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Joint Committee on the Implementation of the Good Friday Agreement díospóireacht -
Thursday, 27 Apr 2023

Shared Island Unit: Engagement with Department of the Taoiseach

Apologies have been received from Senator Currie and Mr. Mickey Brady, MP.

On behalf of our committee I welcome Ms Aingeal O'Donoghue, assistant secretary, and Mr. Eoghan Duffy, principal officer, from the Department of the Taoiseach to discuss the work of the shared island unit.

Before we begin, I will explain some limitations to parliamentary privilege and the practices of the Houses regarding references witnesses may make to other persons in their evidence. The evidence of witnesses present or who give evidence from within the parliamentary precincts is protected, pursuant to both the Constitution and statute, by absolute privilege. However, witnesses and participants who give evidence from a location outside the parliamentary precincts are asked to note that they may not benefit from the same level of immunity from legal proceedings as a witness giving evidence from within those precincts, and they may consider it appropriate to take legal advice on this matter.

Witnesses are also asked to note that only evidence connected with the subject matter should be given. They should respect directions and the parliamentary practice to the effect that, where possible, they should not criticise or make charges against any person, persons or entity by name or in such a way as to make him, her or it identifiable, or otherwise engage in speech that might be regarded as damaging to a person or entity's good name.

Members are reminded of the long-standing parliamentary practice to the effect that they should not comment on, criticise or make charges against a person outside the Houses or an official either by name or in such a way as to make him or her identifiable.

I call Ms O’Donoghue to make her opening statement. I thank her again for coming.

Ms Aingeal O’Donoghue

I thank the Chair very much. I wish everyone a good afternoon. It is great to have this opportunity. This is actually the first time I have been here in person. We have held a couple of these meetings virtually and this is the first time it has been in person. It is great to be here to have the opportunity to brief members on the Government's shared island initiative. I am joined by my colleague, Mr. Duffy.

As the committee is aware, the programme for Government set out a series of objectives on shared island and a commitment to engage with all communities and political traditions to build consensus around a shared future, underpinned by the Good Friday Agreement.

There are three main elements in how we have taken forward the shared island initiative. First, we have been making progress on long-standing and new cross-Border investments, supported by the shared island fund and other sources. Second, we have been engaging with all communities through a comprehensive dialogue series on how we could better share the island into the future. Third, we have commissioned and published research to help deepen our understanding of the whole island in economic, social, cultural and political terms. This is working in an sustained, ambitious and comprehensive way to realise the full potential of the Good Friday Agreement and deepen co-operation and societal connections around the island.

Clearly, the continuing absence of the Executive in Northern Ireland and, therefore, the inability of the North-South Ministerial Council to meet impacts what can be done through the institutions of the agreement at present and impacts on the overall context for all-island co-operation and interaction.

Nevertheless, over the past two and half years, we have been able to make significant progress with the Government’s all-island investment and co-operation objectives. Importantly also, there has been a good, encouraging level of engagement from civic stakeholders, North and South, and across different communities. One of our key objectives is to build and expand on this in the time ahead.

The committee’s engagement on the shared island initiative, including through formal meetings here and participation in our events, which the Chair and other members have attended, is an important contribution. I will also take a moment to compliment the committee on its extensive work on the 25th anniversary of the Good Friday Agreement and on its wider interaction and support for all-island co-operation and the relationships of the agreement.

While I will not necessarily read out every word of the delivered written statement, I will perhaps briefly go through some of the highlights of each of these main areas, the first of which is around building a shared island. The Government has so far allocated €191 million from the shared island fund to make progress with long-standing cross-Border infrastructure projects and new initiatives to invest for a more connected, sustainable and prosperous island for all communities. It is important, and I have said this before, that the shared island initiative is a whole-of-government initiative. While the unit is located in the Department of the Taoiseach, we work very closely with all Departments. Allocations from the fund are made by the Government and then the projects are taken forward by the relevant Ministers and their Departments, working, of course, through all-island partnerships with counterparts in Northern Ireland, the British Government and local authorities and civil society organisations. As part of the advance briefing, we have provided a detailed table of all the allocations under the fund.

I will highlight a few of the key themes. First, under the landmark cross-Border infrastructure projects, €47 million has been committed from the shared island fund to enable delivery of phases 2 and 3 of the Ulster Canal as a major recreation and sustainable tourism asset in the central Border region. Following a long hiatus, which the Chair and I have spoken about many times, work has resumed on the Narrow Water Bridge, with the fund providing €3 million to Louth County Council to bring the project back to the development phase. Last week, on 21 April, the council issued the formal tenders for the project. This is a major landmark. I appreciate the support of many of the local representatives, including the Chair, for the project.

A second important theme has been all-island research, development and innovation. This includes a €50 million contribution to the North-South research programme administered by the Higher Education Authority, HEA. Under the first round last year, awards amounting to €37.5 million were made to 62 cross-Border research partnerships. There has also been a contribution to new all-island co-centres for research and innovation, the development of which has been led by Science Foundation Ireland, SFI. The two new co-centres will focus on climate and food sustainability. This is a really good example of the type of model we want to develop. The co-centres were funded with €20 million from the shared island fund, another €20 million from the Department of Further and Higher Education, Research, Innovation and Science and complementary funding from the Northern Ireland Department of Agriculture, Environment and Rural Affairs and from the British Government through UK Research and Innovation. It is a good example of a North-South and east-west collaboration to address key challenges for the island.

The third theme is supporting economic development in the Border region. The Narrow Water Bridge and Ulster Canal projects play a role in this. We have also been able to fund a new initiative on collaboration in branding and marketing between the Wild Atlantic Way and the Causeway Coastal Route. We have committed to funding a cross-Border innovation hub in the north west, with locations in Letterkenny and Derry. There is also the shared island local authority development scheme, which is not confined to the Border area but has supported a lot of local authority collaborations in the region. In total, the scheme has funded 25 investment proposals whereby local authorities come together to do the preliminary feasibility and development work. That collaboration will be important as we see those projects coming out the other end.

Climate action, inevitably, is a key theme of all our engagements. It often comes out as a common strategic challenge for the whole island. We have allocated €3 million for the shared island dimension of the Government's community climate action scheme. We have also allocated €15 million for an all-island electric vehicle charging initiative, which is being run by the Department of Transport via sports clubs. This scheme provides publicly accessible electric vehicle charging points located at sports clubs. We are doing it through the sports bodies because almost all of them have an all-island mandate and reach. We are also engaged in work on biodiversity and peatland restoration.

Another area of our work relates to arts, culture and heritage. A number of interesting arts projects are supported by good co-operation between the two arts councils. We have funded a shared island dimension to the Government’s flagship Creative Ireland programme for 2023 to 2027. In January, the Tánaiste and Minister for Foreign Affairs commenced a new shared island civic society funding scheme, with resourcing of up to €3 million over three years to support civic organisations in working together on a cross-Border basis. We see this as important in supporting and deepening societal connections.

The Taoiseach has been clear that the Government intends to undertake significantly more all-island investment. Our preferred approach is to do this in co-operation with a new Northern Ireland Executive and with the British Government, but we will also do so in collaboration with other partners, as appropriate. A lot of our work at the moment, which we do in collaboration with Departments and Northern Ireland partners, involves identifying and developing a pipeline of future investment projects. We are looking at areas like higher education, education attainment, the enterprise sector, supporting the bio-economy and provision of cross-Border greenways.

Another area of our work is the research programme, the purpose of which is to provide a stronger evidence base and analysis for the whole island in economic, social, environmental and cultural terms. We are working in partnership on this with the Economic and Social Research Institute, ESRI, the Irish Research Council, the National Economic and Social Council, NESC, and other partners. There have been more than 20 reports published in the first two years of the programme. It is an ongoing partnership, with further reports to be published in 2023, mainly in the second half of the year. We see these research outputs contributing to the development of a more ambitious agenda for all-island co-operation and to wider discussions on how we can share the island. Research has been undertaken on maximising foreign direct investment for the whole island, the services economy and productivity on the island. We have also been looking at migrant experiences and the circular economy.

A key area of work has focused on educational systems and outcomes. I compliment the Oireachtas Joint Committee on Education, Further and Higher Education, Research, Innovation and Science on its report on North-South student enrolments. This is an important aspect of our work. We take a systemic approach to developing research but we also encourage Departments, for example, to commission their own work. It is great to see research coming through from the Oireachtas by way of committee work. Doing the research is great and it informs our work and the dialogues. Part of what we are trying to do is to get our message out there, as well as the results and outputs. We do a lot of work partnering with the research bodies, launching events, engaging with civic society, academia and media, and providing briefings for political representatives and Departments, both North and South.

Last but certainly not least is the shared island dialogue series with all communities on the island. This is central to the approach of the shared island initiative. Over the past two years, we have had 14 dialogue events, with the participation of more than 2,500 citizens and civic representatives, to discuss how co-operation and interaction can help to address common challenges, to build relationships and to look at concerns for the future on the island. The initial phase of this engagement was all online. It is very welcome that we have been able to progress to in-person meetings. The events are not just about formal dialogue but also the building of relationships during the events themselves. The dialogues have focused on sectoral areas like healthcare, tourism and community development, as well as on wider societal issues such as equality, tackling gender-based violence and the issue of identities on the island of Ireland. We have held two of these dialogues in Northern Ireland, one in Belfast on culture and the other in Derry on identities on the island. They were both very well received and attended. It is positive that we are able to spread the reach of the dialogues right across the island. We have been struck by the positive interaction at the dialogues and the real and meaningful engagement from all communities and traditions. As we set out at the beginning of the initiative, the inclusion of underrepresented voices, particularly those of women, young people and ethnic minority communities, continues to be a priority. The breadth of experiences that are brought to bear on the dialogues adds a lot to the richness of the discussions.

A clear message we get from these engagements is that there a good deal of interest and support from civic society for working across the board for stronger cross-Border and cross-community interactions. The dialogues are also important in informing how the shared island initiative is developed and progressed. For instance, they have influenced the introduction of both the shared island civic society fund and the shared island dimension of the community climate action scheme.

The dialogues have also led to new civil society-led projects, notably the all-island women’s forum of the National Women’s Council of Ireland and the iCommunity Shared Practice Hub project of The Wheel and the Northern Ireland Council for Voluntary Action, NICVA.

Looking to the future, we surveyed participants in January on how the dialogues could be continued and improved. Taking on board that feedback, we are now developing a refreshed programme which is aiming at more open and free-flowing discussions, that is aided anyway by being able to meet in person, and looking at the more intrinsic societal and sectoral concerns for the future of the island.

We held a first event on Monday of this week on the topic of media representation on the island of Ireland. The dialogue explored the successes and shortcomings of media representation on the island, how different communities, regions, and political and social issues are presented in media, and how this influences political and public debates. There was also a session looking at the media sector across the island and the scope for the development of deeper cross-Border networks and collaboration in news and other media.

Further dialogues are in preparation and we are looking at developing a more focused youth strand to the dialogues, because we have found there is a huge amount of interest, energy and ideas coming from young people and we want to try to tap into that. We will be convening further dialogues and the programme will be developed. We will keep the committee informed as that happens throughout this year and into 2024.

I am conscious I have addressed the committee before so I do not need to go over old ground. I wanted to focus on the progress since we last met. Since that time the then Taoiseach, Deputy Micheál Martin, also did a session with the committee. I very much appreciate the opportunity to update the committee.

Anywhere I have been, particularly in the North and meeting people from the North, I have heard nothing but praise for the work you are doing, the initiatives being carried out and the progress being made, which is very welcome indeed. I call members to ask questions.

I welcome the witnesses here today. I commend the work of the shared island unit thus far. The initiatives that have been outlined are very welcome and very successful. Many projects have been funded and progressed. The research that has been carried out has proven to very informative and the inclusive dialogue that is being enabled is extremely important. The shared island initiative committed to focus on the challenges of the north west and the Border communities to achieve greater connectivity on the island and enhancing the all-island economy and all aspects of North South co-operation.

The Irish Business and Employers Confederation, IBEC, recently published a paper dealing with the development of the all-Ireland economy. This reflected the growth of the economy from the Good Friday Agreement to 2016 and Brexit and beyond. It seems clear, post Brexit, that the growth has accelerated. IBEC called for the Irish Government and the Executive in the North to move to the next stage and plan the growth of the all-Ireland economy. Thus far it seems to have spontaneously developed but planning is needed. Has Ms O'Donoghue met IBEC or will she be meeting it to discuss the report, in particular the suggestion for planning for growth? What arrangements can be put in place with IBEC and its northern counterpart to plan the growth of the economy, especially in the absence of an Executive?

Regarding North-South connectivity, Ms O'Donoghue stated her support for the long-overdue A5 corridor linking up with the N2 on the southern side. With this in mind, there is no financial commitment from the shared initiative to fund the A5 or the N2. The completion of this project would transform life for those living in the region but it is not mentioned in the 2022 report. On the southern side, I attended a meeting of Monaghan County Council recently and it is quite concerned about the project. It has two sections: Clontibret to the Border and Castleblayney to Ardee. Significant investment would have been put into the design stages of those two sections and that has been spent to date, but now there is no security of funding to move it forward. It is time sensitive because the design standards change and the surveys will date as well. Will Ms O'Donoghue comment on any support for progressing the A5-N2 project?

Ms Aingeal O’Donoghue

I will start with the A5 project. The Government sees this as a key piece of infrastructure for the north west. That has always been the rationale behind the support for the A5 and the Irish Government remains wholly committed to it. It was in the New Decade, New Approach agreement and in the revised national development plan, NDP. When we talked about connectedness on the island, we gave particular priority to the A5. As the Deputy well knows, it has been mired in a range of planning and legal processes for more than ten years now. As I understand it, there is some progress in that the planning inquiry is due to resume on 15 May. However, I do not have a line of sight on when the inquiry will come out with its report. The commitment is there, and as the Taoiseach put it recently, once we can see the pathway to the actual delivery of the A5, we can then engage on the funding commitments, but it is simply not feasible at this point without knowing that the project is cleared to go ahead. It becomes very difficult for us to put figures on support at this point. We remain in close contact with our northern colleagues in the Department for Infrastructure. We continue to follow the project development and there is an overarching commitment to it. However, there is a timing question about when a figure would be put on that. That timing is out of our hands because it is in the hands of the processes in Northern Ireland. I will have to come back to the Deputy on the pieces on our side of the Border. There have been discussions about it with our Department of Transport.

Regarding the all-Ireland economy more broadly, we work very closely with IBEC and we have frequent meetings. We find IBEC's reports to be very helpful. The voice of business was probably one of the very first voices to speak about the importance of co-operation on the island, going way back. While we continue to work with IBEC in terms of its proposals, planning for more planned growth is where you come up against, to a certain extent, the absence of the Northern Ireland Executive. There are certain things we can do and we are focusing on areas such as skills and innovation and looking at developing an enterprise proposal around the shared island initiative, which are all part of the work. To a certain extent, planning for growth has to involve the Executive on the other side as well.

The other point is that, as we all know, the way trade operates on the island is not just about exports and imports but also about supply chains and companies that operate on both sides of the island. We have also seen a very significant increase in all-island trade since Brexit. We would feel that with the Windsor Framework now in place and, we hope, a clear and certain path for Northern Ireland business, that would contribute to new investment into Northern Ireland. It is also an opportunity for the SME sector in Northern Ireland to trade on the island using its advantages under the Windsor Framework. There are a number of strands to it.

Mr. Eoghan Duffy

Regarding planning a slightly broader level, there is the national development plan for the Government here. There is a shared island chapter to that which sets out objectives for investment for the next ten years across virtually all sectors of the economy. A lot of work was done across Departments to prepare that and to think about what would work best from the Northern Ireland Executive perspective. Similarly, on the Northern Ireland side there is the draft investment strategy for Northern Ireland which extends out for ten years.

There are high-level plans and investment objectives on both sides for Departments, North and South, to come together and work on, and we are certainly encouraging them to do that.

I thank Ms O’Donoghue and Mr. Duffy and it is very good to have them in. I welcome and appreciate these regular engagements with the unit. Even in the short number of engagements we have had, we can see that we have gone from the kind of aspirational stuff at the start to now having more practical things on paper, which is very encouraging and worth noting.

I have a few follow-up questions. It was very good news about the Narrow Water bridge. Is there a projected timeline in terms of delivery and, not least, the work starting? The report mentions the €7.6 million to the Wild Atlantic Way and Causeway Coastal Route brand collaboration. That is something I have been a long time calling for and, even with the absence of the Executive, it is great to see it going ahead. Can the witnesses give me some examples of where that is manifest and how it looks in a practical way?

I have two questions. The first is on the issue of the all-Ireland rail review. I am a bit disappointed that it is not included in the report or at least I cannot see it. I welcome the fact there has been some public commentary that the Government is considering going ahead with publishing the findings of that review, and I think it is important that it would do that. Again, given Ms O'Donoghue's reference to the A5 in terms of the funding allocation and things like that, I do not think there is this same kind of restriction on publishing the findings of that review, which would help to inform and benefit the unit’s work going forward.

On the other issue, I remember Ms O’Donoghue had spoken at our previous meeting about education being a key priority for the unit, and the Minister, Deputy Harris, at the time was really invested in the issue of Ulster University Magee. Again, I do not see Magee referenced so I wonder if Ms O'Donoghue could give us an update on that.

To have the 25 investment proposals at local government level is very encouraging and worthwhile. Is consideration being given, for the period post the election in the North in May, to just re-engaging with what is potentially a new tranche of councillors across the Six Counties to make them aware, both at corporate level in local government but also at that political level, of this work? I think it is something that many councils and councillors would be willing to engage in.

On a final point, I have followed the recent dialogue in the media with interest because I think the media has been an example of where we have not matured on the island. The media have been facing away from each other, North and South, so it is great to see that reorientation and I hope there is more of that going forward. I ask Ms O’Donoghue if consideration is being given to following up on that and what that might look like specifically on that issue of the media going forward.

Ms Aingeal O’Donoghue

I will share these questions with Mr. Duffy. I will deal with the Narrow Water bridge and the strategic rail review. The Narrow Water bridge went out to tender on 21 April. It is a tendering process until 6 October, which might seem long but it is a huge project and very complex. What is useful to know is that, as part of the framework for capital investment, a suitability assessment on tenderers had to be done in advance. The tender has gone out to five companies that have qualified under the capital programme suitability assessment, so that is good and the fact there are five viable potential tenderers is also very good. We are due to get responses to the tender process by the deadline of 6 October. There will then be an assessment and we will have to update the business case in light of the tender - on the actual figures - and then the plan would be to go back to Government. I am a bit hesitant to give too much of a timeline but, clearly, we are into the latter half of this year, or into the last quarter of this year. I think the process is going as well as it can at the moment.

Has the planning been sorted out yet?

Ms Aingeal O’Donoghue

Planning permission was already in place.

So it is the same.

Ms Aingeal O’Donoghue

It is the same. A key decision that had to be made early on was not to go back and redesign because then we would have to go and get new planning. There are various pieces that continue to be worked on. We have a sort of strategic oversight group involving the Departments, North and South, because there are bits about connectivity and so on.

I will move on to the strategic rail review. Again, what is very good about the strategic rail review is that it was a joint exercise by the two Departments, North and South. They have a shared high-level steering group, and that met last week and approved the report at official level. However, there is another step that appears, which is that there needs to be a strategic environmental assessment done on the report, so that is what is happening at the moment. They have gone out to tender to look for somebody to do an all-island strategic environmental assessment and then, as part of that, there would be a public consultation. At that point, we will get a lot more insight in public into what is in the report. Clearly, again, the absence of an Executive in Northern Ireland has made it a bit more complicated around publishing the report but we are very keen to find ways to get it out there. That strategic environmental assessment is part of what needs to be done beforehand anyway.

On education and the north west, we have extensive ongoing engagement with Magee, with what is now the Atlantic Technological University, in particular Letterkenny, and with the Department for the Economy in Northern Ireland. We are working through quite specific proposals with them but it would be premature for me to go into detail. I would say to the Senator on that commitment in New Decade, New Approach, NDNA, that we have been able to move on some of the others like the Ulster Canal and the Narrow Water bridge, and that is the kind of priority one we really want to see moving. Hopefully, we will be able to come back to that.

Mr. Duffy will deal with the Wild Atlantic Way and local government.

Mr. Eoghan Duffy

The shared island fund project is, as the Senator said, for €7.6 million and is being taken forward by the Department of Tourism, Culture, Arts, Gaeltacht, Sport and Media. There is a project team which involves the three tourism agencies and is chaired by that Department. That is a three-year plan and probably beyond. The kinds of things that it is going to involve will be looking at ways to align and have the signage on the Wild Atlantic Way in the region and on the Causeway Coastal Route referring to each other, so there is more consistency and linkages between them and they are not literally pointing in different directions. There is also the international marketing of the whole region, bringing the two together rather than having them separate, and also, at the sectoral operational level, looking at cross-promotional content online and online booking facilities, so people are getting offers for the whole region rather than on a segmented basis.

These are the kinds of things that the agencies are going to work on. What the shared island funding does is it allows them to do this work on an integrated basis. They have their funding to do these things separately but this is funding specifically for them to do it on a collaborative basis, and that is why we get the kind of output we would not otherwise get. That is starting now and will be moving forward over the next number of years.

On the local authorities scheme, we have had a number of really good engagements with councils at political level across the North and we would be keen to keep doing that, particularly after the elections in the next few weeks. That has been very helpful for us in terms of hearing what councillors’ and councils’ interests are on the shared island and how this is understood, and also communicating it at a community level to say that there are these different schemes. The councillors are very well placed to make those connections for our Departments and for the schemes directly, so we are keen to do that.

On the media dialogue, first, there is a report and a video summary of the discussions on Monday, which were really thought-provoking, both in general terms and also in regard to sectoral issues. Second, as was discussed on Monday, the Media Commission is due to conduct research on media in cross-Border terms, so it will certainly feed into that, we hope. There were a number of ideas and suggestions so we will bring those through in the report and see how they can be taken forward. That is the plan for that.

I thank the witnesses.

First, I wholeheartedly welcome the progress report given to us by Ms O'Donoghue and commend her, Mr. Duffy and all their colleagues in the shared island unit on the great work done in a very short period of time.

In the first engagement I had with the unit, I emphasised the need to engage with local authorities and highlighted that there was a huge amount of corporate memory, knowledge and experience there. The unit has done that exceptionally well. Local authorities, both at elected and official levels, are very pleased with the engagement. It is adding to the quality of the product and the projects that will be progressed. In her opening remarks, Ms O'Donoghue stated that the broad remit of the shared island unit includes "a commitment to engage with all communities and political traditions to build consensus around a shared future, underpinned by the Good Friday Agreement." That is exceptionally important and covers so many areas where we all want to see progress.

I very much welcome the fact that substantial funding has provided for the Ulster Canal project. I see that project progress regularly as I go through my constituency. It has great potential for Cavan-Monaghan and the Northern counties, including County Armagh. It follows on from the very successful restoration of the former Ballinamore-Ballyconnell Canal, which is now the Shannon-Erne Waterway, in the early 1990s. That was done at a time when the political dispensation on this island was anything but hospitable or friendly. It was done in a very difficult time and it has been a powerful success for counties Fermanagh, Cavan and Leitrim in particular, and further south as well. I look forward to the Ulster Canal bringing the same benefits to the south of Ulster and all of Ulster. I know the Narrow Water bridge project is one that our colleagues, including the Cathaoirleach, Senator McGreehan and others, have championed. It is great to see that work under way.

Representatives of the All-Island Cancer Research Institute, AICRI, appeared before the committee and were very complimentary of what the funding provided has enabled the institute to do. We very much appreciate that work. When I met some of them individually last week in Queen's University Belfast they were very complimentary of the shared island unit and the funding that has been made available to the institute.

Turning to the assistance that has been given to local authorities to prepare plans through the local authority development funding scheme, I was at the launch of the scheme by the then Taoiseach, the Tánaiste, in Cavan. It was so heartening to see people from all political traditions there. They could not get into the photographs and make announcements quickly enough. The mood and the whole message at the event were that local authorities want more of this funding. It was very heartening to see that. One of the projects mentioned by local authorities in Cavan-Monaghan and some of our neighbouring local authorities north of the Border was on the enterprise side. I think I mentioned previously the difficulties for local authorities in preparing suitable sites to locate enterprise centres. Funding is available through Enterprise Ireland and the Department of Enterprise, Trade and Employment for the construction of enterprise centres, but the services and suitable infrastructure must be in place. If a particular emphasis can be placed on the possible support for enterprise centres, which are particularly important in the less economically developed areas like the Border counties, both North and South, it would be very advantageous for us going forward.

I have mentioned further education in the past. I believe it is a great enabler. It creates so many opportunities for progression into higher education for people who may leave secondary school without the best leaving certificate results or who have not had the opportunity to complete second level education. I think an all-Ireland dimension to our further education sector would be very beneficial.

I have a few questions. Are the shared island civic fund and the local authority development fund scheme the only two projects with a current spending source that are funded? I understand that most of the shared island funding has to go to capital projects, and I agree with that. Perhaps Ms O'Donoghue can confirm that remains the case. Are sports facilities still excluded from possible shared island funding? Again, what has been achieved is most welcome and we look forward to further progress being made. What has been done in a very short timeframe is an example to other elements of the public service in how to deliver and move projects on much quicker than often happens, unfortunately.

Ms Aingeal O’Donoghue

I thank Deputy Smith for his feedback on our engagement with local authorities. It has been an important part of our work and it has been led by Mr. Duffy. It is really good to hear the positive feedback. I take the Deputy's point about the enterprise projects that are within the local authority development fund scheme. Those projects have not come through to us yet. We want to see that pipeline coming through, and then we will have to look at how the next phase will be funded. We are also having discussions with Enterprise Ireland, InterTradeIreland and Invest Northern Ireland around what more can be done in the enterprise area. It is certainly something that we want to see developing.

The Ulster Canal project is great. It is a project where we can see actual diggers on the ground doing things. I also think it is important that it is a project being delivered by one of the North-South bodies, Waterways Ireland. To go back to my opening remarks, what we are missing in this picture is the North-South Ministerial Council because it cannot meet at the moment. Even when the Executive was in place, there was very limited engagement with it from some of the Ministers. It is good to see one of these major projects being delivered by Waterways Ireland, a North-South body. Tourism Ireland is centrally involved in the project that Mr. Duffy was just talking about between the Wild Atlantic Way and the Causeway Coastal Route. As I mentioned, hopefully InterTradeIreland can be part of a project in the enterprise area. I think there is a piece in this about using this period, even when the North-South Ministerial Council is not meeting, to support that aspect of the agreement and, in particular, the North-South bodies.

I agree with the Deputy's point on the AICRI. I think there can sometimes be a feeling that the research of the North-South research programme is a bit esoteric and up there, so it is very good to hear the Deputy's comments. Indeed, there are a number of cancer projects that have been funded through the North-South research programme. There is a really interesting project about the Atlantic coast, essentially led by University of Ulster Magee Campus and NUI Galway, running all the way down to Limerick. I think we will start to see more and more of that coming through, but the cancer piece is very important.

I also agree with the Deputy on further education. In fact, when I answered Senator Ó Donnghaile, I should have added that there is engagement from the further education institutions in there as well. Interestingly, to knit across with the research, one of the points highlighted by the ESRI in its report on education systems was the importance of further education on the island, in particular as we look at improving educational attainment and achievement, which is a particular challenge in Northern Ireland. Further education has a real role to play there. The report highlighted that this would be a place where the two systems could look at countering educational disadvantage. I very much accept the Deputy's point.

On capital and current funding, the shared island fund is a capital fund. We have tried to be creative with it, if I could use that word. For example, with the local authority development fund, ultimately, most of the projects would be capital projects. We just have to be quite careful on that. One of the mechanisms we have used in the absence of the Executive is looking at schemes that are currently in place in this jurisdiction, and whether there are ways that we can roll them out on an all-island basis, such as the Creative Ireland programme and the community climate action programme. They are probably a little bit on the border between capital and current funded projects, but we are trying to keep them capital funded. The whole point about keeping the shared island fund in capital funding is to create a significant impact. Perhaps Mr. Duffy wants to add to that, because he is very across the work on the funds.

Mr. Eoghan Duffy

I do not have much to add but on the Deputy's question on sport-----

Ms Aingeal O’Donoghue

Sorry, I forgot about the question on sport.

Mr. Eoghan Duffy

-----there was dialogue on sport with the then Minister of State with responsibility for sport in January 2022. Obviously, there are schemes for capital investment in sport North and South that the Government and the Executive run. They are the major way of investing in sport. One of the things that came out in the dialogue, and is included in the action plan for sport, is the need to get the sports bodies and agencies, including Sport Ireland and Sport Northern Ireland, to see how they can do more together. They already work together but we want to see how they can do more. The two sports agencies are working on that and are to come back to us with something.

There was a specific theme as part of that on sport and a number of proposals have come through from sports organisations. They are bringing sports clubs and organisations together to do things on an all-island basis. There are different ways in which it is being brought through.

Ms Aingeal O’Donoghue

One of the important things when we were developing and rolling out the shared island fund concept was that this cannot become the replacement for other funding arrangements. It is important this be added value. There has been a bit of people coming to us with things that really belong in line Departments. We have to be careful about that boundary.

I thank the witnesses for being here. It is great to get sight of the work they do, not just the projects but also the research. I am sick to my teeth hearing there is no planning going on in this country about how we share this island. I am delighted there are 20 reports out there already. I look forward to many more coming on board. Without that research, conversations are a waste of time. The shared island unit is the only organisation doing the research that will be fruitful and meaningful. Keep at it.

The strategic rail review was initially announced by the southern Minister. I was heavily involved in getting the northern Minister included in it. I spoke to the Minister, Deputy Ryan, in the Seanad about six weeks ago. I suggested he move back to an individual announcement and, to do that, go to Northern Ireland, meet the political parties and take their comments on board. If he waits much longer, we certainly will not see a line delivered anywhere during the term of this Government. Time is of the essence and we need to get on with it. I do not think the main parties in Northern Ireland would have any issue with being consulted and their requests being made part of that announcement.

On education in the north west, uniquely we have two heads of colleges in Malachy O'Neill, provost in Magee, and Paul Hannigan in Letterkenny who collaborate extremely well. It is important to make hay when the sun shines because it is not always that you get two people who work so well together. The north west can be a showpiece for others to follow. I hope we give all the support we can to the projects in the pipeline.

On the Wild Atlantic Way, I was heavily involved with my father in delivering the peninsula-hopping project in Donegal, which was two car ferries and a bridge which opened up the whole coastline for Donegal tourism. One of those is a cross-Border ferry. It is small in stature and, if we get the kind of numbers we should get, it will be insufficient. The shared island unit could look at that for the development of tourism in the northwest.

Returning to education, the International Fund for Ireland had a group in yesterday from two schools, which a number of us met, one in Northern Ireland and the other in the south from Milford in Donegal. They are doing a collaborative project together. We cannot do enough of this. The International Fund for Ireland did something similar in the past. Jackie Redpath has spoken about it. He took students from the peace lines in Belfast to eastern European countries and maybe America as well. There is scope for more of what we saw yesterday where schools are collaborating for a swap of kids to open their eyes to what is happening elsewhere, taking them out of the environment they live in and showing them how other environments work. They do not know enough about each other North and South, particularly kids. They are at that age when their minds are open. We should look hard at development projects in that area.

At the start of the shared island unit, I had a Commencement matter, because I am very interested in this area, on having a BT young scientist-style project for the shared island unit where children from all over the island would think about the future, about Ireland and about how we would navigate into their adulthood. We all know they are not shackled by budgetary concerns and all of those things. We often do not make changes because of other constraints but they are not constrained by those things and are ambitious. If there was an opportunity for that BT young scientist type idea, the imagination, creativity and ambition of our young people would be a great project for the shared island unit because that is the whole reasoning behind the unit. We are on the way out; they are on the way in.

Not just yet.

Not you. You know what I mean.

The Senator has a few years left before she dies.

That is the whole idea of it. It is their shared island and they are creating it.

She is picking on you again, Chair.

Ms Aingeal O’Donoghue

Some of these are points to take away rather than for specific responses. I thank Senator Blaney for his comments on research. We think it is important. This year the ESRI will do four reports on social attitudes North and South, housing supply, student mobility on the island, and gender equality and the gender pay gap. The idea is this is an iterative programme to keep going.

We certainly do not want to find ourselves with a strategic rail review we cannot do anything with. I hear what the Senator is saying there.

On north-west education, I assure the Senator we have had extensive meetings with both Malachy O'Neill and Paul Hannigan. We continue to engage. They have a good structure in the north west involving not just universities but, to Deputy Smith's point, the further and higher education colleges and the employers. We are tapping into that in terms of looking at various initiatives that could help meet the needs of the north west.

On education exchange and children, it is very important but comes back to capital funding constraints on the shared island initiative. There are probably other places including, though they may kill me, my colleagues in the Department of Foreign Affairs through the reconciliation fund that are more in that space. We will take it away.

We are doing quite a bit of work on how there might be a role and a way we could support educational attainment and achievement in Northern Ireland. It is an area where, ultimately, an Executive is needed. You will not do something in the primary and secondary education area without an Executive as a partner. On the further and higher education you can because those institutions have greater autonomy.

I hear the Senator on the matter of the ferry.

I am delighted to have the witnesses here and thank them for the great work they are doing. The shared island initiative has been innovative and successful.

I have been a member of the Joint Committee on the Implementation of the Good Friday Agreement for well over ten years. Over that ten years, we have been talking about the Narrow Water Bridge project. I was at the location with members of the Fine Gael Northern Ireland engagement group and was a bit disappointed that the project had not started, but one can see that it is moving ahead. I would like to see it start. We have been talking about this for quite a long time.

The shared island unit has engaged with many communities. I always feel that the local authorities, higher education bodies and the all-island sports bodies have an important role. The €15 million the Government allocated for all-Ireland electric vehicle charging infrastructure in sports clubs was innovative and certainly well received. The vast majority of the sports organisations now have really good governance. When I was a Minister of State, we allocated €800,000 for GAA clubs in this jurisdiction. It was great to see the GAA administering and collating. It does a good job. The initiative was very well received.

I am a Deputy in the constituency that covers Sligo, Leitrim, north Roscommon and south Donegal – four counties. Two of the counties are Border counties and Sligo is close to being one. Sometimes when people talk about the north west, they think of Letterkenny and Derry, but when I think of the north west, I think of Sligo, Leitrim and a bit of south Donegal. I am interested in the Sligo, Leitrim and northern counties railway, SLNCR, greenway project, which is to extend a greenway from Sligo to Enniskillen and farther. It will link up with the western greenway and, I believe, the other greenways. This is the way forward. I would love to see railways, including on the route in question, but first of all we have to do what is practical and useful. Railways will probably follow once we have the economies of scale, but I just want to be sure the greenway project is getting the push it needs. The Sligo-Letterkenny route must also be considered. There is talk of a greenway between Ballyshannon and Belleek. The more of these projects, working through the local authorities, the better. They are practical and get people across the Border.

Two major projects, namely the Titanic museum in Belfast and Emerald Park, formerly Tayto Park, in County Meath, have done a lot to increase cross-Border co-operation in the past 25 years. This is just a simple thing. When I ask people from the west or farther south than Mullingar why they went to Belfast, the first thing they refer to is the Titantic museum. I note their delight. The same applies to people from the North who go to Emerald Park. Such tourism infrastructure is very important.

With regard to renewable energy, the Atlantic coast has major potential. NUIG and Letterkenny have a role to play. There is an opportunity in this area. Something has happened north of the Dublin–Sligo line, namely the Atlantic Technological University. It will absolutely change the way we view third level education. The university is working closely with Ulster University Magee Campus and other colleges. We need to build on that. As a country, we are very slack in that we did not have a third level institution in the area in question. People effectively had to go to Galway, Cork, Coleraine or elsewhere. There is something happening in this regard and we need to build on it.

The research projects are very important, as is the €20 million spent on research and innovation. I have a partner who is very involved with food. The funding allocated and the work being done through Safefood and many other bodies are important, especially to areas like mine, where there are small industries involved in food preparation. People are beginning to maximise the potential in this regard. We are lucky to have very good local authorities and we can work together.

Having 600 sports club applications across every county was very impressive. It shows how important the initiative was.

I thank the witnesses for the great work. It does make a difference. I look forward to seeing the Narrow Water Bridge project going ahead. I also look forward to seeing the canal project, which is getting the go-ahead. As somebody who once took a boat down the Ballyconnell–Ballinamore canal, and further on to the Shannon, I realise the project would really create links. It is a huge project but I genuinely feel that walking, cycling and even pushing a pram across the Border are very important. I thank the witnesses for their great work and look forward to visiting some of the projects in the near future.

Ms Aingeal O’Donoghue

There are just a few points to take away. On electric vehicle charging and sports bodies, the approach is part of an overall approach to push out EV charging to a range of community centres. It is important that I mention that the charging points are publicly accessible, not just for the sports facilities. The starting phase for electric cars and policy development thereon is an easier time in which to collaborate than when two systems have already developed. That is why we were keen to do the easy charging.

The Sligo-Enniskillen greenway is on the list of projects on which we continue to work. The Department of Transport is obviously completely on board with greenways, working with the northern system. I do not have the precise milestones in front of me but the matter is complex because there are many local authorities involved. However, the project is definitely on our list.

The Deputy's point on renewable energy is very well made. The project is very suited to North–South and east–west, or British–Irish, co-operation and is very much on our minds. We are doing some very interesting early-stage work with our northern colleagues on hydrogen. They are probably a bit ahead of us.

Mr. Eoghan Duffy

On the hydrogen part of renewable energy sources, initial work has been undertaken to examine the regulatory system we would need in the North and South. We would not want systems that did not link in well in terms of generation and the use of hydrogen, including for transport. The Department of Transport is working with colleagues in the Department for the Economy to consider cross-Border routes for pilot hydrogen corridors. This is particularly relevant for heavy vehicles.

There is considerable work going on regarding both systems of renewables. Part of what we are doing is encouraging Departments on both sides to ensure the interactions and connections exist regarding both policy and infrastructure.

Ms Aingeal O’Donoghue

I just hope there are no rows at Tayto Park about northern Tayto and southern Tayto, because they are different.

It is now called Emerald Park.

I wish to ask a couple of questions. Since the Windsor Framework or the improvement in relations between the British and Irish Governments, has there been an increase in interest in the shared island unit's activity? How is its work affected?

Ms Aingeal O’Donoghue

In that regard, we are probably in the early days. The Taoiseach had a bilateral meeting with Prime Minister Sunak in Belfast. Part of what they spoke about was the potential for closer co-operation in various sectors, but we have not necessarily delved into the detail. To echo a phrase a colleague of ours has used, it is sometimes about having the right proposition. For example, on the Co-centre Programme for research, we have a contribution from the British Government. We are engaged in a peatlands initiative.

As part of that, we are doing a project that involves Ireland, Northern Ireland and Scotland. Those are some examples. The Windsor Framework brought settlement. Particularly regarding EU-UK relations, settling those issues opens the way for greater British-Irish engagement. We will begin to work through that.

I ask about the amount of co-funding at the moment.

Ms Aingeal O’Donoghue

From the British Government?

Ms Aingeal O’Donoghue

It is limited. It contributed €14 million to the research centres. We also have another potential project on a cross-Border innovation park in the north west. It is very much project by project at the moment.

Ms O’Donoghue might or might not be aware of issues around Oldbridge in County Meath, beside Drogheda. I do not know where the proposal is there. I met with the then Minister for Foreign Affairs, Deputy Coveney, and the Minister of State with responsibility for the Office of Public Works, OPW, Deputy Patrick O'Donovan, about developing that site. I do not know if Ms O’Donoghue has anything on that.

Ms Aingeal O’Donoghue

Does Mr. Duffy want to respond?

Mr. Eoghan Duffy

As the Cathaoirleach said, Oldbridge is an OPW-run site. There have been a number of suggestions, which the OPW is looking at, to come up with a proposal that can be worked on. There are probably a number of different aspects to that. It is certainly has an obvious shared island dimension to it.

I think the idea was that it is because it is the site of the Battle of the Boyne, which divided us. It might result in some investment that might bring people together there, particularly of a different persuasion – a unionist persuasion. Who do I go to in order to get information on that – is it the Department or the OPW?

Mr. Eoghan Duffy

I would be happy to follow up on it and link in with the OPW as well.

That is fine. My other question is slightly different. I find that people who would be of a unionist persuasion have some good ideas as well, that may or may not end up on the witnesses' desks. The key to all of that is getting the Executive up and running. Is the Department open to proposals, in theory, if and when the Executive comes back, that it could identify and work with? Would that be a constructive way of getting that sort of proposal brought forward?

Ms Aingeal O’Donoghue

Absolutely. To be honest, our absolute preferred approach would be strategic between the Irish Government and the Northern Ireland Executive. Therefore, yes. We have had some quiet discussions with colleagues in Northern Ireland around the ten-year investment strategy, 10X, that they mapped out, as Mr. Duffy referred to, and where the two might fit together. On specific projects, we have had approaches about some. The unionist community may not have been as engaged and we are very open to seeing where their priorities might lie.

My last question is on County Down GAA. I do not if they have approached the Department.

Ms Aingeal O’Donoghue

Is this Ballykinlar?

Ms Aingeal O’Donoghue

Yes, they have approached us.

It is a positive suggestion that the British army is prepared to give land that would be useful to the community to the GAA club. I met them some time ago. Have they been to the Department and have officials had any discussions with them?

Ms Aingeal O’Donoghue

Yes, we certainly have had discussions with them. They have approached us, as have others on their behalf. There are a couple of things about it. However, I prefer not to get into specific projects here.

Ms O'Donoghue does not have to at all. She is in contact with them and aware of the proposal. That is good.

Senator Black may go first.

I thank the Cathaoirleach. I appreciate that. I commend both the officials and their team on all the work that the shared island unit is doing. It is phenomenal work that is vital to foster connections, community and respectful, productive dialogue all over this island. It is good to see the conversations and civil society dialogue that the unit is supporting. I am happy to see that cross-Border creativity is being supported. That is an area that I am passionate about. Arts and culture are powerful tools for expression and social change. I think the seeds being planted now will blossom into lasting cultural achievement. It is fantastic.

I also want to mention the importance of the unit’s funding of the cross-Border research that was spoken about. Fostering academic co-operation across the Border has produced fascinating research already. I thank the Department officials for coming in to tell us all about the great work being done. It is positive and impressive.

I have a few questions. I have a friend who lives in Derry. I was talking about the shared island unit coming in. This may not be in the witnesses’ arena, so forgive me if it is not. I just want to ask the question anyway. They are saying there is deep concern about higher education provision in Derry and there is a long-running campaign for a new university in the city. Does the shared island unit and wider shared island initiatives have a role in encouraging constructive conversations around this kind of a topic? That is my first question.

Ms Aingeal O’Donoghue

I thank the Senator for her kind words. Higher education provision in Derry is part of the Government’s commitments in the New Decade, New Approach agreement, which was around capital investment to enhance higher education provision in Derry, in Magee specifically. We are working very closely with Magee, but also in partnership with Atlantic Technological University and the other education institutions in the north west with a focus on what a capital investment in Magee might look like. I am aware of the broader debate in Derry. A long-running issue in Derry has been the limited number of university places in Magee. There is now a plan. There has been a gradual enhancement of that number. It is currently stands at 5,200 and there is a plan to bring it up to the mid-6,000s. However, many people in Derry talk about a 10,000-person campus. I think there is now a certain amount of momentum and goodwill about expanding the Derry campus. Ulster University, UU, moved the medical faculty there and has significantly enhanced that. We are also looking at whether there are opportunities for more Irish students to avail of that specific facility in UU. We are also looking at broader capital investment.

As the Senator mentioned, there is also a strand of opinion in Derry about a new university. I think the view of then Taoiseach, Deputy Micheál Martin, when he was there, said that if you want to make progress, going back to the drawing board and starting again would be very long and that using what is there already would be the better approach.

As I said, our New Decade, New Approach commitment is around capital investment in Magee. We are very aware of issue of the limited student numbers at third level in Derry. The other point is that you cannot just leap from 5,000 to 10,000. You have to have the faculties and the level of service in terms of academics, research and facilities that makes students want to come there. We are actively involved in it.

That sounds positive. The unit is doing great work and it is important that is continued on. Are there any plans to further enhance the funding available to the unit to expand its work, particularly in light of more intensive discussions about the future?

That is important. What are Ms O'Donoghue's thoughts on that? Perhaps she does not know.

Ms Aingeal O’Donoghue

In terms of specific Government decisions, we have what we have, which is €500 million to 2025 and €1 billion out to 2030. Without getting ahead of the Government, I can say that, particularly in the context of the formation of an Executive, there is no doubt but that the question of financing and budget will inevitably come into the discussion for both the British and Irish Governments. That will be a political decision at that point of the politics.

That is great. Does the Department evaluate and assess the impact of the work it is doing on the island? If so, how is that evaluation done? That is my final question.

Ms Aingeal O’Donoghue

That is a really good point. We have not really done that much of that. We have certainly done it with regard to the dialogues. We have done outreach, got feedback from participants and so on. We obviously have got quite a lot of informal feedback today and in our engagements with civic society. Many of the projects are medium-term projects of two, three or five years. It is a really good point. We probably need to look at the kind of evaluation mechanisms we should use as the projects move towards delivery. We will take that away and come back on it. Would Mr. Duffy like to add anything on evaluation?

Mr. Eoghan Duffy

I will make the point that the Departments leading the projects, whether they relate to infrastructure or programme delivery, will have their own evaluation processes. That is certainly part of some projects already but, as Ms O'Donoghue has said, in the longer view, there is a need to take an overall look. It is something to take away.

Ms Aingeal O’Donoghue

If the Cathaoirleach does not mind, perhaps I could come back in, not to add anything in particular, but to address the Senator's point about creativity. That is why we were very keen on the shared island dimension to the Creative Ireland programme. We see a lot of potential in that regard. For example, this year, Cruinniú na nÓg will operate on an all-island basis. Again, it is a question of small steps. It has to start, but you could see a lot coming through there over time.

I thank Ms O'Donoghue and her team again for all of the work they are doing.

I have a couple of quick questions about Derry. I met with the chamber of commerce and the port authority in Derry some time ago and one of the issues the port authority raised regarding facilities for passenger ships coming into Derry. The landing is located in Donegal. There was an issue about having a higher quality or wider road to transport passengers into the city. I do not know whether Ms O'Donoghue knows anything about that.

Ms Aingeal O’Donoghue

No.

That is fair enough. I will put her in touch with those people. While it is nothing to do with the Department per se, another issue the people I met in Derry were quite strong on was the need for a joined-up IDA Ireland investment policy for the whole north west. I do not know if the Department has had any discussions on that.

Ms Aingeal O’Donoghue

It is interesting that, if I remember correctly, the north west now does quite a bit of shared marketing, including through inward investment trips to the United States and so on. The question of joining up Enterprise Ireland, IDA Ireland and Invest Northern Ireland has come up again and again over a long period. IDA Ireland says that the investment proposition is somewhat different on opposite sides of the Border. However, we are looking at certain propositions around innovation and research.

Outward marketing is more complicated. When I started in this role over two and a half years ago, we met with Derry and Strabane District Council, or perhaps it was Donegal County Council, and someone said that a job in Derry is as good as a job in Donegal or vice versa. That is a remarkable thing to say. Joined-up planning for the region, which the two councils are doing very well, is very important. I take the Cathaoirleach's point about inward investment.

All of that is very good. Ms O'Donoghue is on the ball there.

I thank the delegation for coming in again. I commend all of the work that is being done. I can see clearly how the shared island unit has evolved and developed in different areas to address different questions and problems. I have no doubt that will continue. A lot of questions have been asked. I have a couple of follow-on questions. An environmental report is to be done on the all-island rail review. When will that be completed? Is there any kind of timeline? I have to declare an interest and say that I hope the western rail corridor is in there. I want to see the latter advanced.

We will forgive the Deputy for that interest.

All politics is local, but that is a very important project. Will the fact that the Executive is not up and running impact on that? That can be put out to tender and so on without the Executive being up and running, but then we will obviously reach a pinch point if the Executive is not in operation at that stage. Does Ms O'Donoghue have any timeline for that?

Ms Aingeal O’Donoghue

My information is that the environmental assessment involves a four-week public consultation. It is believed it can be done relatively quickly but I do not want to get ahead of colleagues who are much more involved in the matter. I will come back to the Deputy on the specifics if I have misled her. There is a question as to whether we can publish the report in the absence of the Executive. That is something we are talking to colleagues in Northern Ireland about. The report is an overview; it is not a commitment to spend. It has to go to both Governments. It is a report to both the Executive and the Irish Government. We are looking to see if there are ways to get it out there but the absence of an Executive is potentially a pinch point. Senator Blaney already touched on that. We also believe that the public consultation on the strategic environmental assessment will allow some of the report to come out. It may be possible to do it in that way.

The European Regional Development Fund, ERDF, provides 60% co-funding for projects in regions in transition such as, for example, the west and the north west. Is there a way for the shared island unit to maximise the opportunity that presents? Can funding from the Exchequer and the shared island unit be combined in such a situation?

Ms Aingeal O’Donoghue

We are always very happy to combine with other sources of funding whether in this jurisdiction or Northern Ireland. More seriously, the strategic rail review is what it says it is. It will then have to be considered-----

I am asking about ERDF funding more broadly and about any other innovative projects.

Ms Aingeal O’Donoghue

It may be possible. I have not come across one. One of the areas we look at a lot is the PEACEPLUS programme. We see a lot of complementarities there. Some projects may be partly funded by PEACEPLUS and partly funded by ourselves or other arms of the Government. The ERDF has not really come up.

Mr. Eoghan Duffy

It is not something we need to get into detail on but-----

Ms Aingeal O’Donoghue

We will take that point away and look at it.

It might be something to look at because having to find only the 40% presents opportunities. Obviously, it is addressing the problem of the growing regional disparities and the fact that the region is in transition. Can the Department co-fund with the reconciliation fund in what it is doing?

Ms Aingeal O’Donoghue

The reconciliation fund is very much a current fund. To again go back to that earlier point, there are quite a lot of funds. There is the reconciliation fund, the International Fund for Ireland and PEACEPLUS.

Is the PEACE fund open now?

Ms Aingeal O’Donoghue

It is about to open. Everything has been done. The last piece was the signing of the financing agreement between the UK and the EU and that has happened. It is literally about to be opened. We see the reconciliation fund as a specific, targeted fund. Our colleagues in the Department of Foreign Affairs would agree with that. It is current funding. We are trying to bring a different thing to the table. One of the interesting things that came out in the dialogues was that there was a sort of gap with regard to funding greater civic society engagement as the reconciliation fund was not quite in that area.

As a result, we looked at how we would fill that gap. That is how there is now the civic society fund, which is operated by the Department of Foreign Affairs but jointly funded by the shared island unit and the Department of Foreign Affairs.

That is different from the reconciliation fund.

Ms Aingeal O’Donoghue

Yes.

Can you get both, though? Can you get some funding from the reconciliation fund and some from the - what did Ms O'Donoghue call it? The civic-----

Ms Aingeal O’Donoghue

The shared island civic society fund. What you will find is that some organisations will put proposals to both funds, but they have different objectives, so it should not be the case that the same thing would be funded from both.

I see opportunities as well in PEACEPLUS when that is open because it will cover the whole island, not just the councils confined to the Border, as used to be the case. The programme will be spread to all local authorities.

I want to ask the witnesses about biodiversity. What if a community has a biodiversity project in respect of which it wants to do a twinning with a community in the North? I am thinking about Ballycastle and the surrounding area in Mayo. They have a wonderful biodiversity project there and eco-learning and so on, which is really good. We would like to match them with a similar community in the North to be able to do an exchange of learning and so on. Can that be facilitated under the shared island unit?

Mr. Eoghan Duffy

That sounds like a really good proposal for the community climate action scheme, which is exactly what the Deputy describes for communities. The requirement is that it is on both sides of the Border to come together to deliver either carbon reduction or biodiversity-enhancing actions. I will follow up to make sure the Deputy has the information, and we would be happy to talk to the group, but that is exactly the kind of thing that this is intended to do. There is the main part of the fund, which is for actions within an individual community, and then this is to bring communities together on a cross-Border basis to do that.

That would be great. I thank Mr. Duffy.

Ms O'Donoghue talked about hydrogen. That is really interesting. We all recognise that we have to tackle climate change on an all-island basis, but we really need the all-island hydrogen strategy to be able to do that, to be able to advance renewables in the way we need and to capitalise on the Atlantic economic corridor. I am really glad about the developments in respect of Derry and the Magee campus. The Mayo campus of Atlantic Technological University is focused on medicine, and what I really want to see happen there is the exchange of students. What is significant since we last met is that in the higher education Act, the newer Act, there is now an explicit piece encouraging student mobility across the island that has never been there before. Each of the higher education institutions has been tasked with having a plan to see how they will encourage North-South co-operation. There is the legislative framework there to be able to continue that work, and I really look forward to the next report the shared island unit has on education.

Is the shared island unit doing anything, or does it plan to do anything, in respect of the impact of Brexit? I am talking particularly about the services not being included in the agreement and the impact that might have on foreign direct investment, FDI, and growth potential across the island.

Ms Aingeal O’Donoghue

One of the first reports we commissioned with the ESRI was on services on the island of Ireland, precisely because there was a lot of focus on the trade in goods with Brexit. We have done that, and I think there is a view that there is probably untapped potential in greater trade in services across the island. We continue to look at that. I do not think there is a specific thing at the moment that we are-----

Mr. Eoghan Duffy

No, except that, obviously, Brexit impacts a number of economic areas. Part of a lot of the research coming up relates to the impact of Brexit. One of the things the ESRI research picked up on was that services are not included under the framework that is there and that there were some areas where there were likely to be issues but that they had not arisen yet and that it would take some time to see how the legislative EU-UK framework would evolve. It identified a number of areas that need to be monitored, so we have those brought through from the research.

I commend what is coming from the ESRI, notwithstanding the data gaps that are there. It is excellent. The CSO has put out a call for consultations as to what it might do differently or better. We put the request in through the finance committee and the Committee on Budgetary Oversight that it would have better congruence in respect of the data it is producing with the data in the North so as to be able to fill those gaps for us to better examine and compare the data. That will be really helpful as well.

As regards medicine and the other education and training and so on, is there any role for the shared island unit in ensuring we have similar accreditation guaranteed across the island, whether with CORU or in respect of veterinary studies and the new veterinary school and so on?

Ms Aingeal O’Donoghue

I thank the Deputy for her comments on the data because it is a really big issue. It also came up very clearly in the NESC report when it published the big report it did, Shared Island: Shared Opportunity, that having a better database and a shared database would be a very significant enabler of the works. I thank the Deputy for highlighting that.

As regards qualifications, etc., occasionally things come to us that are problematic in that area. In the context of preparation for Brexit, a huge amount of work was done on recognition of qualifications both on the island and between Britain and Ireland. The automatic recognition of qualifications that was there under the EU framework fell away. A great deal has been done between the different regulatory and sectoral bodies to ensure that it is possible that qualifications are recognised. The point we would make, however, is that it is now sometimes more complicated, but the thrust is very much to ensure that the qualifications are recognised.

Yes. There are still gaps there.

Has the shared island unit any role to play in the European Court of Human Rights and the different movement there in respect of the British Government's detraction of rights and how we can secure uniformity of rights across the island? Is that something the shared island unit looks at?

Ms Aingeal O’Donoghue

My responsibilities are not only shared island matters but also Northern Ireland and British-Irish relations. There are places where it all flows together, as it were, and issues around rights are one of them. There is a very clear Irish Government position, as there is in the Good Friday Agreement, on the European Convention on Human Rights, and the Government continues to remind the British Government of that. The boundaries as to what are shared island matters and what is the broader Irish Government policy are not always absolutely sealed.

Ms Aingeal O’Donoghue

A key part of Irish Government policy is the human rights issues, in particular the Convention on Human Rights.

We need to share rights across the island.

Ms Aingeal O’Donoghue

Yes, and there is the commitment in the Good Friday Agreement on a human rights charter for Northern Ireland.

I have taken up a lot of time. I thank the witnesses.

Ms Aingeal O’Donoghue

I thank the Deputy. There are things there that we will take away.

I will come back to PEACEPLUS for just one second, if I may.

Ms Aingeal O’Donoghue

That is huge funding for the island, and I think the committee has already had the head of the SEUPB in before it.

Yes, some time ago.

Ms Aingeal O’Donoghue

If I may, I encourage all member of the committee to bring the programme to the attention of their various stakeholders. There are six different strands of co-operation. We could see it playing quite a big role on the rail dimension, for example. There are places where it will come into play very strongly but, because the application process is quite elaborate, sometimes organisations can be a bit put off or can miss the deadlines. It is just to encourage them all-----

I raised that very issue at a county council officials' meeting about a plan for Louth, which is assisting community groups, voluntary groups and so on to apply and get the funding.

There is an absence, sometimes, of knowledge or skills. I do not know what can be done about that. If I am right, Cavan County Council apparently has a very good, proactive engagement with community groups about finding funding, and ensuring they have all the help they need to apply for it, and all the skills and backup they need. That is an issue which Ms O'Donoghue rightly identifies.

Ms Aingeal O’Donoghue

In fairness, we are not the PEACE PLUS programme, but they do quite a lot of outreach, and have a huge amount of public sense.

Yes. It is just a generic issue for which we need to find a method or one-stop shop to go to for all of these applications. Otherwise, the money is missed. Senator Blaney has a question.

I have one point that arose when Ms O'Donoghue talked about the need for a cross-Border initiative where students are able to cross both ways. One issue that comes up a lot at the moment is kids from the South going to the North. Regarding the subjects that funding is available for, there are many subjects out there that some kids have to go to the North for more than other people down South, and even across to the UK as well. Funding is not available. It is quite an issue, so Ms O'Donoghue might go back to higher education. An awful lot of parents contact us on and off. I had one three weeks ago. There is just no funding available for certain courses, so parents down South are paying for everything up North.

Ms Aingeal O’Donoghue

I will maybe clarify it a bit more with the Senator, but absolutely.

Are there any further questions from any members?

I have one question for Ms O'Donoghue and Mr. Duffy. Are they happy with the buy-in from all communities with regard to the shared island initiative? From my own interaction with people on both sides of the Border - I live in a Border community - there has been a very warm welcome for it. Regardless of what some people might have thought of us politically in the past, as far as I can see, they embrace funding and the prospect of getting better facilities in their own immediate areas. My own unscientific analysis would be that there has been great buy-in by all communities. Maybe the witnesses could tell us if that is reflected in the communications and dialogue they have with different communities.

Ms Aingeal O’Donoghue

I thank the Deputy. Yes, we have been encouraged by the extent of engagement across all communities. This committee and these hearings have been hugely helpful with regard to building up a knowledge of the shared island initiative, what it is, and frankly, getting the word out there about it, and having people thinking and talking about it.

It is the case that at a political level, the unionist political parties have not engaged with us or the Taoiseach. There have been some quiet conversations in the political context. However, we have not had engagement from unionist political parties. Equally though, they have not chosen to criticise the initiative, and that in itself is not insignificant. It is certainly the case that unionist communities and activists have engaged with the initiative, in terms of both the dialogues and funding. Local authorities would be a very good example that.

I thank Ms O'Donoghue. Senators McGreehan and Blaney and I were in the East Belfast Mission, in the Skainos Centre, with Linda Ervine and the great Irish-language project they have there. Most of us would know Ms Ervine over the years. They are doing excellent work. Could their fabulous initiative and work could be supported in some way? I think the Department may have funded or helped them with a feasibility study with regard to a naíonra. They appreciated that support, and would appreciate anything further that can be done to assist them, because they need their own place. They are depending on the use of church halls at the moment, which are put to other uses in the evening times and at weekends. Having those Irish-language promotion and activities in east Belfast is a great credit to Ms Ervine and her colleagues, because it was not always a welcomed development. However, they have stuck with it, and they are gaining ground.

Then there is the further development of East Belfast Gaels in Gaelic football, hurling and camogie, which is very welcome as well. I am sure all of us on this committee would very much support the idea of that particular Irish-language project in the Skainos Centre getting good financial support.

Mr. Eoghan Duffy

I thank the Deputy. As he said, it is a very significant project. We have very good contact with Ms Ervine and her colleagues there, as do our colleagues in the Department of Tourism, Culture, Arts, Gaeltacht, Sport and Media, who will be interacting with her as well. We are seeing how the project is developing, and keeping a close eye on it.

That is very welcome.

Ms Aingeal O’Donoghue

Ms Ervine was at the shared island forum in December. She spoke very impressively at it. There is definitely engagement.

I think we have exhausted our questions. I hope we have not exhausted the witnesses. It has been very informative, useful and helpful, and I want to thank the witnesses for coming here and identifying issues that we can help and support in, and providing us with information that we can circulate as well. I thank them for coming in, and I wish them every success. We are going into private session now, as we have other business to attend to.

Ms Aingeal O’Donoghue

I thank the Cathaoirleach and all the Deputies and Senators. It is really important for us to have this engagement and hear back from members, and I thank them for the words of encouragement. I would like to say - because one of the members has mentioned it - our team is actually quite a small one, with eight people. I want to pay tribute all of our colleagues who do tremendous work. Those members who have been at the dialogues will know that it involves a huge amount of work to do that every time, and there is huge enthusiasm, commitment and motivation from the whole team to this project. They are, obviously, working under the guidance of the Taoiseach and the Tánaiste.

The joint committee went into private session at 3.17 p.m. and adjourned at 3.27 p.m. until 1.30 p.m. on Thursday, 4 May 2023.
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