residential Institutions Redress Board. In the past two years approximately five clients have made allegations of institutional abuse, availed of the board's services and been successful. The majority of the centre's clients are adult survivors of child sexual abuse, of whom male survivors make up approximately 15%.

Would they have psychological problems, for which they are seeking counselling?

Ms O’Leary

Yes, the main service provided by the centre, as can be seen in the annual report, is professional counselling. All of our counsellors are professionally qualified and accredited and have specific expertise and years of experience in working with victims of sexual violence.

I thank members for their comments and support. It was stated the major issue was staffing. The amount of money required by the centre is approximately €46,000, which would pay for a part-time nurse and a number of on-call nurses. This is a tiny amount for such an important service.

I have been doing this work for 14 years and witnessed many changes in the criminal justice system in this period. Matters have improved greatly at criminal court level, partly owing to decentralisation. The list is not as long as it once was. However, services for victims of sexual violence are abysmal at both District and Circuit Court level. Training for members of the Judiciary is badly needed but I do not think it can be made mandatory. It could possibly be introduced through negotiations with the judicial studies board. I am not sure how the Houses of the Oireachtas will approach the issue. However, such training is vital.

There has been a sustained increase in the number of cases involving sexual violence. Irish society has become more violent, with cases involving violence being reported every day. Sexual violence is part of this phenomenon. As it involves the abuse of power, it goes hand in hand with any increase in the level of violence. There is greater availability of pornography but a very clear message is being sent to perpetrators of sexual violence that their behaviour carries few consequences. If they are convicted of an offence, the sentence does not reflect the crime. Rape is a heinous crime. It is the second most serious crime in the criminal justice system but often the sentence does not reflect the reality for victims. What can be done to address this? We can send a very clear message that rape is a serious crime which will not be tolerated.

Children and teenagers contact the Kerry Rape and Sexual Abuse Centre. An issue arising concerns reporting and the protection of young people. Unfortunately, we cannot maintain confidentiality when a case involves a teenager. We also work with male clients. Deputy McGrath asks why there has been an increase in the number of cases involving child sexual abuse when education programmes have been introduced. Very few programmes have been introduced. We developed such a programme which is described in our annual report but because of a lack of resources we can only deliver it to a certain number of schools. The Department of Justice, Equality and Law Reform has been supportive and provided us with funding every year but it is limited.

Deputy McGrath also asked about sexual abuse of people with intellectual disabilities. We work with women with intellectual disabilities who are more vulnerable. There is a considerable lack of resources. Cases involving sexual violence are more readily reported by people in lower socio-economic groups but this does not mean such cases do not happen right across the board. It is sometimes easier for people in lower socio-economic groups to report such cases than women and men from middle-class and upper-class backgrounds.

How is the centre funded?

Ms O’Leary

It is funded through the HSE and the regional committee on violence against women. The money comes through the Department of Health and Children. We also receive funding from the Department of Justice, Equality and Law Reform. However, this funding is inadequate and we have not received an increase for four years.

Ms Foley

The issue of the habitual residency condition was raised. It arises because most of the women who come to the refuge come with nothing. If they are not safe and telephone us, we tell them to leave with their children and come to us. More often than not, they come with nothing. This is not a problem if they are in receipt of a social welfare payment because the payment will continue to be made while they are with us. The problem arises for women who come to the refuge who have no history of dealing with the social welfare system and must establish a claim. If a woman cannot prove to the satisfaction of the Department of Social and Family Affairs that she has been resident in Ireland for at least two years prior to the making of her application, she is not entitled to financial assistance. This scenario is becoming more common and will continue to crop up because many women from outside the common travel area are coming to us for help.

It should not be perceived that this is happening to foreign national women only, it is also happening to their Irish counterparts.

Part of the dynamic of domestic violence is that quite often the victim has little or no interaction with statutory services: it is the man who receives the payment, the bills are in his name and he negotiates with agencies and so on. Thus, the woman has no history of her own. We have been obliged to painstakingly build histories for many Irish women through GP or local authority records. We have put together information to satisfy community welfare offices to facilitate them making payments to women. While all of this is happening, women obviously suffer the ongoing indignity of having no incomes of their own. While we provide for them, it is no substitute for their having money in their pockets and having the dignity of deciding on what they wish to spend it. Many women leave the refuge not having dealt with these issues and return to unsafe situations.

A question was asked as to whether the family law court could assist in speeding up the process. I do not believe it would necessarily speed up the process but it would be a far more sensitive setting. I do not know if members have visited local courts. Women who are the victims of domestic violence can often be required to sit next to a prisoner in handcuffs and so on and this can be very unsettling for them. I do not believe dealing with these matters in the family law court would speed up the process but it would make for a more confidential and sensitive setting.

Ms O'Leary replied to Deputy Finian McGrath's question as to why domestic violence continues to obtain in light of the resources allocated to deal with the issue. An important point to note in this regard is that a person with a predisposition to abuse will do so because he or she perceives that no sanctions will be imposed for doing so. I refer in this regard to my remarks relating to those women trying to use the provisions of the Domestic Violence Act to protect themselves and their children. These women, having returned to court five or six times, find that it does not work and that their husbands-partners leave court free men. Deputy Moynihan-Cronin referred to the frustration experienced by the Garda Síochána in these matters. Only last week, a garda expressed his frustration when a man who it was expected would receive a custodial sentence walked free from court leaving the woman with nothing once again. Why would that woman have faith in the system when it has not worked for her?

On the socio-economic spread, I agree that it is easier for victims in the lower socio-economic background to express what is happening to them — there may be in such communities a greater history of sharing information — than it is for women who are higher up the economic scale because they believe they have so much more to lose by disclosing. On male victimisation, we recognise, as a service, that men are also victims of domestic violence. However, we are not resourced to support male victims. While we receive telephone calls from men, we generally refer them to AMEN, the national helpline for male victims. We are resourced purely to provide support to women and children.

Another issue raised was that of young males as perpetrators in the household. We have dealt with women whose sons, not their partners and so on, are abusers. It is important to remember that women also have the capacity to abuse. Some of our clients have been abused by their daughters. It is not only young males who are responsible for this type of abuse.

Deputy Hoctor asked about our relationship with the local authorities. We have developed a positive relationship with the local authorities, which, having taken up training offered to them by the Open Door Network, are now aware of the issues involved. This has been of great benefit to everyone. An ongoing issue is, what happens in regard to the tenancy of a property when a relationship breaks down. The policy appears to be to ask the parties involved to hold off for, say, approximately one year until a decision is made on the tenancy. This can put women in a very difficult position.

Ms Casey

We, as human beings, have rights and women's rights are human rights. We have a right to freedom from cruel, inhuman and degrading treatment. This right cannot be exercised by women who live in situations of domestic or sexual violence owing to a lack of sanctions for perpetrators, effective support systems and a lack of means to economic independence. When seeking answers to some of the questions raised, we must be careful to look to the perpetrator, not the victim, for those answers. It is easy to look for the weakness in the victim when the weakness is in the system that is supposed to protect the victim.

We are undertaking work in Dingle and Caherciveen. One of the obstacles facing women living in situations of domestic violence situations is isolation. We are also faced with obstacles in our dealings with victims of domestic violence. The subject is taboo and people do not wish to discuss it. We must to break that silence before we can get on with our work and that is what we are doing. I take this opportunity to note the positive work we have done with Tralee Town Council, which is an active member of the Open Door Network.

All socio-economic groups are affected by these issues. I have worked with women who, while perceived very wealthy, would not have had a penny in their pockets. Economic abuse is a major factor in violence against women.

I thank the delegation for attending. I hope this meeting will act as a catalyst to further discussion and to our focusing on the very real problem of domestic violence and the problems encountered with perpetrators. I also hope that further action and resources will be put into resolving this problem.

I thank the delegation for travelling here from the far reaches of County Kerry. I do not know if the representatives are supporters of Munster. We have heard a great deal about the supporters from Limerick and Cork. I am sure the Kerry people were just as involved in supporting the Munster team.

The committee will continue to be involved in the implementation of the provisions of CEDAW in respect of equality matters generally. I wish the members of the delegation a safe journey home. The joint committee will suspend until the representatives from Ruhama and Amnesty International have taken their seats.

Sitting suspended at 3.08 p.m. and resumed at 3.10 p.m.

I welcome Ms Kathleen Fahy, director, and Ms Geraldine Rowley, public relations information officer, from Ruhama and Ms Fiona Crowley, research and legal manager, from Amnesty International. I thank them for attending. The question of sexual exploitation and the trafficking of women has been at the forefront of public discourse in the recent past, particularly since the "Prime Time" programme, and the committee is anxious to do what it can to help solve the problem. We are anxious to hear in more depth what the problems are and how we can help to deal with them. Perhaps the delegates from Ruhama and Amnesty International would make their presentations. We will then go to the members.

Ms Kathleen Fahy

I thank the joint committee for inviting us to attend today. Since 1989 Ruhama has been working with women involved in prostitution. The issue of the trafficking of women for sexual exploitation came to our attention in 2000 when we had our first confirmed victim of trafficking. We have publicly voiced our concerns regarding the growth of trafficking for sexual exploitation on a number of occasions since.

As an agency working directly with women caught in the sex industry, I would first like to briefly highlight changes that have taken place within the industry in Ireland in recent years; the experience of women caught up in trafficking in Ireland; the services we can provide; using that background, to set out our position on trafficking and prostitution, and the legislative approach we would like to see adopted. There have been huge changes within the industry since 1989. For a number of years the majority of women involved in street prostitution with whom we worked were Irish, most of them operating for themselves with no involvement of serious criminal gangs. While there were brothels, their prevalence was much less than today. Encounters with non-national women were extremely rare. Today, the industry has become highly organised and is firmly linked with the global crime network. There is much greater tolerance of sexual exploitation of women for entertainment in Ireland today and there appears to be an increasing desensitisation within society in general to the abuses involved, but the stigma for the women involved remains the same.

Information technology and newer forms of communication such as mobile phones, Internet advertising, escort agencies etc. are replacing street-walking as a way of making contact with clients. This makes it easier for pimps and procurers to operate and renders an already secretive trade even more invisible. Within the domestic prostitution scene, the majority of women working on the streets are drug abusers and predominantly Irish nationals. Non-nationals trafficked into the country are young, in their late teens or early twenties, and operate from brothels and private apartments.

Up to today Ruhama knows of more than 200 women trafficked into Ireland in recent years. We have come into direct contact with 101 women, of whom we have assisted 48. These numbers may appear small but we believe for a number of reasons that they are only the tip of the iceberg. Most of the women with whom we have worked have indicated to us that they know of five or six other women in similar circumstances. We are a small agency and our capacity to meet women is quite limited, given the undercover nature and near invisibility of the business. There is a lack of knowledge generally among service providers in recognising trafficked women or understanding the profile of a trafficked woman. Hence, they are not always identified through other services and referred to us.

In our direct service we have met women from Romania, Albania, Ukraine, Croatia, Moldova, Lithuania, Russia, the Czech Republic, Venezuela, Brazil, Nigeria and South Africa. Almost without exception, theirs is a story of abuse — sexual, emotional and psychological — from the time they were coerced or enticed from their homes. Most have experienced systematic violence. Some came with boyfriends or people they trusted who, shortly after arriving here, forced them into prostitution. Others knew, on some level at least, on leaving their countries that they would be entering some part of the sex industry but never imagined the levels of control and violence they would have to endure. The situation of each of the women with whom we deal is different and complex and their safety and other needs need to be assessed on an individual basis. Invariably, they need very intensive levels of support, given the trauma they have endured and the fact that they have no family or social network to fall back on. During the years Ruhama has built a group of volunteers, currently numbering more than 40, who support our much smaller staff in providing support on a rota basis. We have been able to give, with the numbers who have come through to us, the levels of support required.

The service we offer can be summarised as follows. Shelter is the first priority. We pay for bed and breakfast accommodation in safe locations and are building a database of a network of contacts nationwide who can provide us with accommodation. We refer women to specialist health services. There is interpretation, counselling and legal advice. During the years we have built contacts with a number of professionals in these areas — people who can provide translation services, counsellors who understand the psychological trauma involved and have worked with us and women involved in prostitution, lawyers who advise on the asylum and immigration process. Some of these services are volunteered. Others we pay for, usually at a concessionary rate. Other services include in-house training which typically includes literacy, language and computer training.

The women with whom we have worked have been with us for varying periods of time from a few days to a couple of months or, in a few cases, a couple of years. No woman in our service to date has been deported, but women have chosen to be repatriated, while others have been given leave to remain. We often find that women will take the first opportunity to go home, fearful and distrustful of the police here, the situation and environment they are in. This may not always be the best option for them, as there are very real dangers of being picked up by traffickers again. They also face huge difficulties of reintegration because of the stigma attached to prostitution and the post-traumatic stress involved. A period of reflection here to help them get back on their feet would be important. However, lacking the legislation, there are few long-term options that Ruhama can place before them.

I would like to speak a little on trafficking and prostitution and how they are interrelated. Trafficking is a contemporary form of slavery. For Ruhama, trafficking and prostitution are about exploitation; in this case, the exploitation of women as sexual commodities to be bought and sold. For us, the two are inseparable. Trafficked women are often prostituted locally first and when deported back to their own country, get caught up in the sex trade again. If there were not an organised sex industry to receive them at this end, if the demand for commercial sexual services was not there, the trade in women and children would not be so lucrative. If it was not such a profitable pursuit, criminals would not be drawn to it. The deeper one explores this domino effect the more convincing is the conclusion that society's ambivalent attitude towards prostitution, an attitude that accepts the idea of trading in human beings in this way and does not see it as exploitation or as violence against women, is ultimately what perpetuates the injustice and allows it to continue.

In 1949 the United Nations was clear that organised prostitution was the economic and structural foundation of sex trafficking. Today, we engage in meaningless debate about forced and free prostitution, about whether a woman was coerced into being trafficked and assign sympathy or condemnation accordingly. Ruhama believes this only clouds and confuses the issue. If, nationally and internationally, we were able to view this issue through the prism of human rights and a violence against women framework, this ambivalence and some of the difficulties encountered in trying to legislate on the issue would be surmounted, but that is not the case.

Many countries have legalised prostitution. Others deal with the issue through public order regulations, immigration policies and so on, leading to an array of approaches which ultimately criminalise the victim but do not lead to a reduction in the demand for their services or, consequently, the scope for profiteering. The international literature suggests that those countries that legalise prostitution have created a context which is conducive to trafficking as it expands the market. The removal of legal constraints leads to greater tolerance and desensitises the public to the abuses involved. In turn, this leads to greater demand. and creates a safe haven for criminals who can operate with impunity under the cover of legitimacy.

In Australia, in the state of Victoria, it was found, contrary to expectations, that legalisation resulted in a great increase in unlicensed brothels. In Sweden, however, where legislation on prostitution has been drafted within a human rights framework, criminalising the buyer of sexual services and treating the women as victims of violence, the domestic market for prostitution has significantly reduced, as has the market for trafficked women. The Swedish Government has stated that international trafficking in human beings could not flourish but for the existence of local prostitution markets where men are willing and able to buy and sell women and children for sexual exploitation. Ruhama proposes that Ireland should look closely at the Swedish model in drafting the legislation.

What is Ruhama seeking in the new legislation? First, clear definitions on what is meant by sexual exploitation in order to remove the ambiguities which, to date, have been obstacles to victim identification. Definitions must address the dichotomy of prostitution and trafficking and also the confusion between trafficking and smuggling. Definitions must also address the forced and free choice debate by unequivocally accepting that trafficking and prostitution are at their core violence against the person and violence with a distinctly gendered bias and/or a breach of human rights. Defining trafficking solely as a problem of criminal justice or an illegal immigrant issue, though it does concern both, focuses only on one side of the equation and tends to lead to legislation that highlights illegal entry, undocumented migration, law and order issues and tends to respond to trafficking as if it were in some way a victimless crime.

These approaches serve the needs of the State and other interests but not those of victims. The UN protocol and the Council of Europe declarations on trafficking offer a consensus definition of trafficking in human beings and a framework for domestic legislation. Both have pros and cons, but the provisions include human rights protection for the victims that are set down as international obligations and not as privileges that governments can grant or withhold.

Other specifics that we would like included arise from our direct experience of working with women. We highlight means of providing protection and assistance to victims, for example, a temporary residency or a reflection period of six months to be given to the victim to remain in the country, a time in which she can begin to deal with the trauma involved and reflect on her options. We feel the burden of proof must not be placed on the woman, who should not, as is the case in some countries, be coerced into testifying. After all we may not be able to protect her and certainly not her family in her country of origin. The law should not revictimise her in the process. We are seeking a co-ordinated, multidisciplinary response to the needs of the victim. This would incorporate the Garda Síochána, health services and NGOs. We are also seeking access for specialist agencies such as Ruhama to meet trafficked women in direct provision. We are denied such access at present. We are also seeking adequate resources for gardaí to tackle the problem, a recognition of the sustained investigations and surveillance that are needed to detect and bring sustainable charges through the criminal process and training for the Garda Síochána, customs officials and society at large.

We need to significantly raise the level of personal risk involved for criminals in bringing persons into the country by means of threat, force or deception. The only way to do this is to introduce strict punitive measures that reflect the gravity of the crime. We would look at the Criminal Assets Bureau and propose that penalties and seized assets be used to assist victims. After all, it is the women who created the wealth for the criminals in the first instance.

Other issues are provision for adequate resources to service providers to meet the needs of the victims, which include protection, housing, health care, counselling and so on, irrespective of whether the victim collaborates in the investigation process as well as a voluntary return and reintegration process. We feel that a serious approach to resettlement, linking closely with specialised agencies within the country of origin, is required to ensure the safe repatriation of victims, recognising that, unlike the arms and drug trades — the only two industries currently more lucrative than the trade in human beings — victims can be recycled back into the sex industry countless times. I focused on the protection and assistance to victims while in Ireland but long-term action is also needed if efforts to put an end to trafficking are to be effective.

We need to recognise that trafficking is primarily a flow of people from poor to rich countries. There is a need for a concerted multilateral effort aimed at reducing the supply side in the equation. There is a need to address the harm caused by the prostitution market to communities associated with on-street prostitution and to the individuals involved, regardless of whether they have crossed international borders. We absolutely need a public awareness campaign to alert the public to the issue and sensitise people, particularly young men to the abuses involved. There is a very real lack of data on the numbers of people being brought here, the routes they take and whether Ireland is a transit or a destination country and whether the Border with Northern Ireland is used in any significant way in this process. Given the invisibility and covert nature of this crime, we need to make a concerted effort to get at the truth and establish the scope of the problem. This is one reality we must seek — it does not stare us in the face every day but remains invisible and that works for the criminals involved. Ruhama proposes that Ireland should develop a national action plan in respect of fighting human trafficking. All aspects such as prevention, protection, repatriation, reintegration of victims, data analysis and so on could be dealt with under this plan. It could also provide a mechanism through which we could co-ordinate our responses and establish formal working relationships with international fora, particularly relevant bodies throughout Europe, in order to combat this essentially transnational crime.

I thank Ms Fahey for her informative presentation. The situation has become critical in the very recent past and the work that Ruhama is doing should be supported. We will take on board the suggestions made in the presentation and consider them carefully.

Ms Fiona Crowley

Amnesty International very much welcomes this opportunity to make an input into the committee's deliberations on the issue of trafficking in human beings, specifically for the purpose of sexual exploitation. This is a serious human rights abuse occurring on an unprecedented scale globally and is a cause of increasing concern in Ireland. My colleagues in Ruhama outlined the nature of the problem and the experience of NGOs on the ground. In the field of preventing trafficking, the root causes clearly need to be addressed both in terms of tackling the poverty, human rights abuses and discrimination against women occurring in countries of origin and also dealing with the demand side in countries of destination.

I will concentrate on the legislative and other measures that Amnesty International would like to see implemented in Ireland if trafficking is to be taken seriously. As the director of Ruhama pointed out, it is important to distinguish between people smuggling, which, of course, involves significant human rights abuses and trafficking because the latter entails exploitation that continues after the victim arrives at her final destination. International literature shows that women and children are most at risk of falling prey to trafficking because they are the most likely to experience the poverty and oppression that forces people into these situations.

Due to the covert nature, including the involvement of criminal gangs, of this activity, women who are trafficked are extremely vulnerable to violence at all stages of their journey at the hands of traffickers and clients and this continues when they reach their final destination. Little is known, for a number of reasons, about the number and circumstances of victims of trafficking in Ireland. As well as the covert nature of the problem, we believe the lack of protective measures for victims, means there is little incentive for them to come forward and make themselves known. It is only through the extraordinary efforts of the Garda Síochána and organisations such as Ruhama that their circumstances have become known.

The expert group on trafficking in human being was established by the European Commission in 2003 to advise on ways of strengthening EU action in the area. Its 2004 report points out that states have concentrated predominantly on measures in the area of crime control and migration policies rather than on victim assistance and protection. The expert group believes that to tackle trafficking effectively, this imbalance needs to be redressed. It concluded that the neglect of the area of assistance and protection to trafficked persons not only falls shorts of the obligations states have under international human rights law but also constitutes an obstacle to information gathering and addressing trafficking in an effective manner. It advises that trafficked persons should have access to adequate remedies, including assistance, protection and compensation, regardless of their willingness or capacity to testify against their traffickers. In its 2005 shadow report to the United Nations Convention on the Elimination of All Forms of Discrimination against Women committee, the Irish Human Rights Commission recommended that legislation should place a strong emphasis on the protection of victims of trafficking and that measures should be put in place to provide for the physical, psychological and social recovery of victims, including the provision of housing, counselling and medical care.

The Chairman mentioned the committee's familiarity with the Convention on the Elimination of All Forms of Discrimination against Women. Members will be aware, therefore, that Article 6 requires Ireland, as a state party, to take all appropriate measures, including legislation, to suppress all forms of trafficking of women and their exploitation as prostitutes. In July 2005 the United Nations Convention on the Elimination of All Forms of Discrimination against Women committee stated its concern at the trafficking of women and girls into Ireland, the lack of information on the extent of the problem, the lack of a comprehensive strategy to combat it and the lack of specific legislation in this area. It recommended the adoption and implementation of a comprehensive strategy to combat the trafficking of women and girls, which would include preventive measures, the prosecution and punishment of offenders and the enactment of specific legislation. Despite this, Amnesty International is concerned that the State may be minimising the scale of trafficking into Ireland.

The recent report of the Department of Justice, Equality and Law Reform and Garda Síochána working group on trafficking in human beings published on 5 May is welcome. However, Amnesty International is concerned that its account of what it describes as "the situation in Ireland" runs to just 159 words. The report concludes there is no evidence to suggest the trafficking of persons into Ireland for the purposes of sexual exploitation is widespread. This appears to be based on the fact that Garda operations have covered only a small number of trafficking cases. It contains no reference, for example, to anecdotal information from other agencies such as Ruhama. It further states the Garda has encountered a small number of cases of Eastern European women being trafficked into Ireland for the purpose of sexual exploitation within their own ethnic communities. The "Prime Time" documentary broadcast on this issue clearly shows that Irish men are also complicit in this human rights abuse.

There are no specific legislative measures to address trafficking of women for the purpose of sexual exploitation as a crime. The Child Trafficking and Pornography Act makes it a serious offence to traffick children, but otherwise trafficking is not specifically criminalised and punished as such. The Illegal Immigrants Trafficking Act 2000 contains an offence described as trafficking, but in reality this refers to smuggling. According to the Government's working group report, in trafficking cases it is also possible for the prosecuting authorities to bring charges for a range of offences covered by ordinary criminal law, including sexual offences, false imprisonment and so on. However, the report cites no examples where traffickers have been prosecuted or convicted of these offences. The Palermo Protocol to the UN Convention Against Transnational Organised Crime was signed by Ireland in December 2000 but cannot be ratified until we have legislation that criminalises trafficking. The EU Council framework decision on combating trafficking in human beings, 2002, required member states to make trafficking in human beings a criminal offence by August 2004. This year the European Commission is to evaluate implementation of that framework decision. Clearly, the odds of Ireland having the legislation on the Statute Book in time for that review are slim.

It is expected that a Criminal Justice (Trafficking in Persons and Sexual Exploitation of Children) Bill will provide for the requisite offence of trafficking. However, the foot-dragging on this legislation has been remarkable. For instance, on 28 March 2002 the then Minister for Justice, Equality and Law Reform, in a speech to Seanad Éireann urgings its approval of the State adopting the Council framework decision on combating trafficking in human beings, said the preparatory work on the legislation had commenced in his Department. Publication of the Bill is a matter of urgent priority. However, the Bill is not expected to provide measures for the protection and recovery of victims. It is anticipated that the Department of Justice, Equality and Law Reform may provide the protection in question for victims in the Immigration and Residence Bill which is expected to be published shortly. The discussion paper published by the Department in April 2005 outlining proposals for the Bill stated:

Existing legislative provisions on the issue of trafficking and smuggling should be examined to see whether they can be strengthened. The position of victims of trafficking should be safeguarded with a view to assisting them and getting co-operation in the prosecution of perpetrators

Amnesty International would like to see this as an implicit promise that there will be protections. However, the report of the working group is weak in this regard. It recommends that the Department of Justice, Equality and Law Reform bring forward the proposed Immigration and Residence Bill as soon as possible, including provisions to impact positively in the fight against human trafficking. It contains no analysis of the protection regimes in place elsewhere, nor any comprehensive description of the regimes that should be in place here. In this context, Amnesty International urges the committee to make strong recommendations to Government as to what legislative protections are required.

The Council of Europe adopted the Convention on Action against Trafficking in Human Beings on 3 May 2005, requiring member states to take measures, individually and collectively, to prevent trafficking and prosecute those responsible for trafficking and to take specific measures to protect and respect the rights of trafficked persons. The convention establishes an independent body of experts to monitor its implementation by state parties. Amnesty International considers the convention a solid basis for Ireland's efforts to combat trafficking in a way that respects and protects the rights of trafficked persons. We urge the Government to sign and ratify the convention at the earliest opportunity.

We urge that pending Irish legislation comply with the minimum standard set by the Council of Europe, including provision for activities aimed at preventing trafficking and prosecuting those responsible, adoption of procedures to identify trafficked persons and ensuring this key task is undertaken by trained and qualified persons. It should ensure persons who are reasonably believed to have been trafficked are not involuntarily removed until the identification process has been completed and they have been offered assistance and protection. It should also ensure the provision of assistance and protection for all persons reasonably believed to have been trafficked, including, at a minimum, safe and secure housing, psychological and emergency medical assistance, interpretation and translation services, information on their rights, including to compensation. It should ensure such assistance is not conditional on their willingness to act as a witness in any proceedings against those responsible for their trafficking. It should also ensure authorisation of the presence of trafficked persons in the state in which they are found for a period of not less than 30 days which is sufficient for them to begin to recover, escape the influence of their traffickers and make informed decisions about their future. Any repatriation of a trafficked person should be carried out with due regard to his or her rights, safety and dignity. Renewable residence permits should be granted.

A human rights based approach, focused on the needs of victims, is crucial according to the EU expert group. Such an approach and the zealous investigation and prosecution of traffickers are not mutually exclusive. One of the duties of governments to victims of human rights abuses is to respect the right of redress and reparation, that is, the investigation and punishment of their violators.

Amnesty International is concerned at the low level of priority that appears to have been given to victims of trafficking to date, as evidenced by the Government's working group report, but hopes this will not be carried through to the Immigration and Residence Bill. The working group report points out that, to date, very few victims have come forward to State agencies. It states the publicity campaign launched by the Department of Justice, Equality and Law Reform, Crimestoppers and the Garda recently aims to encourage victims of trafficking to come forward in order that State agencies can protect them. While we welcome this campaign, it cannot serve this function in isolation without giving victims some reason to come forward.

Apart from the denial of victims' human rights, the State's failure to provide a comprehensive statutory regime to protect victims and assist in their recovery from grave human rights abuses may imperil its ability to deal with trafficking. The evidence of the victim is perhaps the most important tool in the State's identification and prosecution of traffickers. We need an explicit framework outlining the protections available to victims, but one underpinned by legislation to ensure no victim falls through the cracks. We need to ensure this framework meets the minimum standards outlined in the Council of Europe convention. To simply state, as is often done, including in the report of the Government's working group, that all is well is to bury our heads in the sand. If we genuinely want to combat trafficking, we need to explore and be frank about the weaknesses and gaps in our system; otherwise, victims will not begin to come forward, trafficking will remain underground and traffickers will continue their ruthless trade with impunity.

That was very useful, particularly given the proposed legislation that is to come before the committee in the near future, especially the Immigration and Residence Bill. I am sure we will hear from Ruhama and Amnesty International on possible amendments on Committee Stage.

I welcome the delegates from Ruhama and Amnesty International. I thank them for and encourage them to continue their work. Having listened to them, I wonder whether we are in denial on this issue? They have used the words "hidden" and "secretive". Obviously, not enough resources are being put into this area. I wonder whether we are in denial, especially when the offical report claims the problem is not widespread, yet the experience of those on the ground is the opposite.

I congratulate RTE on its recent programme and other media outlets which have highlighted the issue. It is summed up in one sentence: "trafficking is a contemporary form of slavery". I am very concerned about the issue and the fact that children are also trafficked for commercial sexual services. Much more needs to be done. What resources are available to Ruhama and Amnesty International to deal with the issue? Are they getting resources from the State? As a start perhaps, they could receive more funding and backup. Perhaps the joint committee could make representations to various Departments and agencies if the delegates identified what they need.

Is it correct to say many of the issues highlighted relate to legislation not yet published, although promised two years ago? We know there is pressure on the Department of Justice, Equality and Law Reform in the amount of legislation brought forward. I do not know whether the joint committee can bring forward legislation in this area but ask that it look at the matter.

The other major issue highlighted by the delegation is the need to criminalise the behaviour of the buyer of sexual services. It has been stated that in Sweden this has had a huge impact. Perhaps this issue should be taken on board when legislation is being drafted. As stated in the last presentation, this might make people think twice about what they are doing in purchasing such services and maintaining the supply.

Deputy Coveney, MEP, has done an amount of work in this area at European level. Ruhama knows 200 women trafficked into Ireland in recent years, yet for each of these Ms Fahy has said there are five or six women in similar circumstances. This means we are talking about 1,000 people in sexual slavery. That is appalling. All we can do is urge the various Departments involved to bring forward legislation and support the agencies as best they can and put resources into the areas of prevention and detection.

I have taken note of what the delegation stated on information technology and that newer forms of communication technology make it more difficult to help people because the problem is even more hidden than in the past.

Given that this is such a huge subject, it is hard to be brief. I appreciate both groups appearing before the joint committee. In many ways Ruhama has the more difficult task. In Ireland we still have a 1940s or 1950s attitude to prostitution. We prefer not to see or deal with the problem. It is fine for the person on the street to say this but it is disturbing to note, following the "Prime Time" programme, that the State agencies which have a responsibility in this matter also have that attitude. Given our new found wealth and the numbers coming to Ireland, we should not be surprised to learn that this is a problem. People will find opportunities in spectacular ways to ensure they will continue to make money from this unsavoury element.

I would be interested to hear Ruhama's opinion of the "Prime Time" programme. I was staggered to learn of the attitude of the authorities towards the problem, that it does not happen because we have not found it. That they had never tried to look for it did not arise. What the Italian Minister had to say was interesting, that one will not find it unless one looks for it and that if one does not look for it, one will not find it. I was baffled that, unlike every other "Prime Time programme" of this nature, there was no follow-up the next day. Joe Duffy's telephone lines did not light up. That tells us that those who use the service were hoping it would not be discussed. Clearly, the women involved, the victims, did not have access and the rest of us were hoping the problem would go away but it will not. Legislation will be required.

Considerable resources are provided to discover container loads of cigarettes and marijuana being smuggled into Ireland but no resources are put into an area in which they would have a direct impact on human beings. It is clear that property and profits are provided with far more protection than individuals. I expected Joe Duffy's telephone lines to be hopping the next day, if only with calls from people like me who were scandalised that this could happen in a country where we all felt we had a degree of protection. That tells us that we want the problem to go away. I would like to hear Ruhama's view of the official response to the programme. I would appreciate, as I am sure all members would, receiving a copy of the contribution made by Amnesty International.

Trafficking appears to be a particular problem. Prostitution is another. The common thread is violence against women in most cases. Does one have to look at trafficking and prostitution as being mutually exclusive, that they have to be tackled separately, or is it possible to have legislation which, effectively, would deal with violence against women, including the issues raised by the Kerry Rape and Sexual Abuse Centre?

Is there a groundswell of support in the other 24 member states for the Swedish model or is there the attitude that this is the oldest profession in the world and that it will always be with us? How can the mindset of the buyers of sexual services be changed to ensure prostitution is looked upon as violence against women in most cases? Ms Fahy stated that some victims have been given leave to remain. Have any victims not been granted leave to remain where such leave has been requested? She mentioned that representatives from Ruhama are currently denied access to women in direct provision. This should be very simple to address and should be addressed immediately. Why are representatives from Ruhama denied access to women in direct provision and how can it be addressed?

I thank the delegation from Ruhama for appearing before the committee. Who funds Ruhama? Is it funded by one Department or agency? Unfortunately, I did not watch the "Prime Time Investigates" programme on sex trafficking but would appreciate if RTE provided a copy of the programme to members who did not get a chance to watch it.

I am interested in the Swedish model of legislation in respect of prostitution and the fact that such a model is recommended by Ruhama. In recommending this model to us, Ruhama will undoubtedly meet resistance. Other commentators may argue that people are entitled to avail of services as long as they are provided in safe settings. I would be interested in discovering why Ruhama favours the Swedish model in particular and I would echo the Chairman's question about trends across Europe in respect of the Swedish model. Why did the Australian model fail in so far as unlicensed brothels were set up and the legislation did not achieve what it set out to achieve?

In respect of immigration screening, the Department of Justice, Equality and Law Reform takes pride in the manner in which the immigration process is undertaken. A considerable number of staff are engaged in this process. How do women who are trafficked to Ireland present themselves at borders? Are they smuggled in? Do they even present themselves at borders? Do they present themselves at borders with certain stories and sucked into prostitution afterwards? Are certain people on the look out for them? I ask these questions because I did not get the opportunity to watch that edition of "Prime Time Investigates".

Sometimes it is a more objective way of asking questions which might elicit more information.

Ms Geraldine Rowley

We will share answers. Some of the questions overlap. For the past six years Ruhama has spoken out about trafficking for the purposes of prostitution. There is no doubt there is a denial about the scale of the problem in Ireland, including denial on the part of authorities. The lack of legislation is proof that we do not see Ireland as a country facing this problem. Even if one woman faced this issue in Ireland, it would be too many.

This denial is compounded by the fact that women who find themselves in prostitution carry a stigma which is often not imaginary. We know that when women disclose their experience of prostitution, they have not been supported or understood. There are many myths about prostitution which compound the problem of women being bought and sold in the sex industry.

That cross-border trafficking involves foreign women who do not know the language of the country they are entering and the services to access further compounds the invisibility of the problem. Our presentation revealed that criminal gangs are involved in this area of the sex industry. All of these factors ensure the area is much more covert, leading to women's invisibility. It is not like street prostitution where women are visible. We believe that where there is a will, there is a way. However, I am not sure the level of political will to bring forward legislation exists in Ireland.

Since the broadcasting of the "Prime Time Investigates" programme on sex trafficking, Ruhama has been inundated with calls. People may not have contacted the press or disclosed their identities but we have never before received such a response and we, therefore, also congratulate the makers of the programme. People from all over the country contacted us. They were shocked and angered to discover that trafficking was taking place throughout the country and were angry at the lack of legislation to deal with it. As Ruhama received many offers of support in terms of finance and volunteers, there is a considerable amount of goodwill towards our organisation. We hope these offers of goodwill can now be put into practice. Denial exists in respect of the problem but could be changed by the baseline of legislation, if nothing else.

Ruhama works with women on an individual basis. All their applications for residency have been viewed by the Department of Justice, Equality and Law Reform on a case-by-case basis. It means that Ruhama undertakes a considerable amount of advocacy work and tries to refer women to solicitors with which it is familiar who would work on their behalf and prepare a very good case for them. We have a number of interpreters who help us get across these women's stories. We carry out a considerable amount of advocacy work in respect of each case.

Some women's cases go as far as deportation and a considerable amount of work goes into securing protection for women in this country. To date, no woman with whom we have worked has been deported. However, we must put a considerable amount of work into each case. Women are often offered the option of repatriation very quickly. At times, we have been slightly concerned that while certain women chose repatriation, we are unsure as to whether they were aware of all their options and whether they realised the level of danger they were in, even if they returned to their home countries. This is why we advocate a model similar to that used in Italy, where the woman, after going through such a traumatic experience, is given time to reflect and various choices. Our entire system is ad hoc and if legislation were introduced, it could become much more structured. We also would be able to inform the women with whom we work about the process in which they will participate if they access our services or contact the Garda Síochána.

People may have received the impression from "Prime Time Investigates" that there are no services available. While there are no structured services and matters are conducted on an ad hoc basis, there are many sympathetic professionals in Ireland. Many of the women with whom we deal receive support from different services but it takes a considerable amount of work and the system is inadequately organised to meet the need. Ms Fahy will now address the Swedish model.

Ms Fahy

We must understand that the Swedish model did not appear overnight. A massive public awareness campaign about violence against women and human rights was conducted over two decades. Sweden also possessed a large proportion of female parliamentarians who acted as an effective lobby and pushed the issue. The model is built on the twin pillars of violence against women and human rights. Everything hangs on these two pillars, which is why we argue that if we manage to adopt this approach, we can dispense with some of the arguments around choice and other matters. The Swedish position, with which we agree, posits that prostitution is an abuse of the woman involved in it. We have issues about free choice. How free is this choice? What is the level of choice involved? What is the array of possibilities and options open to the person who becomes involved in prostitution?

Members inquired about the position in other countries. It is true that a number of countries, namely, Germany, the Netherlands and Australia, have taken the legalisation route. I recall reading an article which stated Germany was trying to unionise sex workers. However, the response, despite the legalisation of prostitution, has been poor because it is not easy to remove the stigma attaching to it and the invisibility remains. For these reasons, women did not come forward.

I stated that there has been an increase of unlicensed brothels, etc., in Australia. This is also true of the Netherlands. The legalisation of prostitution turns pimps into businessmen. Those who become involved in this business are not the most upright citizens and, as such, wish to avoid taxation, make more profits than would otherwise be possible and so on. These are some of the factors that would feed into the scenario surrounding the legislation of prostitution.

I have read reports, which I believe are erroneous, that Swedes regularly cross the border to neighbouring countries in search of sexual services. Many believe this is an argument thrown out by those advocating the legalisation approach. All reports from the Swedish Government strongly indicate that it has been successful in its endeavour. Its radars are clued in to trafficking and it is watchful of it.

Ms Rowley

Finland is currently studying the Swedish model of legislation. Sweden was pioneering in this move but other countries in Europe are now considering it. As a result of the influx of thousands of women into the red-light districts in Amsterdam as a result of trafficking, the Netherlands is reconsidering its legislation. While people believed that the introduction of this legislation would grant freedom and rights to women, it now appears that legalising this industry gives dignity to it and those who exploit it. From our experience, such action does not reduce the harm or violence involved. We have met pimps who are now multimillionaires as a result of their involvement in prostitution. It is difficult, if not impossible, to meet a woman in prostitution who is a multimillionaire. Issues of inequality and exploitation also arise. We would not advocate going down the road of legalising prostitution.

We spoke earlier about legislation. It was mentioned earlier that many people view prostitution in Ireland today as similar to that which obtained in the 1940s or 1950s. As indicated earlier, it is a sophisticated, multimillion euro industry. Current legislation on prostitution, the Sexual Offences Act 1993, is not adequate to address today's problems. We believe that while there have not been many convictions — again, this could send out the message that there is not a problem — the legislation regarding pimping, as a result of modern technology and the trafficking aspect, is not adequate. Thus, the Garda Síochána is not equipped to deal with this matter. In addition, traffickers and pimps are shrewd operators who will search throughout Europe for the easiest location in which to establish their operations. Our lack of legislation in this area sends them the message that Ireland is one of the easiest places to do so. Countries such as Sweden have sent out the message that buying sex is a form of violence and will not be tolerated. We need to consider the messages we send out. Perhaps we could examine the wonderful legislation that introduced the smoking ban. Not only did the latter introduce enforcement in respect of behaviour, it also sent out a message regarding people's health.

Would Ms Crowley like to respond?

Ms Crowley

I wish first to apologise to Deputy Lynch and others for not supplying copies of my presentation. As there was some confusion regarding dates, I did not have an opportunity do so. However, I have amended my notes while speaking and will forward a copy of them to the committee.

On NGO funding, Amnesty International neither seeks or accepts Government funding and is not in the business of providing a service to victims of trafficking or other violations. Amnesty is disappointed with the level of funding to all community and voluntary services meeting the needs of victims of violence, in particular, as referred to earlier by the Open Door Network, trafficked women and those working in prostitution, an issue of broad concern to Amnesty.

On the over-burdened Department of Justice, Equality and Law Reform legislative agenda, we believe that where there is the political will to enact legislation, it is enacted. One need only look at the rapidity with which the Immigration Act 2004 was passed — this happened in a matter of weeks — to see that where the interests of the State are at issue, legislation will be swiftly enacted.

On the public reaction to "Prime Time", Amnesty International also received a large number of calls from concerned members of the public who were outraged and, interestingly, determined to use their electoral voice on this issue and who wanted to know what they could do about it. That documentary and the reaction to it highlights the potency of the media in terms of what can happen in galvanising public opinion around an issue that does not often have the spotlight shone on it in a sensitive and comprehensive fashion.

On leave to remain, Amnesty believes that while the provision of permission to remain on humanitarian grounds may offer some recourse to victims of trafficking, it is, in practice, a flawed system that lacks transparency and a formal appeals system. Furthermore, it only operates where a person has been informed of the State's intention to deport. We need specific and expressed provisions for victims of trafficking if they are not to fear deportation as a reason for not coming forward.

I thank Ms Fahy and Ms Rowley from Ruhama and Ms Crowley from Amnesty International for attending. The joint committee will meet two other groups, namely, the Inter-Congregational Ad hoc Working Group on Trafficking and the Irish Observatory of Violence Against Women — the European women's lobby — on Thursday morning. Following that meeting, the joint committee will draft a briefing for submission to the Minister to see what action can be taken on this issue and recommending various actions as raised here today.

It is important that Ms Crowley furnish members with a copy of her presentation before the committee finalises its brief.

Ms Crowley

I will forward it to the committee tomorrow.

Ms Crowley may e-mail her presentation to the committee secretariat for circulation to members.

The joint committee will meet tomorrow with the Minister for Justice, Equality and Law Reform, Deputy McDowell, to consider a motion on simplifying the exchange of information between law enforcement agencies of the member states.

The joint committee adjourned at 4.10 p.m. until 9.30 a.m. on Wednesday, 24 May 2006.

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