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Seanad Éireann díospóireacht -
Wednesday, 12 Nov 1997

Vol. 152 No. 11

Road Safety: Motion (Resumed).

Debate resumed on the following motion:
That Seanad Éireann invites the Minister for the Environment and Local Government to outline to the House the new initiatives he proposes to take to curb the ongoing carnage on the roads; and also to outline the steps he proposes to have taken to effect a substantial reduction in the number of road accidents, fatal and otherwise.
—(Senator Quill.)

We must also bear in mind that many road accidents take place on short journeys very close to home. These accidents are not always fatal but we need to educate drivers that young children should not sit in, or stand on, the front seat. We have all let this happen in the past. We know we should not do so and we need to be stopped by the Garda to make sure we do not repeat the practice.

Driving tests should be stringent on young and old alike, but we should be obliged to re-sit the test every few years because circumstances change. People may be on medication, for instance, and this can affect their driving. Insurance companies take that into consideration. Why should it not be taken into consideration in the context of the driving test?

I want to put some emphasis on the quality of the roads being built. No doubt the road surfaces are improving and this has led to smoother driving technique. It is much easier to control a car under those circumstances. Lane markings have been improving and I would like to think that would continue because in foggy conditions, in particular, such as those we are experiencing at present, it is terribly important to have good lane markings, which do not cost a great deal.

Sign posts are important also. I recall a road accident in Carlow a few years ago in which a young engaged couple were involved in a head-on collision with two German visitors. Three people were killed and the young girl was left paralysed for life simply because the tourists were driving on the wrong side of the road. We need proper signposting throughout the country so that visitors realise that we drive on the left.

Another situation arose last night when I was looking for parking. I saw the "P" sign but the arrow was covered by a clearway sign. That is ridiculous. A little common sense is all that is needed to prevent accidents which occur where you must slow up, stop the traffic and somebody runs into you from behind. We can prevent all these accidents with a little thought.

A number of weeks ago I mentioned the need for a bypass around Carlow town. The Minister is aware of my views on this and as long as the bypass is not built I will continue to talk about it. At that stage I said it was time to christen the new bypass but I sincerely hope it will not become an old age pensioner before its christening. The road is badly needed because 15,000 vehicles travel in either direction through a housing estate in the town and four times a day school children cross the existing road at two points. We must do something about this now.

I wish to share my time with Senator Caffrey.

Acting Chairman

Is that agreed? Agreed.

I congratulate Senator Quill and her colleagues on tabling this timely motion. In the past, fatal road accidents were associated with drink driving but in recent years a new phenomenon has entered the equation, speeding. Excessive and unsafe speed, not merely breaking speed limits, is one of the most frequent contributory factors to fatal road accidents. I am a non-driver but I am often a passenger while my wife drives. She usually drives at close to the 70 miles per hour speed limit on motorways but a frightening number of cars overtake her. The National Safety Council states that speeding ranks ahead of drink driving as the most common contributory factor to road accidents. While the community condemns drink driving, respectable people admit to and even boast about speeding without condemnation from their peers. The unpalatable truth is that driving too fast for safety is socially acceptable rather than being regarded as criminal lunacy. The challenge facing society is to make speeding totally unacceptable and I await with interest the Minister's views on how we can turn society around on that issue.

The Garda Síochána recently implemented Operation Lifesaver in an attempt to reduce road accident numbers and it met with some success. Like Senator Gibbons, I would like the Garda to have the assistance of speed cameras such as those erected on the M25 motorway around London. The installation of 400 cameras on that road has substantially reduced the number of fatal accidents, particularly pileups. Dublin will face a similar position shortly; if the C-ring is completed without speed cameras being installed, there will be serious accidents on that road. The Minister should factor the installation of cameras into the cost of building the road, because they are necessary for public safety.

When people are found guilty of speeding they should be dealt with quickly by the courts and the fines should be substantial. We should make speeding totally unacceptable. If a person is found guilty his licence should be endorsed and if he commits the same offence again his licence should be taken away. The greatest penalty that can be imposed on a motorist is to remove his licence for a period.

I welcome the Minister and congratulate Senator Quill on bringing this important issue before the House. It merits more time than we can give it this evening and we should have a full debate on this subject because we are all appalled by the current level of carnage on our roads. There are several contributory factors, including excessive speed, drink driving, defective vehicles and careless driving. I was trying to obtain accident statistics but I could not get a breakdown of the type of vehicles involved in road accidents. The numbers and dates of accidents are available, as are the number of fatalities, but I could not discover whether those accidents involved cars, motorcycles, bicycles or articulated trucks. Reading the newspapers, one cannot ignore that heavy vehicles are involved in many serious accidents. They are colloquially known as "artics" but they are really mobile warehouses. They are not equipped with the facilities needed for our roads. On the continent heavy vehicles must be prevented from emitting spray on wet days. If it is raining these trucks are enveloped in vapour and fog. If a driver wants to overtake a truck he cannot see anything, and if there are two or three trucks together it is impossible to move forward. These trucks should be fitted with a device which will shield cars from the spray. The Minister should carefully examine this aspect of road safety. Anyone driving behind a truck on a wet day can observe this spray and if it was prevented it would help reduce the numbers of serious accidents.

This is only one factor but if we analyse all the factors and deal effectively with them we will get somewhere. We are all appalled by what is happening but few practical suggestions are made. If we look at all accidents, break them into different types and analyse what contributes to them, we may make progress. My area of concern is the spray caused by trucks on wet days. All trucks on the continent must be modified to prevent this spray.

I wish to share my time with Senator Dan Kiely.

Acting Chairman

Is that agreed? Agreed.

I welcome the Minister to the House for consideration of this important motion which we all support. Statistics have shown that in recent years, particularly since 1987, the number of fatalities on our roads has remained static at about 450 per year. Prior to that the number of fatalities was significantly higher, in the range of 600 per year, so clearly steps have been taken to improve matters somewhat. We must learn from those steps to reduce the figures significantly because even one road death is one too many. It is also worthy of note that we are in line with the EU average for the road deaths per capita, although we are probably above average in terms of vehicle numbers.

Drivers account for most of the fatalities on the roads, pedestrians account for about 30 per cent, which is an alarmingly high level, and passengers account for the remainder. There appears to have been a significant increase in single vehicle accidents which raises a range of issues, in particular, driver behaviour. We must address our attention to that issue. Enforcement is another important issue.

Road improvements could play a role in improving the record of road accidents. While there is an allocation of about £1 million from the National Roads Authority to improve road markings, traffic route lighting and to provide a better standard of lighting generally, the resources devoted to these areas should be increased. As Senators have indicated these are frequent contributory factors to road accidents. The local authorities have a fundamental role in this regard and many of them have improved sight lines in their areas and have implemented a range of other initiatives. The remit of local authorities in regard to road safety should be widened and extended into the realm of enforcement. Consideration might be given to separating the responsibilities for law enforcement and traffic control and policing. Local authorities might engage traffic rangers or police to operate on a county or regional basis.

Of the various aspects of behaviour which are significant in the level of accidents, speeding is at the top of the list. Speed limits are often set without assessing a realistic level. One passes through many villages which have 30 miles per hour limits where a 40 or 50 miles per hour limit would be adequate. These limits are applied as a status symbol for the villages rather than for the purpose for which they are intended — to ensure safe driving. This practice tends to bring the system of compliance with the law into disrepute.

Greater use should be made of the 50 miles per hour speed limit which is rarely, if ever, used. There are stretches of county roads which have 60 miles per hour limits where it would be dangerous to drive at that speed, yet one also finds wide sections of national primary routes which may have two or three lanes where the same limit applies. Speed limits might be revised upwards on the motorways. However, in doing so we must ensure full enforcement of the law. If we can foster an attitude of visible and active enforcement we may get a higher level of compliance.

I agree with the suggestion that offenders should suffer greater consequences for breaches of the traffic code. A points system might be applied whereby people caught speeding would incur a certain number of points and those reaching a certain threshold of points would have their licence suspended or withdrawn. Such initiatives will improve road behaviour.

With regard to pedestrians, the laws on the use of visibility aids, such as armbands, should be enforced with greater vigour. As a third of road fatalities are pedestrians we should focus our energies on that sector. It will take a combination of improving driver behaviour and greater enforcement of the law to bring about the improvements we seek.

I welcome the Minister of State to the House and I thank Senator Walsh for sharing his time with me. The number of road deaths has increased over the past few years and the problem is becoming serious. There may be many approaches adopted to tackle the problem. The road network is not of a sufficient standard to cope with the volume of traffic using it. Year on year the volume of traffic on the roads increases as car ownership increases. The Garda does an excellent job, particularly in built up areas where the introduction of on the spot fines has reduced the number of speeding violations. However, the Garda should not have to spend time enforcing speed limits when other, more serious crimes demand attention. Vehicles should have a mechanism fitted to prevent them exceeding the maximum speed limit. This would reduce speeding on the roads which causes so many accidents.

There should be greater education in schools on road safety for pedestrians because about 30 per cent of road fatalities are pedestrians. Young people seem inclined to walk in front of traffic without a thought. Drivers are supposed to be able to stop their vehicles at any speed when somebody simply walks in front of them. That is unfair behaviour by the pedestrians and might be tackled through road safety education aimed at young people.

There must a large of injection of funds aimed at upgrading roads, particularly with the increasing numbers of heavy vehicles being used to transport goods. The Government, the local authorities, the Garda and all other interested parties must work together to tackle the serious problem of road deaths.

Ba mhaith liom mo bhuíochas a ghabháil leis na Seanadóirí a mhol an rún seo. Thug sé seans dúinn díospóireacht a bheith againn ar an ábhar tábhachtach seo. Is mór an trua é go bhfuil an t-uafás daoine á marú ar na bóithre agus tá an-imní ar an Rialtas faoin méid daoine atá á marú. Táimid ag iarraidh pleananna nua a chur i gcrích chun go mbeadh feabhas ar an scéal seo chomh tapaidh agus is féidir. Níl sé ró-fhada ó shin ó cailleadh beirt bhall den Teach seo i dtimpistí bóthair.

Cuimhnimíd go háirithe ar ocáid mar seo go bhfuil beirt chara ón Teach seo imithe uainn de dheasca timpistí bóthair. Mar sin tá dualgas mór orainn rud fiúntach a dhéanamh chun go mbeadh feabhas ar an scéal agus go mbeadh tuiscint níos fearr ag daoine atá ag tiomáint go gcaithfidh siad a bheith i bhfad níos cúraimí ná mar a bhí siad go dtí seo.

I am grateful to the Senators who tabled the motion for giving the House an opportunity to discuss the most important subject of road safety. The Government has given me special responsibility for promoting road safety and I will carefully note all the points made during the debate in reviewing the road safety programme that has been in operation and seeking to formulate the new strategy in this area to which the Government is committed.

In 1996, 453 people died in road accidents and so far this year over 400 people have died on our roads. That Members of the House were tragically involved in those numbers has brought home to us the reality of fatal road accidents and the need to redouble our efforts to reduce them. Society should not be willing to pay such a high price for the use of our roads. I welcome, therefore, this opportunity to speak about the Government's intentions in this vital area.

Last month was a bad one for road safety. Provisional figures indicate that 48 people died in October. In response to this deterioration and to the public and political concern which it evoked, the Taoiseach with the Minister for the Environment and Local Government, Deputy Dempsey, recently took the unprecedented step of convening a high level meeting on road safety. This meeting was attended by the Taoiseach, the Minister for the Environment and Local Government, myself, senior personnel of Departments concerned and road safety agencies, including the Department of Justice, Equality and Law Reform, the Garda Síochána, the National Safety Council, the National Roads Authority and the Irish Insurance Federation.

The Taoiseach's message to those of us mandated with responsibility for road safety was that the current situation was unacceptable. He identified road safety as an urgent public health issue and one which the Government is determined to address, if necessary, with improved instruments and increased resources. At that meeting, the high level group on road safety was mandated by the Minister for the Environment and Local Government, Deputy Dempsey, to prepare a national strategy for road safety, under my direction as Minister of State with responsibility for road safety. This is a new and critically important initiative. A national strategy will provide better co-ordination and prioritisation of existing road safety activities and a platform for new initiatives. It will provide a full opportunity for assessing, and if necessary redirecting, our efforts to give better results.

The new road safety strategy will review all aspects of existing arrangements, measures and approaches. We will look to build on and improve our current performance in terms of education and promotion, enforcement, the regulatory environment and other critical factors. This is the first time a structured and systematic approach has been taken to road safety policy in Ireland. A similar strategic approach has been adopted by some of the countries in Europe with the best road safety records, including the Netherlands and Sweden, and I am confident that it will benefit Irish performance considerably.

There has been a steady, and in recent times a very marked, increase in the total amount of travel on Irish roads. This has risen from 18 billion vehicle kilometres in 1978 to around 34 billion in 1996. Thankfully, road accidents and fatalities have not risen in direct correlation with this trend. In fact, road fatalities over the 18 years decreased from 628 in 1978 to 453 last year. However, economic growth is undoubtedly a factor in the gradual increase in road accident numbers during the 1990s. For example, our road system in 1996 carried the same traffic volumes that only three years previously had been predicted for the year 2000. This is creating obvious problems for transport policy and administration on all fronts. However, the most critical challenge as we face into the new millennium is to keep road fatalities and injuries down in the face of increases in road traffic.

In facing this challenge and seeking new solutions we should not underestimate the impact and importance of measures taken up to now. I acknowledge the excellent work which has been done and which continues to be done by Departments and the road safety agencies. Successful measures have been adopted in the following areas among others. Recent regulations have improved vehicle safety standards in such areas as an increase in tyre thread depths, compulsory fitting of seat belts on all car seats — many people are still not aware that this includes front and rear seats — and fitting of speed governors in heavy goods vehicles. A comprehensive restructuring of drink driving law was carried out under the 1994 and 1995 Road Traffic Acts. Combined with high profile publicity and enforcement, this has led to a remarkable change in public attitudes and behaviour on this critical issue.

In relation to road infrastructure, my Department published a manual in 1996 on low cost remedial measures for accident blackspots and a comprehensive traffic signals manual for the guidance of local authorities. Major improvements have been made to road infrastructure and by the end of this year £3 million will have been spent by the National Roads Authority on their programme of low cost safety measures at 290 high accident locations on the national network. The NRA will complete work within two years on signage and delineation of the entire national primary route network and will complete within the next three years a programme of erecting signs on approaches to over 200 primary schools on all national roads at a cost of £1 million.

In the area of driving instruction, my Department has been active in seeking to improve standards. We have worked with the Irish Insurance Federation and the professions to develop better arrangements for ensuring quality service from driving instructors. Central to these efforts has been the introduction of a voluntary register of driving instructors which was established in June last year and which has been supported financially by my Department and the Irish Insurance Federation. The aim of the scheme is to improve the standard of instruction generally with the objective of improving driving standards, thereby making our roads safer.

New improved standards on the compulsory wearing of safety helmets by motor cyclists and pillion passengers have been introduced. This was in response to the disproportionately high involvement of motorcyclists in road accidents. More work needs to be done to improve safety in this group of road users. My Department has therefore recently requested the NRA to carry out a special analysis of motorcycle accidents in the past five years and to examine all the factors involved. The results of this analysis will be used to assist and inform decisions by the regulatory, enforcement and education agencies.

As the House is aware, comprehensive new traffic regulations came into force on 1 October this year. These regulations consolidated and updated existing legislation and introduced new provisions. These include enabling local authorities to prohibit the parking of heavy goods vehicles in residential areas, provision for the issue of disabled person's parking permits which apply nationally and making it an offence to park in a disabled person's parking bay without the necessary permit. The regulations also make it an offence to stop or park at a school entrance where the prohibitory road marking has been provided. On the spot fines for speeding offences were introduced by regulation almost a year ago.

Regarding enforcement, every year the Garda Síochána make thousands of arrests and there are over 250,000 prosecutions for road traffic offences. I welcome the establishment of the new Garda National Traffic Policy Bureau which was given the specific task of assisting in the reduction of road accidents. I commend the Garda on the implementation of Operation Lifesaver which is being extended on a phased basis to all parts of the country. That operation is a high profile enforcement initiative with particular emphasis on the key driving offences which cause road accidents. In the lead up to Christmas, the Garda and the National Safety Council will liaise to maximise the impact of this operation.

The National Safety Council has in the last ten years invested heavily in media and other promotional activities aimed at increasing public awareness of road safety and preventing and reducing accidents. In response to the recent serious situation, the Government has made an additional grant of £50,000 to the National Safety Council for increased promotional activity up to the end of this year. The council's most recent advertising campaign, launched last month, focuses on speeding. There is no doubt that speed is one of the primary factors in fatal road accidents. It is reported in "Road Accident Facts 1996" that, where a contributory action was specified in accident reports, the primary contributory action in fatal accidents involving at least one driver was "exceeded safe speed" in 41 per cent of cases. The new campaign appeals to all drivers, but especially to young males, to stop the serial killer inside themselves. It is a particularly hard-hitting advertisement and that is what we need. I was pleased to note the welcome for the campaign in the media from colleagues.

The objective of the campaign is to make excessive and inappropriate speeding socially unacceptable. We would all like to see a situation where it is no longer acceptable to boast in company about excessive and inappropriate speeding or about exceeding prescribed speed limits. A level of social unacceptability has now been very valuably and justifiably achieved in relation to drinking and driving. A similar culture change as regards speeding is critical to improving road safety in present circumstances.

The activities and actions which I have described generally have a national focus. However, there is much going on at local level and being achieved through the co-ordination of road safety efforts at city and county level. Working groups or committees have been established by most of the larger local authorities which have adopted the national multi-agency approach to solving the road accident problem. I welcome the joint efforts being made at local level by local authorities, the Garda, health boards, road user groups and other organisations across the spectrum of interest in the issue. It is important for those of us acting at national level to acknowledge this work being done at county, city and community level. I encourage Senators to network with local authority road safety committees and be fully associated with and support their work.

This leads to the individual road user who ultimately holds the key to solving the road accident problem in a very significant way. It is road user behaviour which dictates the level of deaths on our roads. Road users must take their responsibilities seriously and consider the consequences of their actions. That applies to all drivers in relation to drinking and driving, speeding, seat belt or helmet wearing. It applies to pedestrians walking on unlit roads in dark clothing without armbands or other reflective markers, to crossing roads in towns and cities without due regard to vehicle traffic and to walking in any place having consumed alcohol. We are wasting our time if our focus is only on Departments and agencies. We need public support for our actions and that support needs to be nurtured and encouraged on a continuous basis as we face the challenge of reducing the numbers and effects of road accidents.

The time has come for all of us to be more proactive on road safety. Society is demanding more action and is questioning the price we pay for the great dependence we have on road transport. The prevention and reduction of road accidents must be given a new impetus. I am determined, as the Minister charged with that responsibility, to achieve this. That is why the Government has directed that a national road safety strategy should be prepared and developed in the shortest possible time. Mindful of the acute human tragedy involved in road accidents, I look forward to co-operation in taking this important work forward. I would be pleased to come back to the House to debate the national road safety strategy when it has been formulated.

I welcome the Minister of State and also welcome the fact that he has been dedicated to this task. This debate is worthy of recognition because of recent carnage on the roads.

I agree fundamentally with everything that has been said. The problem about road deaths is one of attitude. We do not have the right attitudes to go with a society that, for the first time, enjoys a large car ownership. Road safety is the responsibility of several different arms of the State, and it is falling between them. It is attitude that results in failure to co-ordinate our efforts and results in murderous behaviour on the roads. That behaviour seems socially acceptable, whether it is driving with drink taken or driving at reckless speed. I recognise that a change has occurred regarding alcohol. Teenagers have a different attitude to that of 20, ten or even five years ago. I hear young people say they will not drive because they will be drinking. However, it is attitude that makes us fatalistic, treating road deaths as an inevitable price of progress, when there is nothing inevitable about this carnage.

We need only look at the United Kingdom which has a much more intensive level of car use. Our road death rate is twice as great as theirs. The fault lies with us because of our attitudes. This is what needs to be tackled, and I am delighted the Minister of State recognises it.

Let us be honest and admit that our efforts to change attitudes on road safety so far have brought very little results. We tend to blame the Garda for the high accident rate yet we seem to approve of frustrating its efforts. It was good last year to see a commitment in Dublin to make the traffic flow. There was a change in attitude. We supported the Garda efforts to make the freeflow system work. It was a minor, temporary measure which will resume next month, but it shows that attitudes must change before anything else does. I have a modest suggestion to make regarding the war against attitudes. It is based on the fact that part of our problem is we think road deaths are inevitable and we do not accept that there is anything much we can do about them.

However, we should pull out all the stops and prevent fatal road accidents for a single weekend. If we could all row together and achieve that, then our perceptions and attitudes would begin to change immediately. We could get a weekend free of deaths if we focused on it. If we concentrated all our efforts on just one weekend, had a massive publicity campaign focusing on just that target, making it socially unacceptable to take any of the risks that result in accidents, it would create an occasion like the Telethon fund raiser. I am always wearing my retailer's hat, and when one has a promotion it attracts attention for a weekend. If it is spread over months, people lose interest. The Telethon weekend attracts attention and focuses people. We should have people making an effort for one weekend to do everything that the National Road Safety Council suggests, such as pedestrians wearing light-coloured clothes and drivers not breaking pedestrian lights. We can be equally bad pedestrians as we are drivers. Cyclists should wear helmets. We have achieved much with motor-cyclists. If one goes to other countries one sees large numbers of motor-cyclists who do not wear helmets, but one seldom sees a motor-cyclist not wearing a helmet in Ireland. That attitude has been changed over the past 50 years.

If we could achieve that over one weekend, we would turn the corner towards success. We would show that this rising trend is not inevitable and that we can do something about this problem. With that changed perception, we could start to build on that success. Attacking this problem decisively will take great national will, for example, it will require the will to pass and implement tougher legislation but there is no point legislating if citizens do not support the legislation. At present people do not support legislation. They do not understand it and are not committed to it. If we could change public opinion we would have created the necessary basis for a much tougher legislative régime than that which exists. If we revere human life as much as we say we do, then we should at least try.

Last year I was visited by a Japanese retailer. I asked him how his thousands of stores had succeeded and what made him different from other retailers. He thought for a little while and then said that whether you believe you can or you cannot do, you are right. If you believe you can win a football match, then you are likely to do so but if you say you do not have a chance, then you will not win. We must change our attitude and believe we can tackle and solve this problem. If we have such an attitude, we can succeed.

I welcome the opportunity to debate this issue. Those of us who spend time driving on our roads know only too well what a frightening experience it can be at times. Many of the roads on which we travel are not in a fit condition to meet the bustling demands of modern day traffic. Some of our roads are in such a state of disrepair and neglect, particularly in the west, that they constitute a menace not only to drivers but to pedestrians and cyclists. Even the most careful and skilled driver travelling within the legal speed limit can lose control of a vehicle on a road with a worn out treacherous surface, too many bends and which is too narrow. Upgrading our road system to the much higher standards we find in other European countries is the fundamental prerequisite to reducing death and injury from car accidents and is an essential step to creating an environment of relative safety on the highways. Improvements are being made and funds from the EU have helped to give us better and safer roads but progress at a faster pace is required.

The number of vehicles on our roads is increasing at a breathtaking rate bringing a correspondent increase in the danger element. We can get an idea of how dangerous our roads are from the recent statistics quoted earlier. Last year 454 people died in road accidents, an increase of 4 per cent over the previous year. More than one person each day was killed on our roads. In the same year, the number of people injured increased by 5 per cent to 13,319. According to provisional estimates, 403 people have been killed on our roads so far this year. The heaviest concentration of deaths, which shocked us, occurred over a two week period when 28 people were killed. This is a truly horrendous statistic. We should not forget that these statistics are more than figures tabulated on a piece of paper — they represent people whose lives have been violently taken from them in a shocking tragic moment and who leave behind their loved ones who remain broken hearted for the rest of their days. The atrocious condition of our roads has contributed to many of these accidents but there are other serious factors involved in the seemingly endless carnage.

In these enlightened times one would think that nobody would sit behind the wheel of a car after drinking alcohol, yet each day there is an endless parade of people coming before the courts on drink driving charges. It is more than irresponsible for somebody to drink drive, it is one of the most contemptible crimes because the driver not only puts himself or herself in danger but is a lethal threat to others on the road. If we can apply the words "zero tolerance" to anything, it should be to drink driving. It is important to remember we are in the lead up to Christmas when people are often tempted to drive after two, three or four drinks.

A number of years ago there was a foolish campaign against drink driving which used the catchphrase "two will do" which meant one could get behind the wheel of a car after two shots of whiskey or two pints. It missed the point that even with one drink a person's ability to drive is impaired more than at any other time. The inflexible rule should be not to drink and drive. When one sees the madness on the roads, it is easy to understand why groups of women in America have set up the mothers against drink driving campaign.

Speed is another killer when a driver is not even under the influence of alcohol. Excessive speed is no excuse even if a person is rushing to catch a train or plane. Nowadays Irish roads are being used as if they were drag strips and racecourses with motorists tearing along as if they were racing in the Grand Prix. Although I will probably be accused of being sexist, I suggest men are the main culprits of reckless driving. Some seem to be transformed into aggressive macho creatures who must put the boot down in a power trip regardless of the dangers to others on the road. An insurance statistic supports this assertion. It has been suggested that speed was the main factor in some of the dreadful car accidents which claimed so many lives recently. That does not surprise me nor I am surprised by suggestions that car engines should be regulated to prevent people exceeding a certain speed. I do not believe mechanical regulation is practical or would be acceptable to motorists no matter how desirable.

A radical change in the mindset of motorists who believe they have a God given right to travel at ridiculous speed without the slightest regard to the lives of others would bring about a climate of safety on our roads. More severe enforcement of driving laws are needed to get this message across so people will know what they are doing is criminal. Other similar measures, such as those announced by the Minister this evening, are welcome. Ideas relating to advanced driving tests and tuition should also be looked at. The points system for those caught committing driving offences should be examined. I welcome the initiatives taken by the Minister's Department. As we approach the end of the year I hope we will see a reduction of 20 to 25 per cent in the number killed on our roads daily.

I applaud my Progressive Democrat colleagues, in particular Senator Quill, for tabling this appropriate motion. Over the years Senator Quill has shown an interest in the number of road deaths. It is only a few weeks since we spoke about a fellow Senator who died in tragic circumstances. That accident occurred on an open road and the cause was speeding, not by the Senator in question but by others who were apparently acting in an irresponsible fashion. Last week there was another near tragedy when a school bus on the Chapelizod-Lucan bypass turned over while trying to avoid a wandering horse. These two instances brought to our attention the horrific prospect of deaths on our roads and the potential for a greater tragedy.

The Minister said there were 48 road deaths this October which exceeds the corresponding figure for last year. With over 400 deaths already this year, if there is the same number of deaths in November and December, we will have far exceeded last year's total figures. This would be a tragedy considering the new initiatives which have been introduced — the National Traffic Policy Bureau and Operation Lifesaver, both under the auspices of the Garda Síochána.

We face a severe test in coping with the carnage on our roads. The total number of deaths in 1996 was 453, in 1995 the figure was 433 and in 1994, 404. As regards the number of speeding convictions over the same period, in 1994 the figure was 32,293, decreasing in 1995 to 30,805 and in 1996 to 29,132. There is an obverse ratio in that while the number of deaths is increasing, the number of speeding convictions are decreasing. How can this contradiction be explained? Is speeding the main cause of death? Are there statistics to back this up? Do we have enough information from the scenes of fatal accidents to confirm this? Is the corollary of this that law enforcers are remiss in bringing cases before the courts or are the courts too lenient?

The number of deaths in the past couple of years is well in excess of 10 times the murder rate. In 1996, 42 people were murdered and 453 people died on the roads. If the murder rate increased to anything around this level, there would be a huge outcry and demand for immediate action. The Government's powers and resources to stem this tide would have to be examined. However, the figures are stark and the number of deaths on our roads horrific. The situation in Northern Ireland was similar. Far more people died each year from fatalities on roads than in the Troubles. However, the public imagination seemed to be concerned with deaths caused by the Troubles. If terrorists claimed the lives of 453 people annually on roads in the Republic, what legislation would be introduced? What powers would be given to the appropriate authorities to deal with it? The public outcry to ensure their implementation would be colossal.

In the courts, speeding is dealt with as a summary offence, carrying a maximum fine of £150 although the judge has the discretion to endorse a driving licence following a conviction. This is seldom utilised unless there is evidence of dangerous driving or a serious accessory problem. Should we deal with this matter as a summary offence and should there be a fine of this nature? Should an endorsement be made compulsory? The human tragedy is colossal and cannot be estimated financially, but the economic loss in terms of insurance and capital fallout is estimated at about £850,000 for each fatality.

This is a serious problem and despite recent measures the trend is getting worse. As we are in the process of reforming local authorities and giving them extra funding, perhaps they should be given responsibility for the policing of traffic. Dublin Corporation will take control of traffic policing and we have already appointed a director of traffic. However, is it appropriate for the Garda which has responsibility for dealing with all criminal elements, to be burdened with parking, traffic and fines? We should consider a traffic police force and perhaps we might make more progress.

It is worrying that there are so many fatal and serious accidents they sometimes no longer warrant a mention in the headlines. Last week I heard someone say: "Anyone who drives faster than me is a lunatic and anyone who drives slower than me is a nuisance". This highlights the attitude we all have — that we are the best drivers on the road and that many of those around us need a few lessons.

There are a number of reasons for the increase in road carnage. These include the improvements in our roads and road surfaces in the past number of years. A greater influence is the increase in the number of car models available. The days are gone when "bangers" could be seen on our roads, which is possibly due to the car scrappage scheme. However, there is no doubt that an increase in car size and power has a great deal to do with speeding. The car seems to have become an extension of the home, particularly in urban areas. It is a dressing room, beauty salon, barber shop, reading room, office and disco.

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One also sees people driving while using mobile phones, reading the newspaper, shaving or putting on lipstick. There is often music blaring in the background so one wonders how they have time to concentrate on driving. I am sure I could also be accused of doing some of those things while driving.

It is unfair to constantly blame young people for causing problems on our roads. However, young people take numerous driving lessons and, in some cases, two or three driving tests, so they are probably better equipped than the older generation to drive a car. Many older people have developed bad habits over the years and I often see them changing lanes without indicating. Perhaps refresher courses should be introduced for drivers. There is no doubt that young people have greater access to cars than they did a few years ago. They now seem to get cars on their eighteenth birthday.

Drink driving continues to be a problem in rural areas and the older generation seems to be the greatest culprit. The younger generation appears to be more responsible and they will always order a taxi or arrange for somebody to drive. It is often the person who goes to the local pub for a pint and then stays for two or three who will attempt to drive home. The roads in my area are dangerous at any time of the night once the local pub is closed.

Speed is also a problem. We all exceed the speed limit at times. It is as if people cannot get from one place to another fast enough. Greater emphasis must be placed on law enforcement if we want to prevent the carnage of our roads. There are certain places in my county where I will slow down because I expect to see the gardaí. A Garda presence has a great influence, particularly in rural areas. While I welcome on the spot fines, I would increase them and, after a number of offences, confiscate the licences. The only way to teach people a lesson is through their pockets.

I welcome the recent launch of the television advertisement which brings home to people that anybody can be a serial killer. This will be of benefit but it is not a long-term solution. We must educate our children and young people about their responsibility towards pedestrians and cyclists. There is no doubt this is a problem in urban areas. We need to enforce the regulations and to hit motorists where it hurts most, their pockets, while at the same endorsing their licences.

Ba mhaith liom fáilte a chur roimh an Aire anseo agus roimh an rud atá ar siúl aige ar son na ndaoine fad-téarmacha san Oireachtas. Nuair a bhí sé ina Aire Rialtais cheana ní raibh sé sa Roinn Chomhshaoil ach sa Roinn Rialtais Áitiúil. Measaim gurb ansin a tosaíodh ar athchóiriú a dhéanamh ar na rialacha tiomána agus ar na rialacha bóthair sa tír seo.

Thug sé caibidil amháin in a óráid anseo don bhaint idir an t-ól and an tiomáint ach níor dhein sé aon tagairt don bhaint idir an tiomáint agus drugaí. Nílim ag caint anseo faoi dhrugaí mídhleathacha ach faoi dhrugaí leighis agus mar sin de. Nuair a tógtar duine isteach go dtí stáisiún na ngardaí chun scrúdú a dhéanamh air measaim nach bhfuil an scrúdú fairsing go leor ar a tógtar ón duine. B'fhéidir go gcasfaidh an tAire súil ar an bhfadhb nó ar an bhfaillí seo nuair a bheidh sé thar n-ais ina oifig ag féachaint ar an díospóireacht seo. I ndeireadh na dála tá fhios ag gach duine sa Teach seo go mbraitheann sé ar an duine atá taobh thiar den roth tiomána nó atá ag siúl ar an mbóthar go mór mór sa gheimhreadh. Nó braitheann sé ar an duine atá ag tiomáint gluais-rothair. Caithfear na daoine seo a oiliúint chun cúram a thabhairt dóibh féin agus do dhaoine eile atá ag baint úsáid as na bóithre.

Everybody in this House has numerous gripes about driving. Deputies, Senators and public representatives clock up much mileage each year. People seem to undergo a personality change when they sit behind the wheel of a car or use a telephone. When the two are combined, it is a lethal cocktail. We have all seen the gentleman driving his car at high speed while talking on his mobile phone. He is probably not driving the car, but aiming it at the road to the detriment of everyone else.

Senator Doyle said that speed kills. It does not matter if a person is hit by a car at 20, 50 or 100 miles an hour because the damage I have seen in this city's casualty departments is extensive. The lucky people — I say this with caution — are probably those who are killed. As part of their driving education, learner drivers should be taken to the national rehabilitation centre in Rochestown Avenue to see what happens people who survive car crashes with their faculties severely damaged, or to St. Mary's in the Phoenix Park which has a unit for young, damaged people who can no longer look after themselves.

The statistics have already been mentioned. Comprehensive radial routes out of Dublin city are being introduced at the moment, one of the features of which are bicycle lanes. Anybody who cycles, as I do, realises that if a lorry travelling at over 40 miles an hour passes within a couple of feet of them they have very little hope of not being dragged under the lorry. We are proposing to paint bicycle lanes on the streets but we need to physically separate such lanes from motorised traffic. Anyone who wants to see the ultimate lunacy should go to the Four Courts on the north quays of the Liffey where a bicycle lane, on which I have cycled, has been painted inside a bus lane. Buses in the city can travel at speeds of up to 60 miles an hour. In fact, buses were clocked travelling at 70 miles an hour on the Clonee bypass. Cyclists can feel the pull of such buses, from which they are separated by only a painted line. This is ridiculous. We should either have no cycle lanes or physically separate them from motorised traffic.

Many elderly pedestrians have no comprehension of the danger in which they place themselves, especially on unlit country roads at night. I do a fair amount of driving in the country and, as the Minister said, such people wear dark clothing on unlit roads and one has to brake to avoid them, even when travelling at 30 miles per hour.

I welcome the introduction of motor vehicle testing which will be carried out by an independent body. This body will have no car repair function but will examine cars and provide a list of problems to be solved. I hope their first priority will be car lights. I am sure when Members drive home to their constituencies this weekend they will encounter the "one eyed bandits". These are the drivers of cars which have only one headlight on, usually the inside headlight. They are either too careless or mean to get the outside headlight fixed. These people do terrible damage on the roads because other drivers have very little time to take evasive action.

Road accidents are caused by a multiplicity of factors, including speed, drink, carelessness and bad manners. There seems to be a rising incidence of bad manners on the road. One sees white knuckled drivers rushing to work who grind their teeth as they try to get ahead of other cars. Road courtesy should be an integral part of any training scheme for drivers.

Aontaím leis an rún seo. Ba mhaith liom mo chomhghairdeas a ghabháil leis na daoine a mhol an rún.

I hope some of my observations will help the Minister and those who are trying to make our roads safer. I probably cover more mileage than any other Member in driving the 220 miles between my home and this House every week. I spend about 15 hours a week driving a car.

Newspaper photographs of car accidents in which at least one car is completely mangled tell us quite clearly that speed kills. It is not always the case that both cars were speeding but if one car is speeding it will damage the other car involved in the accident. There is also no doubt that one cannot drink and drive. It is suicidal to drive a car after drinking. I have seen people do many stupid things on the road over the course of my travels.

Every year we spend a great deal of money on roads and they are improving. However, many serious accidents do not occur on bad roads but on ones which have been improved and widened. For example, a number of horrific accidents have occurred on the road from Adare to Newcastlewest. No accidents should occur on that road which is 50 yards wide. It is difficult to understand why there have been at least three head-on collisions on that road which has enough room for eight lanes of traffic. Such accidents are probably caused by slow drivers who refuse to move from the centre of the road. I also blame fast drivers and those who drink and drive, but we must take into account slow drivers who hog the middle of the road and refuse to let anyone pass them without crossing the line.

The Minister should assess the standards applied to those taking a driving test. Such people can usually recite the rules of the road backwards, but they are rarely required to drive any faster than 30 miles an hour because they are usually driving in a town. Has any driver ever been tested in conditions where they had to drive at 50 or 60 miles an hour? As soon as they leave the driving tester they drive home at 60 miles an hour. They are not capable of driving at such speeds because they do not have enough experience.

I would also favour the compulsory testing of cars. The first test should be carried out on headlights. At least 75 per cent of night-time drivers do not realise they have glaring fog lamps on at the rear of their car. It is crazy that I have to drive to Dingle for six hours behind glaring red lights when there is no fog whatsoever. More than likely when there is fog they will not have them on at all and you will run into the back of their cars. We have all seen cars with loose lights. These are spot lamps that are put on after the car is bought. You would think people were trying to dazzle rabbits with these lights. One of the lights points at the sky and the other straight in your eye. The lights are bouncing because they are loose. When you look at the cars of these speed merchants it is like Christmas with a type of fairy lights whizzing around the back window continuously. Let us get rid of the embellishments on cars and all these crazy lights that run all over the back window and indeed the front window in cases. They should be banned.

I always thought that there was a law whereby the only notices permitted on the windscreen of a car were the tax and insurance discs. Some of the windows of articulated trucks are so dotted with all sorts of stickers that the drivers are looking out through a little hole to find the way. I would like to see Garda checkpoints at night to check people who are not dipping their lights. I drove a lorry for seven years and I know that lights do not bother lorry drivers. They are up so high that it makes no difference to them so they let whatever is coming have the lights because they are going to see the road anyway.

There is a big difference in the speed at which lorries and buses travel. If an articulated lorry stops at high speed it will, more than likely, jack-knife. If you try to stop a truck with 30 tons on it trundling down at high speed you cannot do it. Trucks often pass me on the dual carriageway at 60 or 70 miles per hour and they travel in convoy as well. You think when you go to pass one out you are safe and all of a sudden there is another one and there is not room to pull in. It is time to put the foot down — not on the pedal but on the drivers. I welcome all that the Minister is doing. I hope that this debate might save even one life because this has been a bad month for accidents. Instead of being put off the road for speeding would it not be better to have some sort of sticker where for two years, if drivers were caught exceeding 50 miles per hour, they would be pulled up. That would slow them down fairly fast.

At the outset I want to thank all of the Members who contributed so well to this debate and to say that, as a result, a number of very practical and good ideas as to how this problem could be tackled have been put before the Minister. I have no doubt but that these ideas will become part of the new national strategy of which the Minister spoke. I particularly want to thank the Minister for coming this evening. I am very encouraged by the fact that the Government has taken this issue so seriously since its formation and that this Minister, in particular, has been given the responsibility for this issue with a view to effecting a sizeable reduction in the number of road accidents, fatal and otherwise.

A number of years ago the same Minister tackled water safety and put in place a strategy that yielded tremendously good results. I am looking forward to the same measure of success with his new road safety strategy. It is important that there is a very comprehensive and integrated approach to this problem. That is why I am glad we are not just making an odd stab at it now and then when an accident occurs and forgetting about it until the next accident happens. I am glad that the Minister is setting about this in a totally planned and scientific way. He has said that he would be willing to debate the national road strategy in this House. I look forward to that and I hope he does so. At the end of the day, the Minister knows that it is enforcement that counts. We can have the best strategy in the world but unless that strategy is implemented rigidly and comprehensively we will not get the type of results that we all want. It is important that we have not alone the strategy but the resources and the will to implement it. That is the key. I hope this will happen very soon and that in his current term of office the Minister will see this through to the point where fatal road accidents are an abnormality and something to be wondered at rather than something that happens every day.

Mention was made of driver attitude. The single most important challenge that we have to face is to bring about a fundamental shift in the attitude and skills of those behind the wheel. If we can do that then we will succeed. It will take time, patience and skill but I would like to see that happen. That, more than anything less, would be a formula for success.

In a number of schools, in transition year, there are some driving and road safety programmes as part of a young person's essential education. It is just as important for a young person to learn to become a safe and competent driver as it is to master any of the many technologies they now need to make a successful career. I would like to see driving skills and road safety as an essential element in transition year in schools. That is where you start. If you get at people when they are young and influence their attitudes at that point then you will hope to succeed. The three elements that are the cornerstone of any strategy and policy are education, enforcement and engineering. I have every confidence that this Minister will effect an enormous improvement and that we can look forward to better times when our roads will not be graveyards for so many people but places where people can drive and walk in safety and comfort.

Yesterday was Remembrance Day. Every year, on Remembrance Day, right minded people pledge that never again will people be killed in their masses. I would like to see us enter a new year, when with our hands on our hearts, we could say that never again will people be killed on our roads in the numbers in which they have been killed in the past.

Question put and agreed.
Sitting suspended at 7.50 p.m. and resumed at 8 p.m.
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