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Tuesday, 19 Jul 2011

Vol. 209 No. 10

Adjournment Matters

Community Development

Cuirim fáilte roimh an Aire. I welcome the Minister of State, Deputy Kathleen Lynch, back to the House. The wording of the matter is self-explanatory. It arises from a briefing Foróige made to Members of the Oireachtas in the past week in which it highlighted the important work of the Big Brothers Big Sisters of Ireland project. Of more fundamental concern is that funding for the project, which has been mainly based on philanthropic sources in recent years, is ending in the current year. As a result Foróige has a major problem in continuing the project.

The Minister of State will be aware of the project. The Big Brothers Big Sisters project is essentially a mentoring project which is aimed largely but not exclusively at siblings in dysfunctional families or where there are difficult social or environmental conditions. It is a simple concept where an older mentor takes on the role of mentoring a younger person. It has been established in excess of 30 countries across the world. It began in this country in the 1990s in the former Western Health Board area in Galway. It was then extended as a pilot scheme to a number of western and midland counties and has since been rolled out nationally.

Listening to some of the case histories that were explained to Members of the Oireachtas last week, I was very much taken by the project. I could see where it would have positive benefits for those, for example, suffering from lack of self-esteem, those subjected to bullying, be it in the home or elsewhere, or those subject to neglect. Some of the case histories that were outlined to us were very heart warming and they were producing results.

I appreciate that in the current economic climate facing the Government it will be extremely difficult if not impossible to cater for all of the various financial demands on it. However, as has been said in the Chamber since she assumed her post, the Minister of State has a great deal of empathy with many of the causes and cases of social and economic disadvantage. This matter fits into that category.

The wording of the matter is self-explanatory. Essentially, it is to highlight the wonderful job Foróige is doing through the Big Brothers Big Sisters of Ireland project and to see what is the attitude and position of the Government in terms of supporting it financially. I am keen to establish what the thinking is within the Department of Children and Youth Affairs on the issue, what its proposals are or how it intends to be supportive in other ways if not financially.

I am replying to this Adjournment matter on behalf of my colleague, the Minister for Children and Youth Affairs, Deputy Frances Fitzgerald. I thank the Senator for raising the matter.

I have been advised that the vision of the Big Brothers Big Sisters, BBBS, programme is to help children around the world realise their potential, create a better future for themselves, their countries and the global community. BBBS was developed in the United States as a mentoring programme that matches an adult volunteer to a young person, typically ten to 18 years old. It consists of two types of programmes — a community-based programme and a school-based programme. The community-based programme matches an adult volunteer with a young person in need of support and friendship. The basic idea is that a friendship will form between the young person and adult volunteer that will promote the positive development of the young person and will act as an early intervention mechanism, helping prevent future difficulties and supporting the young person in dealing with adversity in their lives. The programme involves the young person and adult volunteer meeting once a week for a minimum of one year, under supervision.

The school-based programme aims to ease the transition of primary school students to secondary school by facilitating friendships between first year secondary school students and older students in their schools. The programme is aimed at young participants that may be at risk of cultural or economic disadvantage. They may also have poor social skills, early signs of anti-social behaviour or underachievement in school. The Department of Children and Youth Affairs recognises that many such innovative programmes have an important role in improving outcomes for children and young people.

Foróige is to be congratulated on its initiative in respect of BBBS. In line with the BBBS programme, I have been advised that Foróige is employing a rigorous approach to initial assessment, ongoing supervision and support for young people and adults involved in the matches, in addition to a detailed evaluation of the programme itself. The research-focused approach is in keeping with that of the Department of Children and Youth Affairs, which seeks to evaluate in a rigorous and robust fashion new and innovative ways of working with children and young people. The aim of such research is to seek to answer the deceptively simple questions of "What works?" and "Why does this work?" Ultimately, I see programme evaluations of this type becoming the norm and being utilised to promote a process of continuous improvement in service delivery. Such an approach will also be of significant benefit in the development of new policy.

The learning emerging from all such research will help inform policy and service development and delivery into the future. I understand that the research findings from the Foróige initiative with BBBS indicate that the programme leads to improved emotional well-being; improved social support and relationships; improved decision-making to combat risk behaviour; and an improvement in young people's attitude to education.

Foróige's commitment to proven models of intervention, in line with international best practice, is an approach I warmly welcome. The Department of Children and Youth Affairs has not funded the Big Brothers Big Sisters of Ireland programme. The House will be aware that the 2011 budget allocation for the youth affairs unit of that Department is €60.154 million on current expenditure and €800,000 on capital expenditure. This funding supports the delivery of a range of youth work programmes and services for all young people, including those from disadvantaged communities through grant-in-aid. Foróige is currently in receipt of €6.037 million from the youth affairs unit of the Department for projects run under a number of schemes, including the youth service grants scheme, the special projects for youth scheme, four youth information centres and a number of projects under the young people's facilities and services fund, rounds 1 and 2.

As Senator Mooney correctly pointed out, having regard to the current fiscal environment, the reductions in public expenditure that must be achieved by Departments and State agencies and the limited funding available and in light of further budgetary constraints in 2012, it is highly unlikely that it will be possible to consider any new applications for funding in 2012. I sincerely regret that. I know well the programme to which he refers. It is an exceptionally worthy one.

I would be grateful if the Minister of State would convey to the line Minister my thanks for the detail into which her Department has gone on the matter. I also thank the Minister of State for her personal commitment to it. It is rather sad but it is due to the economic circumstances in which we find ourselves. I note that a sum of over €6 million is being provided for projects under the youth affairs unit of the Department. Am I right to assume that these projects are all ring-fenced, in the sense that the money is given to Foróige and it then spends it on whatever it considers to be its priorities? I presume there is detailed negotiation with the organisation, as would occur with any organisation, and the money is then specified for a particular area of expenditure.

In light of the review of expenditure under way, perhaps it might be possible when deciding on the 2012 budget allocations to find a way of moving around some of the money that has already been allocated, in consultation with Foróige, although I am not speaking for Foróige and I might even be speaking out of line. That might help to address the obvious forthcoming shortfall in the Big Brothers Big Sisters of Ireland programme. It is a little like Mom and apple pie in that everybody is in favour of the programme because it is so good. I hope the Minister of State will convey those sentiments to the Minister.

I will do that. The system as it is currently structured, with the grant having to be directed to a particular unit, is not productive. We will have to examine how to give funding to people and allow them to decide their priorities, provided——

A little flexibility.

Yes. However, that is on condition that when they return to the Department, they can justify the funding. That type of flexibility is essential.

Child Welfare and Protection

I welcome the Minister back to the House. She is here so often she is gaining many frequent visitor points, unlike some of her colleagues.

I was taken aback to discover that this country does not have a missing children's hotline. I welcome the fact that 13 European countries have already adopted the 116000 number which has been allocated as a hotline for missing children throughout Europe. The purpose of having a pan-European hotline is to give and extract as much information as possible within the Community. It will be an enormous resource to the police, in the first instance, and families with missing children for gathering information and will, in time, become an instantly recognisable number, just as 999 and 911 are.

It is most regrettable that if one dials 116000 in this country, one only hears the tone which indicates that the number is out of service. We have spoken extensively in this House about what has happened to children in terms of abuse in residential settings, children in care and so forth. It is only right that redress is made properly and openly and that proper compensation is put in place.

However, we must look to the future. The establishment of a full Cabinet Minister for Children and Youth Affairs is most welcome. The commitment that the children's referendum will take place in 2012 is also most welcome, as is the fact that we will use the material that was so successfully put together by the inter-party committee of the last Oireachtas. This issue is not, and should not be, about party politics. The Government should strive to ensure that the wording is agreed by as many parties as possible within the House.

What I am proposing is very necessary. The cost will not be prohibitive. My colleague, Senator Crown, suggested that a golf classic organised by the Oireachtas Golf Society be used to collect some money. Given that neither he nor I plays golf perhaps we are being a little cheeky making that suggestion but this hotline is necessary. I hope the response from the Minister is positive. We have a responsibility in this regard. A total of 13 EU member states have already engaged in this process and gone live with the 116000 number. A "No" is not good enough; it also is not good enough to kick the matter to touch. It must be done as a matter of absolute urgency.

I am replying on behalf of my colleague, the Minister for Children and Youth Affairs, Deputy Frances Fitzgerald, and I appreciate the Senator's interest in this area.

I am glad to have the opportunity to address the House on the matter of the 116 000 hotline for missing children. The establishment of this hotline is a cross-departmental issue and the Minister intends to ensure that every effort is made to have this hotline up and running as soon as possible. Under revised EU telecommunications rules agreed in 2009, and in particular Article 27a of the universal service directive, member states were required to "make every effort to ensure that citizens have access to a service operating a hotline to report cases of missing children. The hotline shall be available on the number 116 000". The same directive also requires member states to "ensure that citizens are adequately informed of the existence and use of services provided under the 116 numbering range, in particular through initiatives specifically targeting persons travelling between Member States".

The Department of Communications, Energy and Natural Resources is responsible for transposing this directive into national law. In essence, the purpose of the 116000 telephone number is to provide a contact number to families if children go missing. The allocation of specific numbers in the 116 number range in Ireland is managed by the Commission for Communications Regulation, ComReg. Currently ComReg has designated the following numbers: 116111 is assigned to Childline; 116006 is assigned to the crime victims helpline; 116000 was assigned to missing children; 116117 is assigned to non-emergency medical on-call services; and 116123 is assigned to emotional support helplines and after a pilot period will be operated by Samaritans.

To date, 18 member states have assigned the 116000 number, 15 of which are functional and operational. The Department of Children and Youth Affairs has in recent months met other Departments regarding the establishment of the hotline. The process to date has involved the Department of Children and Youth Affairs, the Department of Health, the Department of Communications, Energy and Natural Resources, the Department of Justice and Equality, the HSE and ComReg. To progress this matter, it is intended to co-ordinate the activities of these Departments and ensure that the 116000 hotline is established.

The Minister has recently met NGOs which are eager to assist in the establishment of the hotline and she is grateful for the work they have already put into this process. The Minister will examine the proposals made in this regard with a view to moving this matter forward as quickly as possible. The Garda and HSE take every incident of missing children extremely seriously and are committed to ensuring that any vulnerable children are not exploited or ill-treated as part of their responsibility to provide care for any children in the State who are deemed not to have appropriate or satisfactory care arrangements. This includes separated children seeking asylum.

The input of the Garda is central to the issue of missing children and the Garda has ultimate responsibility for the investigation of these matters. The Garda and the HSE have worked closely on this matter in recent years. The HSE, as the major statutory child care authority in Ireland, recognises the value of an EU common freefone hotline for missing children. Access to a hotline telephone number can be of great assistance to parents when a child goes missing from home or while travelling or on holiday in another European country.

The HSE operates a joint "Missing in Care" protocol with An Garda Síochána which sets out an agreed procedure between the Health Service Executive and the Garda, and clarifies the roles and requirements of both agencies in relation to all children missing from their care placements, as set out in the Child Care Act 1991. A missing child from care is one whose whereabouts are unknown and the circumstances of their disappearance are such that the Health Service Executive, or its agents, risk assess the absence as high risk.

While the introduction of a missing children's hotline involves many Departments, the notification of a missing child is particularly a matter for the Garda Síochána. Accordingly, the Minister is in contact with the Minister for Justice and Equality, Deputy Alan Shatter, in seeking to jointly achieve the establishment of this service. Different costings for such a service have been calculated, including by NGOs interested in providing the service. Obviously, in the current financial climate, it is essential that the most economic approach possible is taken to providing any service. The Minister would hope a partnership approach could achieve a cost-effective solution to the implementation of this important initiative.

Given my responsibility in the area of suicide, I wrote to the three mobile phone providers because up to this point, the Samaritans line was funded, in the main, by Eircom as it is a land line service. The Minister for Communications, Energy and Natural Resources, Deputy Pat Rabbitte, and I wrote to the three mobile phone providers to ask if they would consider providing the same type of service which Eircom delivered in recent years and they came back with a positive response. If the three mobile phone providers come on board, the 116000 number becomes far more viable.

Most emergency calls, not only 999 calls but also calls from people who are feeling suicidal and calls in regard to missing children, are made from mobile phones. It is important to get the mobile phone providers on board in order that we can roll this out efficiency. It will do what the Minister for Children and Youth Affairs, Deputy Frances Fitzgerald, hopes it will do, that is, it will give us a unique service from all the mobile phone providers for a minimal cost. I appreciate very much for what the Senator is calling.

I thank the Minister of State, who might thank the Minister for Children, Deputy Frances Fitzgerald, for a most comprehensive response. I am glad the Minister of State corrected me. My figure was 13 but 18 member states have complied with this which probably makes the scenario here even worse.

I agree with the Minister of State's comments that the mobile phone providers will play an integral part. I am sure they operate in the other 18 countries. Even if people are out of credit or their SIM cards disappear, it is essential the 116000 number can be accessed. I am disappointed that we have not been given a date. The idea behind setting up a Ministry for children and creating a full Cabinet position was that all Departments would be pulled together and that the Minister would ensure things happened quickly.

We have been very compliant Europeans in areas that are not as critical and I hope the Government will be an exceptionally compliant European in bringing in the 116000 number. I will raise this matter again in a number of months but I hope we will see action. If the will is there, this could be done in a couple of months. I hope this emergency service will be in place in 2012.

I commend the Minister of State and the Minister for Communications, Energy and Natural Resources, Deputy Rabbitte, for their initiative in regard to the mobile phone providers and Samaritans. A close friend of mine does much voluntary work for Samaritans. Its work is well recognised but much of the time, the work of the volunteers is not given the proper recognition. They are the real heroes in our society. I commend the Minister of State for what she has done. Her work as Minister of State so far has been outstanding.

I thank the Senator. Having watched it at close quarters, trying to a create a new Department is a feat in itself. Dragging things from other Departments is quite difficult. I reassure the Senator that I, the Minister for Communications, Energy and Natural Resources, Deputy Pat Rabbitte, and, I am sure, the Minister for Children and Youth Affairs, Deputy Frances Fitzgerald, will meet the three mobile phone providers in the near future.

Electricity Transmission Network

I welcome the Minister of State, Deputy O'Dowd. The ESB has played a significant role in the State's development since its foundation. The Ardnacrusha dam was one of the most significant moments in the early development of this State. The ESB is a sizeable company, which employs thousands of people. It is also a profitable company and contributes to the Exchequer. The ESB operates independently and successfully and provides an essential service.

The Fianna Fáil and the Green Party 2007 White Paper on Energy advised on the need to unbundle the ESB's transmission and distribution assets — in other words, to break up the ESB as we know it. In 2009, the then Minister for Communications, Energy and Natural Resources, Eamon Ryan, appointed Fergus Cahill, the former chief executive of the Irish National Petroleum Corporation, to chair a review of the implications of splitting up the company. Frontier Economics was selected to complete the report. The Cahill-Frontier Economics report was presented to the current Minister for Communications, Energy and Natural Resources, Deputy Pat Rabbitte, earlier this year.

The report makes a strong economic argument against the Government's intention to unbundle the ESB's transmission and distribution assets, a move that could cost the State a whopping €1.6 billion. The programme for Government commits to transferring the ESB transmission assets to Eirgrid or Smart Grid. The Government's current legislative programme includes the Electricity Transmission Assets Bill 2011, which allows for the unbundling of the transmission system and to establish Eirgrid in primary legislation.

There is also the matter of the EU electricity directive, which will also result in unbundling unless the Government seeks and obtains a derogation. The Cahill-Frontier Economics report sets out ways and mechanisms in which this could be achieved. It is worth noting that the deadline for seeking a derogation is the autumn of this year; therefore, there is a time imperative in that regard.

The McCarthy report on the sale of State assets recommended the break up of the ESB. I suppose that is the genesis of this and of the previous Government's commitment to unbundle and break up the company. It would seem that is the intention of this Government as well as the transfer of the transmission grid, including the high voltage system in the North of Ireland to Eirgrid.

The McCarthy report, published by the previous Government, calls for the break up of the ESB. The report more or less supported what the previous Government called for and what the new Government seems to be supporting. However, the Cahill-Frontier Economics report calls for something contrary to both the Government's stated intention in terms of policy and the programme for Government. Therefore, we must pose the question as to why a report, which is supportive of what the previous and the current Governments called for in terms of the future of the ESB, is published but a report which calls for something that is at variance to what the Government proposes is not published? That is a very real worry for the trade unions and those who want to see the ESB remain as a single entity, a company which has done so well for Ireland and which is so profitable.

We believe the Cahill-Frontier report must be published immediately. Week after week, Sinn Féin has called for this. Deputy Mary Lou McDonald has called ad nauseam in the Dáil for the report to be published. It has been sitting on the Minister’s desk for a number of months. The Taoiseach, in response to a question from Deputy Gerry Adams, recently confirmed that the report has not even been brought to Cabinet. I find this incredible. The programme for Government has been published and the Minister has stated that he has not yet made a decision as to what the Government will do or even with regard to commitments made by the previous Government. We still await publication of an independent report commissioned by the Government. The report should be published.

I ask the Minister of State, Deputy Fergus O'Dowd, to bring this matter to the attention of the Minister for Communications, Energy and Natural Resources, Deputy Rabbitte, and impress on him the strong view of my party that the report should be published.

The report by Cahill-Frontier Economics was undertaken under a process overseen by Mr. Fergus Cahill as independent chairperson. The report contains an assessment of costs, benefits and regulatory impact of the options for unbundling the electricity transmission assets set in the context of EU third package and the all-island single electricity market. Frontier was asked to examine all the options available to ensure Ireland's compliance with the EU third energy package, comparing each of the other scenarios allowed for under the directive.

The three primary options under the directive are the full ownership unbundling, independent system operator and independent transmission operator. The directive also contains a provision which allows that where a member state considers that there were arrangements in place on 3 September 2009 which guarantee a more effective independence of the transmission system operator than the ITO regime, and the member state permits this option, then the asset owner, in this case the ESB, is required to make the case to retain the system. This provision requires the asset owner to apply for an exemption under Article 9(9) of the directive and for the national energy regulator, CER, and the Commission to certify and approve the arrangements.

The Frontier process involved input from the direct stakeholders and other stakeholders. The direct stakeholders were the management and the unions of ESB and EirGrid and the ESB employee share ownership trust. The direct stakeholders were provided with a copy of the draft conclusions of the Frontier report and the opportunity to comment on those conclusions.

Both EirGrid and ESB have vital roles to play in delivering our national electricity infrastructure. The unbundling of the transmission assets involves the resolution of complex technical, financial and operational issues as well as the possible development of legislation. Both companies were given a copy of the final report on a confidential, redacted basis and have submitted observations on it. The Minister will be bringing proposals to Government shortly with a recommendation on the next steps with regard to the electricity transmission assets.

The Frontier report contains significant and detailed commercially sensitive information. The report will be published shortly but will redact the commercially sensitive information which it contains. Publication will take place after the conclusion of Government consideration of the transmission assets issue.

With regard to the future of ESB, there are no proposals at present to sell the ESB or any of the State's energy assets. I note that ESB's status as a vertically integrated utility would remain unaltered irrespective of any future arrangements decided upon in relation to the transmission assets, having regard to the programme for Government statement in the matter. Any energy utility which owns distribution networks and power generation and supply is a vertically integrated utility under EU law.

The report of the review group on State assets and liabilities has been submitted to the Government and published. The Government has stated that the recommendations of that report will be considered and that consultations will take place with the stakeholders. Proposals are also being developed for the Government's consideration on the formal establishment of the NewERA, overseen by the Cabinet sub-committee on economic infrastructure.

I do not accept the Minister of State's response. There are no proposals to sell the ESB but there are proposals to break it up. Once the company is unbundled and its distribution assets transferred to EirGrid, its power base will be, effectively, taken away.

We must be conscious of the negative effect of the threat of unbundling on the future of the company. The ESB has been self-financing since its inception and has been the source of billions of euro for the Exchequer. The ESB has a very ambitious plan to invest in Ireland by improving its distribution mechanism. The company was able to borrow money on the bond markets to invest in the country and create jobs. This project is under threat. This corporate plan meant the company could borrow money, which the State cannot do. It is ahead of the State in this regard because it is a profitable company. The ESB has an ambitious plan and wants to invest in the economy. That will be put at risk if the unbundling goes ahead.

The Minister of State has said the report will be published shortly. We have been given the same answer for a long time. Like the previous Government, he hides behind the facade of sensitive information. Every report contains a level of sensitive information. This is a smokescreen. The Minister of State should publish the report. If it contains sensitive information, that can be dealt with very quickly. We call on the Government to publish the report immediately.

I welcome the Minister of State's promise to publish the report shortly. However, we are not convinced by this promise. He has given no timeframe for when this might happen.

I thank the Senator for his views. This is a matter of concern to everybody. In line with the EU directive, the report lays out three options and examines each fully. Every country in Europe, with the exception of Ireland, Scotland, Latvia and Greece, has unbundled its transmission assets. There are different views, but the programme for Government is also clear on the matter.

As soon as the Minister is in a position to publish the report that will be done. This will be when the Government has considered the outcome of the report. I expect it to be very soon.

The Seanad adjourned at 7.50 p.m. until 10.30 a.m. on Wednesday, 20 July 2011.
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