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Seanad Éireann díospóireacht -
Thursday, 11 Dec 1997

Vol. 153 No. 3

Social Housing Policy: Statements.

Sula dtosaím ag caint ar an ábhar atá os ár gcomhair, sé sin polasaí sóisialta tithíochta an Rialtais, ba mhaith liom comhbhrón a dhéanamh le muintir Chluain Meala as ucht na tubaiste a tharla — go háirithe agus muid díreach os comhair na Nollag. Tharla a leithéid i mo chathair féin ach, buíochas le Dia, tar éis do gach uile dhuine oibriú le chéile tháinig feabhas ar an scéal agus tá an chathair ag dul ar aghaidh i gcónaí. Tá súil agam go n-éireoidh le muintir Chluain Meala na deacrachtaí atá os a gcomhair faoi láthair a shárú agus go dtiocfaidh tairbhe as an fhadhb seo atá os a gcomhair.

I welcome today's opportunity to focus attention on the Government's social housing policy. Decent housing is a necessity of life. Decent housing for all our people has for many years been, and continues to be, a basic concern of Government. The Government's Action Programme for the Millennium states our commitment to the deeply held ideal of so many people - home ownership — and also identifies a number of key priorities which include: a continuing house construction programme by local authorities and voluntary housing bodies; improvement and extension of the range of social housing options; refurbishment of existing inadequate housing and action on behalf of homeless people and travellers.

Successive Governments have subscribed to the same broad overall aim for housing policy, which is: "to enable every household to have available an affordable dwelling of good quality, suited to its needs, in a good environment and, as far as possible, at the tenure of its choice." This policy has stood the test of time and has enabled significant development in our response to changing housing needs over the years.

In the strategy for realising this aim, the guiding principle is that those who can afford to provide housing from their own resources should do so with the aid of the fiscal incentives available, as appropriate. Those unable to provide adequate and appropriate housing from their own resources should have access to social housing. In the past this almost invariably meant local authority housing but more recently it embraces a wide range of social housing options. It is with the needs of those unable to provide housing from their own resources and the response to these needs that I will now concentrate my remarks.

The thrust of our current social housing policy is based on the 1991 housing policy document "A Plan for Social Housing" which sets out the range of social housing measures now operated by my Department and the local authorities. "A Plan for Social Housing" was, in many ways, a ground breaking document. It radically redirected social housing policy away from the traditional single solution of building local authority housing. It brought to the fore many important concepts, such as counteracting social segregation which had not previously been a major objective of housing policy. It brought choice into the social housing area in a radical way through programmes to expand housing provision by the voluntary sector, including the introduction of the rental subsidy scheme. It encouraged local authorities to consider systematically the purchase of existing houses to meet needs as opposed to relying almost exclusively on building new housing. By means of the shared ownership scheme, home ownership was made available to persons who previously could not have aspired to owning their own homes. The plan increased the emphasis on better management of the public housing stock and introduced quality as a keyword in the area of social housing provision and management.

The social housing landscape has changed radically on foot of the new thinking contained in "A Plan for Social Housing". Moreover, there has also been an enormous increase in recent years in the financial resources directed to my Department's social housing programmes. Capital funding for social housing in 1998 will amount to some £372 million compared to £152 million as recently as 1993.

Social housing provision has grown in line with availability of finance. The social housing needs of about 10,000 households are now being met each year compared to just over 6,000 in 1992. We have also seen diversification in social housing output. Output from the voluntary housing sector is currently almost twice the 1992 level. Over 6,000 households have availed of shared ownership since its introduction.

As Minister with responsibility for housing, my main priorities in the social housing area are securing adequate resources for the various programmes, ensuring that the individual social housing schemes continue to respond effectively to needs and developing, as appropriate, new ways and means of tackling social housing needs.

The recently published 1998 Estimates of Expenditure reveal an overall provision of £453 million for the housing programmes under the aegis of my Department. This represents an increase of almost 14 per cent on the estimated expenditure this year. Local authority housing remains the mainstay of our response to social housing need. The provision of over £214 million for the local authority housing programme represents an increase of £40 million or nearly 23 per cent on the estimated expenditure for 1997. This will enable local authorities to meet commitments on their ongoing programmes and to fund a programme of 3,900 new starts or acquisitions in 1998 compared to an outturn of about 3,500 in 1997.

The local authority housing programme of the late 1990s is fundamentally different in character to that of previous decades. A key policy consideration is to provide housing in a manner which does not contribute to or reinforce social segregation. Local authorities are now providing housing in small, well designed schemes often on infill sites and without recourse, as in the past, to large estates on greenfield sites at the edges of our cities and towns. This new approach can be crucial in redeveloping rundown areas of our towns and cities. New housing brings people and life to an area. The provision of a new infill housing scheme can act as a catalyst for the renewal of an obsolete, rundown or underutilised area. As well as revitalising our urban centres, housing in infill locations provides a quality environment for residents, especially older or disabled people, in close proximity to shops, churches and other services.

I also recognise the need to provide local authority housing in rural areas to meet the needs of these areas. The expanded local authority programme is and should increasingly respond to needs in a much more sensitive, flexible and socially aware manner than in the past.

The 1998 provision for local authority housing also includes £20 million to get the redevelopment of Ballymun underway. The redevelopment project, including the provision of replacement housing, is estimated to cost some £180 million — at 1996 prices — and to span an eight year period. New housing to replace the existing flat complexes will be the key element in an integrated strategic plan for the social and economic regeneration of Ballymun as a whole. The redevelopment project will transform Ballymun into a vibrant new town capable of contributing to and benefiting from our current economic and social progress. The aim of the plan is to get Ballymun working as a town which caters for all local needs, attracts public and private investment, provides employment and embodies a better mix of housing in a rejuvenated physical environment.

A new company, Ballymun Regeneration Limited, has been set up by Dublin Corporation and is currently overseeing the preparation of the strategic plan in consultation with the local community which is represented on the board of the company and which will be involved at all stages in the implementation of the plan. The company recently held an open day for all the residents of Ballymun to hear their views on how the redevelopment should take place.

The Government is committed to alleviating the housing conditions of elderly persons living alone in unfit or insanitary accommodation. The elderly deserve our special consideration and their needs should be addressed with the minimum of formality and red-tape. The Task Force on Special Housing Aid for the Elderly provides this type of service. I am, therefore, pleased that an additional £750,000 has been provided in the budget to bring the 1998 provision for the task force to some £5 million — an increase of 21 per cent on the 1997 outturn.

This scheme provides assistance for any works that are considered urgently necessary to improve living conditions and, typically, would include necessary repairs and improvements to doors, windows and roofs; the provision of water and sewerage, food storage facilities, etc. It is funded by my Department but is operated on the ground by the health boards. The health boards are, of course, the agency primarily concerned with the well-being of the elderly and have been able to use the scheme in conjunction with their other services to the elderly with a minimum of formality and to good effect. Since its inception in 1982, the housing conditions of some 30,000 elderly households have been improved under this very worthwhile and cost effective scheme.

The voluntary housing sector is now established as a key element in the social housing system bringing with it many unique and positive features and a more diverse and sophisticated approach to meeting social housing needs. This is particularly the case in our response to special needs such as the elderly, the homeless and people with disabilities. The voluntary housing sector also encourages people towards a greater sense of responsibility for their own housing and housing estates, encourages co-operation and partnership and helps to foster participation in, rather than alienation from, the local community.

I recognise and appreciate the great efforts of the many voluntary housing groups in the provision and management of social housing. With the expansion of the sector in recent years, some voluntary housing bodies are relatively new in the field but some, such as the Iveagh Trust, have been providing and managing housing for the less well off members of our community for over 100 years. I am, and will continue to be, very supportive of their efforts.

Recently, there was a regrettable slow down in voluntary housing activity after a period of sustained growth. The voluntary housing sector provided around 1,000 housing units in 1995 but this declined to just over 900 last year. This year the best we can hope for is a further 900 completed units. This downward trend has resulted principally from increases in building costs which have not been matched by improvements in the level of the assistance available under the voluntary housing schemes. I was aware of the serious difficulty faced by voluntary housing organisations as the gap between what was available under the capital assistance scheme in particular and actual building costs widened. Accordingly, one of my immediate priorities on taking office was to review the full range of social housing measures with particular reference to the voluntary housing schemes.

On 13 November last I was happy to announce a comprehensive package of improvements to the range of social housing measures, including the capital assistance and rental subsidy schemes. The changes made to the voluntary housing schemes were significant and will, I hope, help to restore the positive growth momentum which had been built up but which had faltered over the past year or so. Bearing in mind the lessons of the past, I will do my utmost to ensure that the levels of assistance available under the schemes will in future remain in line with the real costs faced by voluntary housing organisations.

The capital assistance scheme has, over the years, focused largely on meeting special housing needs — the needs of older people, people with disabilities, the homeless. It is a straightforward effective scheme with a long and successful track record. I want its success to continue. I, therefore, increased the maximum assistance for one and two person units from £27,000 to £32,000, and for family type housing, from £33,000 to £40,000.

In addition, l have also taken the opportunity to refine the scheme somewhat. It is a fact of life that it is more expensive to provide housing in some locations than in others. I, therefore, introduced for the first time under the scheme higher levels of assistance in the Dublin area and in the cities of Cork, Galway, Limerick and Waterford. In these areas, maximum assistance of £36,000 will be available for one and two person units and £43,000 for family type housing. These new limits are £9,000 and £10,000, respectively, higher than what was available prior to my announcement.

There are, however, other areas where building costs are even higher than in our major urban centres whose needs may in the past have tended to be overlooked. I refer, of course, to a long standing concern of mine, improving the conditions for the population who live on our offshore islands. I have seen the regrettable circumstances of elderly persons having to leave their homes and neighbours on the islands often never to return because the type of sheltered supportive accommodation they needed was simply not available on an island.

I decided that the significant additional costs of transporting labour and building materials by sea to the islands warrants specific recognition under the voluntary housing schemes. The overall maximum unit cost limits on offshore islands are now £5,000 per unit higher than the limits applying in urban areas. This means that where assistance of £27,000 was previously available to provide a one or two person unit of accommodation on an island under the voluntary housing capital assistance scheme, £41,000 is now available. The limit for the larger units is going up from £33,000 to £48,000. I look forward to seeing voluntary housing projects on the islands and, indeed, not solely for the elderly.

I recognised that these new levels of assistance were overdue. Accordingly, the increases are being applied to voluntary housing commenced on or after 1 July, 1997. This is practical recognition in a real sense and a "thank you" to those bodies that stuck with their projects in the hope that revised limits would be introduced in a way that would help bridge the shortfall between the actual building costs and what was available under the schemes.

With regard to the rental subsidy scheme, l increased the unit cost limits from £41,000 to £47,000 and the higher limit for certain built up areas from £46,000 to £53,000. In addition, the limits for the islands will be £58,000 per unit. I also acceded to a long standing request of the voluntary sector that the management and maintenance allowance be increased from 1.5 per cent to 2 per cent. This applies with effect from the subsidy year commenced on 1 July last. I believe this is an important development which will help to ensure that adequate funding is in place to provide for the long-term maintenance and improvement of our stock of rental subsidy dwellings.

In response to concerns which were put to me, l reduced rents under the scheme, both for the tenants and for subsidiary earners. This is achieved by reducing the basis on which rent is assessed from a current level of 20p in the pound to 18p in the pound. I also introduced, for the first time, a cap of £20 per week on the rent payable by any subsidiary earner. These amendments were also backdated to 1 July last.

I had also been aware that the income limits for the scheme operated in effect to confine the scheme to the lowest income groups and even precluded, on income grounds, some households who could qualify for local authority housing. Accordingly, l introduced two important changes to the eligibility criteria. First, the current income limit of £9,000 per annum for 75 per cent of tenants in a project was increased with immediate effect to £10,000. Second, and more importantly, the income limit of £11,000 per annum which applied to the balance of tenancies was removed where the applicant is approved for local authority housing. As a result, while the scheme will retain its objective of focusing on the needs of low income families, voluntary housing bodies will not in the future be forced to turn away households approved for local authority housing on the grounds that their income was too high.

One of the most valuable aspects of the voluntary housing movement is the way in which it successfully builds communities and fosters a spirit of co-operation and partnership. I recognise that it is fundamentally important to the success of housing projects that adequate assistance be available to provide communal facilities. I, therefore, increased the assistance available in respect of communal facilities from £2,000 to £3,000 per unit of accommodation, backdated to 1 July, 1997. The previous overall limit of assistance of £80,000 for each rental subsidy project was increased to £100,000.

The measures which I have already taken are testament to my faith, and that of the Government, in the relevance and future of voluntary housing. I believe that growth and momentum in the voluntary housing movement will be restored as we move towards the next millennium.

I have also improved the terms of the shared ownership scheme. This scheme assists those on the margins of home ownership who wish to own their own home but are unable to do so under traditional mortgage arrangements. Since its introduction, the shared ownership option has been availed of by more than 6,000 households, many of whom would otherwise have had to rely on local authorities to meet their housing needs. My aim is to continue the success of that scheme.

Many challenges remain. At this time of the year, we tend to think particularly of the plight of homeless people. Since 1988, local authorities have had wide and flexible powers to address the accommodation needs of homeless people. Generally, they have been making good use of .these powers. One can get some appreciation of local authorities' increased activity in recent years in this area from the remarkable increase in their day-to-day expenditure on securing accommodation for homeless persons. My Department recoups 90 per cent of this expenditure to local authorities and recoupments from my Department have grown from about £7,000 in 1989 to £6 million this year. A significant amount of recent expenditure relates to the provision of emergency accommodation for the increasing number of asylum seekers in the Dublin area.

The expansion of local authority and social housing provision in recent years has benefited homeless people in common with other categories of housing need. The voluntary housing capital assistance scheme has been particularly successful in meeting the accommodation needs of the homeless. Since my appointment as Minister I have visited several of the Dublin hostels and met the voluntary body personnel operating them. I was very impressed by the dedication shown by these personnel and, indeed, the response to the needs of homeless people in the Dublin area and elsewhere is very much dependent on the voluntary sector. I want to pay particular tribute to the many voluntary organisations and individuals who work with, and on behalf of, homeless people.

I look forward to continued productive partnership between the State and voluntary sectors on behalf of the homeless along the lines of the Dublin homeless initiative, which involves the Dublin local authorities, the Eastern Health Board and voluntary organisations working together to deliver a comprehensive range of services to meet the needs of the homeless. I recently approved funding of £1.5 million for Dublin Corporation to purchase and redevelop premises in Marlborough Place as a hostel for homeless people. The corporation will carry out these works early next year.

There is a need to continue to improve living conditions in social housing estates. My Department helps improve the physical condition of local authority housing through the remedial works programme and the bathrooms subprogramme. Over £170 million has been made available to local authorities since 1985 for the improvement and upgrading of substandard local authority housing, pre-1940 dwellings and run down urban estates. In that time, major improvements have been carried out to some 9,500 houses and works are underway or are about to be commenced on a further 6,000. In addition, local authorities spend some £100 million annually on the maintenance and management of their housing stock. I encourage local authorities to achieve better value from this expenditure, improved local involvement in estate management and a lasting commitment from tenants to their housing.

The Housing (Miscellaneous Provisions) Act, 1997, came into force with effect from 1 July 1997. Its primary purpose is to provide for a range of measures to assist housing authorities and approved voluntary bodies in addressing problems arising on their housing estates from drug dealing and serious antisocial behaviour. The Act forms part of a wider range of measures undertaken by the Government to deal with the issue of drugs and related crime. It is designed to assist housing authorities discharge their housing estate management function in a positive manner in conjunction with various other initiatives taken to promote improved estate management. These new powers are designed to help housing authorities and voluntary housing bodies with the ongoing management of their housing estates. More importantly, however, they are designed to help individuals to live and local communities to develop in an environment where statutory organisations can act against serious antisocial and drug related activities. A key element in the successful operation of the provisions in the 1997 Act is the need for a co-ordinated approach involving local authorities, other statutory agencies — particularly the Garda and the health boards — voluntary housing organisations, tenants and representative groups.

An Action Programme for the Millennium commits the Government to delivering a new deal for travellers. I intend to put in place the legislative and administrative framework necessary to deliver the required accommodation within a reasonable period of time. Legislation, which is urgently being drafted, will impose an obligation on housing authorities for the first time to adopt five year programmes for the provision of accommodation required to meet the needs of travellers.

Accommodation to be provided will range from standard and group housing to permanent residential caravan parks and transient halting sites. Assistance will also be available under the improved social housing options, either directly to travellers or to approved voluntary bodies acting on their behalf, to supplement accommodation provided by local authorities. Accommodation will be built to high standards, and to this end I recently published revised guidelines for residential caravan parks for travellers. Further guidelines in relation to other forms of accommodation are being prepared in consultation with the National Traveller Accommodation Consultative Group on which national travellers organisations are represented.

Programmes will be required to address the existing backlog in meeting needs and also to meet the expected increase in demand during their life. Programmes must be prepared in consultation with travellers through consultative committees to be set up in each area. Provision will also be made for the public to comment on the draft programmes and to have their views taken into account before the programmes are adopted. Financial assistance is available to local authorities for improved management and maintenance of halting sites, including the encouragement of pilot initiatives to facilitate greater participation by travellers in this area.

Supplementation of private rents through the Department of Social, Community and Family Affairs's supplementary welfare allowance scheme has assumed a significant role in recent years. Expenditure on rent supplementation has grown from just £6 million in 1989 to over £80 million in 1997. Notwithstanding the scale of the cost increase, this form of income support is now recognised as an appropriate and cost effective response to certain social housing needs. It is important, however, to ensure maximum value for the money spent. My priority in this area will be to achieve greater ongoing co-ordination between the local authorities and the health boards in the delivery of their local services which impact on housing in accordance with the commitment in An Action Programme for the Millennium to maximise co-ordination of housing policy.

There is significant concern about the affordability of housing having regard to trends in house prices. As a consequence, I have appointed consultants to undertake a study of the factors underlying recent increases in house prices. The study will involve an analysis of the main factors influencing increases in house prices since 1994, with particular emphasis on the situation in the Dublin region. The consultants will also assess likely future developments in the housing market generally and their effects on the affordability of housing. I hope to have the findings available to me next March.

However, in advance of the consultants' report, a number of positive steps have been taken. A special £15 million fund over three years has been established specifically for the purpose of providing water and sewerage services which are required to open up land for housing and other development. The fund will generate an investment of some £35 million to £40 million in such works over its lifespan. In addition, in revising the terms of the various social housing measures including the voluntary housing and shared ownership schemes, I was particularly conscious of the need to take account, as far as possible, of increases in house prices and construction costs.

In conclusion, I acknowledge that successive Governments have accorded social housing considerable priority in their programmes. I intend to continue this priority. In particular, this Government is delivering on its commitments in the social housing area through increased financial resources, significant improvements to the social housing options and ongoing work in a number of important areas, including affordability of housing and the need to promote the conservation and improvement of the housing stock, both private and public.

Social housing policy is now about much more than bricks and mortar and the simple numbers game it once was. It is about building lasting communities and addressing new needs in an appropriate and flexible way as they emerge. Our responses to these changing needs must constantly evolve if they are to remain relevant. I look forward to hearing the views of Members of the House on social housing policy today and assure them I will take careful note of what is said.

I welcome the Minister to the House and I also welcome the comprehensive statement he made on social housing. The reason we are taking statements on this is because of the recent escalation in house prices. Members have continually asked on the Order of Business for statements and the Minister said there is a significant concern about the affordability of housing having regard to trends in house prices.

The Minister's statement comes at an opportune time, especially after the release of a survey yesterday by the Irish Auctioneers' and Valuers' Institute which revealed that house prices have risen by 50 per cent in the past three years and will increase by about 12 per cent in 1998. According to the report, prices soared to an alltime high this year. The Dublin area outstripped the rest of the country with prices up by 20 per cent over 12 months. It appears that demand is fuelled by potential housebuyers being compelled to buy houses now, because they are worried about not owning their own house if they do not take action now. The report expects the average price of a new house in Dublin to reach the magical £100,000 figure by mid-1998. The average price of a second hand house in Dublin has already reached that mark. The accuracy of this report was brought home to me recently when a house needing repair in a local authority estate close to where I live was sold for £130,000. It was one of 250 houses built by Dublin Corporation in 1952 on land which was compulsorily purchased for £16,000. This shows how huge has been the escalation in house prices.

In the past year prices rose higher than anyone could have forecast, often confounding expectations. At public auctions houses have reached twice the asking price. The all-encompassing nature of the boom is underlined by the fact that it is not confined to Dublin — house prices have also risen in Cork, Galway and Limerick, with the price of second hand houses growing by 25 per cent between 1994 and 1996.

These figures point to a market thriving against the backdrop of an unprecedented mix of favourable ingredients, with GNP climbing by about 6 per cent per year, employment growing by 2 per cent yearly and markedly subdued inflation. The demand generated by these factors has been further fuelled by interest rates, which bottomed out at a historic level of 6.25 per cent earlier this year, and the unparalleled willingness of financial institutions to make house loans and house approvals generously available — some £300 million was available in 1996, an increase of 50 per cent over the 1994 figures.

Another factor which must be taken into account is the extremely favourably demographic trends. The age group from 24 to 39 is the crucial house buying age group and by virtue of the high birth rate in the early and mid-1970s, people of this age are flooding on to the residential property market. Traditionally a large share of this group has tended to leave Ireland; but now we have a young, well educated and relatively well paid population, supplemented by emigrants returning to Ireland.

A new study carried out by the Society of Chartered Surveyors indicates that the demand for housing in Dublin will outstrip available supply into the new millennium. This will increase pressure for fresh rezoning of land and will force the price of new homes in the suburbs further upwards. The survey indicates that the number of households in the Dublin region is likely to grow by 9 per cent over the next five years. Should this occur, it will place increasing pressure on housing supply in the greater Dublin area, will require the rezoning of significant new areas for housing to meet the growth in demand, and will lead to further upward pressure on house prices in Dublin. The effect of this growth in demand will also be felt in the counties surrounding Dublin — increases are already happening in Kildare, Meath and Wicklow. The acute shortage of zoned land in Dublin is inspiring developers to look beyond the city limits to towns such as Delgany, Arklow, Maynooth and Celbridge. One imaginative estate agent has advertised Tullamore as part of Dublin's new commuter belt.

With only 3,200 acres of land available for residential building, the stock will be exhausted by 2002 if the current pace of development is sustained. Prices in the capital are likely to come under increasing pressure if demand does not collapse. There is no sign of that happening.

One of the main factors generating the current level of house prices is undoubtedly the shortage of zoned and serviced land in Dublin. Many of my fellow councillors have been severely criticised for going against the advice of planners by rezoning land where services were not available. I believe they were right to zone land for housing and now there is a great responsibility on the Government to provide necessary finances to service the rezoned land. I believe it is not a shortage of land but rather a shortage of serviced land which is causing the escalation of house prices.

As the Minister said, the Government has initiated a fund to assist local authorities in increasing the supply of serviced land, but is it sufficient in size to meet the urgent need for such land? The construction industry has identified the lack of available suitable serviced land for development as a contributing factor to escalating house prices. There is a responsibility on the Government to meet the need by providing for more serviced land as a matter of urgency.

I pay tribute to one of our building societies which is considering a radical new approach to mortgage lending in an attempt to curb rising house prices which are putting new homes out of the reach of many first time buyers. The society has been investigating whether it should build apartment schemes as well as advancing "part mortgages" to suit buyers and help them afford bigger houses. The part mortgage scheme would allow people who otherwise would not be able to afford to buy their own house to get a foothold in the market. The institution usually buys the land and builds houses, often in partnership with a builder, and then advances a mortgage on 50 per cent of the house. At a future date there is an option to buy out the remainder, which is held by the building society. The scheme has been popular in Britain but unfortunately a key obstacle to this approach is the high price of land.

As well as providing financial assistance to local authorities to enable them to service housing land, there is a responsibility on the Government to encourage private investment to do likewise. Unfortunately, the restrictions on capital allowances for private investors announced in the recent budget have cast a cloud over the commercial property industry as it moves towards one of its best years since 1989. The restriction is expected to slow down private investment in commercially developed land and, more importantly, the measures will create great funding problems for commercial projects earmarked for the Dublin docklands, where 1,300 acres of redundant land are due to be redeveloped over the next 15 years.

As a member of the Dublin Docklands Council, I am conscious of the effect the new ceiling on capital allowances may have in deterring private investors in this particularly run-down area of the inner city. The docklands area will provide for over 10,500 new residential units and possibly far more, 20 per cent of which will be designated for social housing. It is clear the new social housing in the docklands will not be two to three storey houses with front and back gardens, such as in were built at City Quay. The new models on offer will most probably be of four to five storey apartment blocks, laid out around semi-private courtyards where children can play safely. In its submission to the Dublin Docklands Council in support of 20 per cent social housing, Dublin Corporation warned that water, drainage and sewerage services in the area are not adequate to cater for an extra 25,000 new residents and up to 40,000 additional jobs. It is imperative that the Government should encourage private investors into areas such as the Dublin Docklands and for that reason I am gravely disappointed that the Government has put a ceiling on capital allowances in the recent budget.

Dublin Corporation has had problems with social housing. It carried out an assessment of housing needs in 1996 which revealed there were 3,000 on the housing list, as well as 300 senior citizens, 143 homeless families, 500 homeless single persons and 58 travellers, and over 900 applicants in private rented accommodation seeking local authority accommodation. This came to a total of 5,000 applicants on the housing list. The corporation has revised a number of applicants on its housing list since 1 November 1997. This revealed that the number of applicants seeking accommodation had increased by in excess of 1,000 households. There were also 5,000 applicants on the transfer list. I have no doubt the increase in the numbers on the housing list has been fuelled by the phenomenal growth in house prices in recent times. A number of young people of modest means could have bought houses in Dublin over the last number of years but the huge increase in house prices has made them unable to do so. They must therefore apply to the local authority. Dublin Corporation has a dilemma because there is no building land available in the city for local authority housing. I encourage the Minister to give special preference to the dockland area, where 20 per cent of houses are allocated for social housing.

Another worrying factor is the increase in the number of houses being repossessed. More than one in ten people fell behind in mortgage payments last year and an average of three homes per week were repossessed by building societies, according to figures published recently by the voluntary housing agency Threshold. Its report, entitled As Safe as Houses, warned that more people would fall into arrears and have their homes repossessed as a result of the property boom. Huge increases in property prices now mean that the average house costs £35,000 more than a person on an average wage can normally borrow. This is a serious problem and I urge the Government to provide a mechanism whereby young people may easily purchase private houses or social housing is available to them. There is a responsibility on the Government to provide accommodation, especially for young couples.

Cuirim fáilte roimh an Aire Stáit. I welcome his comprehensive statement on an area of great importance. I have a simple political philosophy, which is that everybody is entitled to the opportunity to work and the opportunity to have shelter. It is noteworthy that the House has spent considerable time today talking about the Seagate closure and its impact on the workers, especially coming into the festive season.

Social housing has become an important element of providing accommodation. As the Minister of State said, the plan for social housing introduced in 1991 is now operated successfully across the country. It has made a good contribution to housing.

There is a high level of home ownership in Ireland relative to our EU partners and we should be proud of it. Concern has been expressed about escalating house prices. It is difficult to see how one can interfere with market forces to change that but we must address the matter. If we fail to do so it may lead to a grave situation in the future. We must be mindful of what happened in south-east England in the past few years when the property market overheated and led to considerable distress for the many who found themselves with negative equity. We should take steps now to avoid such a development here. However, it is not an easy matter to tackle.

Many years ago a system of certificates of reasonable value was operated by the Department. It was withdrawn because it gave rise to prices being increased in many instances. Builders found themselves in a position where the certificate of reasonable value certified valuations which were not attainable in the marketplace at that time. The circumstances in construction industry at that time were the converse of those at present. I wonder if there is merit in reconsidering that system.

The private sector has played a part, particularly through the section 27 and section 23 reliefs, in providing good quality private housing. I am not sure if Senator Doyle was correct with regard to the capital allowances and the Minister of State might clarify the matter. I understood that the change in capital allowances had more to do with the partnership schemes which are often introduced to get tax relief on a hotel or similar construction investment. I am not sure if it impacts directly on the market. There was criticism that last week's budget, which I consider to be balanced, favoured the better off. I do not think that is the case. People with incomes of £200,000 or £300,000 a year were able to hedge a lot of their income in capital allowances but that has been addressed by the budget in that it will be limited to £25,000. It is a reasonable step from a taxation perspective and it will not adversely impact on the provision of private housing.

The capital assistance schemes for voluntary housing are playing a useful role in rural areas. It is good to see that the level of non-repayable capital funding has been increased and ranges from £5,000 to £15,000. The Minister of State should be commended for extending the limits for the islands. It is important for the social fabric of the islands to try to maintain the populations there and we should have a bias in their favour. The island people need all the incentives they can get because they live in disadvantaged circumstances.

The special grants for community facilities which are an important feature of the social housing scheme are to be increased from £2,000 to £3,000 per unit. The grant is useful because it bonds the tenants of the schemes together, it gives them more of an identity with the area in which they live and creates more of a community atmosphere within the scheme. It seems successful and I am at a loss to know understand why it has not been extended to local authority housing estates.

In many local authority schemes there is a need to create a community feeling. In my locality I am concerned about the number of people seeking a transfer to another housing scheme because certain of their neighbours are causing a nuisance.

We have made attempts to devise legislative provisions to deal with antisocial behaviour as part of the fight against drugs and we should interpret such legislation more liberally than at present. If the law needs to be strengthened then it should be.

Local authority housing compares favourably with private developments; indeed, it is often of a higher standard. It is imperative that young people who are getting a good start in life in those houses are not deprived of enjoying the State's investment in providing them with a home because one or two people decide they will not conform with proper social behaviour. There should be a system whereby such people can be removed easily from the houses, as would happen in the private sector if a tenant causes a nuisance to other tenants. We need to apply the same philosophy to local authority tenants. There is an onus on local authorities to be more diligent and apply themselves to this problem with more vigour than at present.

With regard to the rental subsidy scheme for voluntary housing, I welcome the increase in the basic income limits from £9,000 to £10,000 and the provision that 25 per cent of applications may come from people with higher incomes. This should be promoted by the Department in social housing schemes. I have come across instances in which the promoters of some such schemes have tried to have everybody in the scheme within the income limits. These schemes must have a social balance. People with incomes in excess of these income limits should be part of them as they bring the necessary balance. Often the leadership of estate or community groups comes from such groups.

I welcome the decrease in rents from 20p to 18p in the pound. However, I suggest this be applied to net income, a change which would be compatible with the changes in the budget regarding family income supplement. Those in modestly paid jobs often find themselves disadvantaged vis-a -vis those on social welfare because the gross income is taken into account to decide on qualification. This anomaly should be addressed.

Cuirim fáilte roimh an Aire; bíonn fáilte roimhe i gconaí anseo. Tá fhios agam cé chomh mór is atá sé tugtha cheisteanna mar seo agus táim cinnte go ndéanfaidh sé jab iontach. Chuala mé árd mholadh don méid a bhí le rá aige ar an cheist seo ag chomhdháil i nGaillimh le déanaí. Dúirt daoine liom cé chomh tógtha is atá siad leis an Aire agus an tslí atá sé ag láimhseáil na ndreamanna atá ag obair san sector seo; go bhfuil sé sásta éisteacht leo agus ceisteanna a chur ar dhaoine; nach gceapann sé go bhfuil an t-eolas go léir aige ná ag na gluaiseachtaí deonacha atá ag láimhseáil leis an gceist seo. Is annamh a chuala mé a leithéad de mholadh faoi Aire agus is annamh a bhíonn a leithéad de mholadh á thabhairt agam. I could not help wondering whether this assistance to elderly people living on the islands will apply to Inishvickillaune.

I presume the assistance is means tested.

People might become indigent quite quickly if some of the suggested tax bills have to be paid.

The improvements which have been announced are welcome and — I do not mean to be begrudging — overdue. The spiralling cost of houses has affected the voluntary housing sector as much, and perhaps more, as other sectors. In many cases house price increases are spiralling because of excess of money chasing limited demand. The voluntary sector does not have such excess money and is therefore caught in the spiral without being a participant in it; neither does it have the capacity to progress in the market as house owners do.

For social housing to succeed it needs funding, facts and flexibility. Funding has to be available while policy has to be based on real needs and be sufficiently flexible when implemented to meet those needs. The capital side of social housing is extremely well funded. I am not aware of organisations which want to develop this area of housing being inhibited solely because of the absence of support funding from the State, a fine thing to be able to say. We have diverged spectacularly from our neighbouring island on this issue over the past 15 years. We have never abandoned our belief in the communal provision of a variety of housing types for those who need it. This is a considerable achievement which successive Governments have supported, although I have quibbles about the details.

There are a number of issues regarding the use of available funding to the optimum extent. If social housing through the voluntary sector and local authorities for the homeless, an area with which I am familiar, is to be provided, a range of responses are needed. It is necessary to know what is the problem. A long standing criticism of the voluntary sector concerns the inadequacy of the various attempts which have been made to assess the level of homelessness. I imagine there is a vast file in the Department with material from a range of voluntary organisations concerning this issue.

A survey of the Department of the Environment and Local Government reported that there were no homeless people in one midlands town while voluntary organisations in the same town reported to the Simon Community that there were between 30 and 40 homeless people there. We can argue about the margins of these figures and the definitions used, but the disparity in figures relating to a relatively small midlands town suggests an anomaly which needs to be addressed. Counting homeless people is not easy: it takes a considerable amount of imagination, expenditure and resources and it is necessary to expend such resources. This is an extreme example.

There are other areas where needs can be identified but responses must be flexible. The housing needs of single homeless people are different from those discharged from psychiatric hospitals into what is euphemistically described as community care. In some cases this latter type of housing works well but in other cases it does not work at all. There is a need for high support hostels for former patients of psychiatric hospitals. At present such accommodation does not seem to be provided, while existing hostels do not appear to work as they should. This type of support must be provided if the job is to be done properly.

The Minister described the internal migration of the elderly from independent housing in rural areas to nursing homes. There is a serious question about utilisation of resources which are encouraging the construction of nursing homes and the possibility of using similar resources to facilitate the elderly to remain in their own homes through providing the necessary support. It is a medical fact that the mental and general well being of elderly people who are moved from surroundings with which they are familiar deteriorate. The elderly live by habit to an extent to which we do not appreciate and the disorientation, however well intentioned, will almost inevitably lead to a deterioration in their general mental capacity to look after themselves.

We need to remember that an alarmingly high proportion of the homeless in Britain — approximately 30 per cent — are Irish, something Senator Mooney mentioned this morning. Another alarming statistic is that, of all the various nationalities who migrate to Britain, the only ethnic group whose health deteriorates is the Irish. All other groups tend to have higher life expectancies in Britain than in their native countries. I do not know why the Irish have the opposite experience. We deal with many of the consequences of this trend as people tend to migrate back home. As populations age here and in Britain we must examine the scale of future needs as emigrants who have no housing drift back here. Such emigrants have no homes, no means and perhaps limited incomes. We must consider how best to deal with this problem.

Absent from the capital funding programme is some redress for the considerable burden of maintenance costs which have to be met by voluntary organisations. This is an issue which is frequently measured and mentioned and needs to be addressed. People who own their homes know houses are not maintenance free. We need to consider the longer term. If such an enormous burden is placed on voluntary housing groups and they are to provide the care we accept is needed, they will not have the resources to do anything else. They have limited budgets and we must consider the needs which exist. It is a good idea to ensure that such housing stock remains in good condition.

I am glad the Minister of State mentioned in terms of local authority and social housing generally the need to involve those who live in areas in the plans. I am involved with a group in St. Michael's flats in Inchicore. In my adult life I have experienced a number of the more unpleasant sides of the housing problem. People live in appalling conditions in extremely good and high quality buildings.

They are new buildings.

Some apartments in terms of structure and space are extraordinarily good, but it must be extremely frightening to live in them. However, the extraordinary resilience of the tenants I have met there who want to do something about the problems amazes me most. There is always a need to find out who is involved and working in the community. It has been suggested to me that some of the schemes involving tenants are more token than real. A local authority official arrives in an area as the participation officer, assembles around himself or herself tenants who are prepared to be agreeable, calls this tenant self-government and then proceeds to do whatever the local authority wants done with the place. I do not want to be specific about the location, but Senator Quill may be familiar with similar complaints. We must ensure it involves real participation and not only another token gesture in terms of direction.

I am glad the Minister of State mentioned travellers. Their cause becomes fashionable and then less so, but their problems go on forever. It is the case that greater provision must be made for them. However, travellers in Cork made a point to me, which is probably true elsewhere, that trust between travellers and those who are supposedly making provision for them is also required. Travellers in Cork complained to me that the firms which provide security on halting sites also provide security at nightclubs in Cork. They provide information to the bouncers to enable them identify travellers as they attempt to enter nightclubs and tell them they cannot go in. Trust does not exist in such circumstances. This complaint has been made to me repeatedly. The people looking after their sites during the day are looking after nightclubs at night. They are nice to them during the day, but refuse them admission to clubs at night. This is not the way to build trust and I hope the message goes back that people need more than such treatment.

I am also glad that the Minister of State mentioned provision for refugees, although he did not comment on the matter. Perhaps that is because we are close to reaching a position where a little nasty wave of racism and xenophobia will take over. Unfortunately, the Government's response to the problem of refugees and asylum seekers and the decision to effectively abandon the Refugee Act are wrong. It will be seen as a capitulation to a nasty small, but vocal, xenophobic minority in society. The idea that refugees and asylum seekers are draining the resources of the State in terms of housing or welfare is a myth.

I wish to address in detail the issue of homelessness. If we are to deal with people who are homeless, there must be somewhere for them to go. Despite all the initiatives, there are not enough spaces in Dublin at present to meet the acute housing needs of people in emergency situations. That is a regrettable fact and it needs to be addressed. The problem is not necessarily money, but the need to make plans and address it. The Minister of State mentioned the planned response in Dublin, the Dublin homelessness initiative. Everybody accepts it is a good idea, although it took a long time for people to trust each other and begin to work together. Why is there only an initiative in Dublin? Homelessness is not exclusively a Dublin or urban problem. There ought be equivalent initiatives in every region. Many bodies need to learn the real meaning of flexibility. It means that if somebody is homeless at 10 p.m., he or she can be referred by somebody to a rudimentary shelter.

The Minister of State mentioned affordability. However, I am not persuaded that affordable housing and the possibility of it becoming available will be helped in any way by a halving of the rate of capital gains tax paid on the sale of speculative housing developments. People whose income tax has been already reduced will have more money to invest further in more speculative development housing. I do not understand how that will do anything. Others argue otherwise but I believe it will increase the amount of money available to buy houses, push up the price further and squeeze out more people. It is time to consider how housing costs are accounted for in the consumer price index.

I do not intend to be contentious but homelessness is a consequence of inequality in society. I very much regret that the Government's first budget has made inequality worse and will ultimately result in the frustration of the good intentions of the Minister of State and the Government. If inequality increases, homelessness increases and an increasingly greater need is created. A major part of the solution to the problem of homelessness is to reduce inequality. This cannot be done through the type of policy decisions announced in the budget last week.

I welcome the Minister of State and this debate. I was one of the Members who called for a discussion on housing. However, I specifically requested a debate on homelessness. I was prompted to do so by a horrible spectacle I witnessed one morning as I left my house for the railway station to take the train to Dublin. It was one of the frostiest and coldest mornings so far this year and I saw a huge number of people sleeping rough. It troubled my conscience so much, although not for the first time on this matter, that I called for a specific debate on homelessness. It is a particular problem which requires a specific set of initiatives. The Minister of State has already demonstrated a huge understanding of the problem of the provision of homes and a good attitude towards social housing. I hope the House will arrange another debate early in the next session to discuss the specific problems of the homeless.

I was encouraged when the Minister of State, Deputy Molloy, was given responsibility for the housing section of the Department of the Environment and Local Government. I am aware of his concern and detailed knowledge of housing needs. I was further encouraged by his speech in Galway to which Senator Brendan Ryan generously referred. I also received feedback on the speech. People who are concerned about the provision of housing in my area in Cork assured me that the Minister of State had a solid grasp of what needs to be done and was willing to meet and listen to the priorities set out by those who deal with people who are homeless or at the low end of the housing market. I heard good praise for the Minister of State.

Some of the speeches made about the recent budget concerned me. I was not surprised to hear trade unionists asking why percentages were not adjusted, because that is the job I expect them to do. That is what they are paid to do, and most of them are paid more than we are. However, it was wounding to hear people relate solutions to poverty by adjusting tax bands and giving people an extra few pounds. Poverty arises from different circumstances and must be approached differently. The poverty that leads to homelessness or families living in dire, sub standard housing will not be cured by giving people a little more in the budget, though that would have been appreciated. That poverty requires infinitely more targeted and specific sets of measures.

I commend voluntary workers who help the homeless and those in poor housing. I salute the Sisters of Mercy. They have abandoned the frugal comfort of their convents and have moved out to live in rented accommodation on housing estates, assisting poor people there. They help lone parents by teaching positive parenting skills, budgeting, homemaking and housekeeping. Those Sisters are an inspiration to those people, many of whom may have had very little education. I salute them and thank them for what they are doing. There must be people in Dublin doing voluntary work such as Focus Point, but I do not have a detailed knowledge of their activities. However, I salute all those who work in a structured and comprehensive way with those who have very poor housing or no housing.

I commend the Minister of State for securing a 14 per cent increase in the capital funding for social housing this year. I also salute him for securing an increase of 21 per cent for special housing for the elderly. That is a clear acknowledgement of the growing number of elderly people who have special housing needs. I also commend the Minister of State for his attitude towards the housing problem. Thankfully, we now have an enlightened attitude towards social housing. There was a time when a big housing estate shot up, the builder moved out, tenants were allocated and that was that. That thinking has ended and not before time. We now know that the provision of a good house means the provision of a good home and good neighbourhood. It means the provision of a good community that can support families and children. We must do more than simply shove up housing estates. We must create conditions where children can grow up in houses with proper heating and lighting. We must create an environment where they will receive an education, where they will see breadwinners going out to work and where they will get the protection young people need in their formative years.

There is great potential in the estate management schemes now being introduced. These schemes must be well planned, and those which have worked are those where tenants are hand picked and have had perhaps six months of meetings and education. That builds their selfconfidence, as some of these tenants are early school leavers. A good investment is made in the tenants, and then those tenants are able to take over the management of the estate. This system began in parts of England with a great flourish, but it has withered because there has not been enough planning and investment. We can learn from that experience. It is important that we invest in estate management so that the building of communities can, in so far as is possible, be taken out of the hands of council and corporation housing officials. They should facilitate and not dictate.

I am pleased that rents have been lowered. That has a direct input in smaller families. The Conference of Religious in Ireland did not mention that, but it is important in helping to tackle poverty, especially in large families. The practice of building houses away from the city centre is a bad one. The initial outlay is often very expensive, and wherever possible we must encourage local authorities to use infill housing. That is where the services and tradition of a neighbourhood resides. This is particularly true in our cities. The Cork City Architect, Mr. Neil Hegarty, has been outstanding in identifying areas suitable for infill housing and then putting good quality houses in those areas.

I have seen the opposite in the Kerry village where I was born and raised. Kerry County Council's planning there has been very bad. They will not be surprised to hear me say that because I have told them so many times. In the last 15 years, a local authority housing scheme has been built on the east side of the village. There is now a new scheme on the west side of the village, which is dying between them. There are 11 fine slate-roof houses, built in the 1920s and 1930s, unoccupied on one side of the street. A number of widows also live in the village, many of whom are over 70 years and some of whom are over 80. In ten years the village will be dead. The houses there will be vacant, and there will be two new housing estates on either side of the village. If that planning is not driven by builders, I do not know what is. It is not driven by proper planners. I cited my village as an example but this is happening around the country. There has been a good deal of urban renewal but we need village renewal. Local authorities should buy vacant houses and renovate and let them.

The Minister of State recently made an allocation to a little housing estate in Cork city called Madden's Buildings. There are three sets of buildings in Cork city, known as Madden's Buildings, Roche's Buildings and Horgan's Buildings, which were built before the foundation of the State. Madden's Buildings were opened in 1886, the year Parnell was elected as an MP for Cork, and were showpieces at that time. The tenants were strictly vetted before they were given occupancy. Although we tend to mock them at times, we could learn from the Victorian era. Only tenants of good character who could be relied upon to protect their property and provide a good sense of neighbourhood were allowed in. That ethic and culture has lasted to this day. Although the physical fabric of the houses did not keep pace with modern times, people queue up for those houses because of the quality of the neighbourhood.

I commend the Minister for making one-third of a million pounds available within the past two weeks to enable Cork Corporation refurbish ten houses, which is the second last phase of the refurbishment programme for those buildings. When that work is completed only ten houses will remain to be refurbished. I am sure the Minister of State will put his hand in the Department's pocket again as soon as possible to get the money required for the remaining houses.

I told that story to illustrate the principle that fine houses have been allowed fall into dereliction, mainly because the housing programmes are often driven by builders. From here on, as we face the new century, our housing programmes must be driven by a different set of priorities. I am very confident about the future of housing when it is in the hands of the Minister of State, Deputy Molloy. The House should unite to provide time for a debate on homelessness as soon as possible because that is the most acute part of the housing problem.

I hope Senator Quill has not given Senator Dan Kiely ideas.

I welcome the Minister of State, Deputy Molloy, and congratulate him on his portfolio. I have worked with him over the years, particularly when I was chairman of the General Council of County Councils, and I have always found him to be co-operative. He always put his hand on his heart when it came to developing the infrastructure of this country.

I was amused by Senator Quill's remark about housing development in Kerry. Perhaps she was just referring to the specific area from which she came. My information is that there will be massive investment in infrastructure in that area in the very near future. Somebody is trying to bring the DART from Dublin to Kerry. I am expecting enormous developments in that part of the country. I agree with her about the development of towns and villages but there have been vast improvements over the past few years in how local authorities deal with derelict sites.

The quality of our local authority houses is far superior to those in many other countries. People should be very honoured to receive those houses. In many countries people are housed in large blocks of flats. Foreigners are amazed when we tell them we provide these houses on a social basis for our people. Every Government since the foundation of the State should be commended for looking after its people in that way.

In the past, local authorities built large numbers of houses in vast estates. I am glad the Minister is now insisting on local authorities providing houses in small, well designed schemes. I was always a promoter of that approach, not only because it encourages tenants to keep their estates in a proper fashion but because tenants who buy their houses and wish to move on in life should be able to sell their house for a reasonable price.

I am very interested in maintaining rural life. The only way to do that is to continue our housing programme in rural villages, rather than trying to move people into larger towns which have the necessary infrastructure and facilities. The required infrastructure should be put in place in villages to keep rural life alive. Fr. Bohan and others are trying to assist people to return to rural life but we have an opportunity to keep people in rural areas by building small housing schemes to cater for their needs.

I cannot understand why there has been such a huge increase in the price of houses when inflation and interest rates have never been so low. There must be something wrong somewhere. The Minister of State must examine why there has been such an enormous increase in the cost of housing. Landowners or building contractors must be getting fat. Local authorities always kept the price of their housing at a reasonable level and that must continue. The only person who can stop the escalating price of houses is the Minister of State by controlling the price of local authority housing.

Senator Quill referred to houses being built on the east and west sides of a village. However, plots of land do not become available very often in rural areas and when the words "county council" or "local authority" are mentioned the price increases enormously. I welcome the 14 per cent increase the Minister of State has given to the housing programme this year, which has gone from £152 million in 1993 to £372 million in the coming year. That is important in terms of maintaining and increasing our housing stock.

I am delighted a taskforce has been put in place for special housing for the aid of the elderly. I am glad the Government is committed to alleviating the housing problems of elderly people living alone and has given £750,000 to the health boards. The local authorities did not have the necessary resources or mechanisms to carry out small repairs, such as replacing windows and doors, or to install showers. In such circumstances the local authorities did not have the resources or suitable mechanisms available. The health boards have removed much of the red tape in these cases. They will now provide a grant to the local community almost immediately.

I am sorry that the Minister reported a decline in the take up by the voluntary housing groups regarding the provision and management of social housing. He has expressed the hope that it will increase next year. Not enough voluntary organisations are aware that a 90 per cent grant is available from the Government for this type of housing.

There were no grants available for social housing when I first became involved in social housing in my own village 20 years ago. With the aid of FÁS schemes and voluntary labour I built four social houses for people living in unacceptable conditions. They were housed in a village with nearby shops and where people could keep an eye on them. The message is not being sent loudly enough to the social groups.

I am also concerned about the homeless, many of whom emigrated 25, 30 or 40 years ago and are now returning home. I welcome them. The Kerry Emigrant's Support Group has found many people who were missing for years and living rough in England. We brought them back to this country and housed them. That is what social life is about and we must not move away from it.

I welcome the increased grants to the islands.

There are many islands off the coasts of Counties Galway, Mayo and Kerry. It is a pity such grants were not available when Peig Sayers was alive. I am sure the Blaskets would not be as derelict as they are today.

The Minister of State must look at shared ownership where many problems are arising, especially with regard to unmarried persons, including unmarried mothers, and those who wish to build homes on sites provided by their parents. There appear to be legal problems which should be addressed immediately.

I also welcome the five year programme for travellers which the Minister of State has introduced. This issue must be addressed. Travellers must respect the facilities and maintain the sites which are provided for them. Like other citizens they must abide by the law and respect the property of others. They cannot be allowed to destroy an area and then move away.

I compliment the Minister of State on this exciting programme. I look forward to it being implemented and developed. He must keep an eye on it and endeavour to control the price of houses and housing stock.

Cuirim fáilte roimh an Aire Stáit. I join with the other Senators who have remarked on Deputy Molloy's elevation to ministerial status. As a former Minister for Local Government in the early 1970s he is not new to the issue of housing. He has brought his own experience to bear on his proposals. I welcome the commitment to social housing in the programme for Government.

The statement by the Minister of State is comprehensive. Some £453 million of capital and current expenditure is provided for all housing services. Capital funding for the full range of social housing services, including local authority houses, has increased to £372 million. The local authority housing construction programme received £214 million and £20 million for work on the monstrosity at Ballymun. I commend the Minister of State on that last allocation. At the time it was seen as the answer to a problem, but the remedy was far worse than the problem.

The Minister has made a commitment to provide additional funding for housing on the islands, which are of abiding interest to me. That is very important. He has also provided for the additional cost factors involved, which is to be welcomed.

I agree with Senator Dan Kiely's remarks on rural housing. As a countryman living in a town it is important to state that not everybody can live in towns and villages. As a member of my local authority for 18 to 19 years I am pleased to say it has recognised this. While we may not be Fr. Bohan in County Westmeath, we have adopted some of his principles. The ability of local authorities to purchase houses which are already constructed in different parts of their administrative areas is a welcome development. Without that they face the difficulties of acquiring serviced sites.

It is important to note the recognition given by the Minister of State to the voluntary housing agencies. As a public representative I record my appreciation of Focus, St. Vincent de Paul and the voluntary housing organisations. In the early days of my membership of Westmeath County Council I organised a 14 house co-operative. It is important that this continues because it contributes in a major way to the reduction of housing lists. It also gives people the feeling that they are providing their own home. Those involved in housing co-operatives know that there must be a commitment and ongoing proof of ability to save.

My local authority area has difficulty dealing with disruptive tenants. I have found that, more often than not, rather than seek a transfer because of overcrowding applications are made to move away from disruptive neighbouring tenants. That is a scandal and it is unacceptable. The Minister of State should liaise with the Minister for Justice, Equality and Law Reform and the Garda Síochána.

I am delighted that the Minister of State has made a commitment to the travelling community. I have been a member of Westmeath County Council since 1979 and it has a proud tradition of catering for the housing needs of the travelling community. Local authority houses should be given to those who need them most not to people who would buy and sell us all. I will relate to the House one experience I had some years ago when I and others found it difficult to get a house for a member of the travelling community in Mullingar. The first evening he came to my house it was raining heavily and he was so wet I offered to drive him back to his accommodation. He said no because he was already wet. However, the real reason was that he had a £40,000 vehicle parked on the road beside his local authority house. Imagine the fool I and my other colleagues felt who had worked so hard to get him a house. We must eliminate that practice from our society.

I agree with Senator Quill that we should have a debate on homelessness. We should differentiate between the people who are homeless because they do not have the resources to provide their own accommodation and those who are homeless by choice. Many people who are not members of the travelling community, but are transient traders, park on the side of the road.

Senator Dan Kiely and others referred to housing prices. Successive Governments have improved the measures to assist people purchasing their own houses. Although grants to new house owners have been improved over the years, there has been a corresponding rise in house prices.

Senator Brendan Ryan mentioned poverty. We should differentiate between poverty and the inability of people to manage resources, which has a knock-on effect on housing. That is why many tenants fall into arrears and why we see so many notices to quit on council agendas. I want to express my appreciation for the Presentation Sisters and the Sisters of Mercy — Sr. Finbar Breslin and Sr. Kathleen Maguire in Mullingar are two examples — who explain to people the concept of resource management.

I also want to express my appreciation for residents associations which have a pivotal role to play in estate management. Parental control in housing estates is of the utmost importance. It is grossly unfair, particularly at Halloween, for teenagers to annoy other residents. I know I was young once but there is a code of practice which should be adhered to in housing estates. There are a number of such tenants in local authority houses and something must be done about them.

The Minister has come a long way since he and I served on the Association of Municipal Authorities of Ireland some years ago. I welcome the resources for the elderly. However, the essential repairs grant is restrictive; it is almost not worth applying for. I ask the Minister to examine that and to relax the criteria for applicants. Perhaps he will also consider increasing the meagre sum provided for such repairs.

I thank Senators for their valuable contributions to this debate on the Government's social housing policy. I want to express my appreciation for the broad welcome for the measures introduced by the Government and the approach we are taking. I am pleased I have the support of my colleagues in Government for the increased funding which is required to ensure that the objectives I have outlined will be achieved.

Many valuable suggestions were made during this debate which will be taken into account. I will be happy to act on as many of them as possible. I agree with Senator Glynn's comments about the essential repairs grants. I will review the operation of that scheme. The disabled persons grant also needs to be reconsidered. These are two excellent schemes. The essential repairs grant is not available in all circumstances and is of little use in urban areas where similar problems exist.

I appreciate Senator Brendan Ryan's generous words which were expressed in Irish. From the first day he came into the Seanad, he has fought a long campaign to get the Houses of the Oireachtas to focus on homelessness. He deserves great credit for achieving that. I am glad he is back in the Seanad after being absent for some years. I hope I will be able to fulfil the expectations he and his colleagues in the voluntary housing organisations have expressed in this regard.

I am surprised that the State has relied for so long on voluntary organisations to look after those at the lower end of the social housing scale. The State has not lived up to its full responsibilities in this area. It is helpful and beneficial that many good people in our society have organised voluntary housing organisations to tackle the difficult problems at one end of the housing spectrum. The religious orders, which Senator Glynn mentioned, and many other people have dedicated their lives to providing better facilities for the homeless and their families. They deserve great credit for their work. The State must support them and become more involved in housing policy.

The positive message I want to reiterate is that this Government is committed to a well resourced, high quality social housing programme. I have outlined what we have done in the first six months. I hope we will be able to continue that level of support and make major inroads into helping to solve the problem. Bearing in mind the wide range of housing assistance schemes in existence, there should not be any need for involuntary homelessness. However, that is not facing reality.

Many unfortunate people fall through the housing safety net for whatever reason. Rent subsidies are available from health boards to assist people pay for accommodation. This costs millions of pounds but it is money well spent. However, there are still people who are unable to avail of schemes which would help them avoid becoming homeless. In some cases people sleep on the streets out of choice even though schemes exist to provide them with comfortable overnight accommodation. This is part of the difficulty. Voluntary organisations and statutory authorities play a huge role in tackling this problem and I am grateful to the housing officers and those who work in housing departments in health boards for their dedicated work.

Senator Walsh raised the possibility of controlling new house prices through the certificate of reasonable value system. I was the Minister who introduced this certificate in 1971. It was an attempt to control a similar situation where house and land prices were rising and affordable housing was no longer a choice for many people. One cannot control house prices by dealing with only one aspect. New houses are not the only houses for sale on the market — a greater number of second-hand houses are sold. These houses are determining prices and there is an interrelationship between new and second-hand houses. If operated successfully, a certificate of reasonable value scheme might eliminate excessive charges by builders. One would have to buy new houses at a lower price and then go into the second-hand market to make a profit. It is a complex question.

Many factors influence house prices and this is why I appointed consultants to look at this problem. Supply and demand is the ultimate factor. However, we need to find out what is clogging up the supply and what is creating the demand where people seem willing to commit so much of their income to paying for houses. The market is testing people's willingness to pay these sums and this is feeding into higher prices. A substantial increase is expected in the number of new families in the next three to five years. These people will expect to buy a house but they are gasping at the thought of paying so much for a mortgage. As Minister I have a responsibility to ensure that the matter is looked at carefully and that we take whatever steps possible to influence the situation.

One possible step is to increase the money available for water and sewerage schemes to try to accelerate the flow of serviced land into the market. If we can increase the flow of land we might take some of the heat out of the demand. Prices will rise if there are more bidders than there is land available. We are not just waiting for the consultants' report at the end of March. People may feel that this report will gather dust like so many other reports, but we are taking action in the intervening period.

The deregulation of financial markets and increased competition among lending agencies have greatly benefited borrowers. However, this is a complex question and we are not going to come to a simple solution today. Some Senators mentioned the necessity for high quality planning, the effect of housing on the end of villages and the need to seek sites for in-fill development. There was also support for the concept of moving away from large housing schemes towards smaller schemes where there would be a better social mix. This would avoid some of the problems of the past. We will continue to make a major contribution in this respect.

I hope to introduce a Bill after Christmas which will place responsibilities on local authorities to draw up five year programmes for the provision of suitable accommodation for travellers. In the event of members not fulfilling this statutory obligation, the duty will fall on the managers to proceed with the preparation and submission of plans to the Department for funding. The Government is committed to implementing the report of the task force on travellers and is allocating substantial sums of money for this purpose - £6.5 million in 1996, £9 million in 1997 and we have provided £11 million in next year's Estimates for the provision of accommodation for the travelling community. This money cannot be spent unless local authorities produce proposals and forward them to the housing section of the Department for approval. I hope they will respond to their new responsibilities and that a major national effort will be made to provide housing for travellers within five years. That is the intention of the Bill and I am committed to achieving it. It was prepared by the outgoing Government and supported by the present Government so I hope it will have an easy passage and that it will facilitate a serious attempt to draw up development plans for housing the travelling community. A substantial level of funding will be made available over the five year period.

Many Senators called for a separate debate on homelessness. I recognise that homelessness is part of the social housing issue and I would welcome the opportunity to debate it at a later stage if the House so wishes. Tackling homelessness is one of my priorities. Some people are unable to avail of the emergency accommodation which is provided. We want to see a society in which people are happily established in comfortable homes, enjoy privacy, where their families can visit, where they can rear children and where single people feel that they are wanted and can participate in their communities. A broad mixture of housing, from communal accommodation to single dwellings with one or two bedrooms, to ordinary housing schemes, is required. We must keep the community aspect of housing in mind at all times.

That leads me to comment on a problem with which I have become familiar, namely, disruptive tenants causing major difficulties for peace loving families living in housing estates. Unfortunately, this has become an issue which must be tackled. It will not be easily tackled and the resources of many of the statutory bodies, working in tandem, will be required. It is outrageous that vulnerable people living in housing estates in some cases feel they cannot enjoy the peace and contentment of their homes because of a small minority of individuals who are permitted to act in a disruptive fashion. These people break windows, bang on doors and shout at elderly people. This action is disruptive and unpleasant and leads to people wanting to move away from the neighbourhoods in which they live. This is a new phenomenon and there is no point in stating that it does not exist. I do not know why it has crept into our society but it is of concern to everyone. The fact that it was mentioned during the debate confirms my view that it must be given a higher priority than heretofore.

In many cases, single people or unmarried mothers living alone feel terrified because they do not know when their front door will be burst in by a group of blackguards. The growth of such harassment is frightening and we must ensure that the relevant agencies give close consideration to how we might deal with the problem.

I recognise that social housing needs and circumstances are constantly changing. In the coming years I will be working on the continued development of the policy and on the delivery of various programmes. Where necessary or appropriate, I will be glad to change existing programmes or introduce new ones. I am open to suggestions from Members of either House in that regard.

In the delivery of the various social housing programmes, I particularly rely on the local authorities which are developing their enhanced role as social housing facilitators, in addition to being direct providers of social housing in their areas. As already stated, I also rely heavily on the voluntary bodies and I am glad to be able to have their help and assistance. I appeal to all elected representatives in both Houses and in our local authorities to ensure that the full potential of the social housing measures is achieved. If there is any way we can help to disseminate further information in respect of the facilities available to ensure that they are used to the fullest extent, we will do so.

Members may not be aware that we have set aside a number of local authority housing starts for rural resettlement organisations. My Department is assisting the Jim Connolly organisation in that way. A large number of rural dwellings are funded through the local authority starts. I am fully conscious of the need to ensure that rural Ireland is supported in the housing programme by facilitating as many people as possible in their wish to continue to live in towns, villages and rural hinterlands.

I thank Members for their contributions to this important debate. I look forward to the challenge ahead and I hope that, together, we will be able to work toward major advances in this area. I look forward to discussing these issues with the House at a later date.

Acting Chairman

I thank the Minister of State and those Senators who participated in this constructive debate.

When is it proposed to sit again?

Tomorrow at 10.30 a.m.

The Seanad adjourned at 6.55 p.m. until 10.30 a.m. on Friday, 12 December 1997.

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